Rickey and Rice
Guess I'm back in the prediction business, since I correctly predicted Rickey Henderson and Jim Rice (right) would make it into the National Baseball Hall of Fame when the results of the election were announced at 2 p.m. today.
Wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination. Rickey was a no-brainer and Rice's status as a borderline candidate probably had something to do with his horrible relationship with the baseball media during his playing career. In that case, time heals all wounds. I'm happy for him, though he was not a fun guy to be around in the 1980s.
To gain election, you have to be checked on 75 percent of the BBWAA ballots. Andre Dawson came relatively close again with 67 percent of the vote and Bert Blyleven was the only other candidate to be chosen on more than half the ballots (62 percent).
We'll see next year if they are able to get over the top the way Rice did this time. I would like to see both of them get in, but I still think Blyleven is the guy on the outside who most deserves to be in.
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Comments
Can't be Pete, Ricky no doubt, Rice just lowered the standard for all the up coming outfielders. He couldn't hit outside of Fenway, no defence, what do ya think Pete?
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Pete's reply: I think he was one of the dominant hitters of his era, who averaged 100 RBI in his 14 full major league seasons. He was rightfully on the bubble, but I've got no problem with the result.
Posted by: Michael G | January 12, 2009 2:36 PM
Pete,
Why no love for Dale Murphy? 2 time NL MVP, 7 time all star, near 400 HRS???
This is more than Rice in 2 extra season if you count his last two when he hung on.
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Pete's reply: I like Murphy too, but he drove in fewer runs, scored fewer runs, struck out a lot more and 33 points under Rice in career batting average.
Posted by: Larry | January 12, 2009 2:49 PM
Maybe Rickey will declare himself the greatest during his HOF acceptance speech! If he does it will be fun watching all those HOF'ers behind him give him a shove off of the stage!
Posted by: Tim | January 12, 2009 2:53 PM
I see Mark Grace didn't get enough votes to even remain on the ballot. I guess being the hits leader of an entire decade doesn't mean much. Pete- why no love for Donny Baseball? I understand about having a shortened career, but for a time he was one of the absolute best in the game on both sides of the field. Didn't his teammate Winfield cruise right into the Hall? That just doesn't sound right to me.
Posted by: Phil | January 12, 2009 3:08 PM
Pete,
Good job predicting this year's results. Do you think Mark's, the guy who claims he wore a Yankee cap to Orioles' games,hero Mattingly will ever make it? Here's hoping the only way Mattingly or Tex ever make it to Cooperstown is if they buy a ticket!
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Pete's reply: I like Mattingly. Good guy. Don't blame him for Teixeira's decision.
Posted by: Mike | January 12, 2009 3:11 PM
I never understood why Rice never made the HOF before today. He was a great player, but I guess if you are not an crack smoocher with the BBWAA you just get froze out. That is a shame. I also think that the hall should put Tommy John and in some way Dr. Frank Jobe who developed the ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction surgery that saved many baseball careers.
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Pete's reply: I think they should put Dr. Jobe in.
Posted by: gueman | January 12, 2009 3:47 PM
Gotta agree with you, both Henderson and Rice belong, Rice should have been voted in before. Blyleven - man, what a curve he had, he deserves to get in but you never know.
Posted by: Charlie | January 12, 2009 3:52 PM
one of the few times i agree with you 100%. iam 52 and know that ricky was and will be the greatest leadoff hitter ever ,but rice had great years but fell off faster then the melting snow in his middle 30s. youre right on about his personality , down right grump i thought ,but the big question blyleven, his stat wont be touched by anybody i see in the next twenty years . ;strikeouts wins shutouts innings, what is the deal with that . i think dawson should be in ,great stats power fielder , all with crippled knees.plus tommy john with 290 wins , but i could never figure the voting out anyway .
Posted by: wyatt paden | January 12, 2009 4:05 PM
I sure would love to know who the 5% of the voters were that didn't vote for Rickey Henderson in the hall of fame! I can't imagine what criteria would have led them to the conclusion that Rickey doesn't belong on a first ballot.
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Pete's reply: I wonder myself, but nobody has ever been unanimous.
Posted by: Jamaal | January 12, 2009 4:58 PM
Congrats to Rickey and Rice. Having watched Rickey play in his heyday, it was interesting to me to watch alot of guys try and mimic his batting style and basepath thievery (anyone remember Shooty Babbitt?), and not even come close. That guy was a double waiting to happen. As for Rice, definitely not a guy I wanted O's pitchers to face with the game on the line...but fortunately, during the 80s the Sux had pretty much no pitching (Mike Torres...yuck) and if all else failed you had Mr. Kerosene, Bob Stanley, waiting in the bullpen. Now on to other matters. Will the signing of catcher Robby Hammock of the Diamondbacks have any impact of the supposed happenanyminutenow signing of Greg Zaun?
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Pete's reply: No, I doubt it has any bearing on the Zaun situation.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 12, 2009 5:06 PM
Look, Rice had some darned nice years but he is no Hall of Famer. Cooperstown continues to be watered down by inducting the very goods along with the greats. Only problem is that it wasn't meant for the very goods. What a joke.
Posted by: duke of york | January 12, 2009 5:25 PM
I think Rice was a great player and have no problem with him being in the HOF. That being said however, what put him over the top was the push of the ever-growing Red Sox bandwagon of the past few years, especially amongst the national press. If Blyleven had been a Red Sox for even one season he'd be in already...
Posted by: BaltoJim | January 12, 2009 7:57 PM
I'm not saying anything thats not already been said , but it seems to me that the " Hall " has lost a lot of its meaning . Its become the " Hall of the Very Good " .
Why must we be compelled to induct seemingly everyone that had a "good" career . To me it wouldn't matter if there were years in between anyone getting voted in . It should be only the elite . Can anyone actually compare Tony Perez to Lou Gerhig ?
Posted by: the artist formerly known as jack in hebron | January 12, 2009 8:14 PM
Blyleven should be in. If Rice is in then so should Dave Parker. Compare Parker and Rice stats
Posted by: Paul H | January 12, 2009 9:37 PM
Mr. Schmuck,
Really interesting about the fan reaction for Jay Gibbons. His stats last year were fair, I guess. Neat to see him sign.
Whats the chances of Mike Young accepting a trade to Ballymore? Wouldn't mind giving up a pitcher to Texas for this guy. What do you think?
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Pete's reply: We'll have to wait until the Rangers decide whether to trade him.
Posted by: Richard Old O's fan | January 12, 2009 9:57 PM
Pete,
I'm with you 100% on this one, both Rickey and Rice most deserving and I too want to see Bert Blelevin get there too! Rickey Henderson is a very talented but odd guy. Did you know that during his playing days and now certainly the only player who batted left handed exclusively and threw right! Jim Rice's greatness often overlooks the unabashed racism he had to overcome in Boston during an era where African American atheletes continued to not be media darlings!
Posted by: Keith Rowe | January 12, 2009 10:36 PM
I don't understand why Rice limps in and there is no love for Blylevin, Dale Murphy and especially Tim Raines.
Raines was one of the best players for several years in the NL. and is a farce he is not in.
Posted by: phil | January 13, 2009 1:54 AM
Pete-
Henderson was very deserving of Hall of Fame Honors. In a way, he revolutionized the art of base-stealing. Henderson was probably a little too self-absorbed, putting himself ahead of teammates at times, but make no mistake, he was supremely talented and earned his way into Cooperstown.
Posted by: patrick lynch | January 13, 2009 6:57 AM
Rice like numerous candidates belongs in "The Hall of the Very Good."
He DID NOT lead the league 10 years running in ANY offensive category. In fact the most consecutive years he led in anything was Total Bases and that was 3 straight years.
A quick look at baseballreference.com would prove that.
His adjusted OPS for his career was 128 a full point above Don Mattingly and 3 points above Bernie Williams, neither of which is a HOF candidate.
On 6 occasions was he ever above that career average.
His Home/Road splits were ridiculously skewed to heavily favor him at Fenway. He was little more then a league average hitter on the road, something else that can be easily checked at Baseball Reference.
His crappy personality had little to do with keeping him out of the HOF.
As someone mentioned the writers again lowered the bar for future corner outfielders by letting him.
Posted by: Bill Kamm | January 13, 2009 3:59 PM