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February 10, 2009

Getting Miggi with it

tejadagetty.jpgThe only good thing about today's news that Miguel Tejada (left) has been charged with lying to congressional investigators in 2005? The knowledge that Andy MacPhail got him out of town just before the Mitchell Report was released and we can continue to treat Miggi like he's somebody else's problem.

That, and the fact that we finally have closure on this steroids thing.

You're not laughing.

This really is the never-ending story. Tejada will appear in court in Washington tomorrow and, presumably, get some kind of probation and a lecture about telling the truth. Maybe the judge will tell him he should be more like Alex Rodriguez.

Meanwhile, I've been reading the various opinions on what should be done with the remaining 103 names on that list of players who tested positive for steroids during baseball's supposedly anonymous 2003 survey testing program. I can make a good argument either way, but what's the point? The names will get out. I guess it would be better if they came out all at once to lessen the overall impact, but I'm willing to bet they'll come out in small, painful increments so baseball can continue to wallow in this scandal for another year or two.

Posted by Peter Schmuck at 2:28 PM | | Comments (42)
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It's just as important that we know the names of the players who passed the test. Right now everyone is under a cloud why not release the names of the guys who were clean

Pete , this will never go away . The age of chivalry and clean sports is forever dead .
Re: the other names on the list , I can already pen their statements for them . " I only did it one time ". " I did it to heal an injury " . I didn't know what I was taking " .
As a former abuser , all of the above excuses are weak and don't fly . If you used , you used . Call a spade a spade and enough of the excuses .

If convicted what could be the punishment? Deportation or even worse...forced to return to the Orioles or any other 90 loss team of judges choice??!

if the orioles/andy macphail got rid of miggy b/c of the mitchell report and as a result he'll be someone else's problem then why would they sign another cheat like gregg zaun.
gregg zaun still denies his usage of steriods. he hasn't been asked one question about it. i guess it's because nobody really cares b/c zaun is a scrub. but cheating is cheating and he needs to be called out on it.

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Peter's reply: It's not like there have been a bunch of press conferences for him since he signed.

This makes me wonder about Palmeiro's story of testing positive following a B-12 shot give him by Tejada.

Shame shame....is it me, or do these people only choose to come forward with "the truth" after the fact they have been exposed as liars and cheats? That is not telling the truth...that is more like damage control, usually compounding the original lie with more lies. The only thing these jugheads are sorry about is being caught.

Sincere or not, I didn't really hear any excuses in ARod's statement.

I said he did it because of the pressure, which is a reason, not an excuse. And although he says he didn't know exactly what he was taking (perhaps BS), he still acknowledged that he knew he was taking banned substances.

I'm sure there are a lot of skeptics out there, and rightfully so. But I buy ARod's apology for several reasons:

1) he accepted full responsibility, without throwing anyone else under the bus or shifting the blame,

2) he is the last guy I would have expected to face the music like this; even Palmeiro couldn't do it.

3) he is maybe the only player that has a legal gripe about this information getting released and the allegations being made.


Secondly, I'd like you to comment on the Feds involvement in all this. You said everyone is too concerned with the leak, and not the rule-violation by ARod, but I think we should be equally concerned with both.

The Feds are so concerned with ridding the sport of the "evil" liars and rule-breakers, yet someone in their midst leaked damning information about possibly the best player in the game.

So please tell me, who holds the Feds and the government accountable for their lies and rule violations? It's a ridiculous double-standard and I don't think the government should have any place in baseball.

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Pete's reply: I think you've conveniently forgotten that the lawyer who leaked the grand jury testimony in the BALCO case got 24 months in prison, compared to four months for the ringleader of the BALCO scandal.

Bad move by Miggy. The only people allowed to lie in Congress are Congressmen.

Legalize everything and let any player use whatever substance they want to.

i will bet my next paycheck that one of the 4 sources for that A-ROiD article was his Ex-wife. there is no doubt she is one of the sources.
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Pete,

I don't know but the way the screening was done appears to be that it was not a comprehensive analysis of all the players but a statistical sampling of the total player population to get an idea of how widespread steroid abuse was at the time of testing. What that previously convoluted sentence means is I don't think all the players were tested and therefore the list of 104 players testing positive would not be a comprehensive list of players who were abusing steroids at the time of testing. The players union and the owners would know how many players were tested; however, whether they would release that information is questionable.


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Pete's reply: I don't think that's true. There were 104 positive tests and the percentage of positives was more than seven percent. That means they tested every one on every 40-man roster.

Kind of ironic that Congress can punish someone for lying, yet how many times have politicans gone unscathed for their 'unfullfillled promises'?
It looks like the steroid situation will never go away yet I'm sure many of us are tired of hearing about it. I guess as long as the media can get a response, they'll keep it going. A national magazine like Sports Illustrated still carries national weight for some reason...They've seem to be drifting downwards to the People/US magazine level, with the gossip type news,etc. If a middle infielder or non-descript player were 'outed' there'd be no story...
Anwyay, spring training is around the corner so let's play ball!!

Bigger Problem, 2003 test where still only a fraction of the players. Sampling of Random people to see if stricter testing was needed. There will never be a complete list of users, never.

Nobody cares about Brian Roberts using? He is not a national star, so nobody cares. If he sucked he would have been kicked to the curb with Gibbons.

I am hoping they had coach potato / tv surfing to the olypmics, so I can Steroid up and make millions from being the best most cheating coach potato tv surfer ever. I am already pretty good, so steroids can only help push me to the top!! Does it work faster if I inject right to the clicking finger?


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Pete's reply: Again, they called it survey testing because they weren't looking for individuals. Everybody was tested.

With all the marketing, Madmen nonsense that's been dumped on us by Alex Rodriguez and his team Loosey Goosey, I think it only apropos that Topps cash in too with the complete collectors set of 104.

Pete,

Love your blog- and your shirts!

My question in light of the charges against Tejada is this: Is it possible that Rafael Palmiero has been telling the truth and that he didn't knowingly take a band substance?

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Pete's reply: I believe it's possible and have written that on a couple of occasions. I don't think it's likely.

Is there even the slightest possibility that Raffy was actually telling the truth? That Miggy did give him what he thought was liquid b12? I am still just baffled that someone would sit there in front of Congress with such confidence as Raffy seemed to have that day and then fail a test so soon after. Maybe I just want the B12 excuse to be truebecause I was a Raffy fan.

I say release the names. The punishment should include a disqualification for Cooperstown and removal from the record books of any accomplishments and leave their careers and salary alone for the past offences. You are comparing apples to oranges with the roid boys to the old timers. Its just not fair.

Pete,

Does this story possibly give any more credibility to Raffy's contention that he was unwittingly given steroids by Miggy instead of what he thought was B-12? I still don't want to believe that Palmeiro was juiced. Am I living in a dream world?

I am wondering if this latest revelation around Tejeda will lead to exoneration for Palmeiro. MLB found his testimony "compelling" in that he denied taking steroids knowingly. The only other explanations are that he used a contaminated syringe--he has to be too smart for that--and that he got something he thought was something else. Isn't "B-12" certain players' slang for 'roids???

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Pete's reply: I've written about that possibility, but remember that Jose Canseco already had written that Palmeiro used Winstrol in Texas. That's the same steroid that caused the positive test.

Big lesson kids, don't lie. Bigger lesson adults and kids, don't lie to the authorities,

My only issue with the steroids controversy is that, unless I'm wrong (and it wouldn't be the first or 243rd time) these are folks who were using steroids BEFORE they were banned by MLB. I'm sorry, but why is that a problem? Why are we retroactively punishing these guys? It's only cheating if MLB says it's illegal. People trying to get an edge in their profession, particularly one as competitive as major league sports, is hardly new. So if I'm taking Reservatrol and Vitamin E to have a clearer mind so I can be more effective in my job and then someone says these substances are illegal and I stop taking them, am I to be banned from the office because I took them BEFORE? For me, the problem is only in those folks who are taking such substances AFTER they've been noted as illegal. And enough of the blowhards about "sullying this grand old game and the traditions of Babe Ruth" and all that, for the game was hardly pristine, despite our Norman Rockwell imagery. That was a time when scuffing the ball and throwing spitballs was legal. Of course, now it's not. So should all the Hall of Famers who played in the Deadball era who threw these now illegal pitches be kicked out of the Hall? Again, it comes down to TIMING. If you take steroids and HGH and all that stuff NOW, YES, you should be banned and eviscerated in the press as you undoubtedly would. But if you're talking about six or seven or how many years ago when MLB had no official stance on steroids, then no. They weren't illegal. So it wasn't cheating. Now let's SHUTUP once and for all about steroids and as Earl Weaver would likely add, "just play the damn game." End of line.

Pete,

How this for a solution! Let's not release the names of the 103 remaing loosers (I mean users). Let's release the names of those that didn't test positive?

# 103 . Brady Anderson
# 102 . Ken Griffey Jr. * betcha
# 101 . Albert Pujols
# 100 . Steve Finley
# 99 . Nomar Garciapara
Pete , you can fill in the rest and probably be right .

I feel really sorry for Miggy. He stands a chance of being the guy most hurt by the whole steroids scandal, in that he can be denied a work visa and his career could be ended.

Of course he's not innocent, but he has been singled out when so many others are equally guilty.

It also burns me up that Palmeiro lied to Congress, leading Tejada to be questioned in the first place, and nothing apparently will happen to Palmeiro.

Miggy stands a chance of becoming the Joe Jackson of our era.

Pete-

The more I know of this guy, the less I like him...

Pete,

There was no place to comment on your article regarding A-Roid being forgiven, so I will do it here.

You are right, he will eventually be forgiven for all of the reasons you stated plus the fact that he is in NY and has the best PR people working for him.

It is a shame though. He should not be forgiven. As much as for his drug use, he should not be forgiven for having lied on so many occasions about his "never" having used PED's. Go back and look at the Katie Couric interview. He out and out lied. He didn't leave any wiggle room. Now, how can you trust anything he says.

Also, he keeps saying he was young and stupid. Stupid yes, young no. He was 27 when he claims he started and 29 when he claims he stopped. Maybe he is caught up in another lie. Maybe he is thinking about when he really started -- like when he was 22, but he forgot what he was saying.

You guys should never let us forget; especially when the Hall ballots come around.

Pete, if truth be told, what % of players do you estimate used drugs, ect. ? I'm going to say 50%. How say you, over or under ?

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Pete's reply: I'd say slightly under.

I've yet to hear a suggestion that i think may get alot of this roid era behind us. Selig comes out and says any and all ballplayers who used have a 30-60 day amnesty period to come out and admit it. Not just the 103 other players but all players who have ever played and/or playing. If you do not come clean and your name comes out of any investigation, you are banned form the game in any capacity until your name is cleared or confirmed as using and punish accordingly. He could platform it by saying look at the players who have come clean. As soon as they admit it, the damage control starts and it gets behind them sooner. I would think if i used, I would be nervous about my next question about it be it from the feds or the media. Let's face it, baseball doesn't want these names out, the media does. Look at all who have admitted their use, they have been treated better and forgiven on some level sooner. They are cheaters of their sport whether it was legal or not or against the games rules or not. If you are caught after you have had a chance to clear your name or come clean, then you are a cheater and a liar. Make a mistake as we are all prone to do but to lie about it when you could have been truthful, you are looked at differently. Clemons and Bonds are prime examples of should happen when you had a chance to man up and not only didin't, defied all to prove it. A lawyer can only help you so much after the fact and people are convinced you are an abuser and a liar. The elephant in the corner of it all is HGH and the non-ability to test for it . If you think that has stopped, then you think the O's will win the AL east for the next five years. Make the union bloodtest everyone now to store and see how many guys start singinjg like the temptations...If they really wanted to clean it up from here, MLB could bully pulpit the union thru the media and make them agree to test blood or they can't particpate until the vial with your name on it is full. Opens and closes all of this mess.....


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Pete's reply: That might sound nice, but Bud doesn't have the power to do that. He's the CEO of a business whose employees work under a collective bargaining agreement, so he can't just dictate the end of somebody's career.

I've yet to hear a suggestion that i think may get alot of this roid era behind us. Selig comes out and says any and all ballplayers who used have a 30-60 day amnesty period to come out and admit it. Not just the 103 other players but all players who have ever played and/or playing. If you do not come clean and your name comes out of any investigation, you are banned form the game in any capacity until your name is cleared or confirmed as using and punish accordingly. He could platform it by saying look at the players who have come clean. As soon as they admit it, the damage control starts and it gets behind them sooner. I would think if i used, I would be nervous about my next question about it be it from the feds or the media. Let's face it, baseball doesn't want these names out, the media does. Look at all who have admitted their use, they have been treated better and forgiven on some level sooner. They are cheaters of their sport whether it was legal or not or against the games rules or not. If you are caught after you have had a chance to clear your name or come clean, then you are a cheater and a liar. Make a mistake as we are all prone to do but to lie about it when you could have been truthful, you are looked at differently. Clemons and Bonds are prime examples of should happen when you had a chance to man up and not only didin't, defied all to prove it. A lawyer can only help you so much after the fact and people are convinced you are an abuser and a liar. The elephant in the corner of it all is HGH and the non-ability to test for it . If you think that has stopped, then you think the O's will win the AL east for the next five years. Make the union bloodtest everyone now to store and see how many guys start singinjg like the temptations...If they really wanted to clean it up from here, MLB could bully pulpit the union thru the media and make them agree to test blood or they can't particpate until the vial with your name on it is full. Opens and closes all of this mess.....

Pete,

I missed that they tested everybody on every team that year, thanks for the correction.

MAXMORF: I understand your point. But Steroids are against the law period, unless prescribed by a doctor. Yes Baseball did not test and looked the other way. But taking steroids is illegal like any drug not perscribed.

I am sure baseball/football/any sport's players all had legal prescriptions.

MLB played dumb, players took advantage and now some of them are paying the price.

It would be nice to leave it in the past and move on. (with solid testing staying put)

who gives a flying fig about any of them?

Pete; I'd like your opinion on this. Maybe it's something you already knew, but it sure came as a surprise to me.

According to an article I read in the National Post in Toronto yesterday, in 2004 the Feds got their hands on the list of the 2003 test results that MLB did on all the players by executing a search warrant on Balco. Needless to say, that got me scratching my head. How would Balco have a copy of that?
Then today I got my answer when I read in a follow up article that in the same raid on Balco the Feds also scooped up the urine samples that were used for the testing.

How could it possibly be that at the very time Balco was involved in helping to juice up some of baseball's biggest stars, MLB was signing a contract with them to do league wide testing?

How many labs are there in the US? Hundreds if not thousands I would guess. What are the odds that MLB would just happen to pick the very lab that was so central to this whole scandal. Coincidence?

I'm not sure what exactly, but there is something here that leaves an awful bad smell in my nostrils. How about your's?


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Pete's reply: That wasn't a BALCO lab. It was one of the labs that was contracted to do the survey testing for baseball. The strange thing about it was, the Feds weren't looking for those samples or the identities of the players who gave them. They did just confiscate them and figure out later that they could match the names to the samples. Those tests were, by the terms of the baseball collective bargaining agreement, supposed to remain confidential, but the Justice Dept apparently does not have to abide by that.

Just adding to my list ,-
# 98 . Chipper Jones .
Pete , if my other names haven't already been burried by other posts , any thoughts on the other names I've suggested ? @ 2/10 5:58pm

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Pete's reply: I've got lots of thoughts, but it wouldn't be prudent for me to accuse anyone who hasn't tested positive.

Anyone remember Brian Downing , a catcher / DH with the then California Angels back in the 70's & 80's ? ..... He went from a 150 also-ran , to a muscled - up slugger . Check the stats . It was later found out that he was using . People wake up , it's not new !

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Pete's reply: I don't believe anyone ever established that Downing used anything illegal. Just because he got big isn't enough to accuse him of steroid use.

I'd like to see the rest of the names myself. If you are ever going to judge the players of this era you have to know who was on and off the juice. Of course just because your name doesn't appear amongst the 103 it doesn't mean you didn't use. It just means you didn't get caught!

GO O's!!

Pete, I seem to remember you looking on the web right after the Palmiero fiasco, finding vitamin B12 shots fortified with stananzolol (sp?)? Miggy lying to Congress kind of helps Palmiero's story, doesn't it?

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Pete's reply: You've got a good memory. I didn't even remember that, but now I do. It was from a South American mail order pharmacy.

Off topic , but in keeping with our national pastimes "heros", D. Strawberry is releasing a book in April discussing the drugs , alcohol, and sex around baseball . ...... I now get why Pete has covered the sport so long !

With this country in the terrible fiscal shape it's in, the FED needs to stop wasting time and money on this. It's over!

IF the names are to be released I hope they are all released soon and at one time. You are completely right though, the names will be leaked 1 or 2 well known players at a time. I imagine the first group of names will be players who are having trouble finding work, then a few weeks later we'll get a few well known guys, then if a guy has a good week and is on that list his name will come up.

You read through the national press and when it comes to drugs in sports you hear about baseball (well and Phelps for now) and that is all. No talks about how 4 NFL football players had their drug suspensions overturned and were allowed to compete in games that decided playoffs and in one case the playoffs themselves, but when a Phillies pitcher did the same it was national news.

People are so quick to bash baseball and drag our game through the mud, but not with football. Hypocrisy I say. The super bowl mvp was cited for marijuana possession in the very recent past, but that's not a story, give me a break.

Now Pete I realize you are tired of it and would love to stop having to report on steroids in baseball but when the news is there you have to. It just seems too much of the national media doesn't do the investigative reporting into other sports like they do into baseball. Oh well.

I don't know how much of this steroid news I can handle without giving up on MLB altogether. Of course, then I would probably have to give up on the NFL, NBA, and NHL too. Just because something isn't out in the open doesn't mean its not happening. I think it's only a matter of time 'till the rest of our pro sports are severely tainted along with baseball. Its disgusting!

Hey Pete:

This is the year that the union agreed to allow random drug testing if the whole of the union had higher than some percent of positive tests, right? If I recall, a missed test counted as a positive, and most of one team (the Chicago White Sox, I think) refused to test so that they could make sure the league was over the minimum percentage. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

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