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December 22, 2008

O's: It's not really all Tex all the time

hendricksongetty.jpgWhile the Orioles front office waits around to find out if Mark Teixeira has any real interest in playing in Baltimore, club president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail continues to go about the business of trying to put together a balanced roster by the opening of training camp.

Along with the ongoing negotiations for pitchers Braden Looper, Tim Redding and Kenshin Kawakami, the Orioles have made overtures to non-tendered Cardinals utilityman Aaron Miles and veteran pitcher Mark Hendrickson (right).

"There certainly is some interest,'' Hendrickson's agent, Joe Urbon, told Baltimore Sun baseball writer Jeff Zrebiec. "We’ve talked to the Orioles. I talked to Andy [MacPhail] directly at the winter meetings and we’ve had subsequent conversations. We’re just trying to find out if that is the right fit for him. They are definitely on the list."

Hendrickson wouldn't mind playing near his York, Pa., home, but he's more interested in getting back into a major league starting rotation, which should make the Orioles more attractive.

"Mark feels like he had a great start to the season last year,'' Urbon said. "He had a mediocre to poor middle part of the season and he started to get back on track and the Marlins went in a different direction. He’s got a lot to prove [as a starter], but he also knows that he can be successful coming out of the pen in a lot of roles."

Posted by Peter Schmuck at 7:10 PM | | Comments (60)
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Comments

As long as the pitcher has a losing record and a sub par performance in 08, we're definitely interested. Gotta love it... Identifying the 4 ponies that will be saddled along side Guthrie is dam near exciting as the Teixeira thingy. They better get to work, Camp Cupcake opens in 2 months.

We might as well sign him, we could never hit him.

I've always liked Hendrickson and have wondered why his results weren't better. At the right price I think he'd certainly be worth the risk (though his agent's comments lead me to wonder whether H thinks the O's are worth the risk.)

"We might as well sign him, we could never hit him." posted by Steve D
That's funny Dave. Pete, I'm also worried about the type of pitchers we are looking at. We're going to need a lot of luck for one or more of these guys to turn into a decent starting pitcher for us. Let's just hope one or 2 of them can just hold the fort until some of our young guys are ready to step up and do the job.


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Pete's reply: I agree they aren't trying to skim the cream off the top of the market, but I guess we'll have to wait until they're either in or out on Tex to see whether they'll pursue Derek Lowe or some other bigger-name free agent.

Love them comment about 3rd or 4th rate pitchers were going to end up with. Look at are 1st rate SS we got. We are never going to compete until Cal Ripken buys this team. Derek Lowe, 34 I believe, how is he going to be a 5 yr plan? I sure if we don't get Tex in the middle of the line-up now, the next 2 yrs of big hitter free agents aren't comin here...


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Pete's reply: You may be right, but I wouldn't lump everything together. The shortstop is fine. Most of the other guys were big-money guys in decline. Teixeira is a separate issue. They need him and I still doubt they are anywhere close to getting him, though that might be more his doing than the teams.

If Hendrickson is interested in a MAJOR LEAGUE rotation, that leaves the Orioles out....

Big name free agent pitcher? Sabathia was it. Geez, the Orioles rotation will have the same outcome as the last 10. Scrap heep pitchers. Scraping the bottom of the barrel for arms. I thought this was rebuilding? McPhail might as well get the guy that bags my groceries at Giant to be the number 2 starter. One of these days the Orioles will be competitive. Hopefully, I'm not 80 when it happens.

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Pete's reply: If you're complaining that the O's didn't pay C.C. $23 million per for seven years, you've lost me. No way that's a fit for this team. Teixeira is a different story.

Big name free agent pitcher? Sabathia was it. Geez, the Orioles rotation will have the same outcome as the last 10. Scrap heep pitchers. Scraping the bottom of the barrel for arms. I thought this was rebuilding? McPhail might as well get the guy that bags my groceries at Giant to be the number 2 starter. One of these days the Orioles will be competitive. Hopefully, I'm not 80 when it happens.

Big name free agent pitcher? Sabathia was it. Geez, the Orioles rotation will have the same outcome as the last 10. Scrap heep pitchers. Scraping the bottom of the barrel for arms. I thought this was rebuilding? McPhail might as well get the guy that bags my groceries at Giant to be the number 2 starter. One of these days the Orioles will be competitive. Hopefully, I'm not 80 when it happens.

Waiting to see if they're in or out on Tex? Unless they've offered another year and 40 million then they are obviously once again "out". Does it require a genius to figure this out?

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Pete's reply: Obviously it does, since none of us -- you, me or anybody -- knows who has offered exactly what and what Tex wants to do. If he doesn't want to play here, it doesn't matter what the Orioles do.

Pete,

Roch is reporting on his blog on MASN that The Nationals have offered Tex "an eight-year deal worth $178 to $184 million." and supposedly they're willing to go to 9 years.

Explain to me why Tex would want to play for a team with the lowest fan attendance, worst record, lowest radio media market, lowest television media market and no real hope of competing within the next 5 years?

I know it's typical of a Boras client to take the most money offered, and being it's close to home it he can play that card, but seriously, Tex could be a hall of fame player if he continues his production through the rest of his career but would fade into obscurity in Washington. Plus he'd never win a World Series...

It just doesn't make sense that he'd even consider them...


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Pete's reply: Those numbers sound legitimate enough, but I alway wonder who's doing the negotiating when you put an offer on the table and then say how much you'll increase it. If you're going to go to nine years, go to nine years, because saying you will has already made that your offer. I would no longer be surprised if he ended up with the Nats.

The Orioles should have just waited before the trade for Freele, Miles could do a better reserve role but why have both. The pitchers listed are not better than what we have in the minors. Unless you are going after a tier one starter, I do not see any use for these guys. I think that Kawakami is looking for a four year deal. I do not think the O's will do it. Why are we looking at 34 year old projects? That is going to get the team nowhere. I do like Looper and believe he could be a good four starter for the team. Now we need to look at 1, 2 and 5.
Pete: Lets be honest, if the Orioles sign Tex, do you think they should wait until next year to deal with pitching and see what some of the young arms can do, instead of throwing money at has been, or never been players? Looper and Kawakami I can understand, but the rest of them?

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Pete's reply: No, I think they need some depth, but Andy probably is with you on not spending a bunch on No. 3-type guys who weigh down your payroll.

Their interest in Miles is a bit interesting.

I see this two ways. Either they don't think Freel is solid enough in the infield which I agree with, or he is the back up plan to man 2b when they trade Brian Roberts?

If it is simply to have a better utility INF on the team then I would be very happy to have Miles in that role. He is a very good 2b, pretty good at SS, and although he doesn't hit for power, he does hit for a nice average. He wouldn't kill you if you wanted to start him a couple of days to rest Brian or Cesar.

This horrible. Why this team doesn't sign Sheets is beyond me? Yes, he has injury issues, but most pitchers do. The difference between Sheets and these other guys is Sheets can actually pitch.


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Pete's reply: It all comes down to the price. If it was your $13 million per year, would you do that? I think not.

Hey Pete: Why we constantly go after pitchers that no contender thinks about? All the pitchers we look at wouldn't be but maybe a 4 or 5 starter. Kinda like the starters we have already. We haven't had a legitimate starter since Mussina (oh and Bedard). How about some Pop in the lineup and I know we made such a mistake in letting Payton go (as much as we did by signing him). Our starting pitching below par, starting lineup (batting) below par. Too bad that the O's aren't a golf team because then and only then would we possibly contend for something. 2010? Please, people get a clue, maybe 3010 at this pace. Pssst....keep cutting payroll and try to sign nobodies, that wins championships!!!! Please whatever you do, don't spend money, I mean after all everything else you've done has worked please don't take that route. I never really liked going to the ball games and watching All Stars anyway, If you want I'll see if there are any beer leagues out there that you can scout next. Thanks again managment, since you can't get my attention with good signings you can get me with this crap.

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Pete's reply: The answer to your original question is, because the Orioles are not a contender. It's actually quite logical that they go for these kinds of guys because they are rebuilding and they want to get through this year and see what Matusz and Patton and Albers can do. They've also got another high draft pick coming up. Signing a 33-year-old pitcher for three years at $36 million would be just plain stupid unless you'd rather win 73 games next year than start really competing a year or two later.

why would derek lowe want to pitch in balto. plus with the lack of quality pitching in baseball in general wouldn't you think a team like the red sox, yanks, angles, mets or other top tier teams would go after him.


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Pete's reply: Yes.

Is there talk of any oriole trades that could occur after texgate if over?


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Pete's reply: If they don't sign Tex, I think a Brian Roberts deal might be forthcoming.

Why the Orioles would be interested in Looper is beyond me. His greatest attribute is that he's a pitcher who can hit. What a plus in the AL.

He also has a visage straight out of Batman episodes. I guess that counts for something.

Hendrickson? He throws like he's doesn't want to disturb any molecules in the air.

Redding? Not much talent at all.

Serious about improving the pitching staff? Sign Jon Garland.

Hendrickson???? I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. For God's sake why in the world is MacPahil looking at slugs like this??? The goal should be to improve the rotation not replace young sucky guys with older sucky guys. This cries one thing.. CHEAP!!!

Pete: did you here about Roch's claim that the Nat's have upped the offer to Tex?

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Pete's reply: I sure did. I'm not surprised. If they want to sign him they're going to have to be the 2008 equivalent of the 2001 Texas Rangers.

Who are all these Top Pitchers we are supposed to sign? Lowe and Sheets? EVERY team needs pitching, and there are 2 free agents left that are considered top pitching? (name the others if there are any)

Every team needs help and it not there out there to get. Thats why Pitching is built from with in the organization.

We need 2-3 starters with some experience to hold it down for a year or two.

Just tell me the names of all these pitchers we should be bidding for.....

They do not exsist!

I actually like Hendrickson. He's a safer bet to be a more productive player in Baltimore than Cabrera would have been because even if he only starts 15-20 games, you can still use a big lefty out of the pen another 30-40 times then too. He's a reasonable, affordable option. Just like Izturis and just like Freel- though I think Freel will endear himself quickly to Baltimore fans who have never seen him before if he can stay healthy. I love his approach to the game. And speaking of which, any news on Zaun's possible return? He'd be a solid signing too.


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Pete's reply: I think they'll get that done if they want to. He wants to come here, unlike a certain first baseman.

Pete,

It's obvious to me that the Orioles are interested in free agent pitchers that have no strings attached (not offered arbitration), or are Type B, so that we don't lose anything if we sign them. . That leaves the following pitchers (I have ranked them my order of preference):
1. Jon Garland - innings eater, knows the AL, and is only 29.
2. Randy Wolf (32) - crafty lefty veteran. Price tag may be too high, and has had injury problems in the past.
3. Kenshin Kawakami (34) - don't know a lot about him, but some teams I respect (Boston, Minnesota) are interested, so therefore we should be too.
4. Brad Penny (31) - injured last year, but upside is good and might fly under the radar.
5. Mark Mulder (31) - see Brad Penny.
6. Braden Looper (34) - average big league pitcher (which is better than anything we've got).
7. Tim Redding (31) - see Looper.
8. Paul Byrd (38) - veteran who gives up a lot of hits, but not a lot of walks. That in itself would be refreshing!
9. Mark Hendrickson (35). We can't hit him, but he's 35. I wish he was a bit younger.
10. Jason Jennings (30)
11. Chuck James (27)
12. Carl Pavano (33).

I'd like to see them get Garland (innings eater), Kawakami (very important international signing, and a quality pitcher) and Penny (upside), but that's just me.

Forget Tex, let's get Ray Lewis signed before X-mas. I don't want to even think about this being his last game at M&T or him playing in another uniform somewhere else.

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Pete's reply: I'm sure they'll make every effort to get him signed. Bisciotti already said he'll do what it takes to keep him.

I hope the O's sign as many borderline pitchers as they can, every year there is a story about some pitcher that has been toiling for years and then just "clicks" and has a great year. It's not like the farm system is clogged with stellar pitching prospects.

I'll Pitch. Seriously! I'll do it for 100K a season. If you are a GM trying to rebuild a team, winning pretty much needs to be out of your vocabulary. It's seems the logic here is that we need to gradually bring home grown arms along and wait for them to be ready. If that is true what we need is people to chew up innings. I guess that is why we are looking at Redding and Hendrickson. It's the only reason that makes sense. But I would ask if all we need is someone to chew up innings, why not me. I used to pitch. I can go 8 innings, I will lose every game but I can go 8 innings every fifth day for a lot less money, seems like that is the number 1 priority right now.

Plus that would be a great marketing story. Just imagine this headline...

"Local Kid / Hometown Architect Joins the Orioles Rotation" It would be a news bananza

Pitching? You know we won't have it by the middle of the season. No matter who we pick up, they will do fairly well in the first two months and then fade off and be terrible by June. We have to sign Teixeira so we can at least try to out hit our opponents!

hey Pete, why so high on Tex? Markakis is already performing comparably to Tex in most stats, bar slugging % and Hr's, but not by much...not to mention the fact that Tex has played in the worst division in the bigs for all but 2 half seasons of his career, racking up stats against sub par starting pitching for 2/3 the season....Markakis, on the other hand, has cut his teeth in the big boy division of the AL east, facing many high talent, quality pitchers putting up the same stats....take all that money you threw at Tex and do:
1) Lock up Markakis for the long term
2) Get Derek Lowe signed up for 2-3 years/$27 mil
3) Get Oliver Perez signed up for 5 years/ $60 -$65 mil
4) Pray Patton or Albers can hold down a 4th and or possibly 5th spot.

So dumb to let D cab go...he wasnt Bob Gibson, but come on he "ate innings" on the cheap for at least one more year, if we offered arbitration. A one year patch at best till next hot stove. And if the O's are so enamored with big hitters, get Dunny...he'll hit exactly 40 for ya, 'sides any one can play 1st base. Quit overpaying for garbage and get serious.


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Pete's reply: Stop worrying about Markakis.He's under contract through 2011. They'll get him signed. You sign Tex because you want two guys with big numbers...or more. That's how you compete in the AL East.

Pete, I know it's all about the money so with that being said, IF Tex goes to the Nats in my opinion, it would be a huge mistake for him and another example of money talks. Let's say the Angels offered him 19-20 mil a season, he is dumb to turn down a shot at playing for a team that is always in the playoff hunt. I know the O's aren't the Angels, but with the young guys they have and the even younger guys down on the farm, they aren't far away so when he becomes the next Andre Dawson or Tim Raines, I hope he is happy. Mark would be rich from any of the deals, so maybe the folks saying that winning isn't everything for him, are right.

Pete, you mentioned the possibility of trading Roberts. Are you for it or against it? I see the plusses and minuses with the biggest plus being the haul of young talent that we could get for a player like Brian, but the big minus is that he is a difference maker that doesn't come around every day and a lot of what he does, doesn't show up in the box score like a James Posey in the NBA.

Now that the Braves got shafted by Furcal, does the possibility of the Cubs, O's and Padres getting together, still exist? It was talked about how Jake would have gone to the Braves for one of their young INF, so with that not going to happen, I hope the O's can still get Pie. The fact that Andy wants him added to Andy's track record, shows me that the kid is worth trying to get to play LF full time.


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Pete's reply: I'm neither for it nor against it. It's really up to Brian. If he wants to stay, he needs to make that clear pretty soon.

Peter- Orioles Tragic, feel it happen. Why even have a team if you are not gonna try to win.

If Tex ends up in D.C. McPhail simply didn't do his job. Plain and simple. Signing "band-aid" pitchers to cover the wounds until the young studs (Tilman, Matusz, Arrieta) are ready for the majors makes some sense but it should not be the priority right now. With the Sox and Angels presumably out of the mix there's no excuse for the O's not to land Tex.


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Pete's reply: There's one absolutely iron-clad excuse for not signing Tex. If he refuses to come here, which is a distinct possibility.

"They've also got another high draft pick coming up."

Is that all we ever have to look forward to anymore? :-(

Originally posted by Barry: "Why the Orioles would be interested in Looper is beyond me. His greatest attribute is that he's a pitcher who can hit. What a plus in the AL.

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Hendrickson? He throws like he's doesn't want to disturb any molecules in the air.

Redding? Not much talent at all.

Serious about improving the pitching staff? Sign Jon Garland."

Jon Garland? Braden Looper's 2008 season was better than anything Garland's put up since 2005. Garland actually seems to be getting worse, as his innings pitched and strikeouts have declined in each of the past four seasons while his walks have increased over the past three. Everyone seems to think Garland's a really good pitcher because of a career year in '05 and back-to-back 18-win seasons. In reality, wins are a terrible way to rate a pitcher. The fact that Garland won 18 games in '05 with a 3.50 ERA and then won 18 again in '06 with a 4.50 ERA should be enough proof of that.

On to Mark Hendrickson and Tim Redding...

Career Stats:

Hendrickson: 5.07 ERA, 1.45 WHIP
Redding: 4.92 ERA, 1.50 WHIP
Garland: 4.47 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Projected 2009 Salary:

Hendrickson: $2M
Redding: $2M
Garland: $8-10M

Considering the fact that Garland's going to make four times as much as Redding and Hendrickson while putting up numbers that aren't too much better, I'd take Redding or Hendrickson over Garland any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I'm tired of this Tex. thing.
The Christmas deadline was just another play for the Boras/Tex camp?

So glad to see the author responding.
Nice Pete.

ok this is really strange to me... so many people want us to bring up all our young pitchers imediately and throw them to the wolves and see if they survive. apperantly these people have no clue and dont understand the game.. not everyone is Jobba Chamberlain. pitchers especially need to learn and develope, and if you rush them (see Ben Mcdonald and D-Cab, among others) theyre psychee could be dammaged, hindering their confidence if and when they do struggle, and thus dettering their careers and causing them to inevitably become a detriment to the rebuilding opperation. young pitchers must gain experience and time in the minors to reach potential in most cases, otherwise they usually dont end up panning out, or it takes them much longer then it should, so the Os need to sign a few guys to one, maybe 2 year contracts in order to prevent this and give time for these guys to pace themselves into the mix. Patton, coming off a seriouse injury and nearly no AAA experience needs to go to Norfolk. Tillman still needs a bit of Polishing so likewise AAA, along with Bergeson, who was under the radar before this year, which is a little scary. Erbe- AA cuz he was injured as well. Also to Bowie goes Arrietta simply because you dont generally promote guys whove never pitches above A ball (though he shouldve been promoted last year) and Matusz starts in single A for now. Olson and Liz have shown they need more triple time as well so the only one who really merits a spot on the big staff in my estimation is Penn with a good spring, of course. having said that, Redding would be a waste. Garland OR Lowe for 3 years maybe. the Japanese guy for 2 years, maybe, but i like 1 year better. Hendrickson, im fine with ONLY AS A LAST RESORT. Looper for a year im all for. same goes for Oliver Perez, and Paul Byrd.
remember we only need 2-3 spots occpied for one year and one spot for 2 slotted for 2 years before our rotation takes is real shape.

These are the right type of pitchers for the Orioles to pursue this year. The long term solution to the pitching problem will have to come from within. Draft and trade for talented young arms and develop them well.

Since they are very unlikely to land a long term proven difference making pitcher by free agency (they don't want to come) or trade (you would give up the good prospects you have) then you need to get these types of pitchers who won't block your developing talent when it is ready.

True, DeCab made 2.85 million last year but 3.85 million for 2009 would be a bargain for the highway robbery that will happen in the free agent pitching market. Angelos won't get a 2 o 3 starter for 3.85 million. MacPhail wiil probably have to trade to get fair value for a 2 or 3 starter.

Hey, Pete. I love this blog, however, not to sound too depressing, but one of the most realistic aspects of your blog is how down to earth it is. We know that the Orioles have no real chance at Tex, and you have not given Orioles fans any false hope. One thing I have believed throughout this whole Tex process is, if we do not get him, there is literally nobody in baseball who Angelos would give money to. Seriously we have a player who seems to actually want to play on this team, who has not had a winning season since I was 10, and we will not give him money. I read earlier this week in the Sun that the Orioles "would be willing to increase their offer", but they have not yet, and they clearly will not. In the end, Tex just makes too much sense for the Orioles to sign. Wieters followed by Tex is just too good of a lineup, and all of us Orioles fans out there know it will not happen.


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Pete's reply: I'm afraid that Peter's got a "confederate money" problem again. I think he might be willing to match the Red Sox, but Tex probably would still go to the Red Sox. I don't know about the Nats. If they get silly and go $30 million above anybody else, I don't think you get sillier. There has to be some economic sanity, no matter how much you want the guy.

yes if theres a player that is a bargin basement type, then he is just what the Orioles like, no other team wants him.

pete from what you have ascertained which if any of the bowie pitchers do the orioles feel have a legitimate shot of making the starting rotation this yr?

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Pete's reply: I know this is going to sound flip, but with four spots open in the O's rotation, just about all of them.

The fly in the Derek Lowe ointment is that, at least while he was here with the Red Sox, his wife reportedly made the decision to leave because the Boston baseball atmosphere was too intense for her. f that's true, I don't see him going to the NYY, but he is a Bporas client and they get the very last penny available.

The O's need some 7 inning starers even if they aren't top flight ones we can't afford anyway. We're not close enough to competing to justify signing someome like Sheets.I wouldn't mind Hendricksen at all but he's probably waiting on an offer from a contender.

The O's are bottom feeding again or should I say still!

Bring Kawakami to BMore already!

Pete, what's going on with Dontrelle Willis? If he's still floundering in Detriot's farm system, I find it hard to believe that other organizations aren't taking a long, hard look at him.

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Pete's reply: He's not available as far as I know.

Losing record each of the last two years. Career 50-68 record with a 5.07 ERA. Sign him up, he could be the ace of the staff.

I'd really hate to see the Orioles get any Japanese players fresh from Japan. Respond to this any way you like.... but it's a cultural thing. With the current make-up of this team, I believe they'd be alienated from the start.
Secondly, what's the beef with Cesar Izturis? He's a Gold-Glove switch-hitting All-Star who can do all the little things for us with the bat and on the bases. He solidifies us up the middle.
Regarding the rotation, here's what I'd do: Sign none of the available FA pitchers.
Then give legitimate spring opportunities to Bergesen, Tillman, Matuzs, Patton, and Liz.
Then sign Jason Varitek to a one year deal he couldn't refuse with a second year club option so he can handle them.... all the while breaking in Weiters to share the position.
As for Texiera, there is NO WAY he will go to the Nats. But they are the only other team right now besides the Orioles who are publicly confirming it's offer, so Boras needs them as a negotiating tool.
I believe that there is a VERY GOOD chance he will sign with the Orioles for many intangible reasons.

It is my studied opinion that although there are many ways to go about rebuilding a team, you have to start by looking at what you have, and what you can sacrifice to get there.

The O's have divested themselves of several high dollar players and in doing so, have managed to aquire several good young players that have great potential. Granted, the outcome is all the better for proof, but I submit for your consideration a team that would (if all goes well) feature a quality catcher, a world class 2B and leadoff man, a steady, quality SS and a choice of young, good hitting, fast, quality OFs. Add to that a 3B that is a tad above average.

That brings us to 1B vs pitching.

To me, it makes good sense to concentrate on building a solid core of good everyday players before you mount a concerted attack on the pitching situation. I'd rather score on a guy like Tex now and be set for position players over the next 3 - 5 years than dump that big money into pitching. Statistically speaking, most quality pitchers rarely stay quality for more than a few years. There's just no way to determine how long an arm will last, but I think we can all agree that pitchers like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemmens are a rarity. CC Sabs may, in fact, turn out to be that kind of pitcher, but statistically speaking, his arm and therefore his productivity has a real good chance of giving out long before the fielding and hitting ability of a young position player will.

As to the O's and Tex, I figure Andy didn't get to be who and what he is in the baseball world by being dumb. We can opine all we like, but the cold hard fact is, if any of US were that savvy, we'd have his job. Personally, I think he'd LOVE to sign Tex, and I think Tex would love to be here. Thing is, you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. If you up the offer to Tex to say, 200 mil for 8 years, that's another 40 mil you just encumbered that can no longer be used for future aquisitions. If you're Tex, you have to be saying to yourself that this one is your big score, cause when this one runs out in 7 - 9 years, you probably won't get another one.

The question therefore becomes, how badly does Tex want to play here, and how much money is enough. When I think about that, I always remember a saying that is attributed to Nelson Rockefeller when asked much how much money was enough. Nellie is said to have smiled slightly and replied, "A little more..."

At any rate, I think the O's have as good a chance as anyone at landing Tex, and until it's decided, they'll be relatively complacent. Until then, we just have to wait.

Phooey. I hate waiting.

Pete? You prefer Butter Pecan over Chocolate Chip?

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Pete's reply: Cherry Garcia.

So do the losers in the Tex contest, presumably including the O's, go after Pat Burrell?

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Pete's reply: I don't know. I think the O's are in on Tex because of the "geographical" consideration. But there may be some big bats out there for a much lower price, so why not consider Burrell and Dunn.

Got to sign Tex.

Got for three tier 3 starters with 1 or 2 year contract to limp through the year. They will have a great bullpen and solid hitting lineup assuming signing Tex will allow them to extend Roberts and Markakis.

Obviously not signing Tex means no Roberts and possibly no Markakis extension, so he is worth an extra $40M.

Maybe Camden Yards can install slot machines if they keep a horse in each bathroom...

How about trading Markakis for Moyer? And where is Rodrigo Lopez when you need him? Are Jim Traber and Larry Sheets still around? He, I'd pay to watch those guys play... And I haven't paid since '96! (Am I being too optimistic that the team will be worth watching this year?)

Pete:

Do you think that Boras has talked Tex out of his wanting to be signed by or before Christmas? Because otherwise he likely would have made a decision by now don't you think? Unless of course the O's or Red Sox swoop in with an 8 year $189 million dollar offer to get him to sign today.

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Pete's reply: I don't know if that deadline was ever real anyway, but we'll find out soon enough.

This from ESPN------"At a time when Mark Teixeira's decision about where he wants to sign is seemingly imminent, the Baltimore Orioles' negotiations for the free-agent first baseman appear dormant. Teixeira grew up in the Baltimore area, and the Orioles have long been viewed as a possible landing spot for him. But since the Orioles made a seven-year, $140 million offer, they have not revised that offer -- nor have they had active negotiations with Teixeira's agent, according to sources."

There is going to be a TON of irate fans if the Angelos and McPhail do not make a competitive push for Tex.

Pete- Is it really true they are not engaging in active negotiations???


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Pete's reply: I think it may be true that their efforts have been resisted. Let's wait and see before jumping to any conclusions.

I hope all of you orioles fans that have all the time in the world to talk about Mark Teixeira all day, have a little time to send your thoughts to the orioles front office. Everyone should send these same thoughts you are writing about all day directly to the orioles email. I have done this numerous times and someone actually reads them and sends back a response. As a last ditch effort everyone get the email address off the official web site and let them know your thoughts, and then let them know again and again. The fans have to speak up and let ownership know that they might not have any fans left once opening day comes around.

so long B-Rob. this is the saddest day of all time for all of us O's fans.

Has anyone polled the clubhouse to see what they think or are they staying out of it all?

Also why all the negativity on Peter A over Tex? Seems he really is going out of character and pursuing a big money FA. To me that indicates he actually wants him (within reason of course).

I think if you really want to sign Tex you go to him, you dont wait for them to come back to you. If you have flexability to go higher with your offer then do it. To make one offer three weeks ago and never increase it just proves to me what many of us already knew. They NEVER had any intentions on signing him. I have always been an Os fan, but I think this is it. I put this right up there with letting Jon Miller walk. I"m disgusted!

another sub-par pitcher...love it...just read the yanks signed TEX...love it even better...we all should have known that was going to happen...i guess the O's front office made him an offer so us fans couldnt be too upset when he signed elsewhere....give me a break...this franchise is going nowhere with signings like hendrickson, redding, looper, and miles...

I will never go to another MLB game until something is done to limit the Yankees and their desire to corner the market on all-star players. Selig is as useless as I don't know what and Fehr has totally destroyed MLB. It's a shame but anytime you let lawyers get involved you can be sure that greed will be next until they kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

YOU KNOW MACPHAIL, ANGELOS AND MGMNT DIDNT CARE TO MAKE A CONSCIENTIOUS ATTEMPT TO BRING IN HOMETOWN PRODUCT TEXIERA..PLEASE DO NOT ADD INSULT TO INJURY BY SIGNING DISCARDS SUCH AS LOOPER AND HENDRICKSON..YOU ARE INSULTING YOUR FAN BASE BY SIGNING MEDIOCRE PLAYERS...YOU COULD SQUEEZE YOUR PENNY EVEN MORE BY SIGNING BUYS FROM THE SUPERMARKET TO PITCH AND PLAY 1ST FOR THE TEAM..IF YOU DONT WANT TO PLAY THE CURRENT RATE IN SIGNING TOP-TIER PLAYERS, THEN BE CONTENT TO RELEGATE YOURSELVES TO BASEMENT STATUS..THE ORIOLES HAVE BEEN A COLOSSAL DISAPPOINTMENT..I KNOW I WONT BE COMING TO ANY OF THE GAMES THIS SEASON..MY APATHY HAS BEEN GNAWING AT ME FOR OH SO LONG

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