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June 8, 2011

Hulk Hogan versus The Ultimate Warrior in a courtroom?

Hulk Hogan told TMZ that he plans to file a lawsuit against The Ultimate Warrior in response to a scathing online video posted by Warrior in which he accuses Hogan of drug use and having an open marriage with first wife Linda, among other things.

In the seven-minute clip – which is a preview of Warrior’s 55-minute shoot video on Hogan that is scheduled to be released on June 17 – Warrior says that Hogan is a cocaine user and a “dopehead.”

Warrior also claims that when Hogan was married to Linda, “The Hulkster” was agreeable to her having sex with other wrestlers, and that Hogan offered her up to Warrior, who turned him down.

In an interview with TMZ, Hogan denied the allegations of drug use as well as Warrior’s claims about Linda.

Warrior refers to Hogan as a “malicious, backstabbing operator” and a “liar, fraud and phony” in the video. He also criticizes Hogan for saying in an interview that the late Randy Savage was paranoid about his first wife Elizabeth, and Warrior blames Hogan and Linda for contributing to the breakup of Savage and Elizabeth’s marriage.

Here’s my take:

Except for the claim that the Hogans had an open marriage (which, true or not, really isn’t anyone’s business), nothing Warrior said about Hogan hasn’t been said before by others in the wrestling business, including the allegation of cocaine use. That doesn’t necessarily mean any of it is true, but Warrior isn’t exactly breaking new ground here.

As for Hogan being a “backstabber” and a “phony,” well, I don’t think that’s exactly a revelation to anyone who has followed Hogan’s career closely over the years.

The bottom line, however, is that anything that comes out of Warrior’s mouth has to be taken with a grain of salt because of all the outrageous things he has said over the years. Even if everything he said about Hogan turns out to be true, Warrior is the wrong messenger to deliver that message.

This is clearly a feud with no babyface, as both of these guys have serious issues.

Posted by Kevin Eck at 10:37 PM | | Comments (37)
        

Comments

wait, how does Hogan have serious issues? All he did is threaten to sue him.

RESPONSE FROM KE: You're kidding, right?

It's actually sad to see this occur as any wwf fan of the 80's had these two at the top of their favorites list. Even if any of the allegations are true, it is beneath both men to bring stuff like this up all these years later.

Ugh, who cares about either of these creeps or their dirty laundry. a 55-minute "shoot" of Warrior discussing Hogan makes being waterboarded in Guantanamo sound appealing.

How depressing the whole ugly back-and-forth is. Just add Bischoff, a 3-minute Knockouts match & Tommy Dreamer going over Matt Morgan and voila, "Impact Wrestling."

I think the lesser of two evils is really obvious here. As terrible of a person Hogan is, he still has his supporters and friends in the wrestling business. People that he has helped in the past and who has remained loyal to him, like Jimmy Hart or Brutus Beefcake. But the Warrior? As far as I know, nobody in the wrestling industry today even remotely likes him. He burnt all his bridges a long time ago.

Man, apparently if you don't live the conservative (adjective, not political ideology) definition of a sexual relationship within marriage, you're a villain in 2011 America.

Saying a star of the 80s used cocaine is sort of like revealing that someone smokes marijuana now. It was a different culture. Who cares? More damaging is what he and Bischoff are doing to TNA now.

Warrior also screwed me out of $150. for his workout kit that he never sent after many promises and delays. I wish Hogan could add that to the lawsuit. Warrior ripped me off.

I just can't help thinking anything involving Hogan is a work.

Other than saying - insert eyeball roll here - I'd say that both guys are probably taking history lessons from Sarah Palin.

Isn't this just simply setting the groundwork for the return of the One Warrior Nation and a PPV Main Event between Hogan and Warrior?

Is Warrior's real name Jose Canseco?

Hogan said in his last book that he used cocaine in the 80's.

I find this entertaining...and it is completely logical following what is publicly known about both of these shady individuals.
Usually a lawsuit like this comes about when one party has said something libelous and untrue about another, but as Mr. Eck pointed out, many wrestlers have made these allegations before and have NOT been sued. This seems to be a battle of the two most insanely overinflated egos of the late 80's and early 90's---and not coincidentally--two men who played characters completely fabricated by Vince McMahon who could never make those characters work on their own despite repeated efforts--(Warrior actually IS Warrior now--the weird b@#tard had his name changed--and not just to get the name from Vince--he actually has abysmally selling books and materials outlining how you or I could become a "Warrior"--filled with ravings not unlike the indecipherable promos he used to give...he seems to take his unglued prophet status semi-seriously)
Those thinking that Hogan is a victim in being accused of being a backstabbing egomaniac--please reference the famous chokeslam he refused to sell for Undertaker--(Youtube is a great resource for wrestling embarrassments)--as just ONE, small example of when his problems have bled through to the screen---or just witness the current state of TNA and the decade old dust of WCW.
What is interesting is that he has never attempted to sue the Honky Tonk Man---who is one of the most vicious shooters in the business. Seriously--those unfamiliar with Honky's frankly hilarious rants about other people in the wrestling business should check them out. Honky has ripped Hogan worse than this in the past, as have countless other industry insiders and wrestlers that know that he's a dirtbag.
Hellwig at least has the excuse that he's a bit unbalanced, to say the least--I would assume that this is why Hogan targeted him. He has a good chance of winning against a deranged half-wit.

Can you imagine what the court document will look like??? Terry "Hulk Hogan" Boella vs Warrior Warrior. Wow.
Warrior forgot one thing in his tirade. Ruining wrestling companies to the point where they are unwatchable and fold. So how many years does TNA have left?

When Warrior first spoke out about his conservative views a few years ago, I actually admired him. Here was a former wrestler that found something to do with his life outside of wrestling that actually had some relevance to current affairs. It turned out to be a bunch of bull and now he's no better than Hogan.

If this is a heel vs. heel feud, than I compare it to Martel vs. Michaels at Summerslam 92, mainly because it's a dumb feud over a dumb issue that no one gives a s--- about.

True or not, it's in real poor taste, especially with Randy Savage's recent passing.

Some people have put forth the theory that this is an angle to lead to a match in TNA.

And honestly, that would not surprise me in the least.

I completely agree that anything Warrior says has to be treated with a ton of salt. Even the open marriage thing if that were true why wouldn't all the guys who supposedly "had" Hogan's wife in the business come out and say something. Warrior comes across as miserable and bitter. For all the bad things that have been said about Hogan a lot of bad has been said as well about Warrior and all the same. He sounds jealous to be quite honest because his career was a flash in the pan not an all time great like Hogan.

As for HBK being a “backstabber” and a “phony,” well, I don’t think that’s exactly a revelation to anyone who has followed HBK’s career closely over the years.....Wait, I meant Hogan. I get the two confused. Only if Hogan would find Jesus like Shawn did, then maybe he would get some love from this blog.....Just sayin

I believe that Hogan himself talked about the cocaine use in his autobiography a couple years ago.

Warrior is only using this as an opportunity for self-promotion, but I can't say I don't like the way he speaks and the intensity he brings. I'd like to see him back in the ring.

Watch his tribute to Macho Man on Youtube. He speaks a lot of truth, even though his motives are questionable.

kevin i like the way you put it you were impartial, yet you did say that most people already know hogan is a backstabber. it is obvious to me throughout the years that he is a manipulator. as for the guy who thinks it's all n angle for tna! you forget linda 's name was dragged through the mud in that interview don't you think she would sue hogan if she thought it was an angle?

Wow! I guy puts you over in front of 68,000 plus, handing you the WWF tourch on a silver platter, MAKING your career, and this is how you repay him? C'mon Man!!

@ Anonymous
Actually, if for some odd reason you're interested--Warrior has managed somehow to maintain contacts and presumed friends in the business---he has appeared several times on RVD's stoned-out webshow, "RVDTV". This makes the cocaine allegations even more amusing as in this conversation I'll list the link for here, it seems that Warrior is as high as RVD and the other "guests".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqtO7-N1GoQ
Actually, it appears from what I've seen that you can't even appear on RVDTV unless you're as high as Rob. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I'll have to admit that checking out clips from Van Dam's bong-induced reality show is a good way to kill ten minutes when you're supposed to be working---find the one where he comes home and some high school kid has driven her car into his house---I'm reminded of the Dude somehow.
I think the real point of interest with this isn't a potential angle or work--because I think that's a real long stretch---but that fact that Hogan and his cronies have cried wolf so many times that he'll have people doubting his own funeral. Not exactly a very legitimate or honorable legacy. If Hellwig the Mad would have just stuck to saying that Hogan's a backstabbing egomaniac idiot, I think we could have all just agreed and moved on.

@Dumbsmark:
Dont forget about when Hogan came to WCW, and no sold Vader's vicious powerbomb. To this day, I am very surprised that he sold for Brock Lesnar.

Honky Tonk Man, Iron Shiek, New Jack video on youtube is awesome if you want to hear three drunk guys complain about Vince and Hogan.

@ Peter
Ahhh, memories---that was an interesting one also. Although Shawn Michaels got Hogan back for what he'd done to others when he ridiculously oversold all of Hogan's moves--can't remember when or where that was, but I remember laughing. Summerslam or some such a few years ago.
Not that Michaels is a great guy either. Since this article lends itself to discussing shoots---everyone from Honky to the Road Warriors has discussed McMahon and Shawn and their "unique" relationship--which is nobody's business as long as it's limited to (b)romance--but which a lot of people forget is linked strongly back to lawsuits brought against McMahon back in the late 80's and early 90's that those who did not curry "favor" were held back in the company--(read favor as male sexual activity). That's some messed up stuff there. Anyway, thanks for the reminder about Vader.--The only thing surprising about Hogan anymore is why many people have treated him like a hero for so long. The man did nothing for me as a fan in his prime, and has done more visible damage in places like TNA than almost anyone I've ever seen. Let's not be biased though--Warrior is a grade A fruitcake. Load the spaceship with fuel...

Just remember these guys are
entertainers and actors they made
movies. I have see Hogan he was
great and I also seen warrior not so
much
have a nice day

First off:

Just like a real p1ss-ant to bring up HBK (buzz) all because the guy who runs the blog likes, if not loves, him. Hell when did it become a bad thing to be a fan of his (Hbk) anyhow? (and yet many other fans of other wrestlers will fight you to the death if yo were to call them out for beign d*ck riders though, smh) As if he's the only one with a past, pleeeasssee.

Dumbsmark, it's interesting you brought that up about "favors" being done, hell do any of YOU think that hbk may have been the "only" one? Oh then you're just really haters at this point if you believe so, so that was why the road warriors , HTM, and of course is ex-villain, Hart, were completely out of line for that one, given how they (and many others) may have been subjected to the "same thing" during their tenure. Then again, they don't care given that they are all retired and won't have to deal with Vince, HHH, etc. anymore, though they still have a secrecy code they ALL have follow by. (well why else don't you think none have really spilled about exactly how they each stayed at the top, talent you think, eh? yeah whatever, out of fear perhaps)

As far as this sad story(line?), I think Warrior may be telling the truth, especially about Hogan possibly lying about reconciling with Savage. I mean only Hogan can say so, now that the other person is no longer here. TNA bound of not, this has to be the most desparate way to create controversy, then again, nothing is off limits right fellas, Eric, Russo, whomever else is behind this mess.

Some other guy said something about no one coming foward about Linda before, well many of them, I heard, have wives that do the same thing, and it's more of a "I won't tell if you won't " type of deal. Besides, she probably won't acknowledge this out of embarrassment, unless there is a suit invloved. Hell just ask DDP and the "deal" btw. him (involving his ex, allegedly) but of course he won't tell, (out of embarrassment and respect) and also, unfortunately, Savage as well....

Then again, I might have called out Russo, the "wrong" Vince scheming on this...

@sharia...etc.
No disrespect was meant to Mr. Eck in mentioning HBK---I just find the McMahon/Michaels dynamic to be another amusing thing in wrestling---that had a context in past conversations I've had with Peter--who was the commenter I was specifically responding to. I doubt that Mr. Eck would take it that way either as I don't share a particularly contentious relationship with either he or any of the regular commenters that I engage in discussions with. I sometimes partake in heated discussions in which we all, (including Mr. Eck), defend our sometimes very different P.O.V.s---but I find them for the most part to be civil and beneficial as far as providing multiple perspectives. I don't feel there is any bad blood between any of the commenters here that really matters or amounts to much.
I fail to understand your implying my being a "pi$$-ant", and if your claim, as your comment seems to indicate, is that I somehow posited that Michaels, McMahon, Hogan, Warrior or any others that have been mentioned are the ONLY wrestlers with sometimes extravagant problems, emotional and legal issues or strange behaviors--I would like you to please give me a specific example, quoting my comments above---which illustrates and logically proves that I did so. That's logically---I can recommend you several texts on the proper method if you are unfamiliar with it.
In fact, I believe most wrestlers to to be somewhat unbalanced--it takes a certain sort to succeed--and finding the rants of Honky Tonk Man or the Road Warriors to be amusing does not mean that one sets these individuals on a pedestal either. I think most rational people would not assume that it would. I don't believe Honky Tonk Man especially to be devoid of his own problems--I just happen to think that he's hilarious when he rants--and I think there are kernels of truth to some of the things he says. Even Charlie Manson can't be wrong all of the time--and only a fool fails to recognize something true or funny just because it is said by someone that one might not otherwise agree with.
In the future---please refrain from being uncivil or pointlessly argumentative with other commenters. If you want to argue with a point that you can logically and with evidence or thought-out opinion back up--I'd love to hear it, and I'm sure others would as well. That would be productive. Trying to bait someone into an argument based on vehemence and nothing else is pointless for all involved and doesn't benefit you either. Take care.

Err, why would Hogan offer his wife to somebody else? I know he's stupid but... it doesn't make sense. Is there something I'm missing here?

@ e4
This string of comments is by far the most interesting in quite awhile.
To answer your question, it's called "swinging". There are people who find sexual gratification in the sharing or swapping of spouses. It has been around since time immemorial---(a quick historical note--Mary Shelley, the author of "Frankenstein", and her husband Percy Bysse Shelley were swingers, along with comtemporaries like Lord Byron---that's what else was going on at the lodge where they were all telling ghost stories--Mrs. Shelley's tale becoming the basis for her famous book----dinner and a movie early 1800's style--where movies are stories and dinner includes swapping and sharing spouses).
I agree with Mr. Eck on that one--it is really none of anybody's business and it is petty of Warrior to mention it among perhaps more legitimate concerns.
However, you don't need to be stupid to swing, (although Hogan is anyway), you just need to be kinky, and there are millions of people across the country who are today. There are legal clubs where such folks meet, print magazines with personals, Craig's List sections, and a whole sub-culture attached to it. It's America, in a way. Everybody has a right to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting others. Anyway, it might not make more sense to you, but at least you'll see what you're "missing here", (although I think most of us will be content in our lives to go on missing it).

Cheers dumbsmark, I appreciate the answer. I can't believe I didn't think of swinging... I was so desperate to think of some 'ulterior motive' he may have had that I missed the blatantly obvious...

Mr. dumbsmark, in my "civil" tone, :
Can you READ? I was talking to another commenter, hell if anything I agreed with you, now thanks for the 3rd degree lecture though (though it would have made sense if you would have known exactly what you were talking about and to, and I wasn't the right person for you to dress down anyhow), it was, I'll say "refreshing" though it was from someone who is called dumbsmark lmao! Sigh....

Another thing, like I said before I backed my reasoning for why I said what I said up so anyone who can see and read should know that. Besides, last time I checked Kevin was the head moderator (although we can moderate ourselves in our own way) given that while I disliked what Buzz said, I didn't tell him what to say, so I suggest you do the same (saying in the same patronzing manner you later used) and concentrate on checking yourself. Peace.

@ sharia1
So you don't have to scroll up, here is the text of your comment...

"Just like a real p1ss-ant to bring up HBK (buzz) all because the guy who runs the blog likes, if not loves, him. Hell when did it become a bad thing to be a fan of his (Hbk) anyhow? (and yet many other fans of other wrestlers will fight you to the death if yo were to call them out for beign d*ck riders though, smh) As if he's the only one with a past, pleeeasssee.

Dumbsmark, it's interesting you brought that up about "favors" being done, hell do any of YOU think that hbk may have been the "only" one? Oh then you're just really haters at this point if you believe so, so that was why the road warriors , HTM, and of course is ex-villain, Hart, were completely out of line for that one, given how they (and many others) may have been subjected to the "same thing" during their tenure. Then again, they don't care given that they are all retired and won't have to deal with Vince, HHH, etc. anymore, though they still have a secrecy code they ALL have follow by. (well why else don't you think none have really spilled about exactly how they each stayed at the top, talent you think, eh? yeah whatever, out of fear perhaps)"

You directed this at buzz and myself, and I responded for my own defense. You insulted both of us, and now that I called you out for it in an intelligent and thoughtful manner, you seem to be trying to deny your own words. I invite any of the commenters to examine the text above and decide for themselves whether or not you were insulting buzz and myself or not, and they can refer also to my initial response to you, which I felt resolved the matter. I tried to answer civilly yet sternly to a comment which was abrasive, accusatory and infantile in a way in which I could address your "concerns" without being insulting back. Now I will say straight out that you are infantile, accusatory and abrasive. If your righteous anger is coming from your saying embarrassing things, I would suggest that you refrain from starting a feud with me, and stop saying embarassing things. Take care.

@sharia1

Also, and this may be my most important point, considering the thought haunted my sleep like the demons of which Mary Shelley so exquisitely writes, I enjoy sharing the extra space in my pants with small animals. I merely inform you and all of this furry predilection because I hate to close a conversation with hatred and vague references to certain lifestyles without full, personal divulgence. Take care.

Your take......no one cares, report the facts and shut up.

RESPONSE FROM KE: Sorry, brother, but what I do here is comment on the news, not just report it. It's a back and forth discussion between me and the readers. If you don't care what I think, that's fine. My feelings won't be hurt if you choose to find your wrestling news elsewhere. Have a nice day!

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