Random thoughts on The Miz, Survivor Series name change, new Four Horsemen and more
• Here is an excerpt from a July 2007 blog entry I wrote about The Miz: “I just don’t see anything remotely entertaining about this guy. If he hadn’t been on MTV’s The Real World, would WWE have even given him the time of day? You would think someone with such an annoying personality would be a great heel, but The Miz doesn’t make me love to hate him, he just makes me want to turn the channel. His work in the ring is average at best, his catchphrase is lame, and when I say his look is strictly mid-card, I’m talking mid-card at an indy show.” Wow, that was a bit stiff, but I meant every word of it at the time. I’ve already said a number of times recently that The Miz has won me over as a performer, but beyond his vast improvement in the ring and on the mic, Miz has impressed me with the way he handles himself with the media. I had a brief sit-down interview with Miz when Raw was in Baltimore in November, and I also participated in a conference call with him last week, and both times he came across as grounded and a guy who “gets it.” He represents WWE well.
• There were a couple things that The Miz said during the conference call that really struck me. When discussing the injuries that he has suffered in wrestling, he said, “I get concussions quite a bit.” The matter-of-fact way that he mentioned it is disturbing to say the least. He also said that he was hazed in WWE because the veterans wanted to see if he would quit. “I’m not a quitter,” he said. “I’m more of a person that says bring it on.” I find hazing to be repugnant, and I give Miz a lot of credit for refusing to be bullied. It’s a testament to his mental toughness and determination to live his dream.
• I said above that The Miz “gets it.” Unfortunately, not everyone in wrestling does. In my 15-plus years of interviewing figures in the industry, it’s been my experience that the biggest stars are often the easiest to deal with, while those who haven’t been relevant in quite a while are often the most arrogant and difficult. Recently, I was “big-leagued” by a female wrestling personality who hasn’t done anything meaningful in the business in well over a decade. I’m guessing that her ’tude stems from her difficulty coming to grips with the fact that her only talent was her looks and now they’re gone – and no amount of plastic surgery is going to bring them back.
• I’ve read where there’s a possibility that TNA will form a Four Horsemen-type stable with Ric Flair in the J.J. Dillon role. That got me to thinking about who would be a good fit for such a group. A.J. Styles, of course, is a given. As for the other three, I’d go with Matt Morgan, Desmond Wolfe and Robert Roode. It would be a little risky to turn Morgan heel since he’s over now as a babyface, but I could see him becoming a bigger star down the line once he broke away from the group and returned to being a babyface.
• I’m a little surprised that some people are bent out of shape over WWE’s plans to change the name of the Survivor Series pay-per-view. I know it’s one of the Big Four (along with WrestleMania, the Royal Rumble and SummerSlam), but the name no longer applies and it hasn’t for years. Having team elimination matches as the focal point of the show was largely abandoned over a decade ago.
• Speaking of name changes, former Ring of Honor star Bryan Danielson is wrestling as Daniel Bryan in Florida Championship Wrestling, WWE’s developmental territory. In this case, I don't think a name change was really necessary. Although if you're going to do it, at least call him something cool like "Desmond Wolfe." On a side note, the Danielson story reminded me of when Mike Tyson appeared on Raw back in 1998 claiming to be a big WWE fan. “I just love that Cold Stone,” he said.







Comments
Oh come on, you've got to let us know who that female wrestling personality is. How can you tease us like that?
Posted by: D | February 14, 2010 5:03 AM
"I’ve read where there’s a possibility that TNA will form a Four Horsemen-type stable with Ric Flair in the J.J. Dillon role"
Isn't that exactly what he did in Evolution?
"but I could see [Morgan[ becoming a bigger star down the line once he broke away from the group and returned to being a babyface"
So basically the same as what Batista did in Evolution :P
I don't think TNA's "horsemen" thing will work...even if most fans today don't remember the horsemen, this group will just seem like a cheap version on Evolution.
RESPONSE FROK KE: THe one difference would be that Flair was a member of Evolution (he and Batista were tag champs at one point), whereas in the "new Horsemen" he would be the J.J. Dillon.
Posted by: Jason | February 14, 2010 5:33 AM
I noticed that concussion line too and also found it disturbing.
Linda McMahon was on MSNBC's Morning Joe last week to talk about her Senate run and got blindsided/hammered by Lawrence O'Donnel who said she/wwe treated wrestlers "like circus animals" and showed little if any regard for their health an well being and mentioned rampant use of steroids and other drugs, etc. After adjusting to the shock of the sudden left turn of the interview, Linda rattled off the standard lines about the wellness program and all.
However these comments by the Miz seem to reflect that while the WWE may be doing a passable job on the drug issue from a steroid/painkiller stance (Chris Masters? Seriously? Just hard work in the gym? Really?) they haven't yet stepped up to address the seriousness of concussions.
I don't care how you break the fall, how can a powerbomb from 9 feet in the air not result in some jarring of the brain?
Posted by: James | February 14, 2010 5:44 AM
So who was the broad? Can you give us some more clues? Ex wife of a football player and rattlesnake? Current wife of an MMA guy? I hope it wasn't the one whose name describes a day without clouds....
RESPONSE FROM KE: Nah, I'm not going to say anymore. I just wanted to vent without totally burying her.
Posted by: Ray | February 14, 2010 8:06 AM
First, I love the Miz. I thought it was going to be impossible for him to get over coming from MTV and struggling with finding a character early on. The one thing I did always say was that he was may more comfortable on the mic than a lot of other guys. That really takes you a long way in wrestling these days. Plus it has be proven that you don't have to be a great wrestler in the ring to be a champ. See Hulk Hogan, John Cena, or Ultimate Warrior. But, I would say he is definitely better than them in the ring.
Secondly, the new horseman should be called Second Nature. I would have Daniels, Tomko, Daniels, and Kaz. Tomko and Daniels could be the tag team like Arn and Tully. The thing that made Arn and Tully great was that when they weren't in a tag team storyline, they could be broken up into singles champs. Tomko and Daniels could be the same. They both could challenge for the Global Championship if it ever amounts to anything. Daniels could also be the x-division champ. Kaz would give the group a singles guy who would be in line for both titles as well.
The great thing about the Horseman was you had a clear leader who was the guy chasing or holding the world title and 3 guys that supported him. Arn and Tully were great, but they were never going to be World Champs. The list you made could all be pushed to the World Title one day. I think Daniels and Tomko are never going to be given that opportunity. So we wouldn't have to worry about them breaking up because of needing a push. However, the 4th guy is where the flexibility comes in. Luger, Windham, Ole, etc were all able to be moved. That's where Kaz comes in. He doesn't have to stay forever but just come in to begin with. You can put your newcomers who need to be given a rub in the group for a while and give the a minor title. I think a Jack Swagger in WWE would be a great guy to have in that 4th spot. TNA doesn't have anyone in that boat right now.
Plus, I always believed that Arn, Ric and Tully were really friends. I can see that with AJ, Daniels, and Tomko. I can't with Morgan, Wolfe or even Roode.
Posted by: nate | February 14, 2010 8:17 AM
UGH...Another New Horsemen group. Why cant they just let the likes of McMichael (and his dog Pepe) and Paul "Romeo" Roma rest?
The original Horsemen were a hit because of who and how they came together at the time they did. It worked because they were a heel faction in a day of clearly delineated lines between heel and face, when people like the ShockMaster could almost burst thru walls and we saw killer promos, if you we-ill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6KNTQb5Qo
Wrestling simply doesnt show that intensity anymore.
The closest TNA came to a decent stable was Team Canada. It worked because a student of the game, Scottie D'amore, headed it and the members didnt fit stereotypes to match a demographic target or future story lines.
Could Flair lead a stable? Sure, but the key is letting it come natural, based on developed rivalries. Dont throw something together and shove it down our throats.
Posted by: Bring Back the WWWF | February 14, 2010 8:31 AM
The only reason the survivor series elimination matches are dead is because the WWE killed them. If the creative team were so creative they could find a way to resurrect the PPV. Especially since they seem to be on a "themed" PPV kick.
Posted by: Mark K | February 14, 2010 10:23 AM
"Recently, I was “big-leagued” by a female wrestling personality who hasn’t done anything meaningful in the business in well over a decade. I’m guessing that her ’tude stems from her difficulty coming to grips with the fact that her only talent was her looks and now they’re gone – and no amount of plastic surgery is going to bring them back."
Does her name rhyme with "itch"?
Posted by: Loco | February 14, 2010 10:39 AM
We often knock the WWE for locking into certain guys and giving them the spotlight because of nepotism, backstage politics, etc.
I think this case demonstrates that a guy's role can increase through hard work and dedication.
Two years ago this fellow was at the bottom of the card, but he has polished his mike work, refined his persona and found ways to get rubs from working with more established guys without stepping on their toes.
His work in the ring is still average, but reliable, and becuase the rest of the package is so good, he can be used in any role, including a title holder.
Morrison, on the other hand, who seemed destined to get a similar push because of his look and looks, seems to have stagnated. He's actually better in the ring than the Miz but his mike skills and personality don't seem to have developed at the same rate.
I notice that Miz mentioned that he takes acting lessons and works on his character. He's also turned down cheezy acting roles that wouldn't have helped him in the long term.
That kind of long term thinking and character development and behind the scenes work has apparently helped him a lot.
Posted by: Mark | February 14, 2010 11:44 AM
"Her only talent was her looks and now they're gone."
Mae Young?
Posted by: jvwalt | February 14, 2010 12:10 PM
Frank from Dundalk;
Forget about using punctuation, I'm shocked that you know how to spell school. Or, that you ever went to school.
Posted by: Magnificent Mark | February 14, 2010 12:17 PM
For me I became a 'Mizfit' during his tag team reigns with Morrison. The Dirt Sheet was hilarious and I think you can see that he fits the arrogant heel to a tee. Plus his matches aren't doing too bad either. Crazy to think that he is a better all-rounder than Morrison (although if he could bring along some of his charisma during the Dirt Sheet days to his face turn rather than being 'Cena-lite' that would definitely help!). I expect big things from the both of them in the next couple of years. With that said I thought MVP would be a main-eventer by now so who am I to predict? (although that was before his awful losing streak)
Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2010 12:22 PM
Kevin, I hear you on the being able to deal with big stars than no names part.
I had a much easier time setting up and completing an interview with Bret Hart for my radio show than Larry Zbyskzo who demanded I pay him $50 for the right to talk to him and Mikey Whipwreck who just completely skipped my show and failed to contact me ever again even though we had everything setup for the interview.
RESPONSE FROM KE: Just wondering, did you pay LZ the 50?
Posted by: Elevation | February 14, 2010 1:04 PM
While team elimination matches ceased to be the focal point of Survivor Series a long time ago, they still held on to the maxim that the Survivor Series was all about "survival" albeit inconsistently. Survivor Series should have been the gimmick pay-per-view that strictly contained all elimination matches, whether they were team or not. Survivor Series 2002 was a great example. On that card, there was a Tables Elimination Match, a Tag Team Triple Threat Elimination Match, and the first ever Elimination Chamber Match. If each match was a different type of elimination match, the "survivor" part would have made sense. Then again, I could see an idea like that only working for a few years and then dying anyway. Oh, well. Some things just have to go.
Posted by: Cliff | February 14, 2010 1:21 PM
Interesting on the Four Horsemen. Could they call them that? I figured WWE owned rights to various aspects of Four Horsemen and the four-finger sign.
RESPONSE FROM KE: They could not call them the Four Horsemen, so TNA would have to come up with something else. With Flair at the helm and the four guys wearing expensive suits, I think fans would get it.
Posted by: GMan | February 14, 2010 1:25 PM
I think people are upset about Survivor Series is because they don't want to see something with some history replaced by another gimmick PPV. It's just my opinion, but these PPVs take away what made the match gimmicks special. For instance, Hell in a Cell was for two guys at the height of their feud where the only solution was to lock them in a cage until one man beats the hell out of the other. Now its just whoever is feuding by mid-October or whenever it will be. Same goes for TLC, Chamber, Breaking Point and so on. It is true that the team elimination matches arent as important as before, but you could always expect a good show because it was one of the Big Four. Now, who really knows what to expect.
Posted by: Pat Coyne | February 14, 2010 3:17 PM
I think Cliff just perfectly described why Survivor Series made it through 2009, and why it won't make it into 2010.
After the whole "controversy" in title matches every year died out, which lasted about 3 years after 1997, WWE did try to revitalize Survivor Series with the focus on "survival." The problem was that you can hardly focus on survival when every fan expects the participants to show up the following month to compete again.
Although I realize this is wrestling, so retiring a pay-per-view title is the same as losing a retirement match. Never say "never again."
Posted by: Mr. Sarcasm | February 14, 2010 3:30 PM
I always thought "Survivor Series" was an awesome name for a PPV, and so I'm against changing the name. If WWE wants to make it more gimmicky, why not make it a King of the Ring style tournament PPV? The concept of "survivor" still applies there. I actually remember that this was done in Survivor Series 98 ("Deadly Game" tournament) where Rock won his first WWF title.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2010 3:53 PM
That's a shame about Survivor Series. I always thought that gimmick was so awesome...getting to see guys team together that you normally didn't see together. Great stuff. 1of the best Christmas presents I got this year was volume 1 of the DVD collection. The Series could lead to a whole blog of it's own...star power-wise, who was the best team ever as far as what guys were hot at the time they were teamed? The DX, Hardys, Punk team was pretty stacked. As was Hogan, Roberts, & Demolition...I think they would get my vote.
As far as " just love that Cold Stone"...judging from pix I've seen of Tyson recently I think he meant what he said...he was talking about Cold Stone Creamery.
Posted by: Xelpzat | February 14, 2010 4:59 PM
Why not just combine the bragging rights concept with the survivor series?
Posted by: eee | February 14, 2010 5:25 PM
Eck,
I wouldn't pay LZ 50$ unless he agreed to come to my house and personally commentate Wrestle Mania.
Posted by: Elevation | February 14, 2010 6:13 PM
The Miz has come a long way since coming to Raw last year. He's got those things you cant teach - the interview skills and the charisma that's lacking from a lot of the young superstars today. I think his in-ring work could use some work, it's not bad by any means but I would like to see him do more on the offensive side. He's got the tools to keep him in the spotlight for years to come. I'm looking forward to seeing how the WWE works him into the Wrestlemania card.
Posted by: Tom Q | February 14, 2010 6:47 PM
The cool thing about the Miz is the progress he has made infront of the audience. Being able to see that journey has made him able to connect with fans today.
Being in the medical field I often see the word concussion thrown around by athletes who have hit their head but have not been diagnosed by a doctor. I find it hard to belive that the WWE would allow a talent to wrestle with an actual concussion expecially having multiple concussions. Not every concussion means you have to retire but multiple, repeated, diagnosed concussions would be something that would be high on the WWE's radar. I'm not doubting most of the wrestlers get their bell rung on occasion, but there is a difference.
Posted by: mat | February 14, 2010 8:33 PM
Why couldn't they use the four horsemen moniker? Wasn't it originally from Notre Dame Football?
RESPONSE FROM KE: It doesn't matter what it originated from, only who trademarked it, and I'm guessing WWE owns it.
Posted by: David S. | February 14, 2010 9:11 PM
RE: Mr. Sarcasm
"Although I realize this is wrestling, so retiring a pay-per-view title is the same as losing a retirement match. Never say 'never again.'"
I think we'll probably see Survivor Series show up in some over the hill wrestler's promotion that's touring in Australia and then replace Lockdown in TNA.
Posted by: Cliff | February 15, 2010 1:02 AM
Hey Kev, love the "random thoughts" column - is this something you would consider doing every week? Love your take on the week's comings and goings on.
Tony
RESPONSE FROM KE: I think it will be something I do whenever the mood hits me. I don't want to commit to doing it every week, because some weeks are busier than others.
Posted by: tony | February 15, 2010 7:21 AM
Since TNA has such a propensity for naming things with as much of an insider reference as possible, wouldn't put it past them to name Flair's new group "The Centaurs" (literally, horse-men).
Posted by: Don | February 15, 2010 10:50 AM
Kev the "new 4 horsemen" should be Flair, A J Styles, Ken Anderson & Jeff Jarrett / If Flair is just the mgr then I'd add either Morgan or Sting...would get me interested again...also if not Sting..do you ever see Ric Flair & Sting ever wrestling again? No two guys have ever worked together better than those two - they always were instant classics
Posted by: Jammy | February 15, 2010 2:59 PM
Here's hoping for the return of Fall Brawl and the WarGames match! I mean, they stole the Great American Bash, right? So it works, right? XD
Posted by: EazieCheeze | February 15, 2010 3:52 PM
I agree with the possible Survivor Series name change. It's time to update all these old "Big Four" pay-per-views. Take Summerslam, for example. "Slam" is too violent for the family-friendly WWE. We need something that will appeal to all ages and will emphasize this pay-per-view as "The Biggest Party of the Summer." I recommend "Summerfest."
Posted by: Matthew | February 15, 2010 8:16 PM
Ha ha, yeah, and while we are at it the term Wrestle is also outdated and doesn't fit into the "family friendly" genre so I think we'll have to eventually re-name Wrestlemania.
Posted by: Shaun | February 16, 2010 11:18 AM
What if they bring back the Starrcade ppv?It used to occur during the thanksgiving right?
Posted by: SajidM | February 16, 2010 12:46 PM
TNA should follow the Brian Danielson model and name the faction "The Horse Fourman." :)
With Bischoff and Hogan calling the shots, do you think they would allow the Horsemen to succeed? They sure didn't the first time.
If you are going to do it, you need to do it with the best. They need the full backing of the creative team. They need the time to pull it off, at least a two and a half year commitment.
A.J. , Daniels, Kennedy, and Samoa Joe.
This group would work well. The only question I would have is A.J. up to leading it? If not, you still have three options that could step up. Also, all of these wrestlers are pros who could work in any role. They just need to remain committed to the goal.
Posted by: Dr. J. | February 16, 2010 6:07 PM