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September 12, 2009

Matusz: What a way to go out

Don't know for sure whether the Orioles will give rookie Brian Matusz another start, but I'm guessing he just completed his first professional season on a very high note. That's what Orioles officials were looking for when he took the mound today, and he just gave up four hits over seven innings and finished strong by striking out Derek Jeter with his 106th pitch.

matsuzguetty.jpgJeter's expression after that strikeout said it all. He stood at home plate taking off his batting gloves and watching Matusz walk back to the dugout. It was a look that clearly said "I'm impressed." So were the rest of us.

Matusz -- at left in a photo from today's game -- would do well to sit down now and spend the offseason knowing that he can compete with the best in baseball. The last thing he will remember is scoring a resounding victory over the Yankees at the new Yankee Stadium. Can't top that.

He has pitched 157 2/3 innings combined between the minor leagues and the O's rotation. That's more than enough for a first professional season. And, if the Orioles shut Matusz down right now, he'll retain his rookie status for next year.

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Posted by Peter Schmuck at 3:22 PM | | Comments (78)
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The Orioles should, and will, shut him down now. He has nothing else to prove and nothing further to work on.

It be great if he won Rookie of the Year in 2010.

The O's take down the Yankees with Tillman and Matusz, and the board is pretty quiet. Those games where the O's are spineless, gutless, soulless, pathetic pansies and get tromped are always more entertaining here.

Here's to more boredom in the future.

I hope this is a glimpse of the future. Great work by Matusz.

I agree that it makes sense to shut him down now. So we lose a couple more games--we've lost plenty already. Next year should be a lot better, from what we've seen so far.

Agree with you all the way Pete. This is the way to finish the season for him. Two very nice wins in a row against the Yanks. I continue to be very optimistic about our starting rotation next year. The offense is showing some signs of life but continues to be spotty however. Still, hard to be upset with 17 runs in two games. Good day.

Boy I like watching Matusz pitch. This season, I get nervous when the O's get the ball and I've caught myself, at times, only paying half attention until we get back to the plate. But, even with Roberts offensive performance today, I'd just get excited every time Matusz walked back out to the mound. He's stupid good with his stuff. I can't wait to see him get ROY next year.

Nice to see a quiet board after back-to-back solid starts from Tillman and, especially, Matusz vs. the Yanks in New York.

As I've been saying all season, these two guys, Markakis, Jones and Wieters are the future of this team. Hopefully some of the eternal pessimists around here have seen a bit of the light of the future over the past two games.

Good post, Pete.

Pete,

A great way to wrap up his first of many seasons. However on an unrelated note. As AM is upgrading the on field product someone needs to address the on-Air product which is simply horrible. The "A" Team of Palmer and Thorne constantly embarrass themselves as having very little knowledge of the game, JP claiming the Tie Goes to the Runner, and today saying he didn't know the team with the best record picked the format for the playoffs. In the last night, early this morning game, Gary Thorne made 18 references the last 2 1/2 innings about how late it was. They guy is getting paid handsomely to do a job (horribly I might add) that 99.9% of all O's fan would kill to do! Palmer is such a Homer that he can't objectively say anything. Only Buck (who has a terrible voice is worth listening to. Jim Hunter is beyond bad, and what value is Rick Dempsey and Dave Johnson they bring nothing to the table.

On the other hand, the radio team of Joe Angel and Fred Manfra are the bomb. Neither is pretentious and the just report what has happened. Jim Palmer was a great pitcher, loved him as pitcher but this 63 year old botoxed died hair guy doesn't need to be telling us about hitting, and obviously reading the MLB rules from time to time may help him, but he along with all the TV guys need to be on the Dave Trembley shuttle out of town!


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Pete's reply: I don't think there will be any major changes this year in the broadcast booth, unless they add Flangan.

Matusz shows amazing poise and maturity, along with tremendous talent. The rapid emergence of Matusz, Pie, Reimold, Tillman and Wieters is the best news we've had in a long, long time.

The kid pitched another good game today pete. Yea it does look like i will be writing that check out, but just think how much money i am going to save by not paying for my half of the season's tickets if they bring dave t back. That is another promise that i am prepared to keep.

It's ALL about starting pitching which the Yankees have this year. BUT now, with Matusz and Tillman (the Orioles bread and butter) as one and two starters next year - with experience - they will compete in ALL games against the Yankees and Red Sox... You can see the different levels of excellence between the combination of Matusz and Tillman compared with Hernandez and Berkin. Bergy has the talent, smarts and grit against these types of teams also. The Orioles should use Hernandez and Berkin in the bullpen next year until they develop into better starting pitchers.

How nice it is to win back to back against the Yankees. I think this will keep us from reaching that 100 number.

blancione,

Man this should have been a weekend where you should be somewhat excited of what the future could hold. Come on man stop blaming Trembley. Really if you do not like the manager or team. simply do not make threats, just do it. I know you just want to see a winner, we all do.

Give him a break, give everyone a break. Reality is Trembley does his job. sure it would be nice to have LaRussa or someone of that stature to manage the team. but that will not happen. It would be better to have a few quality veterans come in and help this club.

Nice way to end the season! I think the last two days show how this staff COULD develop. Young pitchers need patience and this forum has very little. You have to remember these guys haven't been pitching professionally that long. Good sign for next year, now all these young guys need to do is keep from hurting their arms and continue to mature as pitchers and I do believe this team will see brighter days.

Pete,

Sure would be nce to see Tillman and Matusz end the sason in Baltimore next week.

funny how good pitching and good, timely hitting equals w and makes for good managers. haven't seena negative comment for couple of days except 4 a few DT haters. nobody could have won with the hand he was dealt even though I thought several times he must have lost his mind with some of the choices he has made. But truly, most often he didn't have many good choices to make

Pete, you mentioned Flanagan possibly being in the broadcast booth next year. What's he doing now?


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Pete's reply: Waiting.

Things are looking up. Hopefully we've seen a glimpse into the future of the O's. Andy McPhail is doing a great job. In the next year or two, this will be a team worth watching. Stay out of the way Pete!!! Let AM do his job.

Totally disagree with negative comments about Palmer. He is as good as they get; love Buck too.

Jim Johnson proved again that he is not good enough to be our closer. The guy always has runners on base, even when he gets out of innings. In his last 5 appearances covering 4 innings, he has given up 9 hits and 9 runs. In his appearances starting on June 12 and running through August 11, he gave up one hit or more in 20 straight games, and 17 of the 20 appearances were 1 inning or less. He has had his chance and proven that he isn't effective enough to come in and shut teams down. He is worse than Don Stanhouse. What say you Pete?

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Pete's reply: I would say I have the same concerns as you, but a lot can happen between now and spring training, including JJ figuring some things out.

Hey Pete,

I have a question. Will it be an issue for Bergensen that he only threw 134.1 innings this season? Does the mean that he'll have to get shut down towards the end of next year? Or is there something he can do in the offseason to keep throwing?

p.s. is this repeat post day on the blog? is there a discount on multiple postings?

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Pete's reply: Bergesen should be okay to pitch in the rotation all year next year. I don't think he'll be restricted.

How about next year

Guthrie
Bedard
Bergesen
Matusz
Berkin

I like Tillman to start at AAA and be the first one back up. He's only 22 at that time.

Go Os!!!

Playoffs 2010!!!

Come on O's, one more for the sweep! We need to finish the month of Sept with a .500+ record.

I hope the O's let Matusz go for 5 more innings against Boston next weekend.

O's Tv not as bad as many others. I got a Free MLB innings deal and they have yet to turn it off. (Yea ME!) In the last month I have heard many of the other teams broadcasts,and I have to say that when I had the option I listened to the MASN broad ast over the other teams (when both where options) I tried to listen to the others, but I thought they all where pretty bad. Bad sound quality nothing to say about either team, just pretty boring. Not saying the O's guys are the greatest, but they are far better than many other teams.

The broadcast is the least of out Problems, Pitching and some power bats would really be helpful as we all know....

Nice Wins, hope we learn some things the Great Yankees tank day games also :)

Whatever you think of Trembley, it certainly appears that the O's (in particular, the young guys) have not packed it in and started planning vacations quite yet. That Reimold catch, had it been made by Jeter or A-Rod, would be the lead story on Baseball Tonight. Matusz, Tillman, Weiters, et.al, have been hustling and, pretty much, producing. How can you not bit a little bit excited for the future?

"Guthrie
Bedard
Bergesen
Matusz
Berkin"

Not Sure Bedard, even if we do sign him, will be healthy for opening day. Not sure, but I think he had shoulder surgery?

Maybe we can sign him and trade his injured butt back to Seattle for the rest of there farm system.


Man, what have I been saying about Matusz! I think the kid is, barring injury, going to be special. Just read an interview with Tony Gwynn who said that Matusz was the opposing pitcher he was most impressed with as a college coach. That's some high praise. I really hope this is what we have been waiting for,

Prediction: The Orioles will have their first 500 season in forever next year if and only if Matusz and Tillman are the number 4 and 5 starters. We'll see.........

Also, is anyone else a little uneasy about the closer situation for next year?

Brilliant game!

Nice to see Matusz pound some inside fastballs on the Yankees. Swisher is so used to getting fat pitches over the plate against us, he was obviously frustrated that someone got into his kitchen.

Let's hope we can sweep, send the Yankees into a funk where they finish below 100 wins and get bounced out of the playoffs by the Tigers.

Doug,
I have to admit
Your idea about signing Bedard and trading him to Seattle again is better than my idea of him in the starting rotation..
good one...

I was there for both games. GO ORIOLES!

IF Matusz and Tillman become the next Cain and Lincecum, then maybe we can start competing. I know it's a stretch but the Giants suddenly got good when their # 1 & 2 went something like 20 games over .500. We have a lot of holes to fill but on paper, the Giants' offense is worse than ours.
If we get .500 performamces from the other starters and the 'pen gets better, maybe we can creep up to the .500 level overall.
I know there's a lot that has to go right but if Matusz and Tillamn are as good as advertised then maybe the pieces start falling into place.

Keith Rowe, What? Jim Palmer doesn't know baseball? You're kidding, right?

Palmer brings a wealth of knowledge to the broadcast booth and as will come as no surprise coming from a Hall of Fame hurler, is especially astute when it comes to evaluating pitching performances.

As for your un-called for digs about his supposed cosmetic enhancements, I have no idea whether they're true or not. Some people don't gray as quickly as others. I quite sure that Jim is in excellent shape and is a young 63.

I too was very uplifted with todays clinching of this series despite what happens tommorrow. A sweep however would be nice.
If one thinks back to Septembers past they were paradeing out what I call pitchers off the junk yard & not very talented pitchers that were from our farm system.
Despite a poor record to date I'm very optimistic for the future.
everybody keeps talking about the last 12 years of losing & links it to today.
As I recall in 1998 Ray Miller had virtually the same cast as Davey Johnson did in 1997.
They have been torn down & rebuilt several times in those 12 years but have never had the number of legit prospects they now have. I say enjoy these September victories as they come. Better time are indeed ahead.

The O's need to play Aubrey at first to see if he can play the position. Maybe they should try some of the young outfielders at first base....
Also Gary Thorne needs to go. The O's have better .

Great effort by the kid. As Lincoln said to Grant in 1864: "I begin to see it." But...bullpen still makes me awfully nervous.

Pete,

I had forgotten that the Phillies Werth was drafted by the Orioles. When you get a chance to take a deep breath, I would be interested on your thoughts of an All Ex-Oriole team of current players. Darnell McDonald is playing in Cincy but strictly guys that started in our system that have made it other places.

SandyK,

Palmer sucks, and there is no debate over the rules, there is NO TIES either the ball got there first or the players did, its black and white.

Jim Palmer was a great pitcher, and if he limited his insights to what made him great he would be much more tolerable. However, I don't ask my plumber questions about my electricity, I don't want to hear a pitcher babble on about the finer points of hitting nor do I enjoy hearing him talk down to everyone who he partners with. For the record, that is why Al Michaels won;t work with him! He's bad! As we turn the corner on the field, doing so in the booth would give us something to enjoy listening to. Joe and Fred for TV with radio simulcast!

Anonymous, Hey, gutless, if you're going to shoot your poison arrow comments at Palmer, at least man up about it and put your name along with them. Don't be a wuss by sitting in the dark and hiding behind "Anonymous."

Pete,Fri and Sat, ain't the beer cold? It's good to be an o's fan....if even for just these two games.......

Pete,

What do you think of Bob Melvin as the O's new 2010 manager?

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Pete's reply: If the O's decide to make a change, I would think he'd be a decent candidate.

How about the Orioles trade Hernandez and Berkin to Houston Astros for 1B switch-hitter Lance Berkman. I know, trading for a Houston Astro first baseman may remind folks of the Glen Davis trade :-(. But, if AM can pull this off without giving up any first or second tier prospects, then Orioles will have themselves a leader and a productive 1B at the age of 34 years old. One negative - I think his price tag is around 14.5 million a year.

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Pete's reply: I don't think those two guys get you a guy like Berkman, though I'd certainly take him.

Pretty sure the Astros would ask for a little more than that.

Watched both games on the Yankee network.
Matusz and Tillman. Nice to see some effective starting pitching from some young guys who just improve with each start, pitch with confidence and poise.

Was actually funny, and if a Yankee fan a bit disturbing, to listen to the announcers talk about Burnett today. The gist of the conversation: how is a guy with such 'nasty' stuff only 14 games over 500 for his career, and will he be ready to pitch at a high level in a playoff situation. Leiter basically said he's an inconsistent two pitch pitcher and not such a good one when he cannot command the curveball.
Should you expect more than 11-9 for your $17mm?
To paraphrase, some of the best FA signings you make are the ones you don't.

Go O's...

Another notch in the bed post for us...shut him down on a good note..we know what he can do, nothing more to prove and why risk an injure....great season M.....
Let Waters pitch a few...

Yankee fans are never satisfied. Many around me were very upset at the loss today. One shouted 'how can you let these minor leaguers beat us'. Was hilarious!

While it was electric being there while Derek got his hit last night, it still amazes me how no yankee ever attained 3,000 hits. The yanks media treated this event as if he broke Roses record....and the fans bought right into it. I believe they just want to go crazy over Derek at every opportunity. I get it actually, as the dude really is a class act!

The new Yank stadium is awesome...... but I like the old one better.

watched game on yankees TV. great game for o's. great to be in yankee land when o's are beating them. and love seeing o's fans in stands at yankee stadium, especially when they are right behind the backstop.

Go O's!

To Keith above: Two words: Buck Martinez, now that guy "well he sure is Gary" drives me crazy ... and you know nothing about pitching and JP knows a hell of a lot about pitching .. and is in the damn HALL OF FAME ... . He is always interesting. And what is wrong with a "homer" on a team 40 games out of first. If MASN had any sense they would use Dempsey and Palmer as their analysts all time... please MASN no more Buck Martinez.... and no more guy screaming ten times a game from Amsterdam.

Pete--Brian Matusz,a bright guy with a good memory (a prerequisite for all talented pitchers), will never forget what he did in the 7th inning this afternoon against the Yankees.

With two men on and one out, leading 6-1, Matusz fell behind Jorge Posada, 3-0. In the bullpen, Dave Trembley had Chris Ray and Sean Henn warming up. Ray has had problems getting New York hitters out in his career. Henn struggled badly as a Yankee pitching in New York. Matusz was one pitch away from coming out of the game.

Matusz bore down and came back to fan Posado on a foul tip snagged by Matt Wieters, one pitch after Posada whacked the mask off of Wieters on a another foul tip.

With two down, Jeter was at the plate. Watching the game, you could see Jeter, not familiar with Matusz but clearly impressed with the young pitcher, mouth the words "breaking ball" to himself. Matusz fooled him with a fast ball. Every pitch in the at bat, Jeter, who is having an outstanding season at the plate this season, was fooled. He checked his swing badly on a curve ball; he was late on a fast ball; he fanned on a sinker.

That performance by Matusz to close out the Yankees in the 7th inning was stellar.

Brian Matusz will never forget what he accomplished in the 7th inning against New York today. I believe he will be a bit like Jim Palmer and will be able to recall for us moments like this, pitch by pitch.

I, too, won't forget it. I am really happy that Brian Matusz is pitching for the Baltimore Orioles. I can't wait for next year: Bergesen, Matusz, Tillman, Guthrie, and Arrieta. Hernandez and Patton, also available.

Let's land a big hitter in the off season and one proven starter.

The pieces are taking shape.

For those of you who watched on YES like me, how 'bout Al Leiter laying into AJ Burnett? Well-deserved of course. He's been handed every possible advantage in NY and still carries the 'underachiever' label. Can you imagine what a disaster he would've been for us?

Keith above: two words: Buck Martinez ... tell me you think this guy is better than JP .. not a chance ... he is terrible ... If MASN had any sense they would use Rick Dempsey and Jim Palmer as their analysts .. and Hunter the majority of the time on play-by-play ... I would be happy with MASN dropping Martinez and the guy from AMSTERDAM.

Will--In all fairness, it was Michael Kay who was laying into AJ Burnett and Al Leiter, a former teammate on the Marlins, who was trying his best to defend him. Ultimately, the best explanation to Kay's incessant questioning of why Burnett, "with his great stuff does not win more games" is that Burnett is "inconsistent."

I think you and I both heard anxiety from both of them about Burnett's chances of pitching well in the post season.

I think right now if Burnett tried to do his tired pie (shaving cream)-in-the-face routine, the pie would fly out of the park.

Pete--Isn't it impressive how well Nolan Reimold plays against the Yankees? He bangs his first Major League home run into monument park off Mariano Rivera.

Today, he booms one out of the park to left, legs out another infield hit (how does this guy run so well with an Achilles' problem?), and made today's Web Gem, sacrificing his body by running full tilt to the left field stands in foul territory and falling in while making the catch. Oh, that's one that Frank Robby would appreciate.

I recall Roch (Saturday's birthday boy) saying about Reimold in spring training that Nolan had the look of a Major League ball player.

Good call, Roch.

Couple of comments -

Regarding the Yankees' announcers ripping Burnett, see my posts in Peter's previous entry. Think we should empty the vault to go get a "front line" starter, huh? If it's not working well for the Yankees, imagine how disastrous it would be for us, after pinning all our hopes & dreams on one "difference maker". What if he doesn't win 20+ games and the Cy Young? Then what? We all jump off the cliff? Grab pitchforks & torches and post "Fire [Insert any Oriole employee name here]" ad nauseum? In my book, save the money to sign the kids we bring up through the system and who deliver the goods to long-term contracts.

On broadcasters: Yes, Gary Thorne makes me want to watch Orioles games with the "mute" button on. For all you Palmer-bashers, go take a flying leap. First of all, the greatest Oriole pitcher who ever lived gets an automatic flyer in my book. Secondly, the man has forgotten more about pitching than all of us will collectively ever know. Could he possibly be vain, arrogant, etc? Who knows, and who cares. I personally think all of the Orioles young pitchers should be forced to sit down in a room with Palmer for no less than 1-2 hours every week and listen to the man talk about pitching. If I recall, when he was an active pitcher, young guys named Flanagan, McGregor, and Dennis Martinez talked about how they sat in the dugout charting pitches and listening to him talk about how he handled batters and situations. Could be wrong, but I think maybe those guys learned something from the Jedi Master.

Pete--My pick for the opener: Ravens 27, Chiefs 17. Rice and Suggs score touchdowns.

Ravens finish the regular season with a 12-4 record.

The Super Bowl: Ravens 38, Eagles 17.

Couple of comments -

Regarding the Yankees' announcers ripping Burnett, see my posts in Peter's previous entry. Think we should empty the vault to go get a "front line" starter, huh? If it's not working well for the Yankees, imagine how disastrous it would be for us, after pinning all our hopes & dreams on one "difference maker". What if he doesn't win 20+ games and the Cy Young? Then what? We all jump off the cliff? Grab pitchforks & torches and post "Fire [Insert any Oriole employee name here]" ad nauseum? In my book, save the money to sign the kids we bring up through the system and who deliver the goods to long-term contracts.

On broadcasters: Yes, Gary Thorne makes me want to watch Orioles games with the "mute" button on. For all you Palmer-bashers, go take a flying leap. First of all, the greatest Oriole pitcher who ever lived gets an automatic flyer in my book. Secondly, the man has forgotten more about pitching than all of us will collectively ever know. Could he possibly be vain, arrogant, etc? Who knows, and who cares. I personally think all of the Orioles young pitchers should be forced to sit down in a room with Palmer for no less than 1-2 hours every week and listen to the man talk about pitching. If I recall, when he was an active pitcher, young guys named Flanagan, McGregor, and Dennis Martinez talked about how they sat in the dugout charting pitches and listening to him talk about how he handled batters and situations. Could be wrong, but I think maybe those guys learned something from the Jedi Master.

Spirit of 1966--I like what you have to say about Palmer. I enjoy listening to him and agree with you that he has so much to teach Oriole pitchers.

But, I would not call him the "Jedi Master." You and I know that if you think of the visual image of the Jedi Master you can't help but see Earl Weaver.

And, yes, Earl, God knows we will always love you.

Sorry for the double post, got an error message the first time I tried to post.

Continuing on broadcasters: Buck seems like a genuinely nice guy, and is knowledgable. Voice is a little annoying, but you get used to it. Again, those who trash Dempsey, stuff it. A much smarter baseball man than most of you give him credit for. If you recall, he was on the fast track to become the Dodgers manager (he managed all the way up to their AAA team, I think), until he must have ticked someone off over there. Should Anonymous get his wish for Christmas (Thanksgiving? Halloween?) that Trembley gets fired, I would like to see the Dipper get some serious consideration for the manager's job. Make Flanagan the pitching coach, that's the job he was best suited for in the organization (other than color commentator in the booth).

Jim Hunter is a "homer"? Off with his head, then. Puh-leeze. Why shouldn't the people who broadcast our games have a little enthusiasm and optimism about the team, especially since the team is paying their salary? If you don't want a "homer", then hire Eeyore. "Gosh, this team is awful. We're never going to win. These guys never do anything right." On second thought, let's not do that. Might get a lot of folks who post on this blog so excited, they'd go into spontaneous combustion.

And one last thought on the broadcasts:

Kill that gosh-awful beer commercial with the old Dutch dude hollering something unintelligible. It was ok maybe the first 10-15 times spread out over once or twice per game. But now, it's ubiquitous. I'm almost expecting to see it between pitches. Just. Stop. Now. I mean really, this beer company only has enough money to shoot one flipping commercial for a whole baseball season?

This was one of those games where I was a lot more interested in our pitching than our offense. How often can you say that? Matusz was simply magnificent, unbelievably poised on the mound. I was worried that he was called up a little too early but he has really gotten more comfortable in the majors, and you can tell!! If this was truly his last start, I wish he'd be pitching when I go see the O's on Thursday, than it really was a good way to go out.

On the other hand, I hate to bring up a bit of negativity but JJ is not going to cut it as a closer. His ERA is now over 4, it's skyrocketed since he was moved to closer. If Josh Bell ends up being an All-Star or at least a very solid third baseman than the Sherill trade would've been worth it, but I hope they have a plan in place for closer next year.

The thought of re-signing Bedard during the off-season is almost serendipitous. To think of the haul we got for him, he gave absolutely nothing in return to Seattle, then would end up back here a couple of seasons later like a boomerang, would be intriguing.

Sadly, I think the guy's left arm (and brain and stomach) is made of fine china, and there are a bunch of hairline cracks there. Not sure there's much of anything left in the tank. Add to that the fact he was only good for 5-6 innings on a good night.

That said, if he comes available, and the fates align and the price is right (el cheapo), then what the heck? Take a flyer and put him in the bullpen as a medium / long reliever. Just might catch lightning in a bottle.

And, we could officially take credit for the most lopsided trade in MLB history, where we utimately get back what we gave up.

Spirit of 1966--You've made me think again of the wondrous trade that brought Frank Robinson to the Birds in December 1965.

Why did we ever think it was all right to trade him to the Dodgers for Doyle Alexander etal?

In his 6 years in Baltimore, Frank Robinson became the greatest player in Baltimore Oriole history.

Spirit of 1966--You've made me think again of the wondrous trade that brought Frank Robinson to the Birds in December 1965.

Why did we ever think it was all right to trade him to the Dodgers for Doyle Alexander etal?

In his 6 years in Baltimore, Frank Robinson became the greatest player in Baltimore Oriole history.

Matusz is the one the FO has been praying for, for the last 15 years. The best since Mussina. He did it all so quickly too. Shut it down now and ride the wave into next year.

I would sooner trade Adam Jones than Reimold. Just like the Ravens (a sucessful and respected franchise), the Orioles should covet player's intangibles and mentality as much as their physical skills. Jone's (despite being an all-star this year) doesn't quite get it, and I wonder if he ever will. Reimold on the other hand, knows how to play this game and will be more and more valuable in the years to come.

BTW: Palmer is far and away the best that MASN has to offer.

I have the MLB package and like another poster said, there are some awful announcers out there. I am a fan of Gary Thorne (I know Anonymous, will fire me for saying that), as well as Buck and Jim Palmer. Being a "Homer" isn't why I don't like Jim Hunter, it's because he has no opinions of his own and his Single White Female like stalking of Palmer in the booth is sad. How many times has Hunter said something like "Jim, how come you didn't come to dinner at my house?"....The reason is because Palmer, would rather try on Hawaiian shirts all night, eat devil dogs and watch a Super Nanny marathon with Pete Schmuck, than spend an extra minute wasting away in Jimmyville.

Koji, has been a disappointment, but I honestly feel that he will be a lights out closer next season for us. He doesn't get beat by other teams, he loses games because he comes out early because of his conditioning, heat or whatever, but for one inning, I think he could be dynamite. I am not sold on JJ, as a closer.

Pete, can the O's live with Cesar at SS? I don't see a Ryan Howard type player walking through the door anytime soon to paraphrase Rick Pitino so I am not sure how a guy hitting around . 250 with an on base percentage of . 282, can help the lineup. Pete, I like his glove, but if the O's could get someone in a trade or fee agency, with some pop, I think they have to explore it. I still like Hardy from the Brewers. I know it's been a rough year, but he is young enough where a change could do him good. There is a reason that Cesar, doesn't seem to play more than 1-2 years with any team and I think it's because not many can afford a light hitting SS regardless of how good he is in the field.

The kid pitched another good game today pete. Yea it does look like i will be writing that check out, but just think how much money i am going to save by not paying for my half of the season's tickets if they bring dave t back. That is another promise that i am prepared to keep.

Posted by: blancione | September 12, 2009 4:39 PM
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Why wait? Start now and give up "your half of season tickets" to a real true Orioles fan; not one who whines and complains all the time. The world is filled with fair weather front runner "fans." Who needs them? Go buy tickets and cheer for whoever is in first place. Only an idiot would spend money on season tickets just to do nothing but whine all the time on blogs.

I can't believe we have so many O's fans that want to get rid of Jim Palmer on our TV broadcasts. Jim is the ONLY one worth listening to. His knowledge about baseball is second to no one. I could care less if he doesn't know about some rule concerning the top winning team choosing the days they play. Like we O's fans are going to be affected. I agree that the rest of our announcers are sub par. I want more Jim Palmer not less!!!!!!

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I'll be the first to start the collection to buy out Bob Lancione's season tickets. Camden will be a better place without your incessant whining. How about making another promise Bob, that you will never post anything on the Sun Sports pages if Dave T., Gary and Ralph all keep their jobs?

These two games give us a glimpse of what next year could be like. I get sick of the McPhail hatin' comments but seriously, he makes very savvy moves. Sure Wieters, Matusz & Tillman all could have stayed one more year in the minors but he was man enough to tweak his grand plan and let them learn on the job.

Anyone wanting to trade Reimold is nuts. You need a guy like this (actually two) on any successful team. Sure you need someone who will hit 35-40 HRS but you also need a tough SOB who dives into the front row at Yankee Stadium.

Gary Thornes belongs at the hockey rink. Palmer might be a tad eccentric but as mentioned earlier, any 7 time cy younger who played his entire career here gets a lifetime pass. They already ran Brooks & Frank out of town.....

lets go for the sweep today.

Palmer is the only who really has anything interesting to say about the game. Martinez is OK, but I'll take Palmer anyday.

Hey Pete,
Do you happen to know what the O's W/L record is when a game is at least started by Guthrie, Bergy, Tillman and Matusz? Or can you point me to where I can figure that out?
Thanks!

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Pete's reply: Some of the stat sites include the final score in players game logs, but I'm not sure which. I'll have to look around.

Hey Rob k i will make you a promise that if they bring back Dave t i will not post on this site ever again. Because if they bring him back they don't want to win. he is not a major league manager regardless of what anybody on here thinks. yes you say he might have been dealt a bad hand but all he is for this organization is a YES man. And Rob K you can kid yourself all you want about Ralph and the terps but you can see right before your eyes that this program is in steady decline with him as coach. If you say anything else you are just kidding your self.He can hardly beat D AA teams anymore his recruiting is horrible.And don't tell me or anybody else on here about where this program was before he got here.End of Story


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Pete's reply: Stop it, Bob. You're not going anywhere.

I have been rethinking my position that young pitchers should not be somewhat coddled.

The Original Orioles "Kiddie Corps" consisted of Jerry Walker, Milt Pappas, Steve Barber, and Chuck Estrada. They spent little if any time in the minor leagues, and in walker's case, he went straight from high school to the Orioles.

At age 20, Walker pitched a 16 inning shutout against the White Sox. I don't think he was ever the same after that and was out of baseball at age 26. Estrada also had a rather short carreer due to elbow problems, and Barber was plagued by elbow problems throughout his carreer. Milt pappas probably ended up being the best of all, and he also piched in the majors as a teenager.

Back then pitchers were expected to go deeper in games, therer were 4 man rotations and pitch count was not an issue. I used to go on and on about complete games and innings pitched by Palmer, Cuellar, Mcnally et al, but I think many promising young pitchers werer just plain blown out back then.

I think the Orioles are handling the young pitchers correctly.


hey, pete,
sure is nice to read all of these positive comments about the orioles in these posts. it is refreshing.
i'm also very optimistic about this club's future. i'm not even sure if they have to go shopping for a big bat in the off season when i consider that jones still has room to improve, and that reimold and weiters should improve. add to that, montenez could prove that he belongs as well as fiorentino and aubrey. i would be satisfied if they only signed some left-handed relief pitching to go with hendreckson before his arm falls off.
i know that i'm really getting off of the reservation with this comment, but, i think that trembley has shown a lot of patience and skill in nurturing these players who will determine the future of this club. he has also demonstrated a lot of courage in giving pie a chance to contribute. if, as you have said, pie is a more mature hitter,then, trembley and his coaches have done more than i thought was humanly possible.
he has also shown a lot of courage for trying players in different roles in the line-up. he has been absolutely torched in these blogs for being"unable to fill out a line-up card" intelligently, with no thought given to the idea that some of his moves are being made to see if a player is capable of filling a certain role or producing in a given situation. we contributors to the blog may not appreciate what trembley has done at times, but i'd bet that macphail does. macphail will go into the winter meetings with just a little bit better understanding of his team, making him just that much better at gauging what moves might make sense, or, what moves to avoid.
i know that i've made this too long for anyone to want to read, but i thought that trembley ought to get some credit due.
i can't resist one more assertion. since trembley is obviously following the plans of macphail and must be in close communications with him, and, since macphail is the only person that he has to please,then, we can expect trembley to be back as manager next year. which i think of as a good thing. y'all get used to it.
but they do call me 'bellevue bob'.

As a O's fan in upstate NY these last few days sure have been refreshing. Listening to Michael Kay on YES suffer is especially rewarding.

Even more suffering is the ESPN team. They buried the Matusz story deep into the SC hour. I'm sure if the Yankees would have won the first two - the lead would have been "Yankees hold their mastery over the woeful Orioles."

Ahhh...I wait for the day when these two games ae the norm again

Hew;

Here are the Os won loss records with Guthrie 11-18, Tillman 3-6, Matusz 5-3 and Bergesen 11-9. I did that quickly by hand. Pardon if I am off by one or something.

Pete,

As great as it was to win a series in NY against the Skankeeys, realistically, it was like the Skanks were playing their best and with meaning. Nothing to detract from what we accomplished this weekend with Jones out, but taking a step back and being realistic it wasn't an apples to apples comparision.

We have needs just to be competitive: front end starter, two corner infielders and a quality DH! Matusz, Bergesen, Tillman and Guthrie make a nice 4 of 5 rotation and Berkin, Hernandez, Michilio, Ray, Johnson are a good start on the pen! But this is the AL East and AM and PA have a lot to do this winter and hopefully lots of money to spend! Were getting there but without the aforementioned parts .500 won't be a reality in this division!

Keith Rowe,
You just had to embarrass yourself by saying: " ... constantly embarrass themselves as having very little knowledge of the game, JP claiming the Tie Goes to the Runner ..."
Unfortunately for you, you think because the rule is silent about "ties," that Jim is incorrect.
However, because the rule says that for the defense to record an out at first base the throw must BEAT the batter; therefore, and here is where it becomes difficult for you and others to grasp, if the throw doesn't beat the batter either by arriving at the same time, or arriving after the batter -- the batter is safe. So, you see, A TIE DOES GO TO THE RUNNER, EVEN THOUGH THE RULES ARE SILENT.


Jackdunn'sbaby.

You seem to know even less about the rules than JP. Below is a question and Answer session for Tim McClelland Major Leagues Senior Umpire!

I am an umpire for Little League. The coach told me that ties go to the runner. I said the batter has to beat the throw to first because there are no such thing as ties. Who is right?
-- L.M.F.

McClelland: That is exactly right. There are no ties and there is no rule that says the tie goes to the runner. But the rule book does say that the runner must beat the ball to first base, and so if he doesn't beat the ball, then he is out. So you have to make the decision. That's why umpires are paid the money they are, to make the decision on if he did or if he didn't. The only thing you can do is go by whether or not he beat the ball. If he did, then he is safe.

Pitiful a HOF player who made his money and career and continues to profess knowledge doesn't know the simplist of rules! Then again there are folks who believe he is knowledgeable????????

I'm glad Tillman or Matusz didn't pitch on Sunday because I would have missed most of the Raven's game. Just think if the O's were better then last

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