I havent been able to watch WWE much lately but can someone tell me what happened between Mick Foley and Vince McMahon? Thanks

I have to criticize the Showstopper's performance in the match with Cade. Here's what I saw: not only did Michaels take Cade's finisher on the outside, but he took it through a table. And then, 45 SECONDS later, Michaels recovers, pulls out a haymaker, and goes to work on Cade. Is that Michael's fault or just bad booking? I'm not saying that the recovery necessary buries Cade, but it does make him look weak. Thoughts?

The dialogue during the Kelly-Jillian match was absolutely terrible. I would rather listen to Buddy Colt give commentary on a match than have to sit through anything like that ever again.

And Vince gave Mick an earful over his commentating and he allowed this crap on the air??!?!?!??!

The Hebner reference is too old. Not to mention, that was a central point of the angle, and the purpose of last night's entire program was just to kill time (with maybe the advancement of Orton's mystery as the exception)

Lillian was just spot-on with everything all night. Even the stuff not aired, such as the Batista power-up in stereo (Batista, Rey, Lillian, and Mike Chioda) and her rendition of the National Anthem, was great.

I don't know if it translated on broadcast, but the crowd was smoking hot all night. Shawn Michaels and Batista shared the top spot for pops - though I must say that HBK could have done vile, vile things to Cade and the crowd would have cheerfully and unrepentantly cheered him along.

Ziggler wasn't really received all that well, but "Rowdy" Charlie Piper got a great reception. I'm pretty sure the fans in the audience wanted to see him win.

I'm not sure what the 'E is going to do with Orton when he is back full time. Right now, he is getting a very mixed reaction. Some cheers, some boos, and very much a tweener sort of embrace from the crowd. It was the same at No Mercy.

It's a good thing that we're used to rain in Seattle! While we waited for admittance, it was raining but my friend and I noticed that we weren't the only ones sharing our umbrella! Others did too, so less folks were stuck in the pouring rain. I was a little worried that it might put a damper on the mood, but there was a ton of energy in that arena from start to finish.

I completely agree that the meetings shtick was a little strange. I would love to see Adamle reveal later that he wanted to see how deep a hole Jericho would dig for himself. Considering the brief period prior to the announcement of Adamle as GM was fraught with wrestlers making their own matches and crazy things happening, it would be nice little bit of continuity.

Otherwise, I'm glad to have watched the Kelly Kelly/Jillian match without the distraction of the battling commentary. (I've read that Cole and King tried unsuccessfully to draw attention back to the match a couple of times.) The girls put in a good effort for the short time.

Another note for those Cena segments: by the second one, the crowd was cheering for Cena. Not the entire crowd, but enough that it drowned out the inevitable boos.

I have a feeling that hoss will be santino's competitor at cyber sunday. He will either be the hassy tonk man, rowdy charlie piper, or hassdust. What do you think?

What purpose did the Michaels-Cade match serve?

All it did was hurt Michaels more and it made Cade look horrible for using to a 50 year old one day after one of the most physically taxing matches of his career.

What was intelligent about that?

If we don't get Santino v. Honky Tonk Man, I might lose my faith in the common wrestling fan.

I thought the interplay between Miz & Morrison and Cryme Tyme was a little much. I'm guessing a lot of the banter was unscripted, because the heels -Miz & Morrison - came out on top of the "verbal spar," in my opinion.

At least it gave us something to distract us from that awful Kelly Kelly match. I understand that great women wrestlers are the exception and not the rule, but I can't stand watching Kelly Kelly obviously set up her spots and mess up even the simple things in a match.

Also, I don't know if this has been brought up, but does anybody else think "Kelly Kelly" is the stupidest name ever? It's even worse than "Dolph Ziggler," "Marcus Cor Von," and "Braden Walker" put together.

Michaels is 43, not 50.

To answer the question, however, I believe that the purpose for the Cade/Michaels match going how it did is to further enforce continuity. We've seen Jericho leave Cade to take the punishment or retribution that should be dished out to him. Here, he wanted to use Cade to do his dirty work - sending him a battered Michaels to finish off - but Jericho didn't care if the notoriously resilient Michaels turned the tables and beat Cade. It didn't matter to Jericho. It's part of the brilliant gimmick that Jericho has now. He's interested in himself only. Save Me, not Save Us. Everything that happened was part of the story. Jericho fed Cade to Michaels, hoping Cade would further injure Michaels, but not caring if Cade was hurt in the process.

Cade's finisher is a sit-out power bomb. That doesn't make every type of power bomb into his finisher. So what he did was a regular move, through a table.

And haven't we been hearing for years how resilient Michaels is? The announcers have been saying it several times per match for as long as he's been wrestling in the 'E. It's not like he took that much before that particular move.

The point was to advance the story and keep Michaels in a short appearance due to being battered in ladder match the night before and wrestling for all of the fans with an injured triceps.

It succeeded.

So. Us slobs that don't have cellies, much less text messaging, don't get to vote on this year's Cyber Sunday matches. Good. Gives me less reason to watch, not that I have much incentive yet anyway. Never cared much for Honky and the other two don't thrill me with their current wrestling abilities, though I still love to hear Piper on the mike. And though everyone's jonesing for an SCSA appearance, I think it would be a better match with HBK reffing.

Thank you, I thought I was the only one that tought cryme time & morrison & miz was horrible

After seeing the three options Monday night, there was no doubt in my mind that Santino would be facing Haas in some form or fashion at Cyber Sunday.

Martin is right. It will either be Haas-dust (or Gold-Haas), Rowdy Charlie Piper, or the "Haas"-y Tonk Man. I'm hoping for the last one, with a cameo by the real Honky - maybe even costing Marella the belt.

Also, I agree with the post about Kelly Kelly. If they want the fans to take her seriously as a Diva who can actually perform in the ring, they need to change her name - perhaps just to one Kelly.

Thinking about it with goldust in the list i have a feeling it will be Charlie Hass who comes to the match i just cant see Goldust appearing in the ring again

The cross talk between Cryme Tyme and Miz & Morrison was so awful that I was hoping Jillian would break out into song.

Kev great column, You didnt mention this in your Raw review (not suprised since we all no HBK is your boy) but am I the only one who noticed Morrison's line about HBK wearing his pants pulled up around his neck during the Cryme Time/ Miz and Morrison segment. That my friend was PriceLess. Lets go Steelers!!

I was thinking that maybe Randy Orton was going to get involved in the main event by either helping batista win by making the 3 count or just rko everyone in the ring to end the show with no one as the winner.

Kev, the Bogeyman's returning! I bet your estatic.

And I think Khali not answering Knoxville's question on if everything is, um, proportioned correctly shows us the real answer.

Kev - Steph , Shane , and Adamle just needed an excuse to watch MNF.

actually, Kelly Kelly is a refferance to the show CHEERS. Woody was dating a girl named Kelly and he wrote a song about her that was just the word Kelly repeated over and over and over. Pretty funny stuff. and she isnt that bad a wrestler...

I saw Honky Tonk wrestle in Youngstown, Ohio, last month. His match was horrible, but he wasn't too shabby on the mic. I hope Honky beats Santino for the belt, resetting his Honk-o-Meter, but then the match restarts moments later, with Santino winning the belt back in seconds, making Honkey the shortest reigning Intercontinental Champion in addition to the longest reigning. That way, fans can get the joy of seeing Honky with the belt again — he carries a belt with him on the indie scene, but its a rip-off NWA/World Heavyweight Championship belt — and also save some face for Santino.

on ECW did you catch Matt Strikers impression of Stone Cold? it was SPOT on!!! i love that dude as a commentator.

To Mina:

Now why try to get technical to the point where you seem sarcastic? Then I feel compelled to get technical to correct you.

But first, let me say that I was wrong. He didn't use his finisher on HBK to put him through a table. So Mina, you were right there. However, it wasn't a powerbomb either, and it sure wasn't a "regular move." Wikipedia says he did a standing version of the ura-nage driver. It's essentially the same thing as his finisher (which is a sitdown side slam spinebuster, not a powerbomb). I'm guessing he didn't sit-down on that one because, well, with the table there and all, I'd imagine it'd be difficult to put his legs out.

Now, I don't care how "resilient" they try to make Shawn Michaels. If you take a move to the outside, you stay down for a bit. If you take a move through a table, you stay down for a bit. IF YOU TAKE A MOVE THROUGH A TABLE TO THE OUTSIDE, YOU STAY DOWN FOR A BIT. And you don't no-sell unless you're Hogan, especially when you're no-selling to a guy you claimed you trained.

I opine that there's a science to wrestling. Part of that science is selling. HBK no-sold. That's my point, and it's a valid one that could stand without your weirdo, technical criticism. You want to be a mark for HBK, fine, but get your stuff straight before you go correcting others.

You know, Dennis, there is absolutely no reason for this to turn into a personal insult-fest.

I was not at all being sarcastic. Rather, I was attempting to show a different perspective. Re-watching the match, you're right, it's a spinebuster, not a powerbomb for both his finisher and what happened through the table.

You argue that once you take a move through a table, you ought to stay down for a bit.

I agree.

In watching the match, Cade slammed HBK into the table. Cade then dragged him and threw him back in the ring. A full minute and a few seconds later, after Cade spent time going for a chair, then banging it against the ring post, he climbed into the ring and raised the chair. Meanwhile, HBK had stayed down for the entire minute, writhing and trying to claw his way across the ring, and finally dragging himself to his feet by the ring ropes before launching himself at Cade.

I fully agree with you that part of wrestling should include selling. I simply disagree that HBK no-sold the crash through the table.

I am genuinely curious - what would have constituted selling the crash through the table for you?

Staying down for a bit.

Staying down for a bit.

Ok. I get that, but what does "a bit" mean to you? In 7+ minutes, the first three of which were ring entrances, he stayed down for over a minute. Sure, he didn't just lie there in the broken remnants of the table, but Cade had picked him up and threw him in the ring.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree on this point, if you like. I think he sold it pretty well, staying down for over a minute and writhing in pain. You don't. That's cool by me.

Mina (hello) , and Dennis , - all respect to each opinion , step back , take a breath , don't over anaylize , and remember it's for entertainment purposes ie: fun .
Sorry to butt in !