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October 23, 2008

Like Ravens, I can't wait for Raiders to get here

There's just something about the Oakland Raiders. They're 17-53 since 2004 and their motto is "Commitment to Excellence," which I'm pretty sure was on the short list when Baltimore came up with its "Get in on it!" tourism campaign a few years ago. But if it's any consolation, owner Al Davis was on the short list for that GEICO campaign until they found a cuter lizard.

raider%20nation.jpgOkay, maybe that's a little harsh, but I did hear Davis is planning to fire John Harbaugh when he gets to town this weekend. Claims John isn't who he thought he would be when the Ravens hired him.

My only regret going into this game is that Oakland and Baltimore are so far apart, so there's little chance that any of the true Raider fans will be able to make it to the game. Since it's the last game before Halloween I was thinking about giving out a prize for the funniest costume. Don't know about you, but I'm absolutely terrified of anyone in a plastic helmet with horns sticking out of it.

Some Raider sympathizer wrote in the other day and made the point that there also are people at M&T Bank Stadium who dress in funny get-ups for the game. I agree, they're called mascots, and Poe thanks you for your support. There might even be a few purple face-painters in the crowd, but there's still a difference. They don't think a plastic battleaxe actually makes you the second coming of Braveheart.

Last time I looked, getting nine friends together to terrorize some wimpy kid in the wrong jersey doesn't get you the Congressional Medal of Honor, at least not on this coast (except maybe in Philadelphia).

I apologize in advance for seeming like a hater on this, but there is so little to like about the Raiders organization other than the fact that their defensive coordinator is a dead ringer for Rex Ryan.

If you read my last post -- the one about Bob Irsay being only third on a FanNation list of the biggest traitors in the history of sports -- you should also remember that Davis (who inexplicably isn't on the list) was the one who opened the door for the Colts departure when he joined in the anti-trust lawsuit that allowed him to move the team to LA (albeit temporarily) in 1982.

Posted by Peter Schmuck at 12:54 PM | | Comments (29)
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So with all the good Davis has done for the NFL it's no wonder he's in the Hall of Fame ... not!

Not only did he weaken the league with his suit, he's moved his team around like it was on wheels. In the meantime, Art Modell led the way to the billions the league gets from t.v., and moved his team only when Cleveland basically forced him to, is not in the Hall. I don't get it.

Quote from ESPN's Bill Simmons: When the camera locks on to a Raiders fan, usually a grown man with his face painted wearing shoulder pads with fake spikes made out of tinfoil, you can almost see the thought bubble above the guy's head: "What am I doing? I just, I just gotta do something with my life, man, seriously, this is ridiculous. Don't cry, don't you cry Steve your face paint will run ..."

Speaking of Ryan-re:the bounty controversy.This isn't new in the Ryan family-Daddy (buddy)was known for this as a Chicago Bear and Eagles coach>

The Raiders would be a lot better if the refs wouldn't keep screwing them every sunday. Even the victory over the Jets was full of bad calls by the refs. The RavenNation should be just as angry; Last season the NFL let the refs officiating the game let the Patriots off the hook so the they could stay undefeated. RavenNation complained at first but just like RaiderNation they let ESPN tell them to get over it. Raider and Raven Nation should use the upcoming game to protest NFL bias. And you thought only the Raiders get this kind of treatment.

Stop lying, Art Modell did the same things and worse than Al did. You are just happy to have a football club. The Raiders are an outstanding team talent wise but the NFL wants the club to relocate. Tip! the Raiders three silent partners are trying to take the club from Al with the help of the NFL! Its about money not revenge but some of that too. They want corporations to run teams and screw the fans Al is old school but at least he sees the b.s. going on in the NFL. Ravens fans should join RaiderNation is protesting corruption since they were screwed by the same refs who made sure the Pats won that game last year to please the corporations running the league. By the way, if Al were on his game the Raiders would whip the Ravens.

u guys are really big losers

It certainly is easy to beat a dead horse. Thanks for being creative enough to jump on that bandwagon. Big surprise there.

At least our team doesn't put it in the public record that there is a bounty for taking out certain players. Looking forward for Goodall coming down on the Ravens for that brilliant move.


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Pete's reply: No, you're right. I've watched the Raiders since the Ben Davidson era, and they didn't need any incentive to cheap shot opponents.

I understand it's fun to hate on the Raiders and all that. I've got thick skin by now, but here is a little tip for you in case you ever decide to visit the Oakland Coliseum. It's not the guys in face paint and fake spikes on football pads that you need to worry about. It's the bald guy's with prison tattoos on their heads. Try going to an Oakland home game and have friendly trash talk. No such thing in Oakland.


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Pete's reply: I've been there, and there are some legitimately scary people, but even the physically imposing guys think it's some kind of badge of courage to gang up on a single fan. When I grew up, the guy who needed his friends to help him was considered the wimp.

I look for alot of Raiders fans to attend. I know the Holiday Inn at the Harbor is throwing an Raider Nation party

Re: Tom's comments. What kind of life do you think Raider fans have? I mean we do live in CALIFORNIA. I won't be too hard on all you raven fans this time because i can only imagine what a punishment it must be to live in Baltimore..........just ask the Colts!!! HA!!
Anyway, all you haters just keep on talking smack on your little websites and we will keep on putting the smack-down on all of you that dare come into the Coliseum!!!

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Pete's reply: Hey buddy, I'm from California and used to cover the Raiders when they played in the real Coliseum. I live here because I got tired of sitting in traffic behind you.

The reason because Davis is in the hall of fame and Modell is not is because of the love that the NFL brass has for Cleveland. O hio is a huge football state and many big wigs in the NFL love the tradition. No one from Baltimore has that type of power, and the people in California could care less. How else could Cleveland get an NFL sponsored stadium when LA can't even get a team. If Modell would have moved from Jacksonville, Arizona, or Buffalo he would be in the hall of fame.

What a SCHMUCK article. Nothing at all entertaining or funny here. Poor attempt at any kind of humor. Try to stop stealing ideas from ESPN and come up with something "original" - for once.

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Pete's reply: Sorry buster, but if you think "What a SCHMUCK article" is a funny line, you not thinking my post was funny just reinforces for me that it was.

At least Al's team went back to where it belongs, and Art Modell can't hold a candle to Al Davis in terms of historical impact in the league. I'm born and raised in Oakland and can't stand the costume guys. They account for a very small percentage of fans and only yahoos like you focus on them. This should be a low-scoring affair, but I expect Oakland's defense to force your QB to make more mistakes than ours as we eek one out.


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Pete's reply: Al didn't move back because he was a nice guy. He moved back because he got to stick it to the city of Oakland again. How can anyone in Oakland defend him?

Schmuck,
Please do a piece on the correlation of Jim Leonard and Rudy!

The guy plays hard every week, and is an overachiever.

You did see the movie Rudy?

This nickname must stick - it's classic.


...............................................................................................Pete's reply: Fine with me, but I don't see it. Leonhard is a good player. Everybody in the NFL is a very good football player. Rudy was a practice player in college, but hung around until his teammates felt sorry for him and forced the coach to let him play one down. I saw the movie, but I didn't really like it. Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't see the triumph in it that everybody else saw.

Al Davis is in the HOF b/c he's the one mainly responsible for the merger of the AFL and NFL, only if it had been his way the AFL would've gotten a lot more outta the deal. The NFL will forever hate on the Raiders due to Davis' being such a pain in the ass to Rozell during the merger (remember the immaculate reception or the snow bowl anyone). So unless the bookies in Vegas have such an overwhelming incentive for the Raiders to win a big game don't expect it before Davis expires, think of him as the Fidel Castro of the NFL.

From a matchup perspective I think these teams are very close. Very similar makeups from the inexperienced QB's to the good D's. I give the edge to BAL on D, but I think Jamarcus is better than Flaco. When you factor in Homefield Adv. it's hard not to pick the Ravens, but when you consider all their real fans have to make the drive from Cleveland it's easy to negate said advantage.

Al Davis is in the HOF b/c he's the one mainly responsible for the merger of the AFL and NFL, only if it had been his way the AFL would've gotten a lot more outta the deal. The NFL will forever hate on the Raiders due to Davis' being such a pain in the ass to Rozell during the merger (remember the immaculate reception or the snow bowl anyone). So unless the bookies in Vegas have such an overwhelming incentive for the Raiders to win a big game don't expect it before Davis expires, think of him as the Fidel Castro of the NFL.

From a matchup perspective I think these teams are very close. Very similar makeups from the inexperienced QB's to the good D's. I give the edge to BAL on D, but I think Jamarcus is better than Flaco. When you factor in Homefield Adv. it's hard not to pick the Ravens, but when you consider all their real fans have to make the drive from Cleveland it's easy to negate said advantage.

You should attempt writing an article with facts and pour some knolwedge into it. All you can write is " Im a Hater because my mascot is a crow and the fan base here blows goats " Write something that cant be found on every other Raider Haters Blog. Go Raiders !!

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Pete's reply: Just a thought. Have you ever wondered why there are so many Raiders hater blogs?

who are the ravens?????first of all???A CROW??? arent you guys the browns????a dog is better than a bird that no one likes!!! you have no identity one super bowl (I give you that atleast your better than the chargers!!!) but still the ravens!!!! I cant even take you serious!!!as far as Al Davis hes had better days I will admit that, but when you can fight the system ,win and get money!!! send me a e-mail. cause all that whinning sounds "SOFT." I understand CALI is where you wanna be, and all that hatin is keeping you warm!!! I would hate to if I was a ravens fan!!!! all in all thanks for the hate,RAIDER NATION FOE LIFE!!!!!!


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Pete's reply: I lived in "Cali" when people were embarrassed to call it "Cali." I lived in the OC when nobody called it "The OC." I even covered the Raiders for awhile. I'll take the Chesapeake Bay over the East Bay any day of the week.

Hey Pete...

Tell Rich Gannon that Tony Seragusa's hit (only a couple of years ago) that basically ended his career, wasn't a cheap shot.

Not a big fan of the face painters and people who dress up either, but it is their way of celebrating their team. I can't argue with their loyalty. But it doesn't make me any less loyal since I don't dress up or paint my face.

And, each team has their fair share of degenerates, it's not just the Raiders. I have been a season ticket holder for a number of years and I will tell you it is much safer going to a Raiders game in OakTown than it was when they were here in LA.


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Pete's reply: I've been to Raider games in both places, too, and I felt fine in both places, but I wasn't wearing a Chargers jersey. The thing that cracks me up is, the Raiders built this reputation on purpose and now their fans get mad when anyone mentions it.


Ya you're right, why would any football fan dress up and paint their face. This isn't soccer. You just don't understand a real fan base when you see one that actually gives a damn about their team. Go tailgating at Mcaffee and tell a raider fan this to his face and see what happens. Maybe you will be scared of a man whose wearing a plastic helmet with horns coming out of it.

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Pete's reply: You're right. I'm sure he'd get about 12 friends and I would only be able to fend them off for a couple of hours. I probably would only be able to distract them with Halloween candy for so long.

Al didn't come back to screw Oakland. He came back because they promised to publicly fund the stadium renovation, which is on the city council, not Al. I don't "defend" the guy. I'm just pointing out Art Modell is not nearly as significant figure in the league. I'm a harsh critic of the old man at this point. We need a GM and coaching stability. At least we have an exciting QB and backfield . . . and don't wear purple.

I have lived 4 weeks or more in 9 different American states, including California, Texas, New Hampshire, and Florida. For me, the Baltimore metropolitan area was the most enjoyable. Annapolis has all of the charm of an old European city, their is incredible variety in the types of bodies of water. You can go from cities, to mountains to oceans in relatively little time. That is why I have adopted Baltimore as my American home town.

So I must assume that those Oaklandites (Oaklandarians??) who think Marylanders yearn to live in California speak from their lack of time spent in the Maryland area.


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Pete's reply: But you have to live here to know that. I thought the same thing they did until I moved here. Well, maybe not exactly the same thing, since I was usually sober, but some of the same things.

I have lived 4 weeks or more in 9 different American states, including California, Texas, New Hampshire, and Florida. For me, the Baltimore metropolitan area was the most enjoyable. Annapolis has all of the charm of an old European city, their is incredible variety in the types of bodies of water. You can go from cities, to mountains to oceans in relatively little time. That is why I have adopted Baltimore as my American home town.

So I must assume that those Oaklandites (Oaklandarians??) who think Marylanders yearn to live in California speak from their lack of time spent in the Maryland area.

When Bob Irsay died, he did the nicest thing he ever could for Baltimore.

Pete, I wish you would have put the guy who referenced people with prison tattoos as those to be feared in his place better. Is intimidation from a convicted felon really a point of pride for fans? Is the decay of one's city really a point of pride for the residents?
If so then Oakland and Baltimore are well matched. Tell that guy to bring his bald-headed tatted friend and come sit by me and the real people the Wire based their characters on. Oh wait, they won't be there because they're either dead, in jail, or can't afford tickets. I'm sorry this kind of foolishness bugs me. Maybe because we live along side the reality of it.

Wow, you guys are tools. Do you realize that this is tantamount to Orioles fans talking trash? Your the effing Raiders! You had a good run from 2000-2003, and where are you now? You guys are now the NFL's personal graveyard. You are where players and coaches go to die. You claimed Warren Sapp, Daunte Culpepper, and almost Randy Moss. I don't even want to go through the list of coaches whom you've scared back to the college ranks.
And if you're lucky enough to scare up a seat or two in the upper deck (and you may not, since the scalpers are less than accomodating to opposing fans), you'd best shut your mouths. Your team sucks, your owner sucks, and as far as I can tell, your fans suck, too. And Rich Gannon wears a skirt. Peace I'm out!

It always makes me laugh when fans from around the country think they have any Idea what they are talking about when it comes to Raider Fans. I'm a season ticket holder and have had plenty of fun and games crap talking with all sorts of fans. What because you read a Schmuch article (obviously biases) you think you know something? LOL... Come to California period and even stop by Beverly Hills. You will see plenty of bald headed dudes with prison tattoos on their heads and they can even be wearing a Ravens shirt. It's hotel california but even in all of that and all of the crappy teams the Raiders have had the past 6 seasons, Raider fans are loyal.

Rather be a RAIDER than a worthless trash eating bird, a.k.a RAVEN

Ya gotta love this rivalry.
What was great about clashes between the Raiders and Ravens in the past was in the AFC championship game in 2001 when Tony Siragusa did what looked like a cannon ball on to Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon in some kind of heinous WWF maneuver, effectively taking Gannon out of the game and the Ravens on to demolish the New York Giants in the Super Bowl. Now, that's football!
Hey, we'll take it.
Even with the nutjob Raiders fans in the Dungeons&Dragons KISS makeup having spaz attacks.

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