Ring Posts Xtra: Episode 15
Axl Rotten and I discuss Edge's retirement and WWE eliminating the word "wrestling" from the name of the company. Rotten also comments on the disturbing Scott Hall video from the perspective of someone who has had his own well-documented battles with substance abuse. In addition, an uninvited guest returns to the show after a long absence.







Comments
You guys work great together. Enjoy your brand of 'entertainment'.Is Axl out of the business for good?
RESPONSE FROM KE: Thanks. Axl is still working regularly on the indy circuit.
Posted by: mr. eli | April 18, 2011 8:17 AM
I don't know what is better: the fact that this was a good episode of Ring Posts Xtra of the fact that my ring tone is CM Punk's entance theme, too :D
Keep it up!
Posted by: Tassadar | April 18, 2011 10:20 AM
Axl Rotten RULES!
Posted by: Dan | April 18, 2011 11:21 AM
i love to hear axl talk i wish he come to nc and be in a show in nc
Posted by: margaree | April 18, 2011 4:24 PM
Great to see Axl in a David Allan Coe shirt...I think the argument about eliminating the WORD wrestling is moot. You and Axl are right. Shakespeare covered this 400 years ago...
I do think it IS an issue however that McMahon is able to, and does, shove whatever he wants down people's throats. The fact that it works on a majority of people does not exclude the fact that it's crap. The mob does not have a good track record of supporting anything that has long-term stability. In fact, the mob will simply follow the wishes of what a dictator tells them they want--in the fashion that Axl described. That's what the word dictator means, basically. He dictates.
However---long-term ideas and innovation do not come from the mob nor do they come from being alone atop the heap. That's why we decided that democracy was better. (and why there are laws about fair competition and monopolies--one guy or entity calling the shots has proven over centuries to be a bad idea----and the biggest success Vince ever achieved was when he had to struggle to keep at the top-it's been downhill since he "won")
Conceptually, McMahon has been moving away from wrestling for awhile, at least in the purer form that it still maintains in the Indie scene, and to some extent in TNA---(they ARE getting better-mostly because they need to compete)---and the danger is that he controls the largest share of the market and in a way, mainstream perception of the whole shebang.
With nobody to answer to but himself, since he has no threatening competition to suggest other alternatives to his captive audience...there is a problem for the future of wrestling.
Witness the XFL--witness the atrocious WWE-produced movies. Witness Linda's Senate disaster.-(for those that don't understand politics--she was a laughing stock among insiders, and she was destroyed like a red-headed member of the Working Families Party).
Vince is not very good at understanding anything other than wrestling. This makes his obvious embarrassment at being associated with the word rather ironic.
Vince will find once again that in the wider world of entertainment, he will have a more difficult time getting what he says to go--because he will have competition with those who do it better. I don't think Christopher Nolan or the Coen Brothers are sweating "Knucklehead". Hell, I don't think the FARRELLY brothers are sweating "Knucklehead".
Vince will start using the word wrestling again as soon as TNA or another competitor forces him to respect the thing that brought him to where he is. He was vaunting his move into other "entertainment" over ten years ago in "Beyond the Mat"--to date it is still wrestling's most successful foray into critical mainstream acceptance--probably because it was about wrestling. Duh.
Posted by: DumbSmark | April 18, 2011 8:03 PM
The fact that it works on a majority of people does not exclude the fact that it's crap. Posted by DumbSmark
One man's garbage is another's...etc.
In fact, the mob will simply follow the wishes of what a dictator tells them they want...
Interesting analogy - especially during Holy Week.
Posted by: Marko50 | April 19, 2011 5:42 PM
@ Marko50
One man's garbage IS another's gold...but the freedom of choice to pick through the heap one's self is pretty much the basis of our democracy, (...okay, in theory anyway--although we could draw some additional analogies between the last couple of decades of American politics, the rise of the multi-national corporation and Vince's run on pro wrestling)...
Didn't think about Holy Week, but if you are interested in the field of sociology and history as it concerns the mob, manipulation of the mob and the dictators who do it to the detriment of our institutions and long-term sustainability, try Hannah Arendt's "The Origins of Totalitarianism"--(she was a refugee from the Holocaust and a philosopher that examined the sociological patterns in Europe throughout the 1700's, 1800's and early 1900's that led to what culminated in Germany, Russia and Italy).
Also check out Roland Barthes' "Mythologies", that traces the shift in human belief systems and modes of perception that occurred in the twentieth century, which was very much the century of the mob and of the dictators that learned to manipulate them by convincing them of what they need and want instead of encouraging independent thought and providing alternatives of choice based upon it.
Sartre and Voltaire are also some fascinating reading on the subject, as well as two of history's most well-regarded philosophers and thinkers...Also Plato's "Republic" is not only a foundation for the most efficient way to avoid mob rule and lack of choice, but not as dry as people think it is, if they bother to pick it up. Everything comes back to the Allegory of the Cave eventually.
RESPONSE FROM KE: Yeah, what he said.
Posted by: DumbSmark | April 20, 2011 7:10 PM
Bit off topic, but a future question for Axl. Was he in the pilot episode of "Homicide: Life on the Street."?
RESPONSE FROM KE: I know the answer to that. Yes, he had a cameo in that show.
Posted by: GMan | April 20, 2011 10:03 PM
Okay, so that was complex---Sorry...although I do encourage everyone to pick up the tools of critical understanding in whatever they're talking about---it ain't just wrestling anymore than it ain't just anything else---it's the society and entertainment that we all share together and it's all connected in one way or another...
Simply---one man's garbage is another man's gold, but when we aren't allowed to pick through the heap ourselves because Vince owns ninety percent of it and only allows what he deems fit to shine---we're losing something. Hence my argument about the absolute need for viable competition to form wrestling's future---not solely McMahon's picks from the heap mindlessly adhered to by those he works very hard to keep under his sway.
Changing the word doesn't matter, what matters is that Vince has the power to change the thing itself, and he HAS been. That doesn't bode well no matter what his motives. Over two thousand years of philosophy and history point out that no one person should have that power, because it is impossible to not abuse it.
How's that?
Posted by: DumbSmark | April 21, 2011 1:31 PM
random thought, wwe website still sell a daniel bryan tshirt that says " Submission Wrestling" on the back of it, his page also refers to him "wrestling" on the indy screen for 10 years.
Posted by: Henry | April 25, 2011 12:23 AM