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Would you be willing to give Mark Teixeira a mulligan?


I am back. The bar is open. Hope you are thirsty.

Not sure where to start. We could talk about the Ravens and that big win against the Denver Broncos. But that’s old news now.

We could talk about the upcoming game against the Bengals, but we still have some time for that.

We could discuss the Orioles’ recent moves, but they are so minor they are not worth your hard-earned two cents. Instead, we are going to rehash one of our favorite subjects – at least since this dive has been open.

While I’ve been off, I have been keeping one bleary eye on the World Series. And one thing is apparent to me: Baltimore’s curse on previously favorite son Mark Teixeira seems to working.

At least partially.

Teixeira, a career .290 hitter, is batting .172 this postseason. He has just four extra-base hits in 67 plate appearances in the New York Yankees’ three playoff series.

Still, heading into Wednesday night’s Game 6, Teixeira is one win away from a World Series championship ring, the ultimate prize that Baltimore’s voodoo doctors kept away from Mike Mussina for all those years in pinstripes.

If Teixeira wins one – and I’m pretty sure he is going to – we’ll have to line up shots on the bar for many of you.

When Teixeira signed with the Yankees last December and said at his news conference that he dreamed of being a Yankee and wore a Yankees hat to Camden Yards, many of you immediately cursed him.

Deep down, though, you know how good he is. And you also know what the Orioles most need right now to compete is a power-hitting first baseman in his prime who is either a switch-hitter or a right-handed hitter. Teixeira, who grew up in Severna Park, really was the perfect fit.

I am not asking you to cry over spilled beer. But here is my fictitious scenario for the day. Assume for a minute that Tex could opt out of his Yankees contract after one year and that shiny ring on his finger if he said he wanted to come home.

Would you let bygones be bygones and welcome the prodigal son into the Orioles’ nest? Or did he lose you forever at that press conference, no matter how much he would help your team?

Here are the ground rules: If he came back, he wouldn’t have to apologize for his previous comments. He wouldn’t have to give back his ring. He’d still cost the Orioles $180 million or so. But he’d be with the Orioles at a time when they could really use him.

Well, what do you do?

Daily Think Special: Would you be willing to give Mark Teixeira a mulligan and an olive branch?

Comments

NO! NO! NO!

He's a sellout who broke the hearts of all of us local fans. I came home everyday spending alot of time on the web just hoping I would see a rumor that he was close to signing with us. Only to rip our hearts out. Hate him. Would never want him. Period

I'd drive him down from New York if that's what it took. Heck, if Derek Jeter wanted to come, too, that's fine by me.

Of course I would. Who could blame him, more money and a chance to be with a contender, I would have done the same.

In a word.....NO!!!!!!!!!!

If he brings us a championship, welcome home Mark,

anyone who wouldn't want mark teixeira on their team is out of their mind. i don't care where he's played. not going to happen and i hate his guts, but if he wanted to play for the birds, i'm a-ok with that.

I'd welcome him back to OPACY in a New York minute.

Dan, Absolutely. Why hold a grudge when you can get a bat and glove like that? Even better, you at the same time put a serious dent in the Yankees lineup. Definitely a win-win scenario in my mind, a no-brainer.

This is the worst question you have ever posed on this blog. The reason we are fans, is to hate people like Tex. I would welcome him to Camden Yards like I would welcome the bubonic plague to my immune system. One of the most fun things about being an Orioles fan is hating New York Yankees. Please dont bring such blasphemous questions to the bar anymore. This one hurt a little bit.

DUH! of course I'd take him--it's not like he played here first and defected to the yanks(mussina)...i thought the O's made a nice offer for him last year. Ready to contend or not, any chance you have to add a switch-hitting, gold gloving, flag-court crushing young player to the middle of your line-up you do it. He'd fit right into the 3 or 4 hole nicely would'nt he? Hey, Huff became a fan favorite after his comments did'nt he? funny how productivity and being a good guy in the clubhouse erases a lot of anger isnt it? Now if you had asked the same question about Mussina a year or two ago, the answer is no--the ONLY half-@$$ reason to be even a shred happy if the Yanks win?? no ring for Mikey--again.

Odds are better at playing the lottery as a retirement plan.

He burned his bridges. . . using dollar bills to light the fire.

NO!

NOOOOOOOO!

I'd be willing to give him a mulligan, his whole contract, a parade in his honor, his own street, and anything else he could possibly want.

Of course he can come to the O's. Until he does, though, he's a traitor, and should be treated as such. If he were to realize the errors of his ways, he is more than welcome to come home and play in Baltimore. Obviously, this will never happen, unless he's very near retirement, and is unproductive. At that time, I would tell him, "It's too late, we've moved on. Your services are no longer wanted here." (Like I have a say in the issue!)

No, he's a loser that needs other players to earn his ring for him. Maybe he'll contribute something tonight or tomorrow, but the guy is hitting below .100 in the series. He's not a leader and he knows it. That's why he signed with the yankees because he's happy living in other people's shadows. He can't be counted on to help us win anything.

This reminds me of one of those "Man Law" beer commercials, where one guy asks how long you have to wait after a girl breaks up with your buddy before you can ask her out. Burt Reynolds answers, "Forever - if she breaks up with your buddy she breaks up with you." Then the first guy says, "But what if she's really hot?" Burt: "Okay, six months."

Sure, Tex broke a lot of hearts here in Baltimore but it's kind of like the head cheerleader going to the prom with the quarterback instead of the guy that plays tuba in the marching band. Just because she smiled at him and grew up next door doesn't mean she was ever really interested in the tuba player. So I can't fault Tex for going for the best chance to make it to the Series right away.

At least he didn't call Baltimore a "horse[bleep] town".

I'd even take the third baseman the Yankees have if it was a package deal.

I'd might give him a mohawk and let the scissors slip a few times but certainly not a mulligan or an olive branch!
His ego and greed are bigger than the rest of the O's team and they don't need a born liar and traitor.
Stay on the dark side in the Evil Empire.

I think loyalty is an important element when it comes to building and shaping the personnel of a ballclub.
And in baseball, loyalty is exactly what it is..... a faithfulness to a particular team, regardless of it's fortunes and regardless of the monetary temptations offered by others.
The Orioles did not offer Mark Teixeria peanuts this past winter. They made an offer of $140 million.
There comes a point in such numbers where the millions become extraneous.
I mean, how many millions does a person really need? How many can they even use?
So obviously, Teixeria told the truth when he said he had dreamed of being a Yankee.
He signed with them not because they offered a few more millions than the Orioles did.... but because that's where his heart led him.
He made his choice.... he proclaimed it.... and now, God bless him, his dream is coming true.
Let him stay in his dream, with his dream team. I hold no grudge.
Everything goes in cycles.
The Yankees seem to have reached a pinnacle this season.... though the World Series is still yet to be decided.... but they will not prevail indefinitely.
If Texieria ever says he'd like to come play for the Orioles, I would put it to him this way: Mark.... you had your chance back in 2009 and you chose to go elsewhere. I'm sorry.... but loyalty means something to me.... and obviously, yours changes with the winds of fortune.
Good luck to you.

Would I want him on the Orioles, sure, he's a great player and anyone know said no is just doing out of spite. Would I priase him like the second coming of Cal, no, he showed everyone his true colors last winter, its all about the dollars. He had a chance to be something special here, the hometown kid who came back to reingnite his old team. If he came back now I'd see him just as another player.

I have no negative feelings at all about Texeira, but we don't want him right now! Heck, we don't even want Pujols, or Sabathia! This team has at least five holes in its 25-man roster, and several more in the very important 40-man roster. What would one superstar get us, another five wins next year? That's still last place. Teams which are solid all around add a star in order to reach the next level. You buy the fancy mag wheels with the little spinners on them AFTER you've got the car actually running. They look pretty silly on a car that's up on blocks.

Absolutley not! He is where he wants to be , let him stay there, he wouldn't put the O's over the top anyway! The O's need consistent tough pitching or they will never win, and with all the potential the new O's pitchers have we still do not know if any of them will ever develop into top flight pitchers until they do it, all potential means is ain't done S__t yet!!! Get more pitching!!! there is one sure fire way to win baseball games and titles, PITCHING, PITCHING, and MORE PITCHING!!!

I have no negative feelings at all about Texeira, but we don't want him right now! Heck, we don't even want Pujols, or Sabathia! This team has at least five holes in its 25-man roster, and several more in the very important 40-man roster. What would one superstar get us, another five wins next year? That's still last place. Teams which are solid all around add a star in order to reach the next level. You buy the fancy mag wheels with the little spinners on them AFTER you've got the car actually running. They look pretty silly on a car that's up on blocks.

It actually has nothing to do with Tex. If the O's would have offered Tex the 10/$200 that he asked for, he would have been an Oriole. Period. The O's messed around and acted like they were a real franchise where they could be part of a market transaction. It was absurdly delusional and cost them and will continue to cost them dearly.

Again, don't let anyone tell you otherwise - if Angelos made the 10/$200 offer as a take it or leave it right off the bat - Tex would have been an Oriole. And even if not, at least the Yankees would have had to pay more.

I have no negative feelings at all about Texeira, but we don't want him right now! Heck, we don't even want Pujols, or Sabathia! This team has at least five holes in its 25-man roster, and several more in the very important 40-man roster. What would one superstar get us, another five wins next year? That's still last place. Teams which are solid all around add a star in order to reach the next level. You buy the fancy mag wheels with the little spinners on them AFTER you've got the car actually running. They look pretty silly on a car that's up on blocks.

Give me a break, of course. I have been to two playoff games at Yankee stadium, including Game 2 of the ALDS which he won for the Yanks. The atmosphere was electric and the whole place is about winning. Say what you will about payroll disparity, but that is an organization that I would want to play for. I called him a traitor before the year, but you know what? Now I can't even imagine him making the decision to come to Baltimore instead. He made the right choice. As soon as the FO puts together a real winner, then maybe we can gnash our teeth about hometown boys who choose to play for a contender. Until then, get over it.

AINT NO WAY!!!

Dan, glad your back. A bunch of us were worried that your "time off" was similar to the "time off" Steve Philipps received from August up to the point he was canned. To settle a little side bet I have with CSB Jack & CB Coacha, please clarify why you were off?

Back to the question....OK, if this was fantasy land and we had this option....I'd let bygones be bygones, invite him in for a drink on his first night back, introduce him to the guys and then gently remind him not to do this to us again. Ever. Geez, could you see his bat/glove in our lineup for the next 5-7 years.

Gimme a Dos Equis.....and a round for everyone since your back.

I would welcome him w/open arms. He'd help us out and hopefully be a force whenever we played the Yanks.
You can't blame him for what he did- he did what was best for him (i.e., tons of money and an annual chance to be in the playoffs and World Series).

We are made at some one who went to work players like Derek Jeter instead of Ty Wigginton, live where he wants to live (just because you are born somewhere, doesn't mean you have to stay there your whole life), knows what Angelos has done to the organization, and make more money.

He did what was best for him. not for you. I don't blame him one bit.

We are made at some one who went to work players like Derek Jeter instead of Ty Wigginton, live where he wants to live (just because you are born somewhere, doesn't mean you have to stay there your whole life), knows what Angelos has done to the organization, and make more money.

He did what was best for him. not for you. I don't blame him one bit.

I would welcome him w/open arms. He'd help us out and hopefully be a force whenever we played the Yanks.
You can't blame him for what he did- he did what was best for him (i.e., tons of money and an annual chance to be in the playoffs and World Series).

Anyone above who said "NO" would have forgotten their previous opinion as soon as Tex belted his first home run in an Os uniform. I'll curse him as long as he is with the Yank-me's, but if he were here, I'd lead a standing ovation.

I'd carry him by piggy back. And apologize personally for all the booing.

Get a grip people. We hate him because he's a traitor, but really we hate him because he shunned us and we know how damn good he is and how much he'd help us. Adding Tex would give us the second best lineup in the league and have us thinking wild card this year. I'll take that over any self-created personal betrayal.

Oh, and if Moose wants to come be our 5th starter, I'd probably take him back too even at this age. Can't be any worse than the schmucks (sorry Peter) we have.

I don't get it. How is Teixera a traitor? The O's didn't draft him; he never played for us. Yes, he's from the area. If you use that as criteria for determining whether or not he's a traitor, then every pro baseball and football player from the Baltimore metro area who became a free agent and chose not to sign with the O's or the Ravens is a traitor. Every high school athelete who chose to go to play college sports outside the state of Maryland is a traitor. He may have strung the O's (and us) along before signing with the Yankees. But deep down in your souls, 99%+ percent of you would have signed for the combination of the money and the best chance to win a championship now.
I would take him in a heartbeat, welcome him with open arms, enjoy watching him at OPACY, and question his judgement for wasting his best years on a team that is still several players away from being a contender!

Of course I would take him back for the sake of winning, but I'd rather that he stayed where he is. I'd give anything to get a better 1B and win the AL championship against him and his love ones.

NO WAY !!! The thought of him coming back to Baltimore is as repulsive as the reincarnation of Bob Irsay. How in the world can any true Baltimorean even consider this move. It was bad enough he shunned his home town team and truly none of us could blame him for wanting as much money as he could get. We also understand his desire to play for a winner. If so then go to Boston,the Angels, Phillies, Dodgers, anywhere but to the hated $$$ankees. Shame on Mark Texeira.

absolutely, He still is very generous with his involvment at Mt St Joe High School. He is the single reason that we now have a new football stadium and theatre.. Because of men like Mark, Mt St Joe can continue to thrive during these difficult times. Even though you are not an Oriole, Mark you are still one of the great St Joe Alunms

Umm, how's about HELL YES!!!!

I assume under this "hypothetical", Hanley Rameriz, Felix Hernandez, Ryan Zimmerman, and Zach Greinke all decide to come to Baltimore too.

...but there's hope....JOE MAUER will be a free agent next year, and since the Yankees took our 1B, the O's need to take their Catcher. Let's learn from the Tex sweepstakes, that putting up 2nd best money isn't going to get anything, and BLOW JOE MAUER away with a 10 year 245$ Million dollar deal.

JOE MAUER...it must be done.

Dan, You never told us...would you take him back?

paulie, Who wouldn't want Mauer, but then what do the Orioles do with Wieters? DH? First base? Or let Matt catch and stick Joe in one of those spots? Or maybe alternate them to save those knees?

It would be a great problem to have, wouldn't it!

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Barkeep's Reply: Ken, I would. In a heartbeat. Because of my job, emotions are never in play. Teixeira is the perfect fit for what the Orioles need the most.

Not sure we'd have room. Where would we put Mike Aubrey?

Dan - what happened to the posts between 8:53 and 11:09 yesterday morning? Do I have to attempt to recreate my incredibly witty and insightful post that seems to be missing, perhaps along with those of some other worthy patrons? And did you notice that Roch has flattered you by adopting the question of the day type approach? Even if he doesn't take a couple weeks off, not that there's anything wrong with that... But he doesn't serve beer either, so you've still got that going for you, which is nice.

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Barkeep's Reply: I'll look into what happened to the comments. And I have to talk to Rocco about that.

Hell, NO! Let him stay on the Yankees. I hope he's caught doing steroids, banned from baseball and never heard from again. He's the worst kind of Yankee and any self-respecting O's fan should reject him and boo him mercilessly.

No way. Obviously, as an Orioles fan, winning is secondary to my love of the team. I cannot fathom how anyone from Baltimore, having grown up and seen what horrible, ugly people Yankees fans are would want them cheering for him. Good riddance. Let the fairweather fans get off on dreams of having a team full of millionaire douchebags. I'd rather watch a young team learn and grow into something real, not bought.

Oriole fans are like the ugly chick in high school that gets asked to the prom by the star jock, who only asks her in order to get his hot girlfriend jealous. He dumps the ugly chick the first chance he has to score with the "Babe". If he should ever tell the ugly chick that he is sorry and wants another chance, it is just a set-up. Ugly chick gets her hopes up all over again, but she is just being a sucker. Ugly chicks and Oriole fans need to learn to deal with reality, and realize that they are better off with someone who really wants them. Besides, Tex is a wad anyway.

why not? he is a baseball player in a business, and he made a business decision to go to new york, and used teams like the orioles to up his paycheck in NY. He ain't no Cal Ripken or Brooks Robinson, he doesn't deserve that kind of love and respect from the fans, but I certainly would welcome him here, strictly as a business decision, nothing more, nothing less.

I'd take him in a "New York" minute!

Can he pitch?

Well, I am a long-time loyal Orioles fan born and raised in Anne Arundel County. Dad still lives there. We saw the Colts leave.

I live in upstate New York now and buy Sunday Ticket to watch Ravens games and listen the O's on an AM radio with crap reception like it was short-wave.

No Tex. He IS a Yankee. I have taken the brunt from Yankee Fans for years and one day, I'll give it back.

NO TEX. He ain't an Oriole.

Vomit.... Then sign Doug Mientkiewicz as our prized slugger for the offseason.

I hate to burst your little bubble, people, but loyalty does not exist! Say Daniel Cabrera was a local native, played HS ball here, owned a house here, ate crab cakes and drank National Boh every day. Should the O's keep him on the roster because of loyalty. No flipping way! The club ought to make a sound baseball decision on whether Cabrera is good for the team. And if Tex had come here last year, stayed 15 years, and then was an aging has-been dragging the team down, should the O's keep him? Again, the right move would be to look at the facts, not at any phony "loyalty" or such. So since the team quite properly has zero loyalty to its players, Tex or anyone else would be a fool to feel any loyalty to a team. It's a buy-and-sell world, always has been, always will be.

SURE!!! He can have a Mulligan, as long as he is teeing up a ball full of unstable explosives.

Vomit?

I think we have some good, young prospects that are almost ready and we can grow them here and keep them here.

Yes, it's a business and yes, loyalties are a thing of the past. But character is character and it'e either good or it's bad.

I just don't think Tex would be a good fit, at this point. The Orioles are improving, albeit, painfully slowly, but we need to say focused on the plan and not mortgage the future.

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