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February 9, 2010

Orioles: What a relief...Hendrickson signs

The Orioles obviously didn't want another big snowstorm to delay the signing of reliever Mark Hendrickson, so they got it done a little while ago and designated right-hander Armando Gabino for assignment. Both moves had been pretty obvious for several weeks, but some logistical issues kept the situation on hold.

The O's also just announced that they have signed left-handed reliever Will Ohman to a minor league deal and invited him to major league training camp. That also had been percolating for awhile. Dan Connolly reported last week that the O's had offered Ohman a contract and Jeff Zrebiec posted a blog item here Friday night saying he was their top choice of the remaining left-handed specialists on the market.

Don't know if the front office will have anything else to report over the next few days, and I'm not holding my breath. Pitchers and catchers report to Sarasota in just nine days.

Posted by Peter Schmuck at 1:31 PM | | Comments (76)
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Mardi Gras in Baltimore tonight......

I'm sorry, this is just too much to handle.

Millwood, Atkins, Miggy, (what's that closers name who has never really had success as a closer?), and now Hendrickson?

STOP IT! YOU'RE LYING PETE!

You shouldn't mess with us like this....

They'll be singing 'let's get out of the 60's' down Pratt street tonight. Just don't forget your beads.

wayne -

Still not getting the whole "Mike Gonzalez has no success as a closer" bit. Especially since you seemed to consider George Sherrill as a successful closer.

Gonzalez: 54 saves, 12 blown saves
Sherrill: 56 saves, 15 blown saves

Gonzalez had a rough year closing in 2009 (10 saves in 17 ops), but prior to that he was 44 for 49 from '04-'08.

Rag on Gonzalez's injury history. Rag on the O's for paying him too much. But it doesn't make much sense to rag on his abilities as a late inning reliever.

Stop the presses!!! With the latest signings, the Orioles are sure to move out of last place and are now a lock for 4th in the division.

nb,

For a second, I thought you may be kidding. But then again, maybe you're not.....

Sherrill 52 saves the past 2 seasons
Gonzo 24 saves the last 2 seasons (10 in 09')

And let's look at Sherrills O's 09' stats before he was traded to LA? You're good with those kind of #'s.

Nothing against Gonzo, as I actually think he's likely he best pick up of brutal off season. But please don't sell me on his history as a closer.... And save the K breakdowns. I see what the guy has done overall in crunch time.

I'm surprised at you!

Wow,

You caused me to look even deeper nb, Of Gonzo's 12 blown saves you mentioned, 7 of them were last year.

So this great new closer had 10 saves, with 7 blown saves in 09'?

It's really hard to make this stuff up...... ugh!

Ohman pitched 6.2 innings against lefties last year...and gave up 4 HR!!!

I don't know how we can call him a LH specialist with these numbers. And we're counting on him to shut down Big Poppy and Texiera in key situations. I really see no value in this signing.

Pete,
are the O's done after this move?

Chang,

They were done before this move.

MARK HENDRICKSON?

AWWWWWW YYYYYEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

Wayne - Blown "holds" count as blown saves so you should include the 17 holds he recorded. Really he blew 7 out of 34 chances. Not great but not awful.

Here's some "Goofy" stats on Gonzalez in '09 (shout out for Not Brooks).

In games late in close, he held opponents to a .223 BA, but his BAbip -which measures the defense behind him - was at .288 BAbip.

With 2 outs and RISP, he held opponents to a .188 BA, but his BAbip was at a .292 (a bit terrible, yet out of his control).

For the entire overall season, he held runners to a .209 BA, but his BAbip was at a .288. And remember that errors doesn't effect batting average.

So therefore, it only shows that the pitcher is only as good as the defense behind him, and Saves can sometimes be a meaningless stat (remember the "save" that Rangers pitcher got in the 30-3 loss?). Also, I'm not saying that his blown saves last year wasn't directly his his fault because I don't feel like going through his '09 season Splits. I'm just say there's more to the story then 10-17 in save opps.

Parlay bet.

Orioles wins versus inches of snow Baltimore get this year.

Snow looks good at this point.

Better yet, how many days until training camp?

Peter,
Instead of more "filler" posts, you should've lobbied the O's to hold one of the announcements until tomorrow.

Thanks for all the info and all the hard work putting the blog together. I do one on Penn State football and I had no idea how much work it was until I started doing it myself. You make it look so easy a caveman could do it.

WE'RE NOT GIVING UP 4TH PLACE WITHOUT A FIGHT

BTW, WE HAD 8 GUYS FROM OUR PITCHING STAFF ON THE DL FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME LAST SEASON

C'mon, wayne, a brutal off season? You hurt your cred when you say things like that.

Atkins - A worthy gamble at a position the Orioles already have several options. If he shows anything, and right now there's no reason to believe he won't, at least until his first regular season AB, the Orioles win the gamble. He comes here with something to prove.

Tejada - Outstanding signing. If they really believe Bell is just a year away, you can do a lot worse for a one year player than Tejada. No less an authority than Ripken thinks Miggy can be successful at 3B, and so does Mr. Hoover. I will not argue with them(and I hope you don't either). If Miggy has the kind of offensive season of which he is capable and Bell progresses as they hope, there's always the July trading deadline, or even an extension of Tejada's contract if they need to. This move gives them much flexibility and options.

Millwood - A solid veteran who only cost a reliever you didn't like anyway. An innings eater who is not intimidated by the AL East, Millwood brings order to the rotation and gives young pitchers like Tillman and Arrieta further time to develop.

Hendrickson - Another good signing, keeping this guy. Remember, the smaller signings are also very important. He is a steady middle relief guy who can go long if needed.

Mike Gonzales - The anointed closer brings much more experience to the role than Sherrill had before he was anointed closer after the Bedard trade. Rafeal Soriano was the main closer for the Braves last year, and I suspect many of Gonzo's blown saves were in the sixth or seventh inning. That's the bane of set up men. Everyone in baseball says he has the stuff to be a successful closer, I will not argue with them. His settling in at the back end of the bullpen makes everyone's roles more defined and puts J Johnson back where he should be. The question is, will Trembley be able to work the pen the way they should be? Big question.

Ohman, Startup, et al - Ohman, if nothing else, provides depth for the system. Before he was hurt, he had a coouple of nice years for the Cubs. Startup is another piece for Norfolk who might get a cup in the bigs this year. If Sarfate is recovered from his circulation problem of last year, you've got a guy with mid 90s stuff and a ton of movement.

Even though MacPhail has been a complete and utter flop at his previous two stops, he has been able to somehow bring talent and depth to the Orioles. I'm glad to see he has learned something from his past failures. All that's left is to give the guys time to jell and learn and hopefully a nice souffle will be the result.

Does anyone remember when wayne and the like would complain about the O's payroll decreasing? This is from Cot's Baseball Contracts (I highly suggest you google it)...

2007: $ 93,554,808
2008: $ 67,196,246
2009: $ 67,101,666*

* The 2009 figure does not count Will Ohman's contract.

So, we got rid of bad contracts from 07-08, (Gibbons, Hernandez, Tejada, etc.) That sounds like a win for me.

Then from 08 - 09 we got rid of more bad contracts (Mora, Huff, etc.) and have raised payroll. Sounds like a win to me. Getting rid of overpaid players while still growing the budget (ever so slightly). Sounds like a team dedicated to growth and a solid plan to me.

I could be wrong though. But, I wouldn't bet on it.

pablo, it takes a SPECIAL lefty to give up all those hr's to LH hitters.

Jeff,

I wouldn't either. Many good points.

But I'm sure our good buddy wayne will have a rebuttal.

Orioles Have Some Interest In Jarrod Washburn
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [February 9 at 3:49pm CST]
The Orioles have some interest in Jarrod Washburn, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. However, Morosi's source says that Scott Boras would have to lower his client's price "pretty far" for the Orioles to become serious bidders for Washburn.

We've been hearing for a while that Washburn would prefer to pitch for the Twins or Mariners. Playing in the AL East would be a difficult way for the lefty to re-establish his value.

The Orioles are unlikely to add Todd Wellemeyer, Braden Looper or John Smoltz, according to Morosi's source. Two clubs who are looking for bargain starters: the pitching-deep Blue Jays and the Mets.

Signing would meaning getting into a contract the O's would regret. He had a good year last year, which he what Boras is trying to bank on. He's a slightly younger version of Millwood.

I'd rather see the O's take a chance on Wang if anything.

oh my,,,,,,,,,,,,,

First of all, those defending Gonzo as anything close to a proven closer are simply special people. I don't mind taking a shot on the guy, but to say he's a legitimate and tested closer? There really is no comeback to that!

And ken, while I could write a book, I'll keep it short.

Atkins - omg, you're defending this guy? Why would I even type his numbers?

Millwood - Would have been good if he were # 2 of the staff. Please look at 07' and 08' though. The reason he's on the O's is that Texas and others feel he'll revert back to his norm....

Tejada - I love Miggy (from years ago). Some say he may be 38 or 39. He's fine though, but would be even better if they picked up a real player at 1st.

Hendrickson - Average reliever

Gonzo - Worth the gamble

Startup, etc - You even listed them?

This team won 64 games last year ken. Two key players are coming off major injury's and we basically have 3 rookies in the starting rotation. And these are the FA's that will help make this team a winner?

I wish I were wrong, but this is going to get ugly by mid season.

I don't want to win our bet, but it won't be close.


Wayne

If you're refering to me, I wasn't defending Gonzalez. He's stats show that his defense didn't do him much justice. Plus, he's was never really tested as closer other then a relatively small sample size. I see 10 of 17, but I choose to look deeper then that. And I provide stats, because as you say, the numbers don't lie....

I'll let you know how I feel at the end of the season after a full year of closing is under his belt. Sorry, I don't have a crystal ball and I don't make gut assumptions.

That does it! My prediction is now ... 74 wins!

The Hendrickson signing officially doesn't lower it.

Woohoo!

wayne -

I just find it hard to say that a guy who once recorded 24 saves in 24 chances "has never really had success as a closer".

But I know how difficult it is for you to give credit to anyone who wears an Orioles uniform, so I guess we'll take baby steps from here.

Waspman,

Now that the roster is set, I am not really sure just what to expect in 2010. The roster looks better but not what I thought it would look like when the season ended last year. I thought for sure that Macphail would add at least one marquee player and another starting pitcher. Because of the uncertainty with the starting pitching I think you are probably about right and maybe a little high in wins.

One thing for sure, they have got to get 6 or more innings from the starters to avoid the second half meltdown and I'm not sure they can. Tillman is going to throw a lot of pitches and his pitch count will be high by the 5th inning. I hope that Bergenson, Tillman and Matusz can avoid injury, but young pitchers are vulnerable once they start to get stretched out at the major League level.

I'll make gut assumptions (my gut powered by Newcastle!)

Gonzales will have a good year closing. 32 for 39...at the end of the year, a lot of teams would take that.

Millwood, solid but unspectacular. The reason he's on the Os is his 12m dollar salary.

Guthrie reverts back to '07 and '08 #s

Matusz strong season...remember, he started rough last year. before one of his last games, he said he saw something watching film and we'd see a different pitcher and he went out and threw 7 STRONG innings. Xcellent stuff and a brain to go with it!

Wouldn't be surprised to see Bell up earlier than expected in a DH/1b rotation with Adkins...if they can move Luke Scott.

I don't expect a special season. this club will better than last season if only because they'll be more settled coming out of spring training. they'll be able to count backwards (maybe) from opening day and set the rotation with what looks like a 7 man competition for 5 spots instead of 37 + Adam Eaton (what a joke that was).

Not saying a team that won 64 games shouldn't have more competition for spots, but that is what it is (i hate than cliche).

Newcastle time!

nb,

You're referring to 2006?

And he's had 26 saves since (insert reasons why here).

You're better than that nb!

Wayne!
Don't ignore me! How about this, maybe you have a comeback for this...

How is it that the O's don't care about winning after going from the tenth best organization in terms of prospects in 2009 (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3848691) to sixth best this year (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=4861174) even with graduating wieters, tillman, reimold, and bergesen to the majors? Huh? Do tell!

wayne -

Sure, it was 2006. But you said that Gonzalez "has never really had success as a closer", which just isn't true. Unless you're going to tell me that 2006 can't be considered "success as a closer" because it was too long ago.

I'm not saying that Gonzalez is going to be a shutdown closer in 2010, but saying that he's never had success as a closer is as blatant of a lie as it would be to say that Nick Markakis has never hit 23 home runs.

Been awhile since I've posted on this blog.

Same as it ever was.

To the people who think that Tejada will be fine at 3rd because Cal and Brooks said so I ask you this.

How many games did they watch Tejada play the while he was an Astro?

Have they ever seen him try to play 3rd?

I think we know the answer to those questions.

How many times have we all seen former players say "this kid is gonna be great" only to see said player fail.

This team will lose 90 again and the same crowd will be around next year telling us that this is all part of AM's plan and that NEXT year will be the year to go after big time FAs.

Jeff

It's real nice that Keith Law says we have talent in the minors. It has yet to translate into wins in the big leagues. Prospects are prospects. Many will not pan out.

This team needs an infusion of legit free agent talent to compete in this division.

It's all well and good that the they finally have some promise on the farm but that's far from enough.

Hi Cush,

I think Bell will be a September call up for a cameo. He needs a full season at AAA to work on his fielding as far as range is concerned and especially to see if he can hit left handed pitching. Now, if he starts putting up wieters type minor lague numbers that could change, but I don't think Macphail will bring him up until he is absolutely certain he is ready. We are talking Andy Macphail here Cush, the most conservative GM in the history of baseball going back to the dead ball era.Macphail would never have given up money and prospects for Babe Ruth. He wouldn't have wanted to come here anyhow :)

Mark,
While I respect your opinion, I must ask how the Rays are considered a contender considering their lack of big time free agent signings. Thanks,
Jeff

Jeff

The Rays caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle.

They also had prospects that came in were studs right away.

Have you seen any of the Orioles do that? Longoria was an MVP candidate during their WS run.

And by the way, they won't be contending this year. The Yankees were down in 08 so what did they do?

And one more thing that is a major factor when comparing the O's and Rays. The O's have the money to make huge splashes. The Rays? Nothing even close. No team has a deal like the Orioles do with taking a minimum of 66% of the Nationals TV revenue.

Yet look at the payroll. Ridiculous.

Jeff

The Rays caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle.

They also had prospects that came in were studs right away.

Have you seen any of the Orioles do that? Longoria was an MVP candidate during their WS run.

And by the way, they won't be contending this year. The Yankees were down in 08 so what did they do?

And one more thing that is a major factor when comparing the O's and Rays. The O's have the money to make huge splashes. The Rays? Nothing even close. No team has a deal like the Orioles do with taking a minimum of 66% of the Nationals TV revenue.

Yet look at the payroll. Ridiculous.

NB... Gonzales was only the closer for the beginning of the season... most of his "blown saves" were actually blown 8th inning leads. The Stat is a little deceiving as he didn't melt down 10 times in the 9th inning. Kind of a stupid stat, you can blow a lead in the 7th and get a BS, full well knowing the guy is not going to finish the game.

One interesting stat, he did not allow a run as the set up guy from May 29- June 26 and July 19-Sept 2

Jeff

I accidently typed your name instead of mine. My bad.

One last thing. The Rays finished 19 games out last year. Of course, that's 20 games better than the O's.

Neither contended but only one was shockingly inept and quite frankly embarrassing.

I understand your point, and its valid. I am simply stating that you CAN compete in the AL East without big time free agent signings. It certainly is not as easy as it would be with a beckett, lee (both next year) or holliday (this year), but it is possible. That's all. Also, Matusz is my pick for AL ROY, and Wieters will certainly come in strong this year. It should be interesting.

not brooks

At the risk of saying something you already know, most of the blown saves Gonzalez had last year were in the 8th inning. It has never made much sense to me to hang a BS on someone in the 8th who wasn't going to have a chance at a save in the 9th.

mark

A question for you. Why would anyone take your word for how Tejada is going to do at third over Brooks Robinson's?

Jeff

There are exceptions to every rule and oddities that happen.

The Rays in 08 happened to be one of them.

Kinda like Northwestern getting to the Rose Bowl in the 1995 college football season.

And again, the Rays are forced to operate a certain way due to their lack of monetary resources. The Orioles are under no such restrictions.

Pretty much everyone agrees that the team will lose more than they win once again. I mean, they can't be any worse right?

I still say they lose 90. So then what will AM do next season? Are we really gonna have the same type of offseason where the team plugs holes with older or B to C level free agents?

Remember, neither the Yanks or Red Sox were in the Holliday sweepstakes. You can bet they will be in the sweepstakes for big bats next offseason.

Jeff...

Wayne doesn't care about prospects (read the past several months worth of insanity). Save you breath. Nor does he or the other nuts care about the opinion of any of the national writers that have been praising the Orioles rebuilding plan.

I think he thinks the Yankees signed Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Williams and Rivera to FA contracts.

There was an interesting SI article about 5-6 years ago about the Yankees not being able to win the WS again even though year after year they had the best team on paper. The biggest issues? Developing homegrown talent and and a bad mix of personalities in the locker room. Last Season they simply over powered the field with a bunch of hired guns.

ORIOLES SUCK

Freeman

Why don't you go back and read what I wrote.

Did I give an opinion on how Tejada is going to do?

I'll save you the trouble. I didn't.

I simply pointed out that just because Cal and Brooks said he can doesn't mean squat and it certainly doesn't mean that he will be successful in the transition.

Does anyone really expect either to say "well, to be honest, I don't think he can make the transition."?

They gave a canned answer to the question and yet some people run with it and think it's a lock he Tejada will be great at 3rd because of it.

shamrock,

Actually, wayne does care about the prospects. He also cares about the young guys on the team. What pisses him off (like me) is MacPhail's complete faith in the prospects and his refusal to go after any Free Agent that'll make a positive impact on this team.

As I said before, MacPhail's plan has us destined to be a perenial 85 game winner. Because while I'm sure some of these talented players in the system will pan out, not supplementing the roster with top players when it's needed will make us a lock for 3rd place. Oh sure, there will be a couple of years when the Yanks and Sox falter and we manage a Wild Card spot. But the Rays, Jays and O's will always be battling for 3rd place.

Sham,

you're not qualified to speak for me, especially when you misrepresent and lie. You do so often with others as well, which is why you hide behind other names.

dave,

spot on!

jeff and Steve Bisciotti should read an interesting article by Tom Verducci on how, not surprisingly, the Orioles are one of the least-efficient teams in Major League Baseball in terms of the money spent for players vs. on-the-field success.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/01/19/verducci.efficiency/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

Say it ain't so! This is almost as good as an empty case of Natty Boh!! I can't control myself. That coupled with the Dodger LH reliever who had a 6-7 ERA in a non-DH league!.

I think we might go pole to pole, IN THE CELLAR! Can we get any cheaper? Please don't answer that question, soon the warehouse will have to start the rumor that no quality players will come here, and then it will be time to re-break out the we have confederate money, or that no quality pitchers want to pitch against the AL East! And the funniest thing is, from reading this blog there are many people who believe all this BS and a newspaper that gives them the bullypulpet and serves as the vehicle for all the pathetic excuses!

Go O's! All the way to the bank!

JPRicardi,

I will take the under, that is O's wins will be less than this years snowfall totals!

The truth will set you free!

JP,

Hope you're enjoying your time off. Don't forget to send Vernon Wells a Christmas card this year.

Also, did you read what he wrote?

"The Orioles stand as a reminder of why the worst mistake in baseball is to spend when you are not ready to win. Instead of trying to hang with the Yankees and Red Sox, Baltimore would have been better off to strip down its payroll. Payrolls are like undivided highways: the worst place to travel is the middle of the road."

This statement essentially slaps the teams from earlier in the decade (who went out and paid big contracts to faded stars) and applauds what McPhail has been doing.

Obviously this is more of that National Sportswriter/Warehouse propaganda...

CinH,

The problem with that analysis Chris, AM will never spend. He will never pull the trigger, because it will never be the right time.

Andy was brought in here to do what others didn't know how to do - be cheap, be profitable, sell the fans on a better day.

That's where we are, and that's where we'll stay.

Sham,

What are you smokin and lay off that orange Kool Aid! 85 wins a season???

Dude, today we are so far away from 85 wins it's pathetic! If thats the target fire him right now. Nothing less than a World Championship should be the goal every year! Do you think Peyton Manning plays for 10 wins and making the play-offs every year! I guess the apathy from the likes of you and others who think AM can give us 85 wins a season is considered success. If thats the case, PA is taking the right approach and maximizing profits.

Also, please reseach how many seasons an AM team has won 85 games? Next look at how many times 85 games won the AL East or even qualified for a wild card in the wild card era!

Last but not least, when did the team with the lowest payroll make the playoffs?

I don't think you will like the answers, but the Truth will set you free!

doug,

I was merely re-posting what Verducci wrote.

And you can't say he never will any more than I can say he certainly will.

And the whole Angelos is cheap thing is tired. He spent years upon years throwing too many dollars at players who didn't deserve it. He was the last owner to outspend the Yankees. How does that add up to cheap?

Chris-
AM was there for some of that period. The Orioles have also added a significant amount of salary for players who are, quite frankly, on the downside of their careers. Basically, what you see is what you get.

By the way, it's funny how the Rays have more highly ranked prospects and if the same percentage of their propspects make it as the Orioles, they should still be a better team.

Chris in Hawaii - that was when he was making major bucks selling out the place. Now he can sit back and make bucks with an empty house.

Based on Jeff's anlaysis above:
2007: $ 93,554,808
2008: $ 67,196,246
2009: $ 67,101,666*

The Orioles have pocketed $54M in two years if one could show that the Orioles broke even in 2007. Don't forget about the sweetheart deal MLB gave them.

It never ceases to amaze me that the defenders of Peter Angelos' organization are Brady Anderson and a group of fans who blindly love the Orioles. The same writers who talk about the prospects that some are so in love with, are the same writers that state PA has destroyed the franchise (from a winning persective).


Joefoss,

I'll say it again...

I was re-posting what Verducci wrote about the O's in the article that "JP Ricciardi" posted the link to.

Mark

The implication of your post, and your response to my question about it, is pretty clear whether you care to man-up and take credit for it or not.

Freeman

Why don't you tell me what I mean because I've clearly explained to you exactly what I meant.

The jury is out on whether or not Miguel Tejada can make the transition to 3rd base.

And just because Cal and Brooks say they think he can make the transition doesn't make it so.

Just like if they came out and said "I don't think he can do it" wouldn't make that so either.

Why are you having such a hard time understanding something so simple?


Wayne- what did I say that was incorrect? You once made up a quote from a fictitious baseball gm who said prospects are worthless.

Keith- Where did I say anything about 85 wins? That was a lot of rant for no reason.

The Marlins did win a world series with the 6th lowest payroll in 2003. Not quite last, but still pretty freakin' low.

I did however say-

MARK HENDRICKSON?

AWWWWWW YYYYYEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

How many games has Mike Gonzalez pitched in 2010?

We really can't say one way or another what we're going to get out of him. George Sherrill had 4 saves prior to settling into the role in Baltimore.

wayne, please read and understand my comments before commenting on them.

I'm not "defending" Atkins, as you put it, only saying he is a worthy gamble. The sporting world is rife with guys who appear to be washed up only to show that they have something left. Are you willing to bet your life savings that Atkins is indeed done? I'm not. Maybe he is done, maybe he isn't, but he will be out their to prove to all of us that he's still a good ball player, and we won;t know for a few months.

I keep saying it, maybe you will one day listen, it takes more than two and a half years to rebuild a team from almost the bottom up. This team is ready to begin the next phase of the "plan" and that is to get some of the ballyhooed youngsters some PT in the majors.

wayne, you keep harping on the fact that this team is not ready to win, but what you leave out is that many of the pieces of a winner are here and soon they will get their chance.

It doesn't matter what MacPhail's record was in Chicago(and no matter what it was, he brought some outstanding talent there and much of it is still there, look it up) the fact remains, and how many bleeping times do I need to say this, he has assembled a great young talent base here.

The Cubs going 65-97 in 2001 has no bearing on what is going on right here right now, I wish, wayne, you could understand that. When the time was right in Chicago, he went out and got Aramis Ramirez and the next off season, he got Derrick Lee. MacPhail has shown he will go out and get the bats if needed. But right now, the proper course of action is to see what we've got before tossing the young guys out the window.

James C, it is nice to see another voice of reason, along with some others, on this blog.

I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say this, but keep the faith, my brothers!!!

Great Orioles name. "O-Man"

WE GOT MARK HENDRICKSON?!?!?! NAILED IT! WE SHOULD WIN THE DIVISON NOW!! ORIOLE MAGIC BABY!! I LOVE ANDY MAC!! LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Ken-

Picking up Lee and Ramirez doesn't count because it was a trade. Trades don't count when measuring the the success of baseball club management. It is as if the trades never happened. Resignings and extensions definitely don't count either (especially the $120mil given to Sammy Sosa). Player development? I say Shplayer development! Please ignore these three aspects and think of the job of GM/team CEO as being a one legged stool- Big Time Free Agent Signings. The seat of the stool represents WINS!

You need to learn the rules of being a psychotic-delusional fan. 1. Don't get caught defending the tyrant PA or his blood thirsty minion AM!!!! 2. Spend a portion of your day committing corporal mortification with a metal whip. 3. Attack those who have anything remotely positive to say and accuse them as being secret agents of the team.

this is all getting a little silly... ha!!!

ken,

The problem with your 2.5 years argument is you're acting like AM started from scratch.... He didn't!

You keep talking about the great young players he has assembled, which is totally misleading.

When he got here, guys like BRob, Markakis, Reimold, Bergesen, Johnson, as well as a lot of good talent on the farm, were in place.

We have NO idea if guys like Bell, Snyder and Arrieta will pan out. They're prospects.....and not even Top 50 prospects at that.

To constantly sit there and suggest that this guy started from nothing is simply wrong, as well as unfair to even bring up in any debate.

The problem is... because the O's have been, and still are so bad. And because AM's record is indisputable, the hype starts to take over. And that's too bad!

SHAMROCK,

How would you weight the importance and then grade Macphail in those four areas of the stool.?

I see 5 legs:

I would rank the farm system and player development number 1 because it is the most efficient and economical way to insure a feeder line of talent. For those efforts I give Macphail an A+

Producing and maintaining a competetitive product while rebuilding is a critical part of fan relations and for focusing his efforts entirely on player development and putting a lousy team on the field at the major league level Macphail deserves an "F". He has been planning to lose to hope to eventually win, but losing is losing never the less. This is an arrogant approach and Macphail and the organization have been as tone deaf on this issue as the Democrats have been on Health care..

Resigning your core young talent is a critical phase of of developing a contending teams and for that I would give Macphail a B- so far for the Roberts and Markakis resignings because they were easy, obvious, and the only two he had to deal with so far.

Free Agent signings are as big a part of the game now as the other areas and as far as aquiring the big right handed bat and or any other marquee talent I give Macphail a big fat "F" for not only not going after them but coming up with this undefendable and nebulous"when the time is right" smokescreen for not wanting to spend serious money. sitions,

Most of the trades were contract dumpings in return for prospects, and he has not attempted to dangle any of our own prospects for marquee talent. The FA signings so far have been fill in and players on the margin so as "Not to block the kids. The Tejada panic signing was necessary to avoid signing Joe Crede and face Wayne leading a warehouse lynch mob. For this effort I will give him a C-


Overall then, I would give Macphail a "C" so far.

SHAMROCK,

How would you weight the importance and then grade Macphail in those four areas of the stool.?

I see 5 legs:

I would rank the farm system and player development number 1 because it is the most efficient and economical way to insure a feeder line of talent. For those efforts I give Macphail an A+

Producing and maintaining a competetitive product while rebuilding is a critical part of fan relations and for focusing his efforts entirely on player development and putting a lousy team on the field at the major league level Macphail deserves an "F". He has been planning to lose to hope to eventually win, but losing is losing never the less. This is an arrogant approach and Macphail and the organization have been as tone deaf on this issue as the Democrats have been on Health care..

Resigning your core young talent is a critical phase of of developing a contending teams and for that I would give Macphail a B- so far for the Roberts and Markakis resignings because they were easy, obvious, and the only two he had to deal with so far.

Free Agent signings are as big a part of the game now as the other areas and as far as aquiring the big right handed bat and or any other marquee talent I give Macphail a big fat "F" for not only not going after them but coming up with this undefendable and nebulous"when the time is right" smokescreen for not wanting to spend serious money. sitions,

Most of the trades were contract dumpings in return for prospects, and he has not attempted to dangle any of our own prospects for marquee talent. The FA signings so far have been fill in and players on the margin so as "Not to block the kids. The Tejada panic signing was necessary to avoid signing Joe Crede and face Wayne leading a warehouse lynch mob. For this effort I will give him a C-


Overall then, I would give Macphail a "C" so far.

Sorry for the double post

Gil-

Heres my take...

Development- B+. He brought Wieters along slowly, Matusz was a great pick. He has brought a lot of talent into the organization through trades and the draft. This year he needs to draft a blue chip college bat (no more 17 year old Billy Rowell crap like in the past). Unfortunately last year they had no choice on Hobgood. The legit bats were taken 2-3-4.
Competiveness- Incomplete. Can't flunk him here. You can't sign top FA talent when you are rebuilding. Why would a player sign here before '08 for 3 years knowing losing was inevitable? Its not about blocking youth, its about FAs choosing to look elsewhere. Best success you can hope for during rebuilding is surprise winning.
Extensions- B- Roberts and Markakis were big, the next 3-5 years will be big when Jones, Wieters and others come up.
Trades- So far an A. He's taken in a ton for the half-talents that were in place when he got here. He is still under indictment in Seattle, Washington for Grand Larceny.
Free Agency- Incomplete. Again, top FA's will not sign with rebuilding clubs. I think this year he made the best out of a thin FA pool and got decent value for what he could get.

How do you say Tejada was a panic signing? If he locked him up $30/3 a week into free agency, that would be a panic signing. Unless Tejada Mora's it up next year, I think he will be a pleasant addition. But yes, Tejada = Crede^3.

The team should have won 70 games last year less the meltdown starts, getting absolutely nothing from the scrap heap SP pick ups, Mora and Huff falling apart, inconsistent hitting and the team pretty much packing it in when sept hit.

SHAMROCK,

Actually we are not that far apart. I gave him an "A+" for player development, you gave him a "B+". We both gave him a "B-on extensions. The two areas I flunked him, Competitiveness and FA signings, you gave him an incomplete and I certainly think there is an arguable basis for that. Those two areas are the hot buttons on the blog that people stand back to back and walk 20 paces over. At what point would your incomplete become an assignable grade? I think the Orioles need to show significant improvement this year{ 10 more wins} or a"D" and Macphail needs to sign a marquee FA or two next offseason or a "D"

By 2011 the team should have a winning record or an "F" and if no marquee FA's added after 2011 an F"

Any professional sports team with a losing record, has to get an F. Always and forever!

When fans suggest a double digit increase in wins means great improvement, while the team remains below 500, then the bar has been set an embarrassing level.

If this team wins 74 games,, some people will be celebrating. What they'll be really cheering however, is yet another miserable, pathetic losing season, all setting up for a 2011 'it's not about this year' scenario.


This year should be entertaining. Plenty of growing pains, but the team needs to be run better on the field: limit starting pitcher meltdowns, evening out the hitting from game to game, etc...

I will grade them on competitiveness this year and their free agent pick ups next year. Maybe next year they trade prospects for a big bat, but not counting the guys who have already pitched in the bigs, there isn't much legit talent left. I was ticked when they weren't able to get Tex, and I will be ticked if they don't fill holes with FAs when it is time to next season. I think they go after Derrek Lee. I don't want Carl Crawford in pinstripes. Mauer is staying in Minn. Beckett stays in Boston.

If they pump out another 64 win season this year, something is wrong and they need to take and 18 wheeler with cash into free agency.

So cutting nearly 30 million off of payroll is really increasing payroll ?

In the bizarro world on the good ship lollipop, up is down, black is white, and losses are wins

meanwhile MASN rakes in millions controlling the right to two teams broadcasts, yet we are outspebd by 30 - 40 million by the likes of the minn twins, hou astors, and sea mariners

On the good ship lollipop, low payroll is more important than winning

SHAMROCK=paulie=jeff

Mwahahahaahhaha

remember when Peter Angelos thought Roy Oswalts' 4/40 million dollar contract was "lunacy" because he played every fifth dayt?

MASN only makes about 100 million per yr. The Orioles cant be using 10 million a season on a freakin starting pitcher

Isnt it crazy how people are paying more for their cable to get MASN, yet the team is out of contention by August

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