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January 4, 2010

Connolly: Hendrickson update

Here's Dan Connolly's latest report on the Mark Hendrickson situation:

The Orioles and left-hander Mark Hendrickson are still interested in continuing their partnership, but there hasn’t been a whole lot of movement on that front.

“It’s really status quo,” Hendrickson said Monday. “The market is playing itself out. There is still interest in both sides, obviously.”

Hendrickson’s agent, Joe Urbon, and the Orioles have “had some talks, but it is nothing more than that right now.”

Hendrickson, who lives in York, Pa., and got married this winter, has said repeatedly that he’d like to come back to the Orioles if a deal can be reached, but he’s also studying his options elsewhere.

“I have been a little reluctant to say, in the past, where I wanted to be. But I like Baltimore, I like the direction the team is going in and I think Andy (MacPhail) did a great job with his signings this offseason to increase our competitive level,” said Hendrickson, who was 6-5 with a 4.37 ERA in 53 games, including 11 starts, in 2009. “But yeah, there is other interest out there and that’s how the process is. As much as the Orioles may like me and I like them, this is part of the process you have to work through.”

He said his expects his 2010 picture to get clearer soon. Meanwhile, he said he didn’t think the signings of starter Kevin Millwood and lefty closer Mike Gonzalez should affect his standing with the club, since he can fill a variety of roles.

Hendrickson has never played with the Orioles three new additions, but he pitched against former Colorado Rockies third baseman Garrett Atkins while he was with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

“I know what he did in Colorado first hand,” Hendrickson said of Atkins. “And he was a very dangerous bat. He could be one of those pickups that could be a steal if he comes around to form.”

My take: I love it when Danno does all my work for me. How about you?

Posted by Peter Schmuck at 6:30 PM | | Comments (104)
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Comments

"I like the direction the team is going in and I think Andy (MacPhail) did a great job with his signings this offseason to increase our competitive level,”

What does he know compared to posters on here.

So good at times, so awful at others.

Rather let one of the young guys come up and do long relief and spot starts.

Would he take a Minor League contract with a Spring Training invite?

Sham -

I like Hendrickson, for the price.

Why strain a young guy who may not be ready or mess him up by changing his workload when you can bring in a vet to do it for about a million bucks?

In other news, the Cardinals appear close to resigning Holliday (according to ESPN) and the Red Sox have reached an agreement for a one year, $10M deal with Adrian Beltre.

Two more solid free agents off the board. Everyone knows how I feel about Holliday, and a one year deal for Beltre wouldn't have been bad at all, even at $10M.

Who's left? LaRoche? Delgado?

More info on the Beltre deal. Looks pretty good to me...

"The deal will pay Beltre a base salary of $9 million in 2010. It includes a $5 million player option for 2011 and a $1 million buyout, and is contingent upon Beltre passing a physical exam, the sources said."

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=4795915

Hendrickson wants to play in Baltimore, the Orioles know it and are using it as leverage to get him cheap. And I know that to be true from the Horses mouth.

Gil, I was thinking the same thing. I know a lot of folks will say who cares if we get Hendrickson back, but the guy went from being bashed as a SP to the best member of the BP when George was traded plus his starts at the end of the year were very good. The guy is a good fit in the BP and he wants to be here so IMO, this should've been done a long time ago.

I know guys are looking at the young kids and saying they can fill the role, but the BP sucked last year so there is a lot of room for the young guys and some solid vets because no one knows what Koji will do or how Kam will pitch in a full season.

I like the Beltre signing, but before people say the O's are cheap, no way does he play 1 year here, as only winning teams can get guys to sign for 1 year at a reasonable price. If the O's wanted him, he would've cost something like 4 yrs/42 mil. I am curious what they do with Lowell? I bet they have to eat 10 mil of that contract for someone to take him.

NB, how much do you think LaRoche is looking for? I would love to see the O's get him for 2 or 3 years. He's not a cleanup hitter, but I think he would be great hitting in the 6th spot for the Birds.

Y'all,

This is definitely a minor league contract with and Spring Training invite. I mean, would any other team in the AL East even offer this guy? HELLO, ok he pitched mediocre for 1 inning in middle relief occassionally, but if the organization is turning the corner, signing Mark Hendrickson is right up there with Mark Eaton and Hill last year, more of the same sub-Major league talent in Balmore!

PETE,

Please take down my previous post and this one.

Seriously,

This is what this team has come to? Duh, what do I mean 'come to'?

Picture Iverson when he talked about 'practice'.......... 'were talking about Hendrickson, not a real player.......but Henderson. Not a player, not a player.........but Hedrickson'

It gets more pathetic each day - knowing how bad this team is going to be yet again. It just never ends!

Y'all,

This is definitely a minor league contract with and Spring Training invite. I mean, would any other team in the AL East even offer this guy? HELLO, ok he pitched mediocre for 1 inning in middle relief occassionally, but if the organization is turning the corner, signing Mark Hendrickson is right up there with Mark Eaton and Hill last year, more of the same sub-Major league talent in Balmore!

Wayne,

Whats up with all these distraction posts from the Sun? Are they attempting to create a distraction from how bad this team is going to be. I have to laugh, I live in PA and the Philly press would have destroyed this team/Front Office. In fact, as a Redskin fan I have to compliment John Riggins and that website that was created to boycott games and merchandise sales until they got a real GM, fired Vinnie Cerrato and get a committment from Daniel Snyder to get out of football operations. The Baltimore media just gives the front office one pass after another, glorify minor acquisitions like something actually happened and apply NO pressure on this team to do the right things!

Oye Vie!

Todd -

Apparently, LaRoche is looking for 3 years at $10M per. Not surprising that he hasn't had any bites.

By my count, only three teams that have money to spend are in the market for a first baseman: the O's, Mets and Mariners. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

At this point, my guess is that Carlos Delgado and Russell Branyan resign with the New York and Seattle, respectively, leaving us as LaRoche's only realistic suitor. I'm thinking he lowers his demands to two years at $7-8M per and the O's bite on that. And I wouldn't mind that at all, as I think our real in house power threat for first base, Brandon Waring, is two years away. Also, Gonzalez and Fielder are both free agents after the 2011 season. If the O's aren't willing to give up prospects for AG or Prince, LaRoche, who I think would thrive at OPACY, would be a decent holdover until the big boys become free agents.

Keith -

I completely understand your disdain for Hendrickson, but you really can't argue that he was pretty damn solid out of the pen last season: 55 innings, 3.44 ERA, 37 K, 14 BB. Same thing with Florida in '08: 32.2 innings, 3.03 ERA, 20 K, 9 BB out of the pen.

And if Andy really is holding out so he doesn't have to pay Hendrickson more than half a million bucks, I'm cool with that. That way, if he's horrible in 2010, the team loses nothing.

Seriously. If you want to bash the O's, there are plenty of things to attack. But signing Mark Hendrickson for a pittance isn't one of those things.

Keith,

Look at some of the stuff written about the Ravens. I mean here's a team who's going to the post season again, yet the negativity flows.

Imagine someone like Preston grading the Orioles each week. It would never happen! Why? Because the Orioles would makes their lives miserable.

I mean can you imagine if baltimore's only major newspaper had 100% objective coverage of the Orioles like they do the Ravens?

Seriously, could you imagine the weekly grades for the O's?

Imagine! AM approaching the Hendrickson resigning like its a business deal. The other 29 GMs are going to be shocked. Next thing we know Hendrickson is going to open negotiations with other teams to leverage a better deal out of AM. Shame on both of them. Where will it all end.

REQUEST:

Pete or whoever at the SUN......

Each week (Sunday evenings perhaps), someone from the SUN should Grade the Orioles similar to how Preston Grades the Ravens.

Grades for:

Starting Pitching:

Relief Pitching:

Hitting:

Fielding:

Overall Fundamentals:

Coaching:

I mean real Grading without worrying that feelings will get hurt.... like how is done for the Ravens.

Some weeks may be good, while others are terrible. Overall grades could be given with details from specific performers.

Say you?

Wayne,

We already know the grades man it’s the same story every year. Red Sox today are in the process of landing Beltre and here in Baltimore we are talking about a non factor obscure relief pitcher when we are missing major pieces like someone to play 3rd 1st DH etc

Miggy at 3rd and for 1st / DH there are many free agents better than Luke Scott/wiggy/atkins/rookies out there for gods sake! Vlad, Carlos Delgado, Jason Giambi, Jim Thome, Adam LaRoche etc

Keith Rowe and Wayne and Gil love fest
Part 3
"hey this team sucks, and so does Macphail" hahha
"we want to win NOW" hehehe
"The press is really fawning over the O's, they won't call them out" "Yeah, we are the only ones who will call the warehouse out and hold their feet to the fire" "yeah, yeah" "rah rah" "we know what's REAAAALLYY going on"
"Yeah kudos man"
"I can't believe Peter won't take my ideas and write a scathing article on all the lies coming from the warehouse. What a weiner."
"Yeah, if only we had our own blog we could really get the truth out there and help all these deluded posters here and the players on the O's and all the national media who have all fallen under AM's spell and who believe the O's are headed in the right direction"
"Yeah greedy Petey has them all paid off" "No one will tell the truth but us!!!!"


Those who bash Hendrickson and AM regarding this non news are totally showing they don't know a thing about how solid baseball teams are built. I trust the guy with two World Series Rings (one for each hand). They also show they didn't really pay any attention to last year or the year before. Please refer above to not brooks numbers on Hendrickson.
You angry posters are totally nuts and wouldn't know how to build a winning baseball team if it was made out of duplos.
I mean really? Upset that we may spend a half a million on a reliable relief pitcher.....crazy i tell ya!

Hendrickson is a good signing. All of you who are just complaining about the O's ... just leave. No one says you have to come to a comment board to complain about them. Make your own website if you want a small scale boycott. The fact is that this team is moving in the right direction, even if your impatience doesn't let you see it. God forbid you be patient. It's unbelievable to me, all parents do is preach virtues like BE PATIENT to their kids for the first 18 years of their lives and yet, here, we have adults acting like 4 year olds. Just wait. "Oh, woe is me, I'm an Orioles fan and they never win, and I remember the glory days"... seriously, have you been to the park lately? Have you bought O's merchandise lately? Have you done ANYTHING to support the team? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you are just going to be miserable, and share that misery with everyone just stop before you have a heart-attack. It's not worth it.

I don't even know why I look at the comments anymore, it just angers / depresses me.

Guys,

Not trying to start an argument, just noting the facts, irrefutable facts. Doesn't anyone find it amazing a 6'10" lefthander who is 36+ who can't top 90 MPH and can't get lefthanders out, isn't being knocked over by the Yanks and Red Sox, Tampa or the Jays? He is what he is, lefthanded and cheap. This isn't newsworthy it's embarrassing. The guy belongs with all the other misfit toys this teams acquires. He's not the worst pitcher in our arsenal of arms but lets not make this into a story, just because we haven't done anything significant like the Warehouse told us they would. Kevin Millwood is a 4 or 5 starter of a good team and the media and Warehouse want us to believe we have Roger Clemens coming. This isn't a negative slant, this is reality relative to the top of the division which is where we should be aspiring. It's just disapointing that the warehouse tells us were turning the corner and were gonna do this and do that, then we stay on the cheap, get guys others don't want and the media spins it like a big transaction. Mark Hendrickson is well beyong his prime and how many championships has he brought his previous teams?

Bill in Frederick, please are you AM son in law looking for work in the Yard? I've never seen such a lap dog. Please refrain from the orange Kool Aid! That was a different time, in different divisions. This is the AL East, the plan got Tampa where and for how long? I think I'm more angry with you lap dogs who can't see or understand reality and keep buying the crap the Warehouse and the media give you. Open your eyes and look around the division! Save the 1/2 million and get the proven 4 hitter we need and bring up one of many arms with an upside, not some over the hill never was!

Hey Keith,
"lap dog...Kool aid"....how original!
You outhousers are really after it...
I get it..." win now" rah rah

Hey it's Jan. 4th! First pitch is three months away...chill out man....

Jeff,

I don't know why you look at the posts or post for that matter. If your spending money towards this organization in the form of merchandise or tickets, there needs to be serious thought given to your investment strategy. I've rooted for the O's for 45 years, but must tell you, if they aren't committed to winning, my dollars aren't committed to them. I live in PA, they are part of my TV package and I let them put me to sleep everynight on MASN, but you won't see me spending a penny on them because that would only be reinforcing that I support what they are (or in this case NOT DOING)! I'm not suggesting you change your stragegy, I'm suggesting your in no position to suggest anyone else follow yours, it would be a kin to investing with Bernie Madoff!

The Truth will set you free!

Bill,

You don't get it at all, this is year 14 of futility and you lap dogs say win now rah rah! The last time I checked the Cubs are 100+ years removed, how did AM work out for them! You got 86 more years?

"Kevin Millwood is a 4 or 5 starter of a good team and the media and Warehouse want us to believe we have Roger Clemens coming."

Who's saying that?

Bill, you are right on the proverbial money. Baseball teams are built far differently from virtually every other sports teams. EVen the Stankees don't have all-stars at every position (it only seems like it sometimes). Nobody, not Steinbrenner, not even Bill Gates, could afford to do that.

You put little pieces together, little pieces add up over time (162 games), and, eventually, with some luck and some talent, you win games.

Tony LaRusso said in "Men at Work," that when he was with the A's, they looked at the season as 33 (give or take) 5-game series. Win three out of five 32 times, you win the pennant. The best team in baseball wins 3 of 5 (.600), the worst team wins 2 of 5 (.400). The difference of that one game is small, but very big, too.

How many games did the O's lose last year that could very well have gone the other way? A dropped throw, a missed cut-off, a bunt that didn't get down, a questionable call, a great catch that robbed them of a run-scoring hit? There were probably at least 20 of those. Of course, they probably won 20 games that could've gone the other way, too.

The point is, Maqrk Hendrickson and his ilk are parts of the whole team. By himself, no, he doesn't win 20 games, doesn't get any buzz from the press or the fans. But, dependable guys like him are PARTS OF THE WHOLE.

Geez, Bill is right. It's january, early January for that matter.

bill f,

Do you realize how stupid you sound? I mean it. I get wanting to defend your team, but you sound as if you simply don't care if this team ever wins. Your come back is always 'yeah, win now'. What's wrong with that bill? Are you so use to losing in everything you do that winning means so little? No one, not even Wayne is talking about making the playoffs. Most of us just want more wins than we're used to, that's all. You call people names, you make fun of people, all because they want to win games.

Truth is, you really do sound like someone who works for the orioles. It's guys like you that make Wayne look pretty damn smart.

Wayne ol friend,

I like the idea of grading. It's not a bad idea at all. I just don't understand why you think there would be a difference between the warehouse reaction and what come from the Raven's front office.

I know you believe there's a conspiracy between PA, AM, the Sun, me, not brooks, bill frederick, and everyone else who has anything not horrible to say about the O's. But, come on! what could PA possibly do to the Sun? What meta-physical power does he have? what powers does he have that the Ravens don't?

And besides, the newspaper industry is in such bad shape as it is (sorry Pete) what could he possibly do to make it worse? It just doesn't make any sense. Eventually, even the comical value of all the conspiracy talk starts to wear a bit thin. Seriously.

@ Keith

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm merely questioning why you come onto this blog and post comments tearing apart Andy Mac and the team if you have no interest in supporting them.

I am only 20 years old, so call me naive, but I was at the park for Matt Wieter's first home run, in fact it landed about 15 rows in front of me. I was there for Felix Pie's cycle, haha we didn't even realize he had it until his last at-bat when he needed that last hit. I was there for opening day, screaming at the top of my lungs at CC. You see, it's not all about winning and losing, it's about the experience. I bought 3 or 4 t-shirts, got several for free, have a fleece scarf, and an Adam Jones bobblehead to match my A-Jones jersey. You see, I love baseball, always have. The smell of the grass and leather, the feeling of excitement in the air.

You haven't lived life until you've stood for the entire bottom half of the ninth to watch them send it to extras with a HR. You haven't lived until you've seen Jones rob a HR and see the pissed off look on the hitter's face on the jumbo-tron. You haven't lived until you've beaten the crab shuffle AND won the hot-dog race at the same game. You haven't lived until you sang Cotton-Eyed Joe while dancing with the guy in the seat next to you.

If all you care about is W's and L's, go root for the Yanks or Sox. As for me, I'll stick with Baltimore baseball. It's the Oriole Magic, you've got to believe in it.

Keith, I beg you to go to a game and watch the O's like you did years ago. Don't look for empty seats, don't expect them to lose or blow a late lead. Root on the team like a teenager who doesn't know any better. Hell, I'll buy you a ticket if that's what it takes.

Keith,
You should pay close attention.
Macphail got the Cubs very close to the World Series. That would have been his third appearance. Remember that deflected fly ball down the 3rd base line? That was Macphails team.
Do you want to blame Andy for the 10 losing years before he ever got here? If so, can't he get a little credit for winning 2 WS in Minnesota. They did wear gloves and have bullpens and everything way back then so the game wasn't so different.... Plus, if it was as long ago as some of you say, that would mean AM won 2 World Series while still in diapers which would REALLY make him a genius (he's not all that old)!
Oh and Keith and all you AM haters, here's some trivia.... name the other GM's currently in baseball who have won at least 2 World Series...(Hint...it's less than all the fingers on one hand excluding the thumb of course).

Yeah Noel, it sure seems like the offseason got cut short around here..Andy is supposed to be done already. I think they are allowed to keep making deals.....oh that;s right you can make deals at anytime!!!
And this will really rile them up. I'm OK if he is done for this spring. I want to see Aubry at first. Why not Atkins at 3rd. That's why we signed him. How come people keep coming on here and saying we need a 3rd baseman?
Andy has made some really good signings...I'd like to see us add more pitching like Bedard but hey, I trust Mr. Macphail because he's done an excellent job in rebuilding this franchise so far.

Boy this Kool aid is tasting good......Gotta turn lights out....

Uncle Macphail is calling...

"Yes sir, I wrote everything you told me to"

Anybody notice the poll on the main page. 73% of people like what AM is doing. Just 27% don't.

Ted B
Thank You. Yes, I have reviewed many of my previous psots and I do indeed sound quite "stupid". A couple you could say I just sound like a Know nothing but ...I think stupid on quite a few. I will now try to sound edumacated and brilliant. I am sorry you even had to endure the stupid stuff. I hope this one is better.

By the way, When I mock the WIn Now!! it is simply pointing out the absurdity of those like Wayne who think that other fans DON'T want to win NOW. The ones who are mocked as warehousers and not wanting to win now are actually just more knowledgable about what it takes to build successful baseball teams and they are more patient especially when they recognize the vast improvements AM has made since he took over.
Those who don't recognize the vast improvements would in fact be considered stupid or or blind.

I'm with Bill on this one.

Beltre, the one year wonder, had fewer RBI than Mora in 2009! You can have him!

Jeff,

Congrats, on the Wieter sighting, I was at Frederick on his first professional start and oh by the way caught every home playoff game in 79 and & 83 as well as EVERY WS game in 79 & 83. But your missing the point in all of this, what is this organization doing for you, me and fan base? I've posted repeatedly and will say it for the 1000th times, AM has done a fine job in the draft, player development and dumping Bedard, Tejedas and Hernandez, But the Major League, on field performance has gotten worse, check the record (fact). We play in the most competitive and EXPENSIVE division in all of the MLB and our payroll is 26 of 30! In business we call this failing to reinvest in the product. The organization has put profit ahead of winning. So why in the love of God should I go to bat for them! Some aspects are much better, but RELATIVE to the rest of the AL East we continue to fall backwards, AM's so called plan (should you chose to believe this is anything less than a well engineered money grab by PA before AM becomes the Commissioner) might have worked in the AL Central or even the NL Central, but the Cubs have been in the top 5 in spending over the last 10 years so not a real fair comparision! I don't switch ships, and like many of the other fans on this sight want the O's to win, but that starts with the O's doing the right things and that's setting a budget of $90-110M annually. I'm not on this blog to argue with anyone, just express my opinion of what I see happening, unvarnished and surely not sugar coated. The media continues to give the Warehouse pass after pass, and if they and the 73% think that losing 98 games with 13 consecutive losing seasons is acceptable then you all should be very happy in 2010. Enjoy!

For those like Bill Frederick, who I can only assume is embarrassed that others outside the warehouse have originated ideas different from the last 13 prolonged losing seasons and his go along to get along Cumbiya that all is well and finding amusement in the fact that real professional sports organizations and successful businesses wouldn;t or couldn't sustain 14 years of pathetic performances. Though given the loyal and naive fan base, and media our 14th losing season will go on without a hitch and there will always be another next year to get that big bat, 3B, 1B, SP etc................

The truth will set you free!

NB, if LaRoche would take a 2 year deal with an option, I would love to have him. He's a good hitter who will give the team 20+ HRs 80+ RBIs plus he gives the team stability at 1B till one of the prospects is ready and I don't think it will be Snyder. I have nothing against Carlos Delgado, but I think Adam is a better fit for the O's.

I am hoping the M's will take Wiggy because they've spent a lot and have some serious extensions to work out so they might go with a cheaper option at 1B. I can't stand the way Wiggy plays and his constant inability to knock in a runner from third with less than 2 outs is crazy. He's one of those guys that when you looks at his stats from afar, he looks like a pretty good player, but not when he's on your team.

"Kevin Millwood is a 4 or 5 starter of a good team and the media and Warehouse want us to believe we have Roger Clemens coming." - Keith Rowe

Keith -

I'm still waiting for some links on this. I'd really love to read the article where someone associated with the Orioles, (or even a Sun writer, for that matter) refers to Millwood as anything more than a veteran innings eater who will help mentor the young starters.

C Matt Wieters
1B Ty Wigginton
2B Brian Roberts
3B Garrett Atkins
SS Cesar Izturis
LF Nolan Reimold
CF Adam Jones
RF Nick Markakis
DH Luke Scott

VS

C Victor Martinez
1B Kevin Youkilis
2B Dustin Pedroia
3B Mike Lowell
SS Jed Lowrie
LF Jeremy Hermida
CF Jacoby Ellsbury
RF J.D. Drew
DH David Ortiz

C Jorge Posada
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Robinson Cano
3B Alex Rodriguez
SS Derek Jeter
LF Nick Swisher
CF Curtis Granderson
RF Nick Swisher
DH Nick Johnson

C Raul Chavez
1B Lyle Overbay
2B Aaron Hill
3B Edwin Encarnacion
SS Alex Gonzalez
LF Adam Lind
CF Vernon Wells
RF Travis Snider
DH Randy Ruiz

C Kelly Shoppach
1B Carlos Pena
2B Ben Zobrist
3B Evan Longoria
SS Jason Bartlett
LF Carl Crawford
CF B.J. Upton
RF Gabe Kapler
DH Pat Burrell

SP1 Kevin Millwood
SP2 Jeremy Guthrie
SP3 Jason Berken
SP4 David Hernandez
SP5 Chris Tillman
CL Mike Gonzalez

VS

SP1 Josh Beckett
SP2 Jon Lester
SP3 John Lackey
SP4 Daisuke Matsuzaka
SP5 Clay Buchholz
CL Jonathan Papelbon


SP1 CC Sabathia
SP2 A.J. Burnett
SP3 Javier Vazquez
SP4 Joba Chamberlain
SP5 Andy Pettitte
CL Mariano Rivera


SP1 James Shields
SP2 Matt Garza
SP3 Jeff Niemann
SP4 David Price
SP5 Wade Davis
CL Rafael Soriano

SP1 Ricky Romero
SP2 Scott Richmond
SP3 Brett Cecil
SP4 Dustin McGowan
SP5 Brandon Morrow
CL Jason Frasor

Memo to Bill Frederick:
I usually don't do name calling, but you're an idiot. If ignorance is bliss, you've found Nirvana. In what other business would it be acceptable to have 13 consecutive losing years, with no hope in sight for the next year(s)? Would YOU still have a job if you performed at that inept, woeful level? If the board of directors of such a company didn't fire you, the stockholders would fire the board. The fans are the "stockholders", in the sense that ownership needs to be accountable, only we don't want Angelos to keep as much money as possible, and get as rich as possible, at the expense of putting a respectable team on the field. And all the while chuckling at people like Bill who make his bank account even fatter. Bill, PA holds you in contempt, and laughs at you. And you still support HIM. You are not supporting "the Orioles"; they died quite a while ago. They are just a quaint notion. You are supporting Angelos, and making it possible for him to continue to stick it to all of us, haters, fanatics, and everyone else in between. You and your ilk are enablers. I want better management, better investments and more return on our dollars. I am a former Sunpapers sportswriter and Orioles PR department employee (I wrote the 1969 World Series program, newsletter, Yearbook, etc.). I had the good fortune to be in those positions 1969 - 1970 - 1971. Ring a bell? I have watched EVERY Oriole season that ever was. I saw every single game in 1969. I went to the first Orioles game in 1954 with my grandfather, and loved the Orioles as a kid, and as an adult until Angelos bought the team. I have never been so disillusioned with the management of a professional team as I am now. The bottom line is that the Orioles don't have a prayer in the AL East, no matter what they do. Not unless there's a salary cap, or they create a separate division for the Yankees, Red Sox and Angels, for instance. But they can at least make the team more than a punchline to a bad joke. I have not gone to an O's game in person for seven years, don't watch many on TV (it irks me the manager is a dolt, the kabillionaire players don't give a sh*t, can't even bunt, run the bases, advance a runner, get the sign correctly, hit the cutoff man, remember game situations (how many outs, the score), or execute other fundamentals most of us learned in Little League. Watching MLB is supposed to be enjoyable, not frustrating. PA will never get any of my money or support. We have only two chances for the success almost all of us would like to see: a salary cap, and/or Angelos selling the team to a knowledgeable baseball person (like Cal), whose sole goal is not just to horde money, or to someone who wont' let his two moron kids anywhere near OPACY. I believe MacPhail is an improvement over the Thrifts, Flanagans, Duquettes and Beatties of the world, but better by comparison is not good enough for me. I want good, not just better. I am as passionate a fan as there is, but I refuse to root for, or support a team as pathetic as the current Orioles. They are an embarrassment to the city, and the fans. We deserve better.


earl weaver once said; " you win pennants in the offseason through trades and free agents"

Unfortunately, the O's have macphail as GM, so u can count us out from any notable free agents. Reclamation projects, retreads, and stopgaps is all u get in turdland.

bill f thinks its great cuz it easier to blindly support macphail than think for himself. He was probabaly defending Thrift, Beatagan and Beataquettes every move too.


waht bill f hasnt figured out is that andy was brought in here to maximize profits under the guise of rebuilding. Payroll has been trimmed a cool 30+ percent since AM's arrival and cleanup hitters keep get signed everywhere else. Even the hapless Nats have a legit clean up hitter

Beating the Skanks and Sux is not the objective and its never gonna happen. Its more profitbale to keep costs down, since there is so much guaranteed revenus. DOnt wanna go all crazy and spend money onplayers. Its profitable to be 26 of 30th in payroll and 5th in profitabilty.

bill f, how is your incessant repeating of "AM has two rings" any less redundant than the ppl u complain about? SO aside from being a loathesome and shameless apologist, you're also a hippocrite. Good 4 u!

Eveytime bill f posts, I just hear him in rainman's voice, yeah AM has ws rings yeah. Yeah I ignore 12 of 18 losing season since then tho. Yeah I ignore that he's finished in last place for HALF of the seasons since his WS. Yeah, Im an excellent driver, Wopner comes on at 4. My name is bill f, yeah

Easywriter,

Great post. Hopefully you've educated bill f's new flunky or alter ego or whoever that goofball is that agrees with bill's "losing is ok cuz we're improving mantra"

kudos also to the poster who posted the rosters for our opps in the ALeast. Thats who we play this yr, not last yr's team

Its blatanlty obvious that The disgruntled fans are much more in touch with reality than a couple of apologists who have no comprehension of what they are missing and waht an avoidable tragedy that we are all needlessly enduring

@ Jason C
I'm sorry, but that is just an ignorant statement. All of them actually. Let's start from the beginning and analyze your argument...

"Unfortunately, the O's have macphail as GM, so u can count us out from any notable free agents. Reclamation projects, retreads, and stopgaps is all u get in turdland."
Ha ha ha ... you can't really hope to make a coherent argument using words like 'turdland'. That said, there is little evidence to support your argument other than the fact that the Orioles have been players (however minimal) for the two biggest FAs the past two years. So you were rig- oh ... wait.

"waht bill f hasnt figured out is that andy was brought in here to maximize profits under the guise of rebuilding. Payroll has been trimmed a cool 30+ percent since AM's arrival and cleanup hitters keep get signed everywhere else. Even the hapless Nats have a legit clean up hitter"
Spelling aside, this argument is somewhat factual. However, look at the reasons the payroll came down. Bad contracts including Mora, Gibbons (Yes, we paid him last year), Tejada, Hernandez, etc. coming off the books. As for the cleanup hitter thing, well Adam Dunn is a FA next year I believe, so tell me how well that worked out for the Nats.

"Beating the Skanks and Sux is not the objective and its never gonna happen. Its more profitbale to keep costs down, since there is so much guaranteed revenus. DOnt wanna go all crazy and spend money onplayers. Its profitable to be 26 of 30th in payroll and 5th in profitabilty."
Well, this argument would make sense if well, we hadn't given out big contract extensions to Markakis and Roberts last year. Look for Tillman, Jones, Wieters, Matusz, Reimold, Pie, and several others to get relatively big raises in the next few years. Hopefully we have money to spend on them. Oh, right, that's why you save, so you can use that money later. Silly me.

"bill f, how is your incessant repeating of "AM has two rings" any less redundant than the ppl u complain about? SO aside from being a loathesome and shameless apologist, you're also a hippocrite. Good 4 u!"
That is merely Bill's retort to the incessant complaining that MacPhail hasn't won anything, which would make sense if more than 1 GM won a WS a year. Oh, also, I believe Bill is a human, so I don't understand your use of the word 'hippocrite', defined here by urban dictionary.com: A squishy hippo that happends to be hypocritical of others. Derived from the word hypocrite, but accomodated to specificy hippos.

"Eveytime bill f posts, I just hear him in rainman's voice, yeah AM has ws rings yeah. Yeah I ignore 12 of 18 losing season since then tho. Yeah I ignore that he's finished in last place for HALF of the seasons since his WS. Yeah, Im an excellent driver, Wopner comes on at 4. My name is bill f, yeah"
Your conclusion, instead of being in any way persuasive or factual or even thought provoking, is a scene played out in your mind that somewhat explains the logic that preceded your other thoughts. It all makes sense now.

The point I'm making here is A. you should spell words correctly if you want your argument to be taken seriously. Incorrect spelling in a comment section is akin to Brian Roberts walking up to plate with a wiffle ball bat in the first at-bat of next year. And B. please make your arguments be factual, or even well thought out. See, as much of a negative nancy as you want to be, you can't support anything you said, which makes your comment baseless.

Bill, please don't let the jaded opinions of these "fans" change your mind on anything. Optimism is key.

Oh, let's just throw out a hypothetical - in your jobs, do you like working for an annoying, demeaning, complaining boss? How about with customers with those same qualities? No, of course not. You're still getting paid, but you don't want to do it. Try to not fall into that category, because we are all the customers. It sure would be a shame if they thought we ALL hated them as much as some of y'all seem to.

Hey to the poster who offered the comparison of AL east lineups a few posts back, you got the O's rotation all wrong
realistically it will be something like this

K. Millwood
J.Guthrie
B.Bergessen
B.Matusz
C.Tillman
Closer : M.Gonzalez

With Hernandez , Berken and Koji in the bullpen I see potential in the pitching.

As far as our Lineup goes, If we address 1B with a power bat we will be fine.

Hey here some optimism....13 losing seasons or not, The O's are due for some magic soon. Lets pack Camden yards again to show we care.

Jeff,

Since you're obviously young and stupid, let me explain something to you; WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO BECOME THE GRAMMAR GESTAPO ON A MESSAGE BOARD DISAGREEMENT, YOU'VE ALREADY LOST

My arguments are factual, let me recap for you

Orioles 26 of 30 in payroll- FACT

Oriloles 5 most profitable in 2008 (3rd from 2002-2007) FACT

Payroll in 2007 when AM took over 94+ million FACT

Payroll now 60+ m FACT

Attendance in OPACY to start the decade 3.3 mil FACT


Since 1991 AM has had 6 winning and 12 leason seasons as GM/CEO including 9 last place finishes and 9 seasona with more than 90 losses -FACT

Roberts and Markakis were given extenstions not signed as free agents- FACT

the largest FREE AGENT contract ever given by AM was 4/24 to TOdd Hundley. FACT

Last team to outspend the yankees was the 1998 Orioles -FACT


Admit it jr, you didnt realize AM's record was so abysmal, if u did and you're still positive, thats not optimistic, thats delusional.

Now go pick through some more posts for spelling errors because you have nothing to contribute on the baseball discussion. U dont understand y we hate apologists like u so much, because you're too young and uninformed to even know what you're even missing.

Going to a packed camden yds when the O's were winning was so much better than this crap we're needlessly enduring now.

PPL like u who condone and defend the farce that this franchise is perpetrating on this loyal fanbase deserve nothing but our contempt. If ppl like u didnt exist, this wouldnt have been going on for so long, you disgust me

jeff points out typos on message boards!!!


IMPRESSIVE

OK sunshine, please don't call me jr.

Ok, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery so here you go, feel important:

Dumping HUGE contracts from under-performers or non-performers like Jay Gibbons, Melvin Mora, Ramon Hernandez, Aubrey Huff make good business sense. FACT

Re-building a team requires a complete overhaul of the players and farm system. FACT

Almost every single baseball mind, including people (Buster Olney & Keith Law) who know more about baseball than you will know about anything think the Orioles are getting better. FACT

Andy Mac's record in Chicago does not give the Orioles any wins or losses next year, so it's irrelevant. FACT

You don't offer people $100 million contracts if you aren't willing on some level to pay them (much like you or I wouldn't go to an auction at Christie's and bid on auction items that we would never pay for). FACT

Look, the reason I came down on you for grammar (and it wasn't it was spelling, ...however...) was because you are tearing apart Bill for being a fan. Why? What do you gain from that?

So, Jason, I'm going to go ahead and prescribe some light reading for you:

mlbtraderumors.com

camdencrazies.com

mlbcontracts.blogspot.com
BTW, please read this last one and look at some of the bargains on there. It might enlighten you.

Now look, Jason, If signing Matt Holliday, Ben Sheets, and Erik Bedard would put the O's in the World Series, I'd be all for it. But it won't. Now next year Josh Beckett, Cliff Lee, Joe Mauer, Albert Pujols, and several other HUGE free agents could be up for bids... I mean uh, free agency. So, that said, the decisions being made are solid ones. So please, stop complaining. I remember the last time the O's were in the playoffs just as well as you do, so it's not like I have no concept of winning. Of course I want them to be better, but I'm also realistic and intelligent.

I'm sorry that I disgust you, that's terrible news. Oh btw, sorry about calling you sunshine earlier, I guess that makes me a hippocrite.

Oh, btw, that last comment was me, I hit enter by accident. I just thought I should take credit so you didn't call me a coward too!

Haha, ok, I can't wait to read your incoherent response to my arguments. I'm excited!

You are not intelligent so stop saying that you are

AM has trimmed payroll, but he hasnt replaced any bad contracts with good ones, has he ?

There has been plenty of talent the past 2 seasons. What has AM done ? Eaton, Hendrickson, Wiggington, a .226 3b, he's really reinvested in the team there LOL

Just because you're gullibe enough to fall for AM's so called plan, doesnt mean its viable or sincere.

I can solve the mystery for you. The "plan" is to keep payroll low and profits high, while getting dopes like you to believe that missing countless opportunities is really just another word for patience

Ill bet you anything you want that macphail wont even sign a free agent to tejada type money

Next yr, there wont be any elite FA's for us, only different excuses. I can hear them now, if the team does well, they wont want to mess with the chemistry by bringing in new players. If they lay an egg, we wont get any players cuz we're not close to contending anyway

I get it

U like low payroll

I like winning teams

You're a delusional optimist. I know that we're not on the same planet as the skanks and sux, nor are we even remotely close to competing with them.

Im willing to bet on my opinions. ALl the positive posts in the world wont bridge the talent gap with the yanks or sux and thats the objective (or should be)

Macphails has trimmed payroll and wins, while profits remains high. He has passed on several players that could've helped improve this team. THOSE ARE THE FACTS

WHY DO YOU IDIOTS KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT MATUCZ?!!!!!!

Seriously, anyone who talks about how bad the Orioles are, ALWAYS throw Matucz out of the line-up and put in Hernandez or Berken.

REALITY CHECK, if you look at Matusz as a starting pitcher, the rotation actually competes with the AL East. The rotation later in the year looks like:

Bergerson (or Matusz)
Matusz (or Bergerson)
Tillman
Millwood
Guthrie (with Another starter showing his ability later)

Closer; Gonzalez

That looks pretty good. Guthrie will eventually go into the Bullpen. As will Berken and Hernandez who are very good strike throwers in short term situations.

Alfredo Simon got hurt, Erbe and Arrieta will be up later in the year. Looks pretty good to me!!!

WHY DO YOU IDIOTS KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT MATUCZ?!!!!!!

Seriously, anyone who talks about how bad the Orioles are, ALWAYS throw Matucz out of the line-up and put in Hernandez or Berken.

REALITY CHECK, if you look at Matusz as a starting pitcher, the rotation actually competes with the AL East. The rotation later in the year looks like:

Bergerson (or Matusz)
Matusz (or Bergerson)
Tillman
Millwood
Guthrie (with Another starter showing his ability later)

Closer; Gonzalez

That looks pretty good. Guthrie will eventually go into the Bullpen. As will Berken and Hernandez who are very good strike throwers in short term situations. Koji will also be in the bullpen

Alfredo Simon got hurt, Erbe and Arrieta will be up later in the year. Looks pretty good to me!!!

Mr. Schmuck,

Could you ask your contacts at the Orioles if there is any possibility that Montanez could be the answer at 1st if he becomes the home run machine that he was 2 years ago? I realize he was hurt, and has been out of the discussions of late. But can't he handle that position pretty well. And he would be a great 4 in the line-up if he can come through with a power bat again.

All you MacPhail haters seem to conveniently forget one thing -- AM inherited this mess -- he didn't create it!! Not just the major league team, but the organization, the minor league teams, etc...... It was, admittedly, a DISASTER and something that could not possibly be fixed in 1-3 years. He has done an incredible job of restocking our minor league teams with viable talent that is being recognized and praised by experts outside of Baltimore. And he has done an excellent job of acquiring young talent that is performing at the major league level. And let's ALL face it, the ONLY way the O's will ever come close to being competitive with the Skanks and Sux is to grow their own talent. He tried for Texeira, but thru NO FAULT of AM's, the guy wouldn't come here -- much like many of the top free agents. AM is not one BIT responsible for the reputation that the O's have built over the last decade. He's the one trying to overcome that reputation and reverse it and it's a LOT more difficult than you guys seem to think it is. They will NEVER be able to keep up with NY and Boston by trying to spend money --- that's not reality. The young guys will HAVE to pan out in order for us to be competitive in the AL East -- and that takes patience. We all hate the losing. I guess our differences are in the area of how to FIX it. AM's method may or may not work, but I think it's the only avenue that makes sense. None of you REALLY know what goes on behind the scenes with Angelos, so all your talk about him putting profit above winning is nothing more than speculation.

I don't know how you put up with them sometimes Pete, honestly. I want to scream just reading the comments here.

At least there are a few sensible fans left that realize Andy has been here for 3 years, not 14. That rebuilding by definition means cutting payroll and expensive vets. That it means getting worse before you get better. And at least a few recognize Matt Holliday is NOT Mark Texiera and that there are better people to tie our money up with next year than this year.

jason C,

You are right on! Everyone has to understand, they naysayers on this board like myself sound negative, only because, relative, the operative word here, relative to what the Yankees, Phils, BoSox, Angels, Mariners, Braves and others are doing, relative to what AM and PA have told us about buying the bats, relative to what the local media professes, it sounds very negative, when in fact IT"S REALITY!

The Truth will set you Free!

SevernDave,

God bless you, the Warehouse blesses you, AM blesses you the Sun blesses you too. The faith you demonstrate is truly commendable but unrealistically fateful! We're in the AL East, the AM "Plan" almost makes me laugh everytime I reference "The Plan" but were not competing against Detroit, KC, Milwaukee and Oakland. The teams in this division spend money or stay in the cellar. The Red Sox spent $120M in 2009, what did that get them? Their player development brough them, an all-star 2b, all-star 1b/3b, rookie of the year candidate in CF and they bought: C, DH, 1B, LF, RF and a host of really good pitchers and all that got them was a wild card and quick exit in the playoffs. So you think, all of our players will developed to the Pedroia all-star level and all our pitchers will be the next Josh Beckett, you have faith my friend. But history tells me, it won't and can't happen, thats reality speaking, not negativism. But what can happen, the front office can start by demonstrating the desire to win, and that my friend is an annual payroll of $90-$110M in the AL East. Anything less, is 4th or 5th place! Reality Sucks I know!

The truth will set you free!

All,

I'm not an AM hater at all. In fact, AM came from the Cubs who had one of the top 5 salaries the last 10 years. So the man can spend money despite what he is doing in Baltimore, he doesn't own the purse strings! But for those of you who are convinced AM is our savior, I found this interesting article on him from Chicago you might find VERY interesting.

http://www.goatriders.org/archives/2006/09/the_case_agains.html

The Truth will set you FREE

Easywriter,

Amazing post, it's truly a shame your no longer covering the O's and telling it like it is! As someone who lives in PA and gets Philly sports news, I tend to appreciate the unvarnished truth versus all the BS the warehouse floats through the Sun and passes off as quality acquisitions!

The Truth will set you free

@Bill

How about Pat Gillick? And Angelos ran him out of town. Everything he touches turns to gold. Do you know what you're talking about?

I apologize for being civil but... I have a question. Does the designation of free agents (Type A & B) expire at some time, eliminating the draft compensation issue?
Oh, and sorry for not calling anyone a "moron" (or even implying the same).

polo550,

Lets not forget about Davey Johnson too! And you can even through in Jon Miller

There are dozens of articles in chicago about AM, most more biting than that one Keith. It's ll right there for people to see........

BF, it took AM 10 years in Chicago, and that was ONLY after he realized the CONSERVATIVE approach wasn't go to work. If you're going to mention Chicago, dig in my friend. Up to you!

Jeff, Here's a gift. Each Saturday, 1057thefan has Wall To Wall baseball. It's Tom Davis and friends and you will absolutely LOVE it... I mean you'll love it so much that I suggest you not be driving when listening. You'll be a danger to others since you'll be so overwhelmed with what they say about the O's. So go at it!

THIS BLOG IS ABOUT HENDRICKSON PEOPLE. THE ONE BEFORE WAS ABOUT MORA. THIS IS BALTIMORE BASEBALL AT IT'S FINEST

Have some pride everyone. Expect better from a once proud baseball club.

I do not think they should go after a guy like Holiday, but come on, sign someone of value. I don't expect them to make the wild card. But .500 would be nice.

Thank god for Pittsburgh.

DonM,

A player with six or more years of major-league service (on the team's 40-man roster) who is not under contract for the following season is eligible to file for free agency.

Teams can receive compensation for the player with a draft pick in the following year's draft in June. To receive compensation, the team must offer the player salary arbitration.

It is then up to the player to either accept arbitration or sign with another team. The team must offer salary arbitration to the player by early December or the team will not be allowed to negotiate with or sign the player until the following May 1. After arbitration is offered, the player has two weeks to accept or refuse salary arbitration. If it is refused, the player can only negotiate with the club until Jan. 7. after which no more negotiation can take place until May 1.

Top free agents are classified as Type A (the top 20 percent at their position as determined by the Elias Sports Bureau), Type B (between 21 and 40 percent at his position). If a Type A free agent who had been offered arbitration signs with another team, the team receives two first-round draft picks the following June – either a first- or second-round pick of the new team (depending on a team's record the previous season) and a “sandwich” pick between the first and second rounds. Type B free agents earn just a “sandwich” pick.

If there are 14 or fewer Type A or Type B free agents available, no team can sign more than one type A or B player. If there are between 15-38, no team can sign more than two. If there are between 39 and 62, there's a limit of three. However, teams can sign as many Type A or B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the limits above.

Hendrickson is a Type Zzzzzzz free agent. He might be worth having to any of the 30 MLB teams, but he won't be a difference-maker on any of them.

i know you all have stopped talking about hendrickson with all of the comments, but does anyone wonder if Hendrickson might ditch for another team a la adam loewen? im getting nervous....


btw anybody know what loewen has been up to lately? if he makes it to the majors, id like to see the orioles drill him in the back a few times...

Severn Dave,

I'm with you. The only thing I would nuance is that the only way we can regularly compete w/the "Skanks and Sux" (love it!) is to FOCUS on building with youth, but not exclusively. We also need to spend more $...WHEN the time is right. As I fellow supporter of AM and his plan, I emphatically believe we will spend more when he feels it is in the overall best interest of the club long-term and when the timing is right. He is still carefully and wisely evaluating what we have- phase 2 of the plan. I've certainly beaten this drum a lot over the past couple of years and will stand by it. And if the plan doesn't work, I stand corrected and will still love our O's. I really do think AM is a savvy GM- arguably the best we have ever had, and without question the best move PA has ever made. AM is systematically and strategically moving chess pieces and building our organization the RIGHT way- step by step. Nothing will promise a world championship, but I emphatically believe his plan is the best way to field a winning team that will at least compete and win around 90 games regularly for the long-term. And Keith- I do think we will spend between $90-$110M- and that AM has that kind of budget to work with- when HE tells PA it's time. I know some of you may think I'm delusional, but I think PA probably WANTS to spend more $ NOW, but AM is wisely encouraging him that it's not the time to pull the trigger and unload. If I'm not mistaken, PA said within the last year or so that he is prepared to spend in the range of $115M or so? (Pete, do you remember the amount and reference?)

But people, we need to take comfort and be delighted by what is transpiring...it appears PA IS NOT meddling and telling AM what to do! He has entrusted EVERYTHING over to AM and his staff. When AM thinks the time is right, I believe PA WILL open the wallet- as he has proven to do before. The problem isn't that he's been unwilling to spend, he just hasn't spent wisely! Yes, the waiting and call for patience stings, but it is the BEST way to move forward.

Keith -- I never called, or implied that AM is some kind of savior or that "The Plan" will work for sure. My exact quote was "AM's method may or may not work, but I think it's the only avenue that makes sense" -- and I believe that. You're right, it's highly unlikely that all of the young studs will turn out to be stars, or even GOOD major leaguers. That's the nature of judging young talent in baseball. But when you're in the AL East and trying to compete with teams who have infinitely more money than you, what are the choices? You guys are nuts if you think the O's can survive a spending race with the Big Two. And money guarantees NOTHING anyway! How much money have the Yankmees spent over the last 10 years to show for their ONE World Series? And every time it didn't work, they just spent more. Boys, the Orioles CAN'T do that!! CAN'T!! I'm not in love with MacPhail, I just think that "The Plan" makes sense and needs another year or 2 before it can be judged. If you disagree, I'm fine with that. And none of us knows, for SURE, what role Angelos is playing in all this. How much is he handcuffing, or not, MacPhail?

Keith -

Still waiting on those Millwood quotes.

keith rowe, The truth may set me free, maybe a lot of others here too, but quite demonstrably not you. You're trapped in an endless cycle, the moth attracted to the flame, seemingly forever destined to return again and again to the source of your discontent.

It is a simple truth that the overwhelming majority of people confronted by something continuously distasteful walk away from it. They find another hobby or activity that brings joy and a smile to their lives. They don't endlessly come back to have a little more misery inflicted on them.

That's the truth, but I don't expect it will set you free.

"You're trapped in an endless cycle, the moth attracted to the flame, seemingly forever destined to return again and again to the source of your discontent."

flip -

Unfortunately, you've just described the life of a fan of a bad professional sports organization.

I have no doubt in my mind that everyone here cares about, and probably even loves, the Orioles. Otherwise, they wouldn't be here, plain and simple. Yes, that includes Keith, wayne, jason c and even LOL/YIKES/GOOD LUCK (or whatever he feels like calling himself in any given post).

Keith,

So the article you attached is an attempt to try proving AM isn't as "good" as people think he is? People can think what they want to think and if they want to think that AM success wasn't really legit- fine. Let them think that. Yes, I'm a supporter of AM, but I also don't think he's the BEST GM out there- or who ever was. But here's one factor we also need to realize: AM has a lot of league wide respect among owners and GM's and brings legit credibility to the O's, which makes GM's and agents more willing to deal w/us- MUCH more than the likes of Syd "Counter fit $" Thrift, and the 2 headed combo of Flanny/Beattie.

COMPLETELY agree w/Not Brooks! I don't want to hear anyone on here bashing and criticizing, while saying they don't care- when YOU are on here posting! You read/post- you CARE, plain and simple.

Hello Waspman -- I am familiar with Type A and Type B free agents (and I think they eliminated the May 1 provision) but... does a player remain a Type A or Type B free agent forever? If he is not signed by the time the season begins, is he still a Type A free agent, or is there an expiry date (like a Best Before date on milk) after which the former team does not get compensation? For example, Eric Bedard is a Type B free agent. If he is not signed before the draft, is he still considered a Type B free agent?

not brooks, I don't doubt that for a minute, but a love that makes you miserable isn't healthy. That's true of wives, girlfriends and sports teams.

Owning a baseball team is a business, with the owners trying to make money. Of course they want to generate passion (see above) for their corporate product because that's how they make money. If General Motors had this kind of support, they'd not have fallen behind Toyota. Oops, maybe GM is not a good example... too many losing seasons. Do they have any good prospects?

trmahoney01 - Loewen played in the Arizona Fall League. I think he batted .179 or something like that. He does not appear to be on the verge of a breakout season.

Don -

GM's farm system is barren. And they just traded Hummer for cash and a Make to be named later.

Jim W, I'd suggest you re-read my post a little more carefully if you want to understand the point. Nowhere did I say or even imply that someone didn't care. Try again.

Fangraphs.com just posted their Top 10 O's Prospects:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/baltimore-orioles-top-10-prospects

A few thoughts...

- Chris Tillman isn't on the list because he's no longer a rookie.

- They're pretty high on Brandon Erbe and Zach Britton, as they project those two to be better than Jake Arrieta.

- The O's have a damn good core of pitching prospects.

And a couple of predictions:

- The 2011 starting rotation will look like this: Matusz, Tillman, Britton, Arrieta plus a free agent.

- Unless the O's make a big trade (AG, Fielder) or sign a big free agent (Peña, Dunn) Brandon Waring will be the starting first baseman in 2011.

Hendrickson was an instrumental part to a developing young team last season. His bullpen stats for his career are temendous. He DOES get lefties out and he can top 90PH the radar gun. I remember seeing him face David Ortiz in a leftie v leftie situation at Boston and him topping 91MPH twice. He can also spot start and bring a professional approach to the game. Although 35, remember he has only been pitching for 9 years. Before that he was in the NBA for four years. Bring him back. . . .

Hendrickson was an instrumental part to a developing young team last season. His bullpen stats for his career are temendous. He DOES get lefties out and he can top 90PH the radar gun. I remember seeing him face David Ortiz in a leftie v leftie situation at Boston and him topping 91MPH twice. He can also spot start and bring a professional approach to the game. Although 35, remember he has only been pitching for 9 years. Before that he was in the NBA for four years. Bring him back. . . .

Hendrickson was an instrumental part to a developing young team last season. His bullpen stats for his career are temendous. He DOES get lefties out and he can top 90PH the radar gun. I remember seeing him face David Ortiz in a leftie v leftie situation at Boston and him topping 91MPH twice. He can also spot start and bring a professional approach to the game. Although 35, remember he has only been pitching for 9 years. Before that he was in the NBA for four years. Bring him back. . . .

Jim W,

I couldn't agree more, just providing the big picture for those who think the Savior has arrived, keeping it real and trying to be realistic. He doesn't control the purse strings that 3 headed monster called The Angelos does that. But from his bosses stand point he is doing a great job, reducing payroll, from the avid fans standpoint, 98 losses coupled with his historic win loss record, very questionable.

Not Brooks,

Thank you so very much and I agree whole heartedly, that my undying love for me beloved Orioles is in fact real, and you clearly know that too.

However, I never cited any quotes about Millwood, I will say that AM and DT said were going to get a front of the rotation starter and to date the only SP we have acquired is Millwood. Also, if you read Pete's posts at the time, taking the burden off Guthrie at the top of the rotation and every list on this blog (most grossly erroneous without Bergesen and Matusz) listing Millwood on top. Just connecting the dots, but you know exactly what I mean, if he's our best proven guy, he would be 5th in Boston and 4th in NY, lets cut to the chase. Our young guys are coming and hopefully all will flourish, but history is not on all their sides!

Flip,

I'm sorry and will light a candle for you tonight! I'm glad you have it all figured out, and that yours and only your opinion is really important. Maybe you should start a blog about the great Oriole teams of the 21st century. Or about how we've turned the corner just look at our record (heading in the wrong direction). Or maybe you could tell us how YOU personally have the answer, kinda like the rest of the Warehouse. I'm impressed, whoa! I see the light, then again maybe you could become a Physcologist and analyze us all. But I tend to refer to the the definition of schizophrenia, when you do the same thing repeatedly (not spending money) and expect different results. I believe thats where I would place you along with the other Kool Aid drinkers.

Keith -

I don't remember AM and DT saying they would get a front of the rotation starter this year. Maybe I missed that.

Anyways, I most certainly believe that Millwood takes a burden off of Guthrie just because of the former's big league experience. And the only reason he's at the top of the rotation is because the rest of the rotation is filled in by two sophomores and a rookie.

I do believe that it's time for the O's to make a couple of big moves. And Peter Angelos has definitely said multiple times over the past several seasons that he would spend to make this team better. But I don't think that anyone in the organization has misrepresented any particular acquisition over the past decade.

We've definitely been lied to; not because the team tried to tell us that [insert decent free agent/trade acquisition here] was just as good as [insert stud free agent/trade acquisition here], but because the team simply hasn't acquired the talent it said it would.

DonM, the players are evaluated each year, so some players (if they are free agents on a year-to-year basis) may change in their status as they might change from being in the top 10% or 20% or not.

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As far as baseball owners making money, how much profit that is weened on an annual basis is unimportant. While $50M (just a random number so don't get all worked up) would look good if jammed in the trunk of my Eos, it is a pitiful return on investment by percentage. Some owners aren't all that caught up in the annual figures.

Owners make their real money on owning a team when they sell it. Look at the transactions from Hoffberger to Williams to Jacobs to Peter the Grate.

Art Modell's Browns wouldn't have been worth $400M if he stayed in Cleveland because that city told him Municipal Stadium was fine and dandy. Four or five years later, he sells the re-named Browns for $600M in a two-part transaction while Cleveland gets a loan from the NFL for a new stadium so they can get a new team. Pretty good turn-around for a team he bought for $1M in 1964 (or thereabouts).

The irony is Modell put himself into serious cash-debt while trying to put out a winner while Peter the Grate has been all over the spectrum during his tenure as owner.

The one common thread to the current state of the Orioles is they have been doing things on a very short-sighted basis. I am very suspect as to the team's true intentions (echoed by many nay-sayers), but doing something on a longer termed basis (which is sorely needed)does take time.

I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic with the current state of the Orioles. Not being optimistic after 12 years of losing and 17 years of doing things stupidly really isn't good.

Not Brooks,

Were close, I may be letting history cloud how much I want to accept. Regardless, based on what we have Millwood is our front end guy and not much of won. Figuring he won 13 games last year with a much better team in a weaker division, if he goes .500 and eats innings he will help. On the other hand, I think Matusz and Bergersen will show steady improvement and hopefully some of the other youngsters. I really had hoped we would have shipped Guthrie in a trade and gotten another proven starter Jason Marquis or even Ben Sheetz. Bedard wouldn't be a terrible move but if and when will he begin to help!

It's the living on the cheap when we actually have some potential. But thinking that Luke Scott, Mark Hendrickson, Wiggy appear to be instrumental parts of 2010 I can't get real optimistic. The prospects are exciting but unreliable and I really wanted a legit 4 hitter (like Adam Dunn) to protect our young bats and keep our young arms in games longer!

The truth will set you free!

Flip,

That was meant for anyone who implied they didn't care- I wasn't referring to you personally.

I'm tired of having your rebuttals being the same old tired arguments. Keith, Jason, and Wayne... all of you just incessantly rep]eat your own arguments without even addressing the points brought up by the other side. @ Jason, you know you have to make profit in order to spend money. I can't wait to see you on this blog next year when the O's do make a signing. But, you prolly won't be around. @ Keith, the truth will set YOU free my friend. Stop accusing people of being in the pocket of AM, the O's, and the Sun for a second to realize this team has gotten better talent wise since MacPhail took over. @ Wayne, please stop using that retread, tired argument, that they don't care about wins, don't care about the fans, etc.

It's sad really, you guys have such closed minds about the situation that you fail to see the hope. For the love of God, take a step back and realize the revitalization of the ORGANIZATION (not the team) from the ground up. A tree has to have solid roots to grow as big as it can you know. Seriously, get off your butts, look at some articles from the past year about the O's instead of ones from years ago about the cubs. It's not hard to see the progress, I promise you!

Just remember when the O's are right up in there that AM and the men in the dugout had nothing to do about it. It was all the know all who doesn't have a clue what it takes to put a team together. How would you like working beside someone making 8 m. when you are making 500,000. Thank you and good luck O's.

Just remember when the O's are right up in there that AM and the men in the dugout had nothing to do about it. It was all the know all who doesn't have a clue what it takes to put a team together. How would you like working beside someone making 8 m. when you are making 500,000. Thank you and good luck O's.

Waspman -- But does the rating expire, or is Johnny Damon a Type A free agent all season, even if nobody signs him? That's all I am trying to figure out.

Keith,
Great article if I was looking for a long boring personal attack on a man and his family (really goes after his deceased father ,real class there). If I had a bird I could print the thing and find some use for it.....doesn't even pretend for objectivity. Maybe the writer was cut out of a will or something...

Jeff,

I'm sorry, I'm not the name calling kinda guy, but I thought you were slammed well enough on this blog that you might mature and grow up a little and bring a little thoughtful discussion, but on that point I was obviously wrong!
What is really sad is that you gullable and naive guys really should seek help and get a reality check!

Grit, yeah buddy, the operative word you used is when and when happens someone will be changing your diapers and removing droll from your chin!

Bill Frederick, LOL you kill me! I didn't write it, it's out there for public consumption, but the truth hurts! How has AM improved the O's record? Ouch! Also, how we doing in the international market? Are we getting any non-over the hill or big time potential players like the Cuban? Didn't think so! Dude you've got all the answers!

The truth will set you free!

why do the orioles " let the market play out" all the time. Just sign the guy to a contract if they want him. Be trendsetters for once in your recent history. Christ they act like they're trying to sign Warren Spahn.

why do the orioles " let the market play out" all the time. Just sign the guy to a contract if they want him. Be trendsetters for once in your recent history. Christ they act like they're trying to sign Warren Spahn.

Wayne,

I was thinking the same thing.... Some dudes on here are fixated on one another.
weird

Jeff,

We're tired of you being a shrill for the Orioles. It's disgusting and pathetic! You have nothing accept calling us out instead of painting any kind of picture that includes winning.

You like losing bro. You just do! There is absolutely no other way to explain it. You wake up in the am after yet another loss and say 'damn, we're on the right track'.

It's a losing style dude and everyone sees it and you for what you are.....

I see what you're asking, DonM. I have never seen anything linked that would indicate a downgrade of status over time.

Therefore, if Damon is a Type A free agent (I'm not doubting you), I suppose he will be a Type A free agent throughout 2010 based on the 2008-09 seasons. It does bring up an interesting subtext if he remains unsigned when April or even May rolls around.

Presumably, his value will go down as time rolls along. His value may decrease even more than the bottom 60% because of the giving up of draft picks as part of the compensation.

Perhaps (without researching), that had something to do with Barry Bonds not being signed. The compensation would have been enormous between his expectations in salary and draft picks. Once he missed a season, his status would have been re-evaluated but he also became a year removed from playing.

Interesting thoughts, though. Very interesting.

Beltre doesn't hit the AL East. I encourage you to look at his splits against AL East teams. Terrible! Glad we didn't sign him.

It will be great to watch Status Quo, i have bought tickets from
http://ticketfront.com/event/Status_Quo-tickets looking forward to it.

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