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July 23, 2010

TNA Impact: It’s not an ECW invasion, it’s another reunion

It was explained during the final segment of Thursday night’s episode of TNA Impact that the crew of former ECW stars banded together in TNA to make love, not war.

Tommy Dreamer cut a teary-eyed promo (does he cut any other kind?) talking about the similarities between the original ECW and TNA and how he quit his job with WWE (although he never mentioned the company by name) because he couldn’t stand what it did to the ECW brand.

He concluded by begging TNA president Dixie Carter for “one night to show the world what we had and then our legacy can live forever.” She agreed to it.

To sum it all up, we’re getting TNA’s version of One Night Stand, the ECW-themed pay-per-view that WWE did in 2005 and 2006. TNA announced on its website that it has changed the name of its Aug. 8 pay-per-view from Hard Justice to Hardcore Justice. In addition to the former ECW talent that’s already in TNA, more ECW originals are going to be brought in for the show.

I’m glad that TNA is doing a one-off ECW reunion show rather than a long-term ECW invasion story line (at least that’s how it appears at this point). I just don’t think the latter would work in 2010. Plus, it’s no secret that TNA’s pay-per-view numbers are abysmal, so a nostalgia show will almost certainly do a significantly better-than-usual buy rate for the company.

Other thoughts on Thursday’s show:

Look, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a man who cries, and I’ve been known to be an emotional guy myself, but Dreamer’s constant whimpering during his promos has become a turn-off. I also think that the legend of ECW has made the company seem better than it really was. There’s no denying that ECW was innovative and edgy during its heyday, but I never fully drank the Kool-Aid. …

Beer Money and The Motor City Machine Guns had another good match, although it wasn’t at the level of their match on last week’s show or the one at the Victory Road pay-per-view. This week it was a street fight, and Beer Money once again stole the victory to go up 2-0 in the best-of-five series. Look for the Guns to win the next two. …

The ref bumps with the Hebners in the Beer Money-MCMG matches are starting to get old. …
Jeff Hardy and Samoa Joe had a good match that ended in a 10-minute draw. I just wish they would have done a time-limit draw with Hardy and Jay Lethal last week instead of killing Lethal’s momentum with a clean loss. …

Matt Morgan suffered yet another quick, clean pinfall loss, this time to Mr. Anderson. After the match, Morgan attacked Anderson and busted him open with the microphone. So it appears that Morgan’s gimmick is that he’s a sore loser. Just mind-boggling. …

The angle with the current and former members of The Beautiful People is hard to follow. We have two heels (Madison Rayne and Velvet Sky) feuding, another heel (Lacey Von Erich) who has been acting sort of like a babyface and is torn between her two heel partners, and a babyface (Angelina Love) who is a natural heel. Oh, and there’s also a mystery woman on a motorcycle. …

After Kevin Nash cut a cryptic promo, Jeff Jarrett said, “I have no idea what you’re talking about.” That made two of us. It’s challenging enough trying to get people to care about an angle involving Nash and Jarrett, but when that angle is incomprehensible, it really has no chance. …

How many more times are Jarrett’s three daughters going to be referenced in promos? Enough already. …

I liked the Kurt Angle-Hernandez match, although I would like to have seen it go a little longer. I was surprised when Hernandez tapped out to the ankle lock, as I thought for sure he was going to make it to the ropes to get a break and keep the match going. Angle took some high-impact bumps and Hernandez looked good in defeat. …

In a company in which it’s often hard to distinguish the heels from the babyfaces, the last thing we need is Angle and Nash hugging each other to further confuse things. …

The Global title instantly became more prestigious with A.J. Styles’ championship victory over Rob Terry. …

When Brother Devon asked Brother Ray why he didn’t have the ex-ECW guys’ backs last week, I thought Ray’s answer made perfect sense. He said that he and Devon have accomplished way more than the ex-ECW crew and that they have nothing left to prove with those guys.

Posted by Kevin Eck at 10:13 PM | | Comments (23)
        

Comments

When Dixie said that Hogan represented wrestling in the 80s and ECW was wrestling in the 90s, my first thought was, "But this is 2010!"

And where, oh where, is Paul Heyman? Are the rumours true? Surely we can't have an "ECW" show without him. Not to mention Joey Styles on play-by-play. Sorry, Tenay. Nothing personal.

This is sad. I have news for Dreamer, the ECW legacy ended a decade ago. He couldn't stand what the WWE did to ECW? Once again I think some forget to point the finger at Paul E. for what happened to ECW. If it weren't for the WWE, Dreamer and half of the glorified stuntmen at ECW wouldn't of had work for most of the 2000's (also some of the 90's when Vince was fronting Heyman some cash and TV time) and had been forgotten because if your name wasn't RVD or the Dudleys, no one real care about them. Dreamer didn't seem to mind cashing Vince's checks and wearing the horrible looking ECW Heavyweight belt Vince put around his waist. There is already some former ECW talent that said they'll go no where near this. I think that both of the One Night Stands that the WWE did were well done and true to what ECW was but they did make a mistake by bring it back as a weekly show. If you are a TNA talent you should be upset also. Your owner is telling you that a bunch of washed up wrestlers from a promotion that hasn't been around since a decade ago are a bigger draw than you are. But then again she been telling you that for a while (See Hogan, Nasty Boys, Hall, Waltman and so on). Not to mention the fact there's already not enough TV for most of the roster, so lets add more to take away more face time. I won't go into the usual illogical booking, not knowing who's a heel or face or why. How does TNA celebrate Styles being name the number 1 wrestler on PWI's top 500 list? They put a title on him no one cares about. I can hear it now "Hey AJ you were heavyweight champ 2 months ago and main eventing PPV's. So to make up for us giving your belt to a guy who had only wrestled 4 matches for the company and is a pot head and we just gave it to him to make the IWC marks happy. We'll give you the Global belt. What's that AJ? What's the difference between a World title and a Global one? We don't know. By the way congrats on that number 1 wrestling magazine thingy"

Kevin,

I'm surprised you don't think more highly of the ECW years and how influential they were to pro wrestling. I couldn't disagree with you more. I really think they don't get quite the respect they deserve in helping steer the Monday Night programs, particularly the WWF, into a more realistic, less cartoon-ish product.

Looking back on the WWF scene from roughly 1993-1995, I remember incredibly tame (and lame) storylines such as the Lex Express, unrealistic monsters like Giant Gonzalez, and just bad ideas like Bastion Booger, Doink the Clown, and the Undertaker/Undertaker angle. The main redeeming quality of the WWF in the mid-1990s was that at least Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels were there.

I often wonder how the WWF, without ECW's unique product and reasonable success (albeit largely regional), would have responded in the Monday Night wars. Personally, I don't think they would have been nearly as receptive to entering the Attitude Era. I really believe that they went all-in after noticing the response ECW had garnered.

ECW's influence alone in pushing the boundaries and pressuring the big two to do the same shouldn't be so easily forgotten or disregarded. Even though many of the ECW wrestlers/characters never truly crossed over into the mainstream, that doesn't mean that their product wasn't instrumental in completely re-shaping the industry.

RESPONSE FROM KE: Please don't misunderstand me. I do think ECW was very influential. No doubt WWE Attitude took its cues from ECW. What Paul Heyman did with little money and talent that in many cases consisted of people that couldn't make it in WWF or WCW was amazing. But the fact is, ECW was the No. 3 promotion at the time. I never thought ECW was in the same league with the big two. Just my opinion.

If Dreamer had quit WWE a loooong time before he did, then I might buy his "I'm so angry about what they did to ECW!!" But he cashed a lot of paychecks without complaint and then only quit after WWE finally retired the brand as they should have done long before.

Pardon my language, but 'frack' ECW. I'm tired of hearing how awesome it was. NWA was pretty great too, but I'm not dying to see its stars reunite on television. And I'm sure as hell not going to pay fifty bucks to see either one.

I drank it and it was the best flavor available from 96-2000. Didn't have the historical angles like NWO and Attitude era, but IMO was the funnest wrestling show on TV during their era.

RVD/LYNN! It's been a long time coming and they're both young enough to put a great finish to their awesome series.

I don't want to see this much more either, TNA is a quality promotion(at least for these days), they just make moronic creative decisions that keep them from building a bigger, more consistent audience. I'm so sick of Nash, I never drank the Diesel kool-aid. (Although those horrible Vinnie Vegas promos on Youtube are hilariously bad, just like any Ken Patera promo)

Could you imagine if the WWF in 2000 was as obsessed with honoring the AWA as TNA is with ECW in 2010?

The confusing part is that it seemed for a bit like Abyss' them was ECW, but then ECW was around and he was still talking about they, implying otherwise. Now, if you watch the Before the Bell for Hardcore Justice, they use Abyss' words as if he was talking about ECW. My head hurts thinking about it.

TNA just needs to revamp it's creative team. That's the bottom line. They are unlucky. I don't even think the current creative team is bad, but they're unlucky. People just won't stop complaining. Valvet Sky could get naked in the ring, and guys would complain. So it's time for a change, you guys are unlucky. Bring in Paul Heyman or whatever to change it up. Paul Heyman is as overrated as ECW but maybe he's lucky, since for some reason people think he's a god.

RESPONSE FROM KE: I wouldn't complain.

Hey Dreamer, I see the similarities between the original ECW and TNA too. TNA will go under, be sold to Vince, and they'll be a Rise and Fall of TNA DVD.

I can see the ECW PPV being the segue to Heyman appearing, with the ECW guys saying they snookered Dixie and are invading with Heyman on the lead.

The part about ECW being hardcore is more along the lines of outstanding physical matches. The junk wrestling with New Jack, etc was really a small part of there promotion.

Another very good show with outstanding wrestling on it. I think we may be seeing Angelina and Velvet reunite down the road. Beer Money/MCMG were outstanding as usual, and Angle/Hernandez was very good as well.

I saw nothing wrong with Nash and Angle's hug. Thy were friends before. Look at the Kliq at MSG.

I wonder if TNA will do a tribute to all of the ECW wrestlers who are no longer with us?

"There’s no denying that ECW was innovative and edgy during its heyday, but I never fully drank the Kool-Aid. …"

Here's one of the first ECW matches I saw: Lance Storm & Justin Credible vs. Chris Candido & Rhino. IMHO, there's more good wrestling here than bad wrestling or garbage wrestling, and this kind of match (as opposed to something like a five-minute-long beatdown by New Jack) is what made me a fan in the first place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzS9u0gc5aw

It's sad that TNA is running this angle because a focus group told them that men in their target demographic respond positively to ECW. If a wrestling company needs to consult focus groups, they probably don't know much about wrestling.

I do have say one thing i like about TNA is seeing the Beautiful People dress up in the locker room. Beer Money and Motor City Machine Guns street fight was a good match.

Here are my complaints:

I understand the idea of the refs being taken out so that Beer Money can be the dirty heels, but this was a street fight, Storm could've used his bottle anyway. I know that the MCMG could've made a pin, but I don't feel like Beer Money stole one. It looked like Earl Hebner got hit in the legs, that knocked him out? Pathetic. WWE doesn't even mention the ref's names anymore, they shouldn't have any of the spotlight.

Nash is the new Sting.

Random Global title match. Why? How did this come about?

Kurt Angle isn't going to have his last match on Impact, so we all know the outcome.

An ECW reunion show featuring Raven, Stevie Richards, and Tommy Dreamer.

Dixie Carter saying that this isn't her promo, this is her being real. I would never imagine Vince saying something like that. It just didn't make her look pro wrestling savvy.

ECW was ok back in the day because it wasn't owned by anyone else.

When it was the original ECW they did something that hadn't been done before, but now that it's all been done by WWE, what's the point?

so if there is an ECW reunion show, does that mean we will finally see some of the all time greats?

Of course I am talking about Mike Knox, Sylvester Terkay, Kevin Thorn, Ariel, Marcus Cor Von, and of course, Bobby Lashley

Maybe they could do a tribute to all former ECW Champions. It would be great to Christian Cage and Vince McMahon on TNA television

On a side note, if TNA is not going to do an ECW invasion, can we have a WWE Heat invasion? That show only stopped airing like 5 years ago, and it had higher ratings than ECW did or TNA does for that matter (All three were on Spike/TNN for those that did not get the reference).

They already have Stevie Richards and Raven under contract. Bring in Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas, and bring back Val Venis and you've got one great looking faction


Or Velocity. They already have Brian Kendrick and Kazarian. Bring in Paul London, Kid Kash, Nunzio, and the Mexicools. That feud just smells money

everybody that complains about wwe ruining ecw's legacy just come off as whiny little kids. none of them were complaining when wwe gave them all a chance to be on tv again. mcmahon tried to make ecw a legitimate brand from the start but it was ruined by rvd getting arrested and him losing both titles. the only one who didnt sell out was tommy dreamer but even hes starting to get annoying lately

I didn't like the pulling back of the curtain feel during the ECW portion. Most people know that it is a story but when I think back to ECW (Philly style) I remember Dreamer and Raven hating each other. Thursday they were in a lovefest. A few weeks ago I said that we needed to see Sarita whether she was a heel or a face. I was wrong, she's not believable as a heel. She should stay face. I still like what she does. The other Knockout stuff was confusing but at least they were on and there is nothing wrong with that. They just miss Hamada and Alyssa Flash who were real talents.

the suicidal homicidal genicidal death defying SABU! come where is he at???!!

How can people say the old ECW was not good it produced superstars like Rey Mystrerio , Chris Jericho, the late Eddie Guerrero, and Chris Benoit . If was not for ECW WCW and WWE would not have survived.

I thought ECW was the best promotion going at the time and was sorry to see how lame the WWE version was. I am not sorry they will be back for a one time deal but most are not able to be big stars today IMO.

Maybe the X division could become the hardcore division. I always enjoyed the X division matches but had no idea what distinguished it from any other division except most of them tended to be smaller, aerial based wrestlers. But then Samoa Joe was X division champ and I believe Abyss was in the division some also. The slogan is "It's not about weight limits, it's about no limits." which would seem to lend itself to a hardcore anything goes style except that the rules seem to be the same. This is why I could never understand the reason for the X division or what makes it different.

I love Angle but feel the 'win or retire' stipulation detracts from the matches. First, it leaves no doubt about who is going to win because I don't think he is ready to retire. Second, if he were to accidentally get severely injured or knocked out during a match so that he was unable to continue, would he then retire? Third, if you were a wrestler that hated the person in the 'win or retire' match, wouldn't the smart thing to do be to rush to the ring and attack his opponent so he would be disqualified and have to retire?

I also had no idea what Nash was talking about.

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