at least we have a one run game....
maybe we can get someone on and................BUNT......yeah bunt him over!!!! give up an out and play for a tie.....

or better yet, get two guys on and HIT AND RUN.......that would probably shock the Royals because they may not scout anyone so they don't know how we like to play this game.

Rule #1 go with the strategy that is least likely to score a run....like get a guy to 2nd with one out rather than take the better odds of some one scoring from 1st with no outs.

Rule #2 always pull a pitcher after a certain inning or pitch count and put in your 7th inning guy and 8th inning guy and 9th inning guy regardless of how well the starter or reliever are doing...

Rule #3 ALWAYS stick with your plan of when to rest players even if it costs you a better chance to win a game.

Rule# 4 respect the game

I really like Dave...it's just his rules that I have no patience for

Call me crazy but I think with a very yung rookie making his debut you have togo with whats comfortable with him in which this case it would've been weiters behind the plate. Not saying this would've made a diference but its just they have more familiarity with each other. Like i said I dont know this would've made a big difference but I think it possibly could have and I just wanted to throw that out there. Any thoughts?

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Pete's reply: I don't know. I could make a case either way. Guess Dave just stuck with his original schedule for them.

Absolutely ridiculous. I've avoided jumping on the Trembley-bashing bandwagon, but no more.

We are in a rebuilding year. That means, especially with the way the O's have played lately, player development SHOULD be more important than wins.

There is NO REASON Tillman shouldn't have been left in to get out of that jam. You can give me the "It's his first start" crap all you want, but this guy is supposed to be our ace of the future...so we put on kid gloves and baby him??

"Hi Chrissy...we don't think you can get us out of this, so we're going to take you out now and preserve your fragile psyche."

Absolute BS. And it's not just a Trembley problem, it's prevalent across the majors. What Trembley should have done is go out to the mound and say "Chris, we brought you up here to pitch, so get us out of this jam and then we'll try and get you that W."

I'm surprised managers don't hold a prospect's hand and throw a diaper on him while he's out in the field. Man, do I ever miss the old days of baseball.

looks like tejada is gonna give this one right back to the O's

No let's trade him while his value is high. He gives up too many HRs. He sucks.

(Hopefully people sense the sarcasm)

For the love of Christ take Huff out of the lineup! No MLB team wants him not even the O’s!!!

Sun on top of things I see. Oher signing been out on other outlets for 15 min or so. Guess the Ravens "Insiders" are all asleep.

Damn they would have been better off leaving Grinke in…. This KC pen sucks worse than ours!

CC, Even the Washington Post has better coverage on Baltimore sports man.

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Pete's reply: If you believe that, why are you here?

Someone needs to ask Dave Trembley after the game what position Aubrey Huff was playing today.... Designated Hitter can't possibly be right.

3 Strikeouts.... and not even a "wow, great pitch" or a "man, just barely missed that one" strikeout. He looks almost as pathetic as an American League pitcher trying to hit.

I seem to remember yesterday there was a player on our team who had 4 hits......

I can understand hitters having bad days occasionally… baseball is a game of failure but Huff has been failing way too much lately and is getting rocked by even the putrid Kansas City pen..

Dishonorable mention:

Mora
Wigginton
Zaun

Can we possibly just trade all these bums for a so so veteran pitcher? Please?? Preferably somebody the Orioles didn’t groom and has no history of serious injury

YAY!!! Huff did something!!!

Pete,

All knowledgeable baseball fans know that pitching takes time to develop. Some will try to jump on the O's for over hyping him, which they might have; however in a season where nothing is going for them, do you blame them?

He didn't look bad. He is a rookie. His emotions got the best of him. The one lesson I hope he learned tonight, is that you don't ever throw belt-high fast balls right down the middle, not even to some of the worst hitters in the league. This are the big leagues.

He has good stuff. He is young and he will keep learning. His poise was good. Despite giving up home runs, he kept attacking the strike zone. That's admirable.

To all writing on these posts. Hold back on the criticism tonight. Yes, the manager and the players might continue to make mistakes. It should come as no surprise by now. There is a reason we are at the bottom; however a win is a win. Can't argue with that. Let's enjoy it.

Go O's

I,d like see the moves some of you detractors would make.Trembley did
the right thing by letting Wieters set
tomite.

Jack,

Wieters should have been at least the DH tonight. We won this game cause of KC’s bullpen DT’s managing had nothing to do with it.

Yeah Trembley has to go...i know i know people are gonna say "who out there is better to replace him?" My answer:Anybody! A trashcan, a wheel of cheese or even the King from burger king. That guy i could get behind.

Here you have Chris Tillman making his major league debut and instead of having a guy that has caught him and built some sort of relationship with in Wieters Trembley puts in Gregg Zaun. Wieters could have played tonight and been givin the day off tomorrow.

I am also putting all the blame for the fact that Wieters hasnt really got on track offensively on Trembley. He had 4 hits last night and is on the bench tonight. It seems like everytime Wieters might start to get hot, he gets a day off. No wonder he cant get into a rythm offensively.

The Orioles inability to advance base runners and run the bases properly is costing us games almost on a daily basis. We are last in baseball in sac hits and we are constantly running ourselves out of possible big innings with lack of baserunning concentration.

When i played highschool baseball we got into the cage and my coach made us sac bunt, bunt for a hit and slap bunt before we could hit any other pitching. If you didnt do all 3 you had to leave the cage until your next go round. So if learning how to bunt is being taught to teenagers how is it that a major league baseball player can not do it? This season ive seen the Orioles pop up a sac bunt,get picked off and not even know the pitcher threw over and not be able to execute a rundown. Its the little things and fundamentals that are killing us and that all starts with the coach.

Sorry Dave you have officially worn out your welcome.

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Pete's reply: B, I'm sorry, but you're wrong on the Zaun move. Sometimes, when something happens that you don't like, it doesn't mean the manager is an idiot. Trembley had a rationale for it, and that rationale made sense. You may not care about Wieters knees after 11 innings, but Dave has to care about that, and Zaun's experience was a big factor in that decision. The fact that Wieters caught Tillman in the minor leagues doesn't really mean very much against major league hitters.

Schmucker ???

The Royals had Zero defensive assists tonight that can't be very common,, has that happen before ???

Scott in Columbia

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Pete's reply: Don't know where I could look that up right now, but I would say that's pretty rare.

There is only one move that needed to be made tonight and that was let Wieters catch and then give him the day off tomorrow. That way he 1)Could have caught Tillmans first start ever. Someone who he is familiar with. 2) Could have built off his 4 hits last night and try to string together a few good hitting games in a row.

I can see that and i'm just an idiot writing into the sun paper so what does that make dave trembley?

Not a bad effort from Tillman. A little shaky at times but they were expected from a rookie. Is Adam Jones the real deal or what?? Great job from Markakis, and maybe RBI single was Huff's awakening. Hopefully we'll get a good outing from Bergessen and at least come out with a split. GO Os!!

Just because I enjoy being the devil's advocate:

- Everyone wants to see starters throw 1,000 pitches around here, but 93 isn't bad when your max ever this year is 102 (and in that game he probably wasn't prone to the long ball after a rain delay directly after his warm-up).

- DT had some pretty great points after the game about how Zaun was helping Tillman fix pitches he missed and forced him to mix in his curve. He also had a great throw on the steal attempt.

- Remember when Wieters had 4 strikeouts and went 0-9 in the CWS series last week? The way everyone talks about last night it's like he's an .800 hitter here all the time.

Do you guys bruise your chins when your knees all jerk up so fast at every single decision that's made? How about that we won the game? You're all over DT when he loses, but they actually won tonight. How do you guys sleep when they win? I mean that has to be the worst thing ever when something must have actually worked out for this team and it wasn't even the rookie right?

james stole every last word out of my mouth. i just think all of the haters are just negative nancies. i bet they are just old and as we allknow old people just like to yell and whine when they aren poppin meds. todays breed of baseball is a business get over it. there is no huff sucks cut him. doesnt work like that folks sorry to dissapoint. also i wish people realize that they are no baseball experts or they wouldnt be watching at home so take your blood pressure meds and chill out. i do understand why all the old folk want us to win so bad though. they may niot be here next decade to watch it finally pan out

at first i thought DT made a mistake by not putting Wieters in to catch Tillman's debut. after thinking about it i believe that if Greinke was not on the hill, he would have started Matt. he didn't want to have him come off of his first 4 hit game and face the guy with the lowest ERA in the game and possibly have an o for 4. next year same situation, matt starts. i do believe that was DT's reasoning and i don't fault him for it.

I thought this was about Tillman, not about Huff or how bad a manager DT is.

Tillman has the goods. 21 yo, 96mph heat, great change. In 2 years he is better than Greinke is this year.

Typical performance for a 21 year old. Not lights out - not a disaster. Just OK. We'll see.

But what I really want to talk about is this Rich Hill thing. How dare he trot his rear end out there every 5 days knowing he has a torn labrum and not telling anyone. How selfish is that? He says he had it in Chicago???

The O's pick him up off the scrap heap and give him a shot and this is how he repays them?

And where is the O's crack medical team? This is the most incredible piece of incompetence I have ever seen!

Wow!

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Pete's reply: How, exactly was the "crack" medical team supposed to know the guy has a labrum injury (and I'm not sure that's true)? Think that one through. Does your doctor know when you have a stomach ache, if you don't tell him? Players hide injuries all the time.

Scott,
I read in the ESPN recap that it was only the 6th time a team has had zero defensive assists. The last team being the Reds in 1997.

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Pete's reply: Thanks for that, Chuck. Sounds about right.

Pete,

I suspect the weather had alot to do with the ball staying in the air so much last night. It was humid and hot just like Texas. Greinke didn't have a great night either giving up some long balls. I'll reserve judgement on Tillman until he throws on a drier night.

Pete, you're right, Tillman was overthrowing. His fastball clocked at 91 was much better located than when clocked at 94. But, he didn't walk everyone in the stadium, didn't rely almost exclusively on one pitch, and showed a good bit of the poise we've heard so much about. In short, he wasn't Rich Hill. And to the person suggesting it's "old people" making the negative comments here, I think this board represents a diverse cross-section of people, of all genders, demographics, races, and socio-economic backgrounds. Just my opinion, but I doubt an older more mature adult would say "Huff sucks, cut him".

what he really has down is that fastball changeup combination and know if he can get that big plus curveball over wel have a really special pitcher on our hands looks like a right handed clayton kershaw in terms of stuff

Tillman did a good job he got hit hard because he was mainly throwing fastballs. Appears his chage up and curve were not going over for strikes so they were sitting on the fastball.