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June 2, 2009

Ric Flair goes all 'Super Shane' on Randy Orton on Raw

I don’t know what’s worse for WWE champion Randy Orton, getting beaten up by a 39-year-old executive in a baggy shirt, sweat pants and sneakers, or getting beaten up by a 60-year-old man in a polo shirt, slacks and dress shoes.

Just as Orton did in his recent program with Super Shane McMahon, he eventually got the last laugh against Ric Flair Monday night on Raw, but what transpired prior to the end result was beyond absurd.

I just shook my head as I watched Flair, who is really looking his age, beat the snot out of Orton, a 29-year-old world champion in peak physical condition, in a brawl that started in the parking area backstage and continued on the arena floor. Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase Jr. finally ended the beat-down by attacking Flair, who, unlike Super Shane, could not handle all three Legacy members.

After Rhodes and DiBiase weakened Flair, they locked him inside a steel cage with Orton, who proceeded to punt the 16-time world champion in the head in front of Batista, who stood helpless outside the cage. The show ended with Orton doing his awesome psychotic glare at a furious Batista, who vowed to tear him apart at the Extreme Rules pay-per-view on Sunday.

In theory, Orton destroying Flair while Batista is forced to watch is a great way to end the go-home show. But to really get heat on Orton, he should have destroyed Flair when they were fighting, not the other way around. It would have been fine for Flair to gain momentary advantages with his “dirtiest player in the game” tactics and to keep coming back at Orton, but ultimately the young stud needed to get the better of the senior citizen.

To maximize Orton’s potential as a heel and a draw, he should be booked as a guy with no redeeming qualities who will take every shortcut to win, but who also happens to be the most talented wrestler in the business.

Other thoughts on Monday’s show:

Despite how unbelievable it is that Flair could beat up Orton (unless we’re talking about Cowboy Bob Orton), Flair did show a lot of intensity during the brawl, and he and Orton were laying in some good shots (the punt to the head was mostly a whiff, however). Orton was bleeding either from his neck or the back of his head, and Flair also appeared to be bleeding from the back of his head. Would anybody really use chops in a street fight, though? …

The way the final segment was scripted made Batista look bad. Instead of just standing there watching his mentor get brutalized, why didn’t he climb up and over the cage? He started to, but then gave up. Even Mick Foley has climbed the cage in the past. Between Orton getting beaten up and Batista lacking the athleticism to climb the cage, I’m starting to think that the main event at Extreme Rules should be Flair versus Super Shane. …

The creative team isn’t doing Rhodes any favors, either. I understand that Batista needed to get a decisive win heading into Sunday’s show, but Rhodes didn’t even get in a single offensive move during the cage match. It couldn’t have been any more of a squash had Batista been facing Funaki. How are fans supposed to take Legacy seriously as a dangerous heel faction? During the glory days of The Four Horsemen, you never saw Arn Anderson getting squashed by Nikita Koloff in a three-minute match. …

The highlight of the night was the match in which Kofi Kingston won the U.S. title from MVP. Both guys looked really good. …

Speaking of MVP, Carlito needs to spit in his face, because he is no longer cool. He took that woman from The View to a prom? You’ve got to be kidding. I understand that WWE is trying to reach a different demographic through an association with a talk show for women, but it would be a lot better for MVP’s image if he was being linked with someone hot like Tyra Banks (even though she is a little nutty). And what was with MVP smiling after Kingston beat him for the title? Shaking Kingston’s hand would have been fine, but losing a championship isn’t anything to smile about. …

The odd couple tag teams of John Cena and Chavo Guerrero, and The Big Show and The Miz made for a fun match. I think it’s great how even the heels don’t like Miz. By the way, “I’m The Miz and I’m awesome” has to be the worst catch phrase since “That’s not just the coolest, that’s not just the best, that’s Justin Credible.” …

Michael Cole referred to Big Show’s submission move as a Cobra Clutch Backbreaker. I think he meant Camel Clutch Backbreaker. …

The women’s tag match of Mickie James and Kelly Kelly versus Maryse and Beth Phoenix wasn’t bad. The highlight for me was Maryse’s cover of Kelly Kelly to end the match. …

I was surprised that WWE acknowledged that the Hog Pen match between Santina Marella and Vickie Guerrero at Extreme Rules is not the first of its kind. I was not surprised, however, that WWE failed to mention that Triple H was one of the competitors flopping around in the slop the first time such a match was on a WWE pay-per-view, in 1995.

Posted by Kevin Eck at 3:38 AM | | Comments (59)
        

Comments

Didn't Flair sneak up on Orton from behind?

RESPONSE FROM KE: Sure he did. And that was a plausible reason why he was able to gain an early advantage on Orton. But eventually should have taken over and stayed on the attack.

What was the deal with Vikki putting the slop Santino's privates???

Kev, the reason for MVP's smile is that handing over the US Titile is a tip off to the fact that he will have a run as WWE champ.

It was OK last year when Flair was wrestling HBK, but NOT now? OH, and by the way, Kevin...you and all the other wrestling journalists keep referring to "Super Shane". Once again, how was it fine to Shane to beat up Steve Blackman, Test (RIP), Kane, and let's not forget ( well, you guys have ) his Street Fight with Kurt Angle...no one said anything but how Shane's abilities were incredible. So, don't b**** about Orton getting beat up by a 60 year old man.....

RESPONSE FROM KE: Blackman? Test? Kane? None of those guys are in Orton's league. I'll give you Angle, but I don't believe he was WWE champion at the time. Plus Super Shane never beat up three guys at once back then like he did with Legacy. He would won a 3-on-1 handicap match if one of them hadn't made the save on a pin attempt.

As for Flair-HBK, I didn't have a problem with it because it told a good story -- one of the greatest of all time reaching down and finding it within himself to have one final competitive match on the big stage. That's a heck of a lot different than him beating up a stud like Orton in afight. For God's sake Flair couldn't even win a fight with his daughter's boyfriend. Do you honestly believe he could hold his own with Orton?

Kevin, is it me or people these days are rooting for the heels?! There was actually a time after the RKO to Flair I heard people cheering for Orton. Scary!!

Really poor Raw again. It's really in a rut just now and it's neck and neck with Impact as the worst wrestling show on TV.

The Flair/Orton brawl was proposterous and went on 5 minutes longer than it should have. The only saving grace is Flair's mic work is much better than Batista and this way we haven't had to hear much of him.

I'm already sick of the Santino/Vicky stuff. Vicky's shtick has got old and Flair would be better as a GM. That would keep him in the limelight where he wants and deserves to be, and more importantly...he wouldnt be wrestling.

Thank god for Smackdown because Extreme Rules would suck without their contribution to the card.

RESPONSE FROM KE: I would love to see Flair as GM or as a manger.

Interesting show but I agree the booking is way off and there is no way Orton loses at the PPV. Kingston getting a push is a good sign.

You know, the Triple H's Hog Pen Match was on his DVD that came out last year. And even talk about the match.

RESPONSE FROM KE: Wow, I'm really surprised. Thanks for the info. I do not own that DVD.

The creative team isn’t doing Rhodes any favors, either. I understand that Batista needed to get a decisive win heading into Sunday’s show, but Rhodes didn’t even get in a single offensive move during the cage match.

For a while I thought Cody was just paying his dues but now I honestly think he's being buried. When Legacy finally breaks up expect Cody to by far get the worse end of the deal.

actuly the last Hog Pen match was with Stone Cold and Eric Bishoff at Bad Blood. Oh and Randy Orton is the BEST!!!!

RESPONSE FROM KE: You're right. I meant to say the FIRST one was with HHH and Henry Godwin.

I'm getting tired of Ballin' Elbow, the Money Money Yeah Yeah Elbow, the Boom Boom Boom Legdrop, and any other moves like that. You know when watching those moves were exciting? When The Rock was doing the People's Elbow. That's it. Knock this catchphrase/move combo crap off.

And also, the idea that Cena can't lock the STF onto Big Show is BOGUS. He did it in October 2006 during the build up to the Cena/Show/King Booker Match at Cyber Sunday 2006. WWE needs to check their archives or stop treating the fans as morons.

I thought raw was decent Fliar beating up orton was funning i hope though the fact that orton was bleedindg doesn't mean we see best wishes to flair in his future endevers since he doesn't have acontract but it would be a first. was happy to see kofi win the U S title which I hope means they are gonna give MVP a World Title run although I don't like his new attitude he should still be brash and cocky.

It's official. Randy Orton is the worst booked wwe champion ever. They've taken a guy who was the hottest heel in the biz, and yet still drawing pops from the crowd and turned him into a joke. I think the spirit squad was more intimidating than Legacy. Raw is just horrible now.

I keep thinking that we are going to see Ric Flair have a heart attack in the ring. He has gotten the snot beat out of him by Jericho and now punted in the head by Orton...how much more can he take? Why can't he go away or just be a manager that gets involved in matches to help his wrestler win. Where have all the managers gone anyway? I really liked Slick, Bobby the Brain, Jimmy Hart etc...

Can Flair just please disappear already? His retirement ceremony is tarnished every week he comes out. In my book, every run-in, every beat-down is considered wrestling.

Go away Flair. Please.

Imagine the poor WWE gofer who had to go into some Birmingham hardware store and get them to accept a WWE purchase order for two galvanized buckets.

- Chris Jericho was right about Flair.

- The Miz's comparison of John Cena to The Jonas Brothers, Sponge Bob Square Pants and Hannah Montana was spot on.

- Lately, The Miz really has been awesome. Carlito, on the other hand, is no longer cool. The characters of Carlito, MVP, and Santino have all suffered due to the face turns.

- And seriously, when is someone going to file a missing person's report on Sim Snuka?

I don't know Kevin, but I'm swaying more and more on watching Smackdown than RAW. That's where the action and the people are - i.e. Edge, Morrison, Jericho, Mysterio, Hardy --- even though I don't like some of them, the storylines, rivalries are a lot better to watch than RAW.

What has really disillusioned me in the last few weeks has been Ric Flair. Now I've only been a fan for a few years, but his huge "retirement" episode on RAW means nothing to me now.... It really meant something to me until a few weeks ago - so I guess Ric's not really retired after all, and I agree, he's showing his age. And between Shane and now Ric, who's going to beat up Orton next? Vickie Guerrero maybe??? Or JR?

Orton and his goon squad are really turning me off of RAW, especially Cody Rhodes.. He appeals to me as much as Colin Delaney did.... NOT.

And Miz and Maryse really should team up - they're both so full of themselves. I don't think anyone wants to wrestle with either of them.

Enough of me ranting - but keep up the great posts. I love reading them.

I missed this Raw, but doesn't sound like I missed much....

Just wondering did anyone make reference to Mr Kennedy? or the lack of Mr Kennedy?

And Kev would you say Flair has now left retirement due to working this "parking lot match" with Orton, he may not have actualy had a "proper" match but sounds as if he certainly worked a "fight". Do you think this counts as bieng back in the ring?

RESPONSE FROM KE: I think WWE is walking a very fine line with Flair as to what is and isn't considered coming out of retirement.

I am having a hard time with the Flair storyline, put him in a suit behind the scenes and surface him now and again. I agree with th Cody Rhodes, they could have made it a little more back and forth. MVP is so well liked now that I don't think it would matter what line they put him in. I found the prom going to be sweet, seeing as neither celebrity went to their own proms. Thanks for the great blog.

It would not surprise me in the least if they put the WWE belt on MVP in the not to distant future.

OK, so he lost the U.S. title. And might think he's not cool anymore. Whether you like The View or not, MVP's star is rising. Why else put MVP and not someone else on The View? Besides how many times can Orton defend the belt against Batista, Cena and Triple H? How dreadfully boring.

My prediction is that Orton will be scheduled to defend the title against one of them at an upcoming PPV and Legacy will take his opponent out rendering him unable to answer the bell. Can you hear the clock ticking?

It will be Ron Simmons winning the WCW title from Vader all over again only on a much larger scale. Sure, the WWE has had an African American world champion but change, for better or for worse, is in the air.

Now MVP might be in a program with Kingston for a bit exchanging the U.S. title back and forth. But mark my words, MVP will be WWE champ by the end of 2009.

RESPONSE FROM KE: I hope you're right about MVP. I thought he was going to be world champ by the end of 2008.

I loved Flair. He was one of a kind. His retirement match and lovefeast on the next day's Raw was awesome. But the thought of seeing him wrestle again or having a street fight just tarnishes everything he accomplished

I had Flair turning heel at WM. Now I have him turning heel on Batista Sunday and becoming the manager of Legacy. Am I the only one that see's this?

Seriously Kevin - Is there a better heel female champ in the biz today than Maryse? I don't think Angelina Love can compare at this point. The moves, the hand gestures to the crowd and the ref, the hair throwback, the outfits, the improving mic skills....I hope that WWE creative let her keep the belt than putting it on someone like Double K (a freak win) or Mickie James (for an ump-teenth time). The cover on Double K was priceless

RESPONSE FROM KE: As much as I like Maryse as a character, Angelina Love is a better worker and talker.

The worst part of watching Flair is his entrance. He spends about 30 seconds (count them off) just doing his strut back and forth while yelling "Wooooo! Wooo! Wooooo!!" over and over and over again. It's like watching a clown perform. Badly.

It's like having an entire Simpsons episode where Bart just says "Eat my shorts" and "Don't have a cow, man" over and over and over again. Or an epidode of South Park where Kenny dies every 30 seconds and the kids just keep repeating, "Oh my God, you killed Kenny. You bastards!" Nothing but that, over and over. And over.

It's embarrassing. Flair was once great. Last night, he looked like a poorly-trained monkey. What a fall. "Woooo! Woooooo!! Wooooo! Wooo! Wooooo! Wooo! Wooooooo!!"

Hi Kevin, I totally agree with you on everything. After three or four really bad weeks, Raw was eventually heading for a very good show, until that atrocity with Flair. I don't think that even Flair's strongest fans and Orton's biggest haters liked this stupid booking. I only hope that the (missed) punt means that Flair is definitely out of our screens. But who knows, maybe in twenty years we will see Flair beating up Orton's, Rhodes' and DiBiase's kids...

sherry shepard is to mvp is what jessica simpson is to tony romo. a jinx

When was the last time the WWE had a real heel faction that just destroyed and dominated for an extended period of time? I guess Evolution? But they were corporate bad, not evil bad. 2009 should have been the Reign of Orton, a la 1996 when NWO ran roughshod over WCW for a year. Then you spend the next year with the good guys fighting back and winning the title. WWE always has had trouble committing to that type of program, I'm guessing because of business concerns.

RESPONSE FROM KE: If done properly, a strong heel faction could be great for business.

*sigh* The main reason I even started getting cable years ago was to watch Raw...now, it's getting to the point where I've been skipping it, just reading the reviews. At least I have TNA and Smackdown...hell, even ECW can be better at times. And yeah, the whole Super Shane run was the nail in the coffin for me too.

I agree with HRC Chad about Maryse. She's a great heel, and I'd take her over Love any day as Love is pretty overrated, in my opinion, especially her work in the ring.

John Smith: Jericho's initial run as undisputed champion was worse to me. He didn't win either match against Stone Cold or The Rock clean, and he followed it up by feuding with HHH over Steph McMahon and her dog, and some other spotty matches.

I agree with Kevin - Flair was built up way, WAY too strong last night. Between Orton and Edge, a championship heel can't seem to legitimately win a match.

I agree with Gary when he said the brawl at the end went on 5 minutes too long, but as far as Flair goes don't we give him a pass because he's the "Nature Boy." You know, 16 time world heavyweight champion, all that good stuff. Eck, I really think the fact that Flair might come back to wrestle has got you P.O'ed. Like you said at least he wasn't fighting off all 3 members of Legacy at the same time. As far as Flair not being able to beat up his daughter's boyfriend, speaking as a father, I could turn my daughter's boyfriend inside-out, but I wouldn't, out of love and respect for my baby girl. If he was hitting me I'd find it hard to hit back. I have a feeling that may have been the same situation. You have to be a parent to understand that one.
As far as Orton goes, he certainly shouldn't be made to even be fighting non wrestlers week after week when there is a slew of talent in the locker room that deserves that chance.

"Between Orton getting beaten up and Batista lacking the athleticism to climb the cage, I’m starting to think that the main event at Extreme Rules should be Flair versus Super Shane. …"

I LOLed....really good blog.....i was never a gr8 ric flair fan ( primarily coz i only watched WWF/WWE when i strtd following wrestling) ....but he has to stay away...he is an embarrassment now an he certainly doesn't deserve people talking about him in these terms.....btw u didn't post on ECW last week ...ut thoughts on the Hart "Dynasty" ?

I agree that more & more with each week, Ric Flair's special ceremony is diminishing..I found it funny that the King, kept insisting "This is not a match, he's retired" ; well you could have fooled me: it ended up in the steel cage in the ring and granted there was no ref, the "technicalities" of what is a match/not a match don't matter Ric Flair is still wrestling....also, how dare anyone in the WWE comment on Kennedy being injury proned when they have had several main eventers miss significant time due to injuries - the list includes everyone! Rey Mysterio,
Batista, Cena, HHH & Orton have all missed sginificant periods recently ..someone was scared of losing their spot ..some coward - Green Bay's # 1 athlete will not be denied!

Kevin said - "..... what's worse, getting beaten up by a 39 year old executive in a baggy shirt , sweat pants and sneakers , or by a 60 year old man in a polo shirt , slacks , and dress shoes . "
Kevin , you forgot to add - a 60 year old man w / saggy skin under a polo shirt .....etc. , etc .

Speaking of the fine lines WWE is walking with Flair, what about the promos Orton's cut on him about staying retired? I wonder if he will get the Hogan treatment from HBK once he is overseas and HBK is back on live TV and PPV's feeling like an idiot for the emotion he showed in what turns out to be Flair's 50th to last match?

It was interesting that the intro showed nothing from last week's main event due to Kennedy's involvement. My guess is they cut him once they realized they already had 5 pansy faces on Raw already and rather than write an arc to turn him heel over the summer in a meaningful way they just said "screw it let's cut him and go back to demasculating MVP some more." The biggest draws since Hogan all had an edge to them (even Cena when he turned and was drawing the most) and it seems they want to make these new guys like an 80's Hogan. MVP will probably tell Kofi he said his prayers and ate his vitamins this week in preparation for his rematch. It's literally unwatchable, you feel like you're watching someone die on the inside a little more each week and this is after the needless/thankless loser gimmick.

I kept thinking on the Batista segment that maybe they'd use that to turn him heel later. His way of sticking it to Flair and his "I don't need your help" nonsense. They could have the cage down next week on Raw and he tosses the belt in the ring and easily climbs up and in. He could go to monster heel status in about a 5 minute promo after that, especially if he wins the title and says it was all part of his plan. I say monster heel, but I mean that's all relative since everyone is collectively in the middle so that it makes the illogical booking stand out less.

The funniest part for me was how Dunn stayed with Vickie laughing after she poured the slop on Santino and she couldn't make herself snort before they finally had to fade it out. Poor Regal too. I'm sure he was longing for the days of Jericho peeing in his tea...

I don't think MVP's smile was that of an over-accommodating babyface who's happy for Kofi Kingston because he's a nice guy. I think he was smiling because he has solid competition, looking forward to a rematch.

While it defies old school mentality to smile after losing a belt, at least it's consistent with the current frequency of title changes. How bent out of shape could MVP really get over a loss when so many titles change hands every month?

BTW, it's too bad you're not a bigger Conan O'Brien fan -- because his debut on The Tonight Show was far more entertaining than the Orton/Flair fight sounds. I watched Conan & Andy after MVP/Kofi, which sounds like was a wise move.

"The characters of Carlito, MVP, and Santino have all suffered due to the face turns."

santino hasnt suffered at all.

"His (Flair's) retirement match and lovefeast on the next day's Raw was awesome. "

That love fest was a work.

Flair looked his age way before "retiring".

That he is taking up feature match time on Raw "not wrestling" at this point just about says it all.

I really don't know why some people are so high on the Miz. He's so overly obnoxious that I have to change the channel whenever I see him with a microphone. Plus, his feud with Cena is only a cheap imitation of the Jericho/Goldberg feud in WCW. If I wanted to see someone rehash Jericho's old antics, I'd want it to be done by Jericho himself.

Hey Kevin:
Just a thought Flair heel turn to "mentor" Legacy? Flair is trying too hard in my eyes to "please" Dave. Just a thought.

Kev , just a quick comment regarding your reference to the Horseman . Unfortunately it's 2009 , not 1989 . And this is WWE not WCW . :)

Who wears slacks and a polo to a street fight?

The heels on RAW are very lacking. Orton is great (even though he is poorly booked) but after that your number 2 is Big Show? When he is on TV I just want to change the channel. Then you have Matt Hardy and Regal, then the Miz. That is pretty weak. MVP needs to go heel again, especially when HHH and HBK return.

Smackdown is the best show WWE has now. Top to bottom they have athletic, young guys who can give you good matches on a weekly basis. There are endless combinations to entertain the fans with. The best feud right now is Benjamin and Morrison for two reasons: 1) its new and 2) both guys can do crazy things in the ring.

jack in hebron,
The Horsemen were never good in WCW. They were GREAT in NWA :)

Let me just get one thing off my chest. You touched upon it but it needs to be really really emphasized and grinded in upon good because I am enormously pissed off about it. Wtf at Batista in regards to climbing and not coming out as soon as there was interference.

You'd think the guy is watching the match and will be out there the instant he finds Flair's in trouble after that promo in which he shows all of that affection for Batista. It took him about ten minutes to come out there once Legacy had interfered. What did he do, go out and get a burger? I'm like where in the hell is Batista? Yea, he promised not to interfere in the match between himself and Orton, but by the time Legacy interfered it was 3 on to match so the one on one was over. Some friend who sits in the back contemplating for ten minutes while three superstars are ganging up on his friend.

Also, what was going on at the end of the match? Hello! There's no top on the cage. Err... the guy is acting like it's Hell in a Cell. What he can't climb? If Batista can't climb, he must be heavily relying on winning the match by pinfall or going out the door this Sunday. That's pretty sad that a 6'6 guy who was 300 pounds can't climb. I just sat there in utter disbelief when Batista stood out there as if he were helpless when the man could have just climbed this cell. He started to climb then jumped down and got mad. What an idiot! That's pretty sad. I was hoping you'd address that before anything else.

Anyways, yea, I agree! a 60 year old man probably shouldn't have outdone the top superstar. Ric Flair was lighting Orton up though. It was very entertaining and I was just sitting there in horror for Orton. I felt bad for him. I was like 'jeezuz, take it easy Flair' All I saw was red covering Orton's chest and it looked disgusting. Entertainment wise, I would enjoy Flair dominating the match more because those chops entertaining. What does Orton do? Sit there and kick his opponent a hundred times but I totally understand where you're coming from.

This is more believable then Shane however. Nothing should be compared to that. Shane is never in the ring and doesn't have the experience Flair doesn. Flair's experience makes it more believable, then Shane McMahon.

Other thoughts: I thought MVP's match with Kofi Kingston was very very impressive. I love the way the match ended without making MVP look bad because he is a rising star with a lot of potential. It was a sudden, shocking ending rather than a more decisive ending. I think it was an important win for Kofi because that guy is so talented. I also love the way MVP lost. Good attitude. He does need to cool it a bit with that half smile but he's cool!

When Santino unleashed that slop on the two guys behind him, I was just wondering if he got the audience. I was like damn! He must have got some people in the front row!

I thought the funniest moment on Raw was a quick shot of a sign that said something along the lines of "Bring Back Kennedy". I was hoping that his release was a work, by with how quickly the shot switched to a different camera I think it is now obvious that it is not a work.

"When Santino unleashed that slop on the two guys behind him, I was just wondering if he got the audience. I was like damn! He must have got some people in the front row!"

if you watch after the segment you will see slop all over the rail covers and a black guy wiping his head!!

Good to see I wasn't the only one who noticed Maryse's cover on KK. If I was a male WWE wrestler, I might consider jobbing to her if she promised to cover me like that.:-)

I have new respext for Angelina Love after her in ring promo on Impact with Kong before the last PPV where she was saying how the beautiful people would convert her and she would no longer be such a "hideous beast". The look on Kongs face was priceless.

This was the funniest thing I have seen in any wrestling show in recent memory! Love and Kong played it out perfectly! Hats off!

RESPONSE FROM KE: If done properly, a strong heel faction could be great for business

The problem is, WWE has really dropped the ball with Legacy. Good stables of the past cut vignettes and promos that would make you care about the stable - love em or hate em. The Horsemen were shown in jet planes and partying, DX stormed WCW and mocked the Nation of Domination, even Evolution had their moments. But with Legacy, there's just no reason to be interested in them as a stable.

Ok seriousely, everyone who keeps bashing Flair, let's not forget that he is the greatest of all time. I'll admit WWE sucks right now, which is more reason they need Flair. Think about the 36 years he spent making you guys happy and giving you something to watch, let alone the fact that he has had the greatest career ever, He is an Actor and Competitor, it is in his blood. Nobody on here knows what that is like, he is still needed his mic skills boost ratings He is RIC FLAIR for crying out loud. You can't just tell somebody that has given his entire life to the business to just walk away behind a curtain. I agree a GM spot would be perfect, Flair knows he can't perform like he did in 1985 but he can still do 1995 and hell thats better than 75% of the talent in WWE. Let Flair do Flair and you do you and quit complaining. Chastise me all you want but I'm just stating fact if HBK really had a problem I'm sure Flair would step back, but without HHH right now Flair is the anecdote, they just need to use him better. I agree with the whole wrestling full booking again, I mean thats just silly; However Ric Flair is the best because he is the full package, He can deliver on more than just one spot. Nature Boy do what you love its your life, screw the legacy bullcrap, Your legacy began before WWE and will continue after WWE. Besides The money could help...hahaha. Long Live Flair!!!!

RESPONSE FROM KE: If Flair wanted to wrestle until he was 100, that would have been fine. He just shouldn't have given his word to WWE that he would retire after they gave him an unprecedented sendoff.

I really hope Flair eventually ends up a heel manager. He was really great with Triple H a few years back. He could be a Bobby Heenan level chicken**** manager :)

Andre - Correct you are ! :)

I'm not a big fan of Randy Orton. To me he's overexposed as a long term champion. Everything he does appears slow: speaking, walking, and wrestling. His range of moves is limited and his promos are repetitive and pedestrian.

It is almost like watching an old VHS tape where the speed is a bit slow and the soundtrack is distorted. He has a good look, an intriguing gimmick, some interesting entrace music and he appears to be a more mature and reliable guy.

But something appears missing -- perhaps the humour and creative dialogue that can put a top guy over the top.

The company clearly relied too heavily on Michaels, the Undertaker and HHH rather than developing the next generation of stars. The limits of that shortsighted strategy are now apparent.

Perhaps they can eventually move Morrison or Benjamin over to Raw. One of them could feud with DiBiase, who appears to be making good progress. Or perhaps MVP could be given a bigger role.

In terms of this exchange with Flair, though, I'm not as critical of Orton. Flair is a true legend and if he were to be used as a total jobber to put over Orton or anyone else his value to the company would soon be zero. Orton clearly showed respect to Flair. He could have done worse.

They appear to be having difficulty figuring out what to do with Flair. He's shown he will work elsewhere in the wrestling business and they obviously want to keep him on board.
It appears an awkward situation and I wonder if even they know where it is headed.

There are some similarities between WWE and the Orioles right now. For one, talent doesn’t seem to be an issue. Many guys in WWE and on the Orioles roster have limitless potential, yet many of them are not realizing that potential. We could compare Markakis, Reimold, and Wieters to Legacy. They are both groups of talented, young individuals who have a good shot at becoming some of the best in the world for their chosen profession. But somehow, they all seem to be stuck in the mud.

In addition, both WWE and the Orioles have the problem of inconsistency throughout the ranks. On the Orioles, you have guys like Scott and Jones tearing it up on offense, yet their efforts are squandered by Roberts and (dare I say it) Wieters. Compare Scott and Jones to Kofi Kingston and MVP. Their accomplishments are being overshadowed by absurd decisions like the booking of Santina and Vicky, which is as painful to watch as Jamie Walker giving up a home run virtually ever time he is called to the mound.

The only logical conclusion we can draw is that WWE and the Orioles have the same reasoning in terms of looking to the future, because there really is not much good in their respective products right now.

Hey, the Horsemen were good in WCW. When I saw Brian Pillman hold up the four fingers after a match on the Clash of the Champions in early 1996, my interest was caught and I got back into wrestling after a several month absence. Thanks to the horsemen and the start of the Cruiser Weight division, I became a huge WCW fan for the first time in several years. The original horsemen were the best, but they had some good moments in the 90s also.

I caught a little of Raw with the TV on mute except for the Flair/Orton fight. The brawl was fine. I agree that Orton looked ridiculously weak, but that's probably the point. The WWE doesn't want anyone to cheer for Orton, so they make him look awful so that people who like hearing his promos or seeing him punt people in the head will ultimately be frustrated by some aspect of his character. That aspect happens to be his wrestling skill and overall toughness.

Cody and Ted were much better off before they joined Legacy. They were arrogant, rich kids that dressed really preppy and picked on Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Now they have no personality at all. The WWE writers should go watch some 80s teen films (like Pretty in Pink or the Karate Kid) and learn what preppy heels are supposed to be like.

It sure is funny to me that you think that Randy got the snot beat out of him. He at least ran away from the ring. As I recall, Rick was taken away on a stretcher. At least that's how I clearly saw it from the front row of the second level at the BJCC. I don't know what they showed on TV.
The old man just needs to give it up already, go sit on the beach somewhere and sip on his Metamucil. He can't kick Randy's butt, that's why he stood there begging Batista to do it for him.
That's supposed to be a legend??? Sounds like a disgrace to me!!!! RKO Lives!

Awww Nikki,

She's cute, she is still one of the fans that buys into the kayfabe. Listen honey, wrestling is and always will be staged, not saying it isn't entertaining, but Ric Flair and Randy Orton are actually quite good friends outside the ring. The truth is there is the Hall of Fame, then ther is Ric Flair, he is bigger than the Hall of Fame. No one has been on top of the industry for that long. Thats why they can't get rid of him, there is nobody worthy of the torch Ric Flair carries. HBK, Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, HHH, Lou Thesz, Buddy Rogers, Bret Hart, Undertaker, Terry Funk, Randy Orton, they are all good. Ric Flair however is phenomenal. The people who can't admit it make me laugh. I would love to see the argument against Flair being the best because well it's WRONG. It's a shame that HHH might actually beat Ric's recognized title record (the real record is 20+) it to me is worse then making Taker lose at Wrestlemania. Ric Flair will always be marketable he has a curse and has found the fountain of youth and can still outperform 75% of the WWE Lockeroom, those who deny it really need to start reading their books again.

ok umm for starters i watched this match!!! I watch wrestling every week all three brands!!!! After the kick to the temple of flair i dont think flair will try to get revenge on orton!!!!!!!!! Maybe he will but i dont know!!!

I like The Rock most for his comments. Randy Orton is the worst booked WWE champion ever. I loved Flair. He was one of the popular one once.

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