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December 8, 2009

Orioles: Cabrera update

No, not Daniel. I know a lot of Orioles fans would like to have him back -- just for comic relief -- but this is an update on Miguel Cabrera, whose off-field problems this past season raised hope in some remote quarters of Birdland that the Detroit Tigers would try to dump his big contract on somebody.

Apparently, that's not going to happen. We've been checking around and there is absolutely no indication that the Tigers are trying to unload him. It certainly was not an illogical concept, since they would be stuck with that massive contract if he can't get his personal life back on track, but he's arguably the second-best player in the game and that kind of talent doesn't come along every day.

While we're on the subject, it's hard to imagine Peter Angelos signing off on a player like that at a price like that. He's two years into an eight-year, $152.3 million deal that still has a guaranteed $126 million to go.

Posted by Peter Schmuck at 11:10 AM | | Comments (28)
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He is too good for the Orioles, unfortunately.

"...but [Cabrera]'s arguably the second-best player in the game and that kind of talent doesn't come along every day."

Even if Cabrera didn't have the personal life issues, I'd argue for Hanley Ramirez, Joe Mauer, Evan Longoria, Mark Teixeira, Chase Utley, a healthy Grady Sizemore and a David Wright with rediscovered power as the second best player in the game.

I think Peter probably meant second best hitter (to Pujols) - which I would agree with.

How's he going to be too good for the O's. He would be just right. We have room to pay his pricey salary and he would fit perfect in our line-up. I hate when people say that; who's line up wouldn't he fit great in?

How's he going to be too good for the O's. He would be just right. We have room to pay his pricey salary and he would fit perfect in our line-up. I hate when people say that; who's line up wouldn't he fit great in?

How's he going to be too good for the O's. He would be just right. We have room to pay his pricey salary and he would fit perfect in our line-up. I hate when people say that; who's line up wouldn't he fit great in?

How's he going to be too good for the O's. He would be just right. We have room to pay his pricey salary and he would fit perfect in our line-up. why do people say that; who's line up wouldn't he fit great in?

How's he going to be too good for the O's. He would be just right. We have room to pay his pricey salary and he would fit perfect in our line-up. why do people say that; who's line up wouldn't he fit great in?

I wouldn't put much interest into Cabrera. He is a good player but he is putting on weight faster thn Joe Flacco can throw 4th quarter interceptions. I don't see him much more than a DH after 2 more seasons. Injuries and what appears to be some questionable character moves in his personal life along with his salary should make him a definite non-interest as far as the Orioles are concerned.

Dave -

Since Pete said "second best player", I'm assuming he's talking about the full package. That's why Pujols is #1 without question. He's easily the best hitter in the game and he also plays stellar defense and, while he doesn't have a ton of speed, he runs the bases well.

That said, Cabrera's easily in the top ten, but I don't see how you could argue that he's better than some of the guys I listed, especially Mauer, Hanley and Teixeira.

Oh, Tim, that's just wrong! LOL

No doubt Miguel Cabrera has all the talent in the world, but where is his head? If he can't be bothered with showing up ready to play for a team fighting for its playoff life, what makes you think he will put it all out for a team that's in a development mode?

Besides, if Jim Leyland couldn't get this guy fired up at the end of last season, do you really think Dave Trembley can?

If the Orioles are series about getting a 1B, then maybe a guy like Adam LaRouche would be better. And I'm not all that unhappy with the current crop of current Orioles' possibilities at first, namely Mike Aubrey. I would think 3B is more of a priority right now then first.

Peter, I know you're really busy covering the meetings, but Mr. Trembley keeps on talking about this right handed power hitter in-the-middle-of-the-lineup. Who might that be? Guerrero? Any rumors the O's are trying to trade for Billy Butler or Adrian Gonzalez?

Albert Belle was a good hitter too. Bringing him in was the beginning of the end for this club.

It always sounded far-fetched to me. You don't give a 25-year-old superstar a mammoth contract, then try to unload him one (monster) year later just to get rid of salary.

arguably 2nd best player ? he can only play 1st base and his ops is barely better than avg for 1st baseman. his 940 vs 880 for the 15th ranked 1bman. the best players give you 940 from ss or cf or catcher, or a freak like pujols who hits for an ops 220 above the 15th ranked 1b.

How do the Tigers have any money with 20% unemployment in Michigan? Even when the economy is good, Michigan is still in trouble. Who goes to their games? The stadium is in a demilitarized zone.

What is the going rate on Comerica Park? Silverdome went for $590k!

The Yankees just traded for Curtis Granderson.

And the rich get richer...

not brooks, where did you see the trade?

Pete, You wrote: "...it's hard to imagine Peter Angelos signing off on a player like that at a price like that. He's two years into an eight-year, $152.3 million deal that still has a guaranteed $126 million to go."

When you say "player like that" I'm assuming you mean the off the field issue, because what he does at the plate certainly warrants spending that kind of money on him and that's in the Teixeira range, so the Orioles could afford it. It's all moot now, but just saying....

not brooks, Pete did qualify his "second best player" with the word "arguably," because there is no clear number two after Pujols. I think this is one of those topics where how it's answered depends a great deal on whether we're looking more at what a player's done lately as opposed to their body of work over a career.

Most of those you mention may have been better short run than Cabrera, but I think it's safe to say he's stayed at a high level longer then any of them. I'm not saying there's one right way to view this, but just thought I'd put this in perspective.

Pete are we really this pitiful? Are the Yankees the only team that can pull off a deal? Does Bud Selig really think this is good for baseball. Doesnt he realize that teams from 20 other markets are becoming apathetic to the game. They replace an older outfielder with a strong hitting Granderson...Here we go again

MLB Trade Rumors

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/yanks-tigers-dbacks-discussed-blockbuster.html

Yankees receive: Granderson

Tigers receive: Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth

Diamondbacks receive: Edwin Jackson, Ian Kennedy

Not sure what this means for the Yanks. Probably that the Johnny Damon era is over. Of course, Granderson is HORRIBLE against lefties (.210/.270/.344 for his career) while Damon hits them pretty well (.283/.346/.403). Maybe Damon and Granderson will be two thirds of a LF/DH platoon.

The Tigers did pretty well, as Coke and Schlereth have the stuff to be shutdown relievers, while Scherzer projects as a #2 or 3 starter and Jackson is probably ready for some time in the bigs in center field.

Tough call on the D-Backs. If Jackson's second half collapse was just a rough patch, he'll be a solid number three. Kennedy could be a great number four if his MiLB numbers can translate into some MLB success.

You're right, Ken.

I think I just tend to value premium position players over first basemen.

One more thought on the trade:

Huge "if" here, but if Brandon Webb returns to form and Jackson and Kennedy do pitch to their potential, add Dan Haren to that mix and the D-Backs would have one heck of a rotation.

You can bring up Albert Belle and I'll bring up Raffy (the first go-around). Just because one effort fails doesn't mean other efforts will. Don't forget, even Tejada has a season for the decades after the O's got him - didn't translate into wins though.

I also see how Cabrera has started getting fat, just like I noticed a couple of years ago that Vlad was in pain while running the bases - particularly when trying to slow down from a sprint. Only a matter of time before Cabrera gets injured due to his weight just like Vlad's knees caught up with him.

No go on Cabrera. They need someone to drive in runs though - these young pitchers can't be thinking each night that if they give up 4 runs, the game is over.

I'll bet if we find somebody to have a beer with M Cab after every game, he'll have more interest in coming to B-more. I'll cover Fridays, come on people step up!

Speaking of M Cab, do u believe those goofballs over at the orioles hangout WOULDNT TRADE MATUSZ FOR MCAB STRAIGHT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about overvaluing your own players. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They did a poll and a lopsided majority was against a MAtusz for MCab trade--U cant make this up

Jake in NYC - No offense intended, but one can only assume you are a Yankee fan. For the rest of baseball the reality is, in 3 year Brian Matusz will be a legitimate in # 1 or 2 and one of the top 5 lefties in baseball - and this isn't minor league hype - he was well on his way this year - and Carbrera is a great player that in three years will be on the downside of his career and will have left Baltimore as a free agent. A team can get a player with 80% of Carbrera's numbers for 40% of the cost, while a 21 year old lefty that already knows how to pitch is a rare find. Good job AM!

I think cabrerra would be a great fit considering his age production and 5 more years already signed for less than tex. Add millwood and fliers on chapman, bedard, and harden plus hill and uhera from last year you certainly have an excellent chance to hit on one or two of them. Remember cabrerra plays 1st as well as 3rd if you keep bell, matusz, and tillman you still have some great prospects coming...

You guys are dreaming. This coming from a Tigers fan. Miguel Cabrera is an unbelievable hitter and his one night of bad judgment has been terribly blown out of proportion. The Tigers only traded Granderson and Jackson in an attempt to get younger and faster, to restock their system with young prospects, and to shave a little payroll. After 2010 the Tigers will have 4 bad contracts coming off the books in Ordonez, Robertson, Willis, and Bonderman. So for 2011 the Tigers will A.) have money to spend on free agents and/or B.) have young prospects in their system that they could part with in a trade and financial space to take on bigger contracts. The Tigers attendence may have gone down between 2008 and 2009, but just remember Orioles fans, we still averaged 8000 more fans/game that you guys did. Also we have an owner that has proven he will pay as much as he can to make a formidable contender both in the NHL and MLB. Dream on, Cabrera is ours, we have him locked up for 5 more years and you guys would be fortunate to trade your top 3 prospects for him.

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