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November 23, 2009

Orioles: Carlos Delgado?

delgadogettyleft.jpgI've been ruminating on Carlos Delgado since it was reported last week that the Orioles will be following his performance in the Puerto Rican Winter League to see if he might be a decent stopgap at first base next season.

My first reaction was pretty dismissive. We're talking about a developing team adding a 37-year-old player who was limited to fewer than 100 at-bats last year because of a hip injury. What kind of message does that send?

Mind you, that was my initial reaction. My second reaction was more along the lines of "Why not?" The guy obviously is getting up there, but he's one year removed from a 38-homer season and -- even though he couldn't get healthy last year -- his ratios were still okay when he was at the plate. If you extrapolate his 112 plate appearances to match his previous season total, he would have hit 24 home runs and had 138 RBI. I'll admit that's not a legitimate way to analyze his statistics, but it is food for thought.

The Orioles need somebody to produce runs and protect the guys in the top third of the order while the organization waits for Brandon Snyder to graduate from the minor leagues. Delgado might be a decent short-term gamble if he shows he's healthy this winter.

What do you think?

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Posted by Peter Schmuck at 12:48 PM | | Comments (139)
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yes, please! we need some excitement! he can still knock one out of the park pretty often. especially at OPACY

Pete,
Do you honestly think that Brandon Snyder can be anything more than a platoon guy in MLB? A lot of people keep saying wait till he gets here or wait till that pitcher gets here. Our track record for producing power hitters is not good and I really don't think Snyder will be more than a 10 to 15 hr guy, if that. I hope I am wrong.

What really makes me supportive of the idea is that Delgado is 27 home runs short of 500. On top of everything you mentioned, the chase to 500 would be an opportunity to energize the fans and give them something to root for until we are ready to compete again.

If he's 100%, or close to it, I see no problem with tossing him $3M to $5M guaranteed along with a boatload of incentives.

If he struggles or gets hurt, then the team is out $5M. Big deal.

If he rakes to the tune of 25+ homers and 100+ rbi while providing protection for Nick Markakis, he'd certainly be worth the $10M or so he'd make with the incentives. Think Frank Thomas with the A's in 2006.

In short, go for it. There's nothing to lose.

PS - What's with the italics?

close italics! (maybe).

It would be fine to bring him here - we could use him at DH, too. The question is, why would he come here?

Hey Pete,

The question I always ask with bringing in a lefty bat is: what do you do with the order?

Do you bat Markakis 2, Jones 3 and Delgado 4 so that you can stagger the order? Or do you have Markakis 3 Delgado 4 and allow teams to have greater ease setting up their bullpen against us in the late innings (like last year). I would love to see us get a right handed power bat. But this doesn't seem like a terrible short term option if we can get lucky and he stays healthy.

Thing is, the Orioles really need a guy who can play third. If you sign a guy like Delgado then that means you need to put Aubrey in the minors or you're going to have Wiggy and Andino playing 3B until September.

If you feel that Delgado would be a good addition to the Os then shouldn't Jim Thome also be considered too? Delgado has issues with saluting the American flag during the National Anthem. Jim Thome may be healthier and more respectiful which should make a better leader with the younger guys in the clubhouse. Just my opinion.

I'd rather see the Orioles re-sign Aubrey Huff he's younger and has been better.


The O's may want to look into signing Wellemeyer from St. Louis (SP) for one or two years.

Of course bring him here if he will come. He can play first this year and DH the next season.

The sad part is - the O's most likely couldn't even get Delgado anyway....the point is moot!

Pete,

It is a high risk/high reward situation. Once players his age begin to break down they find it hard to stay on the field. I would say it is an option, but not the most attractive for the Orioles.

If the team overpayed Delgado and he spent most of the year on the DL, It might be hard to convince Peter Angelos to go after marquis free agents who have had a hangnail in the future. {Not that Delgado is a marquis free agent at this stage of his career.}

I think Andy Macphail knows this and it is my opinion that he will be very careful how he spends Angelos' money. I doubt that Delgado could satisfy the Orioles that he is 100% healthy.

Now, if Macphail could sign him to an incentive laden contract, as Not Brooks suggested, based on plate appearances and games played in the field, it might be something to consider.

I could be wrong but I just don't see Delgado in an Oriole uniform next year.

Two things...if he is willing to strictly DH (and spell 1st base), then bring him in and see what he's got at a reasonable number. Second, I like the idea of Thome over Delgado, if for not reason other than how personable the guy is with the fans. Delgado had decent stats in 2008, but when Thome gets hot, he can rake like none other and has shown he is willing to DH, whereas Delgado has expressed issue with it.

Now, along those line, how about a Gary Sheffield instead? He expressed a willingness to be a fulltime DH, and he is a right-handed bat, power not gone. He can rake at times, Thome style...

Pete,

Remember the great success we had with Sammy Sosa? Enough said! I'll take Eddie Murray at first before Delgado.

Pete,

Remember the great success we had with Sammy Sosa? Enough said! I'll take Eddie Murray at first before Delgado.

Pete,

Remember the great success we had with Sammy Sosa? Enough said! I'll take Eddie Murray at first before Delgado.

Two things...if he is willing to strictly DH (and spell 1st base), then bring him in and see what he's got at a reasonable number. Second, I like the idea of Thome over Delgado, if for not reason other than how personable the guy is with the fans. Delgado had decent stats in 2008, but when Thome gets hot, he can rake like none other and has shown he is willing to DH, whereas Delgado has expressed issue with it.

Now, along those line, how about a Gary Sheffield instead? He expressed a willingness to be a fulltime DH, and he is a right-handed bat, power not gone. He can rake at times, Thome style...

One more thought: The fact that Delgado is on the the O's radar makes me wish we could just jump ahead to the winter of 2010-2011...

Joe Mauer, Jorge Cantu, Carlos Pena, Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn, Jayson Werth, Josh Beckett, Joe Blanton, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Javier Vazquez, Brandon Webb.

If this team could figure out a way to win 82 games in 2010, they would really have a shot at reeling in one of the big hitters and one of the aces in that market...

If we are going to sign a slugger that was hurt this year, I would take my chances with Matsui as DH and Nick Johnson for 1B.

My first reaction is to pass. Who knows if Carlos has anything left in the tnak but why bother finding out?
He's old and coming off an injury as well so there's 2 strikes against him. How many healthy 37 yr old power-hitters are still productive? I can only name a few-Thome,Matsui; many fall off quickly-ie Griffey/Sosa,etc..
And why on earth would we want the ill-tempered/off-injured Sheffield any where near our young player. That makes as much sense as bringing in Milton Bradley.

Orioles not only need a first baseman, but also a cleanup hitter. Branyan, and Huff are the only two other free agent first basemen available, who fit the bill. Branyan can be ruled out by the fact that he is going to want at least a 2-3 year contract, and the O's wouldn't like to do anything that would take them out of the Prince Fielder, Carlos Pena sweepstakes next year. Huff was already here and they probably wouldn't want him back. That only leaves Delgado to fill the dual role. The problem with Brandon Snyder is two fold: One is that with him the O's won't have a legitimate cleanup hitter next year either unless they get a big hitter who plays another position; secondly, according to Snyder himself his power stroke is from left-center to right-center. Unless your name is Reggie Jackson you're not going to be able to hit many home runs in the most expansive part of the field. So, the O's have to keep the problem of the cleanup hitter in mind as well.

Jermaine Dye has reportedly stated that he is willing to move to 1st. Unless Delgado can get approval for some male enhancement, I mean performance enhancement drugs, I don't think he should be considered just because O's can get him cheap. Also, it's reported that Lackey will not be expected to receive a Burnett type contract so the O's should sign and trade at midseason, when they are 30 under and the Yanks or Redsox need someone.

NOOOOOOO !! Why sign an old decrepit left handed hitter when AM has stated more than once that the need is for a power hitting righty.

Glaus is the same thing as Delgado but from the right side. Nady makes sense and Uggla for the right price is a slam dunk. Put him on 1B if not 3rd and let him DH if and when Bell is ready.

Pete, as an aside, do you think that the O's would get into the bidding for Josh Johnson since he is available? Obviously, he'd cost a lot (Arrieta, Erbe, etal ) and need to be signed to an extension but he fills the bill for a top of the rotation pitcher.

Delgado? He's a gamer. We'll see this winter if he's healthy. If so, I'd have no problem with signing him for a year.

In my view, Delgado would not be a good answer for the Orioles. I still think that the best option available for 2010 is Michael Aubrey. If given a chance, I feel he would hit .275-280, hit 20-25 home runs, drive in 75-80 runs, and play a terrific first base. Then, if Snyder is ready in 2011, fine. He is certainly not ready now based on how often he stuck out at Norfolk this season.

yes they definitely should get delgado, as well as adrian beltre. also, i would love to see the orioles make a trade for josh johnson. i don't think the orioles would have to give up a ton to get him, and it sounds like he wants a contract similar to grienke's, which was 4 years, 38 million. that sounds like a bargain for a guy whose that young and that good. he could be the ace of the staff for at least the next 5 years. seems like a perfect fit to me

NOOOO! Why sign an old , decrepit lefty when AM has repeatedly stated that he is looking for a right handed power hitter? Stay away from Branyon, Blalock, and all of the other lefty hitters. Scott's numbers are comparable to theirs. Balance the line-up.

Glaus is a righty clone of Delgado, old, decrepit but productive if healthy. Nady and Dye can play 1B and Uggla, for the right price, is a slam dunk. He can 3rd, then 1b or DH if and when Bell is ready.

Pete, as an aside, do you think that the O's would go after Josh Johnson if they could sign him to an extension? It'd cost Arrieta, Erbe etal, which might be the deterrent, but he fits the club's need perfectly.

Pete, Delgado? No.

Can't the Orioles do better than a scrap heap player that no one else wants? A move like this wouldn't fit into the rebuilding plans, but would be regressing.

Yes, I understand that there are going to be stop gap players until the prospects are ready, however it makes no sense to go after someone who might not even have it anymore. Better to get someone closer to his prime than someone who may no longer be able to catch up to a fastball.

Okay, hypothetically, say that while Delgado may still have a little juice in his bat, his power numbers drop to the 25-28 range. Still want him? Wouldn't a Hank Blalock at 29 make more sense.

I think Carlos Delgado makes a lot of sense for the O's. He might not be able to play 1B all the time, but the O's do have Michael Aubrey (yes, he didn't play a lot last year and his minor league #s don't jump out at you, but the kid looks like he knows what he is doing at the plate and in the field) so they might actually be able to get the power from Delgado and still find room to see what Michael Aubrey can do with more ABs.

Has anyone heard what Chone Figgins is looking for in terms of years and dollars? Seems like people are looking at Beltre for his glove and guys like DeRosa and Feliz because their asking price wont be to high unreasonably high nor will they be looking for long term deals so Figgins could still be in play if the O's are aggressive.

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I don't understand all the dislike for Luke as DH. He"s gonna hit 25 hrs and probably hit about .260. What's wrong with that. Those numbers equal most of the other names everyone is throwing out there. Aubrey should get every chance to play 1B. Good glove and looks like 18/20 hr with a bunch of 2Bs. Spend the money and 3B and at least one decent SP

I don't understand all the dislike for Luke as DH. He"s gonna hit 25 hrs and probably hit about .260. What's wrong with that. Those numbers equal most of the other names everyone is throwing out there. Aubrey should get every chance to play 1B. Good glove and looks like 18/20 hr with a bunch of 2Bs. Spend the money and 3B and at least one decent SP

I don't understand all the folks who want Delgado to DH. I'm not advocating acquiring Delgado, but if the O's do sign him, he should play 1st base. DHing Delgado while either Luke or Wiggy plays first is absurd. Delgado is a much better first baseman.

I agree with Joe Sheehan who says Delgado is the best fit because of his power and his price. If he stinks it won't be as hard to get rid of him as it will Beltre,LaRoche and others. My preference is still to trade for D Lee who is reportedly on the market. He's not the 40 HR 120 RBI guy he used to be but is still a 25 HR 85RBI Gold Glover. I think Guthrie could have a huge bounce back season in Chicago package him with some prospects for D Lee. If not then sign Delgado.

O's have got to get out of this stinking mindset that we have to settle for the blemished apples at the bottom of the barrell. Do you want to be a champion or do you want to just field a team. O's fans have been patient way too long for this ownership team to actually step up to the plate. Mr. Angelos, are you in or are you out?

Ron -

There's no one worth spending big bucks on at first base this winter.

I get what you're saying, but, honestly, do you really want this team to spend money just to spend money? Isn't that how we got here in the first place?

Delgado was my pick for 1B. Glaus is my pick for 3B. Two veterans with power capable of putting up 30 HR's and filling a team need. If health were to become an issue, you could also DH Delgado to give him some rest, move Reimold to 1B and Pie to LF. When a lefty is pitching, you put Wiggington at 3B, Glaus at DH, and take Scott out since he can't hit lefties. It makes perfect sense. The O's are a young team. They need some kind of veteran leadership. Then if they can sign a true legitimate number 1 pitcher who can help out the younger pitchers, we should be much more competitive. Think about how short that right field fence is for Delgado. It's a no brainer if the price is right....

1. Roberts 2B
2. Markakis RF
3. Jones CF (can't bunt)
4. Delgado 1B
5. Glaus 3B
6. Weiters C
7. Reimold LF
8. Scott DH
9. Izturis SS

Potentially, one of the best lineups we have seen in a LONG time....

I don't care if Delgado was a sure fire, iron clad guarantee to hit 50 home runs, drive in 150 and play gold glove defence, if he can't salute the flag, the hell with him. Not if he cost $2.00 a year . Let him go to Washington. There is another jerk there already who won't salute the flag.

To compete in the AL East they need Adrian Gonzalez at 1B and batting 4th.

Synder will never be the 1B the Os need. He is not a 30 HR 100 RBI guy with a Gold Glove.

Trade Josh Bell, Brandon Synder, David Herandez and Jake Arrieta (?) for Gonzalez. Or some other package including Bell and some other painful to part with prospects.

Sign Beltre to a 3-yr deal. No decent 3B will sign if Josh Bell is in the organization.

This adds a pair of Gold Gloves and #4 and #6 hitters.

This would make the non-pitching lineup competitive. Yes it hurts, but it gives us our own Tex.

Hoot,

Salute? It's not the military. He's neither disrespectful nor outspoken; he just takes issue with some things the US gov is doing and that's his right. I don't know the facts first hand, but looks like he cares a lot more than most professional athletes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Delgado#Social_activism

I don't think he's the Orioles' first choice at 1B, but he may be able to help this team.

1st base, 3rd base, starting pitching, closer it doesn't matter... The Orioles spent money wisely at one time but if you keep trying to build a team on guys like Delagado and feed off of the table scraps that the Yankees or Red Sox sweep off the table how is this franchise going to succeed. Selig baseball stacks the deck against teams unwilling to spend. You don't get better by lowering the bar, you get better by raising the bar. 13 years of losing is a pretty darn good indicator that the pre Andy system sure didn't work. I don't care about first place in particular it's the mindset that third rate players are all the Orioles are capable of signing.
By the way, I like Hoot's comment.

No way, no how.

All it will do is stunt the growth of the young guys, be it Aubrey, Snyder, a relocated Reimold, etc.

There's no upside, he's 37. Find somebody younger. Gamble on Bedard and Harden, who are cheap because of previous injuries. IF they stay healthy, the payoff is massive.

Pete,

I'm not sold on this Delgado idea at all. I would stick to your first thought.

Why not try Jim Thome? Seriously the man hits 30+ HRs a year, could DH or play first and puts a dangerous bat behind Markakis and Jones.

Your thoughts?

Andrew -

Who cares if he's 37? When he was 36, he hit 38 home runs.

In 2006, Frank Thomas hit 39 homers with the A's as a 39-year-old after playing just 34 games the year before.

The argument that signing Delgado would "stunt the growth of the young players" is just plain ridiculous because, read this part carefully, the O's do not have a first baseman of the future in the system. Michael Aubrey? Nice glove, but you're not going to win the AL East with a first baseman who hits 15 homers. Ditto on Brandon Snyder, minus the glove.

So, if, and only if, he's willing to play on a one year, incentive laden contract, sign Delgado for 2010. If he flops, big deal. This team isn't going anywhere in 2010 anyway. If he mashes, great. Maybe he helps the team win 82 games. Thank him, let him go, and sign Adam Dunn or Carlos Pena or trade for Prince Fielder or Adrian Gonzalez.

And who cares if he doesn't stand up for the National Anthem? Last I checked, baseball players weren't required to agree with Presidents who start illegal wars.

Neither Delgado(who rejected the O's before), Matsui, Johnson, Thome or even Aubrey Huff would be willing to tome to the O's. Keep dreaming.

I'm not required to agree with the president or anyone else on any issue, war or peace, but I damn well stand for the National Anthem! NO to Delgado.

I'm a bit reluctant to take a chance with Delgado, I just don't think he'll make it through a long season. I'd love to see Thome at 1st, but I'd take Huff back before I'd take a chance on Delgado.

I say they bring back Millar. Heck of a scholar and also a model American.

And who cares if he doesn't stand up for the National Anthem? Last I checked, baseball players weren't required to agree with Presidents who start illegal wars.

Posted by: not brooks | November 23, 2009 6:36 PM
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How about presidents who are socialist marxist and continue those "illegal" wars? Would he stand for them? Maybe we can find out come April when he's playing for some team other than the Orioles.

No way in hell would I pay a cretin who doesn't stand for the national anthem. You don't like the country, get the hell out and see if you can make millions pulling goats all over the dusty fields of Puerto Rico.

Hey, "not brooks":

Obama's war on individual freedom and capitalism, and in favor of socialized medicine and Communism, is NOT illegal. He was legally voted in by leftists radicals like you, right? Even though he's not a U.S. citizen....

to Hoot Gibson... great Obama reference !

no.

Delgado should not even be on the O's radar.
How in the hell can we just coldly say "good-bye" to a long-time great Oriole like Melvin Mora because he had an "off"" year offensively, and then turn right around and consider has-beens like Delgado and Beltre ?
Tell me what either of these guys bring to the team that Mora does not.
To me, Michael Aubrey should be at the top of the 1B list and then Rhyne Hughes, and then Snyder.
If you add Delgad o to that list, he still comes in fourth.
I'd rather re-sign Huff than Delgado.
At least he can play 3B as well as 1B.
The main goal, hoever, should be Erik Bedard to the rotation and the lefty from Atlanta to the role of closer. (can't think of his name)
Pitching is what is going to lift the Orioles out of the ALEast cellar..... not washed-up bum like Delgado or Beltre.

From a baseball standpoint I think it's a mediocre move. I would do it at a low price. He's not going to be the 1B for a true contender, so at some point a REAL solution is going to have to happen, which I think means a trade (Adrian Gonzalez is my hope).

But I like that he has a social conscience and makes mindless reactionaries who think patriotism means performing hollow rituals pissed off, so from that standpoint I would love to have him!

We don't know Aubrey or Snyder can't work out at 1st. They need a shot. We all agree this team goes nowhere next year, why not take a look?

Plus, corrct me if I'm wrong, Delgado is the type of FA that would lose a draft pick for the 0's.

Finally, this team does NOT have unlimited cash coffers. If they can't find proper pieces to the puzzle, wait a year when the field looks stronger.

Adding Delgado does nothing for this team 3 years out. That should be the goal with any free agent signing, since, as most of us agree, 2010 is a lost cause.

Here's a proposition - maybe the Orioles should go after Mauer. I know, I know, we have Weiters, so why would we want a catcher, right? But I've always wondered why teams wouldn't try to get two top catchers, so as not to wear either one down so much - like is now becoming more and more popular with running backs in football. Then they would do better at the end of the season and have longer careers. Whoever's not catching could DH, play 1b or LF, something like that. And that you wouldn't have to carry some crappy backup catcher that couldn't hit. Wouldn't this be the ideal situation?

Here's a proposition - maybe the Orioles should go after Mauer. I know, I know, we have Weiters, so why would we want a catcher, right? But I've always wondered why teams wouldn't try to get two top catchers, so as not to wear either one down so much - like is now becoming more and more popular with running backs in football. Then they would do better at the end of the season and have longer careers. Whoever's not catching could DH, play 1b or LF, something like that. And then you wouldn't have to carry some crappy backup catcher that couldn't hit. Wouldn't this be the ideal situation?

I think it would be dumb. Thanks for asking.

Hey Bear.... good post but what are "bieds" and why are you a fan of them?

If the price is right, get him. Like to balance that out with a RH bat....or Figgins. Find a way to move Jones down in the order...I like Adam, however a higher obp is needed in the 2 hole...why not Reimold?

Roberts, Reimold, Markakis, Delgado, Weiters, Jones, Scott, 3b, Izturis v. righties.

Roberts, Markakis, Reimold, Delgado, 3b, Jones, Weiters, Wigginton, Izturis v. lefties.

If said 3b were Beltre or Glaus they'd be nice lineups. Sign Figgins (doubtful, but prove me wrong please) and you've got an awesome 1-2 punch at the top that compares with any in the AL East.

And Roy, you really don't want to see Thome play 1b.

If the price is right, get him. Like to balance that out with a RH bat....or Figgins. Find a way to move Jones down in the order...I like Adam, however a higher obp is needed in the 2 hole...why not Reimold?

Roberts, Reimold, Markakis, Delgado, Weiters, Jones, Scott, 3b, Izturis v. righties.

Roberts, Markakis, Reimold, Delgado, 3b, Jones, Weiters, Wigginton, Izturis v. lefties.

If said 3b were Beltre or Glaus they'd be nice lineups. Sign Figgins (doubtful, but prove me wrong please) and you've got an awesome 1-2 punch at the top that compares with any in the AL East.

And Roy, you really don't want to see Thome play 1b.

the orioles should pass on delgado. let michael aubrey play 1st base

Patriot and easywriter -

Just for your information, there's more than one political party in this country.

Just because I don't agree with Bush's war doesn't mean I support Obama.

To everyone else: Delgado on a cheap, incentive based deal would be great for this team.

Pete,

But isn't this the same guy who DISSED us the last time he hit the market! I would rather the O's go in a different direction!

It always seems like the O's have to settle for over-the-hill or damaged goods guys. Frank Thomas did have one heck of a season with the A's a few years back when everyone thought he was done. I think I'd rather see Thome than Delgado. I don't think Aubrey would put up power numbers but I do think he could hit for a high average. For the O's to compete in the AL East, they're going to need some offensive pop out of the first base position more than I see Aubrey providing. I also agree that the verdict is still out on Snyder and his ultimate power potential. Norfolk is a tough place to hit for power so maybe Snyder's numbers there were somewhat downwardly skewed.

Why would the Orioles not want to sign Holiday or Bay. I know that they would be hard to entice but if were going to spend money, WHY NOT put all the money together and gain another piece of our puzzle for the future. WOW Bay and give him a hugh contract worth alot. Forget the middle tier free agents and get one top tier one. We have alot of the parts now-What we need is a power hitting right hander-Go after one big hitter, sign him to a long contract and wait.

I know were afraid of commitment in Baltimore. For every Albert Belle there is a Frank Robinson. SIGN ONE OF THE BIG FREE AGENTS THIS WINTER. Give the fans a reason to have hope. This is the time in AM's plan. Go after Bay, Holiday, or Lackey-PERIOD

Delgado. No.

Russell Bryanan, yes. (that guy hits them a MILE...the sound of him hitting a ball is different than anyone else).

not brooks: way to ruffle the feathers of the silly people.

bryan adams: I'm a HUGE advocate of Joe Mauer in Black-n-Orange. BIG BIG FAN.
--and yes, he'll sign with the O's if they offer the Most money. Most Money = Best Player.

Better to just save the dinero and let Aubrey play 1B. He's probably good to hit 270-.280, 20+ doubles, 15+ homers, and 80+ RBIs over an entire season. This won't win us the pennant, but that's not happening anyway next year.

The money saved should be directed to fixing the bullpen, the starting rotation, and trying to lure the likes of Figgins to town.

We need to scout players that are likely to sign for 2-3 years, that play hard, and that have good attitudes. When we find them, we need to pursue them aggressively and stop fooling around with all of this "deliberate" approach non-sense.

Andy needs to grow a pair and make some well thought out, aggressive moves, to show that the Os are serious about building a winner! The fans will be appreciative.

Seriously guys, Mauer is NOT coming to the Os. If he ever decided to leave Minn., the most likely stop is NY. In all likelihood, he's probably staying put with the Twins at a modest hometown discount.

To all those who think next year's free agent class is going to be the be all end all, odds are that most of the top names will sign extensions or will be traded to teams who will sign them to a new contract. Some will enter free agency, but after you subtract the studs that go to Boston and NY, there ain't gonna be much left for the likes of the Os to chew on. Best come to grips with that now.

roberts 2b
markakis rf
jones cf
dye 1b/dh
reimold lf/dh
weiters c
scott dh/1b/lf
feliz 3b
izturis ss

wiggington 1b/3b
Andino 2b/ss
catcher
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Delgado, Derrek Lee, and Troy Glaus are all rumored to be on that list of 104 Roiders.

Would rather they sign Pedro Feliz for 3rd and Xavier Nady for first base.

Agree that neither Syder or Bell have a chance at being even above-average big leaguers.

The best choice right now would be to give Michael Aubrey a chance to play. He's a line-drive hitter with a beautiful glove at first.

I don't think DelGado is the right choice for the Birds, but whether or not he "salutes the flag" has absolutely nothing to do with my decision. There isn't any song ever written that I could listen to over 200 times a year and really pay close attention to (I could probably pretend to). My guess is that if we knew the political, ethical, philosophical, sexual, racial, food, religious, and musical preferences of everybody on the Orioles or Ravens or whomever we root for, we wouldn't want many of them to get near our daughters. Heck, Baltimore demi-god Ray Lewis is quite probably a murderer, but that doesn't seem to stop most Ravens fans from going crazy for him and wearing his jersey! The O's have a whole lot bigger problems than whether some player is a "true blue patriot" or not. Personally, I'm loyal to 95 wins and the playoffs.

Patriot- whoa chill dude.... this isnt a political blog. nobody cares what you or i think about the president. lets not go there...

No. Delgado is over the hill. He will not be productive. Now he wants to come to the Orioles when his productivity is no longer there wanting a salary larger than he deserves. I also do not want the Orioles to bring back Aubrey Huff. They have been down that road before and it did not work.

To Not/Brooks Who Cares . Who Cares ? All the Families of the Men and Women of whose Son ,Brother Friend or Brothers In Arms who Lost a Loved One Protecting US ! Thats Who Cares !

The O's aren't winning the pennant in 2010.
(Big News Flash) So how about saving and making the big push when better options are available. Aubrey at first and either Figgins or Glaus at third. Everyone saw what lousy defense did in the playoffs. Uggla would be curse on the field and his average is just under .250 for the last 3 years.He's an inferior version of Adam Dunn, but with even worse fielding. And Delgado is obnoxious but a beast at the plate if healthy, thats a big if.

DEL-GOD-NO!

Thome is a better option, if even an option at all.

And I like the suggestion to trade for Joey Votto. From what i understand he's somewhat available as well because the Reds have a real big 1B prospect waiting in the wings.

DelGado, No unless really cheap.
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Get us 1 GOOD SP for more the 2 years. We have a core of young pitchers on board and in the pipe line. Pitching wins ball games over the long season. Lets give out young guns a chance to show what they have in a full season. The bull pen will take care of itself, if the starters go 6 or 7 innings. I think our young arms will go deeper into the games this season with more experience.
Don't sign anyone who will not be of help 2-3 years down the road. FA not great this year, we can make the big moves when we know what we have
on hand and a better FA market. We will seen more production out of our young players in 2012, Reimold, Weiters, Pye, Jones, and Aubrey will improve, they are for real. Reimold and Weiters will provide us with much needed power. We know about Roberts and Markakis, we need to learn about the other young players before we go crazy in the FA market. I know we won't contend in 2010, so lets watch our young players trying to prove they belong in the Bigs.

excellent use of "extrapolate"!

I think no matter what the orioles do they will still loss almost 100 games. Let's face it who would really want to come to baltimore to lose year after year.............

This article that basically asks the question, "should we allow Delgado to play in Baltimore"? As if he has no place else to go and he's just begging for a chance to play with the Os.
Question should be,"How much should McPhail overpay Delgado in hopes of luring him in before another team grabs him first"?

Not interested in Delgado. Odds are much higher that he breaks down and puts up mediocre stats than he bounces back to 2008 levels, and I don't get why he'd be an "affordable" option. As if him asking for $12MM per year is the Wal-Mart price.

As for his political stance, considering how Angelos wants to go back to Cuba I don't think that Delgado's beliefs will matter one way or the other to the warehouse.

Adam LaRoche anyone? He'd probably put up the same numbers as a healthy 38 yr old Delgado would. And he'd probably be able to match those numbers for a couple more years. And he'd be nice to have around in case Snyder doesn't live up to the hype. Bell appears to be the real deal, so why don't we keep Wigginton at 3rd until Bell gets called up? The money saved by not signing a 3rd baseman could go to attempting to sign starter & a closer this offseason

Not interested in Delgado. Would be more interested in trading for Josh Johnson and maybe signing Jermaine Dye for 1-2 years. He said he would be open to playing 1B if necessary.

In response to an earlier comment, I think Brandon Snyder will develop into a 20-25 HR, over 100 RBI's with a .300 - .315 BA and a .370+ OBP. He is a very good hitter and a RBI machine. Kind of like a RH Nick Markakis. His power will develop.

How is this for a signal to fans if they sign Delgado: The O's are now officially a retirement home for end-of-their-careers, declining-performance sluggers. No, thanks. Either play ball in the free agent market or don't bother.

Bird Fan in FL ... is right!

Adam LaRoche was a rookie in 2004. From 2005 to 2009, LaRoache:

- has played in AT LEAST 136 games,
- has had AT LEAST 500 plate appearances, and
- has hit AT LEAST 20 HR's.

He will be only 30 years old this season. He plays a quality 1B.

He is not without his downside. His strikeouts are a little alarming but he is not immune to taking a bases on balls.

Clearly, he is not the second coming of Murray, Palmeiro, Powell or Gentile. But he's not a reclamation project either.

The obvious thing with Delgado is he would only come here to show he still has "it." If he already shows he still has it, the Mets or somebody else will toss money his way. He would be happier there, too.

Sure, it would be nice if the Orioles pursued improvement through their pocketbook. But they should rent-to-own; not rent to move on.

LaRoche. Now. We're six years late on Delgado.

(If Brandon Snyder develops into something, then we can deal from strength of having too much of something. The only thing the Orioles have had too much of in the past 12 years is Vitamin B.)

It all depends on the price. The O's need a first baseman. Delgado had good numbers that matter in 2009, not just the old-sportswriter RBI stats cited above. If he's a million dollars or less, why not? That's a pittance in today's baseball economy.

I'd rather see them take a one-year flier on Delgado than make a multi-year play for somebody like Holliday or Bay.

Why? Why? If we're just waiting for Snyder, Huff is about as good as we're going to get. The most we're hoping for here is that Delgado would be a small improvement over Huff, and if things go the other way we'd have a season of committee work at first base. If we're not going to get Pujols and ditch Snyder, I just can't see replacing a pretty decent short-term option with a potentially pretty decent short-term option.

Holliday or Bay makes no sense. The OF is the only area we don't need help. Reimold isn't going to convert to 1st, and Luke Scott already failed his tryout.

Delgado's durability concerns make him a risk, even at a cheap price. A 38 yr old coming off a 100AB season screams RED FLAG to me. What do we do if he misses significant time? We're back to Michael Aubrey at 1st. Why not go for a younger, durable option with much less fanfare and much more defense (LaRoche) who can still hit Eutaw Street?

I wouldn't mind Beltre at 3rd but he's probably going to cost much more than he's worth. Pedro Feliz/Troy Glaus look like the best available (cheap) short term options there, it just depends on whether you want bona-fide power (Glaus) or bona-fide defense (Feliz), and I say defense. The hot corner will have to be manned by someone with skills, as our young pitching will need some nifty glovework to bail them out from time to time. I know we could use a power hitting righty but Glaus has an injury history and other baggage that Roidland (OPACY) doesn't need.

Perhaps it would be best to avoid the temptations of an overall weak FA hitting class this year and go all out for Lackey. Perhaps go get the RP Gonzalez from Atlanta and take a flier on Harden, Sheets, or Bedard in hopes that one of them can be traded before the deadline. McPhail has done a terrific job of flipping guys & getting much in return, so if we could just focus on getting a couple of "damaged goods" SP for cheap, then pray they stay healthy, I think we'd be able to make some moves to set us up for 2011.

No, no and no Schmuckster! You cling to the old ways. Has Beatigan returned? No more has beens. No more old guys. No more grumpy old men. Sign some quality players ie; Holliday, LaRoche or Bay or let the youth movement take root. I think Snyder is ready and Aubrey looks like a nice find too. I'd rather go w/ either of them than an old guy coming off an injury.

Capella -

A reporter recently asked Reds GM Walt Jocketty if he was going to trade Joey Votto.

Jocketty's response was similar to your Delgado pun: "Oh, God no!"

My leaning would be against Delgado.

However, one possibility it seems no one is talking about is Vlad Guerrero- at DH. Sure, he spurned us in '04 and probably wouldn't want to come here, but do you think we would consider Vlad? Given his recent injuries and age, perhaps we can get him relatively cheap. When healthy, he is an absolute baller and one of the most underrated hitter of all time! We play Vlad at DH and move Scott to first, to platoon w/Aubrey.

Thoughts?

Vlad is nice, but reports have been coming out of Jermaine Dye's camp that he's potentially willing to move to 1st base. He could solve the 1B/cleanup/right handed power issue immediately. We MUST go after Jermaine Dye if he's willing to play 1st base. Not a half a$$ offer like Tex, either.

Luke Scott will give better defense and just as much offense, plus he's easy to root for. Also,on football,any significance to scheduling Indy at Baltimore,Arizona at St Louis and Tennesee at Houston on the anniversary weekend of Pete Rozelle's most regretable decision/

I don't know if Delgado is the right guy or not. I think the stopgap first baseman is a fine idea if you are sure you have a stud coming up behind him and that is where the problem lies for me. Nobody in baseball seems too sure about how good Brandon Snyder is. That's a major "what if?" scenario that I would not be comfortable with. This is the American League East and if you're gonna keep a seat warm for somebody then you better be pretty darn sure that he's gonna stack up against the likes of Teixeira, Pena etc. I don't know if the front office/Peter Angelos would be willing to pay his contract but I would love to see them make a run at Miguel Cabrera. I know he's had issues but he's 26 and puts up amazing numbers in a huge ballpark. He's due around 20 mil. a season for the next 6 years but he's just as good a hitter as Teixeira and they were willing to give him 20 mil a season.

Don't know if Delgato is the best answer at 1b, but 1 thing I do know is that he is a class act and doesn't juice.

ESPN's Buster Olney is reporting Tigers looking to dump Miguel Cabrera's salary...if the O's don't have to trade Jones/Wieters/Tillman/Matusz, they should package any other prospects neccessary to get him. Put him at 1B, and let him be our right ahnded power hitter for next 6 years. It would be the perfect fit. He makes about $21 million per year but fits our exact need.

I would rather see them take a chance on Vlad.

Wont Delgado and Glaus cost them a draft pick?

Beltre on 3rd and probably sticking with Aubrey on 1st is what we got.

Scott is too streaky. I would like to see them trade Scott for something at the AS break. Does you no good that he hits 8 hr's and .432 in 13 games and 17 the rest of the way, averaging about .230 playing regularly.

Aubrey Huff had better numbers in 2008 and they couldn't wait to get rid of him.
His natural position is 3rd base. We need someone at 3rd more than 1st which any number of existing players can handle. Or overpay Beltre to play 3rs.
What do these alleged experts really know about baseball.
Sign Erik Bedard, if he's remotely healthy. Starters would be Bedard, Guthrie, Bergusen, Matus and Tillman, not bad. Koji closer, fille in the rest with exisiting leftovers and somewhat promising rookie contenders.

Can anyone certify that his hip will hold up? If so, he's a steal..........

Absolutely!
Delgado can rake, should be cheap (incentive laden deal) and if he doesn't work out Aubrey or Scott can fill in.

Also

Sign Tejada for 3rd, Bedard for opening day

OMG easywriter,

How we even got to that on an Orioles blog is beyond me, but just so you can rest a little easier about our President:

Birth Certificate

Article and birth announcement from HI paper from 1961

So unless all of HI participated in a conspiracy in 1961, I'd say liars and propagandists duped you on that one.

Now that that's all settled, I think Delgado is OK. Just as likely to flop as to do well.

In theory we're due for one of these retreads to actually do well for us aren't we?

I will say that he only has to play well for 2 months before we can ship him (or whoever) off by the deadline when Aubrey/Snyder/whoever are knocking hard on the door for their real shot.

Shamrock -

Vlad, Delgado and Glaus are all Type B free agents. Their 2009 teams would receive a supplementary pick (between rounds 1 and 2) if they sign elsewhere this winter.

Sure, sign Cabrera. What a great influence on the youth movement. Maybe they'll all get close to the playoffs and then go on a bender and choke while hungover.

Guy's a great hitter. Its an interesting debate. He strikes me as having potential to pull an Andruw Jones though.

WHY DO THE ORIOLES WANT TO KEEP GETTING OLD WASHED NUP BALL PLAYERS THAT IS PAST THERE PRIME.THEY NEED TO STICK WITH BUILDING WITH YOUNG PLAYERS AND STOP TRADING THEM AWAY.

WHY DO THE ORIOLES WANT TO KEEP SIGNING ALL THESE OLD WASHED UP PLAYERS.THEY SHOULD KEEP BUILDING WITH THE YOUNG PLAYERS THEY HAVE AND STOP TRADING THEM AWAY

While I agree Delgado could be a decent value, the O's don't need another one dimensional left handed bat. Scott is a liability at all times, but especially against lefties, Markakis is not the same hitter against them either and both Roberts and Weiters are more effective from the left side. This leaves Reimold and Jones as the only right handed threats and they have a combined experience of less than three years. They need to find a veteran right handed bat. Also, I like Snyder, but he's still a long way from major league ready.

While I agree Delgado could be a decent value, the O's don't need another one dimensional left handed bat. Scott is a liability at all times, but especially against lefties, Markakis is not the same hitter against them either and both Roberts and Weiters are more effective from the left side. This leaves Reimold and Jones as the only right handed threats and they have a combined experience of less than three years. They need to find a veteran right handed bat. Also, I like Snyder, but he's still a long way from major league ready.

While I agree Delgado could be a decent value, the O's don't need another one dimensional left handed bat. Scott is a liability at all times, but especially against lefties, Markakis is not the same hitter against them either and both Roberts and Weiters are more effective from the left side. This leaves Reimold and Jones as the only right handed threats and they have a combined experience of less than three years. They need to find a veteran right handed bat. Also, I like Snyder, but he's still a long way from major league ready.

I'm a Mets fan, and I'd be OK with Delgado coming back to us. The Orioles could do worse. His power numbers were down last year because of Citifield. EVERYONE's power numbers were down last year because of Citifield. He had been playing terrific ball before his injury. What you need is a crystal ball. If he is healthy, he is a force in the middle of the line-up.

The nonsense about not respecting the flag is a red herring. I assure you that Delgado isn't a terrorist, he is an intelligent and thoughtful individual. Before the Mets signed him it was made clear that it was a political statement regarding the US performing nuclear testing near Puerto Rico. Would you want that in your backyard? Would you look for ways to bring attention to the problem if it WAS taking place in your backyard? He told the Mets upfront that he would desist the practice if it was going to cause a public relations problem. I haven't heard a word about it between then and now. This argument is significantly out of date.

a) Might doesn't make Right.I love my country, but acknowledge it's faults. We can do better in a lot of areas. You should WANT us to do better.
b) Anyone can respect the flag, or not, and say what they want, or not. Do you understand what democracy is all about? "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".
c) Blind patriotism is neither a virtue, nor an indication of significant synaptic activity. We all have an obligation to think for ourselves and to responsibly challenge our government.
d) Rush Limbaugh, etal, aren't a source of news - just mean spirited cynicism and miss-direction. Try listening to national public radio, where most important issues are routinely analyzed from all angles - including both sides of the political spectrum - by intelligent respectful experts. It isn't quite as entertaining as Rush, but you'll learn something besides hate and fear. Believe it or not, the desire to seek knowledge is a virtue. Anyone who just rudely blames "them" for all our problems, and constantly reduces every argument to hateful and illogical propaganda isn't teaching you anything.

NO!

The time to sign him was 4 years ago; instead they went cheap (as usual) and signed the lamentable duo of Jeff Conine and Kevin Millar.

Quit signing aging bargain basement specials and spend some decent money on real talent for once!

Carlos Delgado playing within a 5-mile distance of Fort McHenry...sounds like a winner to me.

Pete

NO to the met's first baseman!!!!!!let resigned audrey HUFF pleaseeeeeeee!

Worth a chance at the right trice. let's see what up with Uggla first.

Sounds like David Sequi redux. How'd that work out?

A poster was right when he said, they should have signed him 4 years ago, but went with Millar instead. They really showed Delgado who was smart, ha?
What makes anybody think that Delgado would ever consider coming Balto. anyway? Keep dreaming. As if there will be no other teams vying for his services. Trust me, as soon as that 2nd bidder stepped in the mix McPhail will drop out.

just sign the cheapest 1b/dh that will come here on a one-year deal of delgado, lee, dye, huff, branyan, blalock, nick johnson, laroche, guerrero, glaus, etc. even thome. it doesn't really matter. one guy who can 1b/dh while scott does the other, fills out the lineup and can be traded in july if necessary. preferrably someone who can teach the young hitters some good habits (much like a good starting pitcher not named bedard would do).

that may eliminate laroche, glaus, guerrero and any juicers, but it's ok to sign a veteran on a rebuilding club to transition - either into brandon snyder, josh bell or whomever is available on the free agent market next year.

Being an Oriole fan living in Toronto, I have some insight to the Delgado question. Although he has put up some good numbers in his career, he has also been injuy prone through out those years. I think its a risk on the level of picking up someone like the Big Hurt. The Jays did that and it worked for a year but the second year was a dud. What I don't think Delgado has that Frank Thomas does, is the intimidation factor. As a player gets older, their reputation preceeds them and as in Thomas' case it works. Delgado never struck fear in the opposing pitcher. So I think the O's should pass on this one.

I'm sorry, am I missing something here? The guy went for 38 bombs last time he was healthy. And it isn't like he has a history of injury problems, either. He played in at least 128 games every year from 1996-2008, an he had over 30 bombs in all of those seasons save one. If the Orioles are going to be a .500 club, they need to have power at first base, and Delgado is the difference between them having and not having that power. We all like Aubrey, but the fact is he isn't a power hitter, and neither is Snyder, for that matter. Warring could be, but he isn't close to ready yet. Two years of Delgado should give us in the ballpark (heh) of 70 home runs. It's that or reaching for the remote every time the team goes down by 3 runs.

And if you don't like his politics, then feel free to withhold your vote when he run for governor. Otherwise, I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I find it ABSURD that certain people want to avoid signing a player because he doesn't stand up for the national anthem. Since when should anyone (American or not) be required to stand for the national anthem? Please. Delgado (and you and I) have every right to stand, sit, sleep through, or salute during the national anthem at a baseball game. It's amazing how certain American citizens would prefer to limit someone's rights in this country for pointless reasons. I salute those who want to sign a player because he fits on the team, not due to his political beliefs.

And with that in mind, forget Delgado. He's old, will overcharge, and will not come to Baltimore on a one year contract.

This article that basically asks the question, "should we allow Delgado to play in Baltimore"? As if he has no place else to go and he's just begging for a chance to play with the Os.
Question should be,"How much should McPhail overpay Delgado in hopes of luring him in before another team grabs him first"?

The time to sign Delgado was 2006, not now when he's near the end. Instead of going after him, they offered a few lowball deals and the cheapskate Angelos ownership wound up stucking us with the immortal Kevin Millar and Jeff Conine.

Sign Holliday or trade for a legitimate fourth place hitter! The team dropped over 20 million in salaries since last year.Spend some money for once!

Why would we want to sign him now? Remember when everyone wanted Delgado including the O's he snubbed us? He didnt want to come here! Now that he is a washed up reject, nobody wants him, now, yeah now, he will come here! Just like mark Texiera will want to come here when he is 42 years old and batting .212 with 4 homers a season. Do not sign this Delgado, he refused to come here when we wanted him, now let him suffer!

No to Delgado.

No to Right Wing Nutjobs who denegrate the greatest President since Abraham Lincoln.

I don't see the risk in signing Delgado. I agree with many of the posters in that he will get a lot of offers from other teams and unless it's the Nats or Pirates, they will be better than us.

One name that I haven't heard mentioned is Xavier Nady. Nady played 1B for the Pirates for a brief time while the team was going through injuries and I know Giradi said he would use him at 1B along with Swisher before they signed Tex. Nady could play LF, spell Nick in RF, DH and play 1B plus this is a guy who tore up the AL when he was traded to the Yanks. One advantage of being a lousy team (trying to be nice) is that guys coming off serious injuries, can get a chance to play everyday and prove themselves all over again. I would think a guy like Nady, could be very valuable to the O's.

Can Brandon Phillips play 3B? I heard he clashed with Dusty, who hasn't? The Reds want to unload payroll so if he could play 3B, you get a 20+ HR guy, 20+ steals, hits doubles and knocks in runs so a cheaper Chone Figgins with more power.

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