Brady's the man. I guess he's gay, too... even though he has a kid from a Playboy model.

Roch, does this report and the info on Tejada and B12 give any prudence to Palmeiro's defense?

Roch,

How could you forget the immortal Manny Alexander?! Granted, the infraction was in 2000, but he had O's ties!

You mean for the all-time Orioles' shortstop list? Oh...that. My bad. Thanks.

They should print that report in the National Enquirer, I have no doubts that 2/3 of the players are guilty, and most of the O's but most of is based on conjecture... the sections with Brob and Hal Morris are just ridiculous, its just documented gossip and hearsay... also I am sure it is unobjective and bias since George Mitchell is on the board of director for the BoSox and the most prominent players to voluntarily not resign with the Sox, Clemens and Vaughn are in the report and amazingly not one player from 2004 team was on the juice despite all the rampant cheating... what a joke...

I have always felt that we did not have the whole Palmeiro story, and I now feel like we REALLY don;t have the whole story. The steroid he took was so outdated and testable that no one in their right mind would take it. And Tejada's "B12" sounds pretty darn suspect, you have to wonder what he may have injected himself with without even knowing it.

Way to go, Brady! :o)

How about Jim Beattie and Mike Flanagan being in the report? They knew David Segui was using juice and didn't report it to the Commissioner's Office. If only they reported him, perhaps some of the younger guys would've never gotten in this mess. Being that Flanagan's job hasn't looked like it's all that safe in the last few months, might this put it in further jeopardy?

I thought I saw Fernando Tatis in there...

Gotta say, the "evidence" against BRob is pretty thin. Even the way it is worded is less damning.

to respond to an earlier post responding to an earlier post from me; no, i'm not on drugs..... however, brian roberts power surge a few years ago, the fact that he and hairston (also on the list) were in a battle for 2nd, and now this evidence, though it is hearsy, concludes one thing. the man failed to resist temptation. he wanted the job, knew hairston was enhancing, and thought that he had better do the same. we'll get good return. perhpas a starting OF and a mid level prospect P. i think maybe i would sign prior. his experience out of the bullpen could be a plus........

Steroids definitely improved the performance of Chuck Knoblauch. On roids, he was able to direct the ball in the vicinity of the first baseman 63 per cent of the time. Off roids? You're looking at a guy scooping it up and then spiking his toes.

makes you wonder why so many free agents havent signed with the O's in recent years...

i have a feeling that a lot of players knew there were O's juicing and either chose to come here because of it (Tejada and Javy Lopez) or chose not to come here (Konerko, Vlad, countless others)

It was clear that our FO tried to make big signings, but the players probably didnt want to get involved in the O's steroid ring

Thank you, David Segui, for being an ass

another thought, should Pete Rose be re-instated since these players cheated worse than he did? i seriously doubt that MLB will ban any of these players

No Sammy Sosa in the report???

How can that be???

Maybe George Mitchell is the new owner of the Cubs.

A few things in the report are alarming. There really seems to be a problem with these drugs in the Dominican Republic and it is noted in the report. There are a lot of poor players in that area that would do anything to get in the Big leagues. The is nothing MLB can do about it other than education. Too bad the drug dealers down there have a huge head start on the problem. MLB will have to work at a grass roots level in the US and the Latin America countries and hope over time this problem through open communication and education will go away. You can't have players learning about these things from Jose Cansaco and David Segui. As for Brian Roberts, I hope these things are not true and are lies but I am sorry to say deep down he was involved with HGH or any other supplement. Very sad to to hear he was linked to that report. It will dog him the rest of his career. Also, thank goodness we traded Tejada before this mess came out. What an idiot!

It seems the Roberts comment by Bigbie is pretty thin evidence to be included in the report when McGuire isn't even mentioned in the report, and Sosa was excluded for simply refusing to be interviewed.

I would hope some of these players are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Roberts may be guilty of it, but based on this it's a big if.

That's a pretty lame rebuttal from Brady. Just because he might have taken steroids one year doesn't mean he took them any other year. He very well could have used them for one or two years, then decided to stop taking them.

Did anyone else just hear Commish Selig? Judge Landis he ain't!

That was as vague as he could be in my eyes. All he did was spin & bs, pat ML baseball on the back for having the most stern penalties for blah blah blah.....
I think all these guys will walk with a ...bad boy, don't do this again!...

The talking heads on ESPN have repeatedly brought up Roberts' inclusion in the report as ridiculous based on the hearsay included...Peter Gammons just said it was disgusting that his name has to be dragged through the mud based on a recollection of one conversation a few years ago...I like Gammons sticking up for him!

I still say Brady is suspect, you can pick for yourselves which topic I am referring to... :-)

Roch,

I meant Manny on the Mitchell Orioles list.

From what I read in these news reports, I don't think the evidence against B-Rob is hearsay. Larry Bigbie testified that B-Rob admitted he used steroids. It seems to me hearsay would have to involve a third party. Copies of Tejada's cancelled checks is certainly not hearsay. Is this enough evidence to convict either in a criminal court? Probably not, but I am not deluding myself anymore, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and swims like a duck...it's a cheating MLBer.

The baseball analyst will stick up for the players. They know where their paycheck comes from.

I think it is safe to say that Baseball has finally found a worse public speaker than Peter Angelos.

I only heard the radio, but Selig must have a pretty bad cold for all the snorting he did. It was very difficult to follow anything he said.

This is a guy who could make anything sound boring.

The names on the list are those who were dumb enough to leave a trail of some type. I think a lot more aren't mentioned than who are.

"Cheaters never win." Especially when they all play(ed) for the O's.

Most of the guys who juiced were the ones who needed a little something to get them over the top. It's obvious that Brady juiced, (almost as obvious as Bonds) got his big contract and then got scared straight. He not fooling anybody. Concerning Roberts, most of these guys would never out another player, so you have to give some credence to those that do.

Eric in PA - George Mitchell was not then and is not now a federal investigator.

If Mitchell were a federal investigator he would have had to pay attention to evidence, corroborate his accusations and verify his sources' information.

This report does not care if there is a basis for the accusation, it only interested in the accusation.

Also, where was Gary Matthews? He is on Grimsley's list and is one of the prime names in the Florida hGH investigation.

The Mitchell Report Team:

CF: Lenny Dykstra
2B: Brian Roberts
LF: Barry Bonds
RF: Garry Sheffield
1B: Jason Giambi
SS: Miguel Tejada
3B: Troy Glaus
DH: Jose Canseco
C: Paul Lo Duca

Bench: Chuck Knoblauch, Gregg Zaun, David Justice, Jose Guillen

SP: Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Kevin Brown, Denny Neagle, Ismael Valdez

RP: Eric Gagne, John Rocker, Mike Stanton, Ron Villone, Scott Schoenweis, Jason Grimsley, Brendan Donnelly

Clearly they're playing in the AL. I like the power (obviously) lefties out of the bullpen. You sacrifice a little defense in the outfield, but I mean come on. These enhanced pitchers are perfectly capable of handling the workload. The Rocket will be mowing people down and this team would win by an average of 10 runs. And the Os get two in the starting lineup, plus a couple pitchers. Not too shabby.

Everyone should remember, Mitchell basically said the use was RAMPANT. He only listed the names of people who got "outed" by the guys they have traced so far , that were "dealing/supplying". The guys interviewed, like the Spankeee trainer gave up their "clients" but others are probably out there with "clients" too. I think it's safe to say there are others out there. Let's see what happens when BALCO gets dug into further. To use an example, they haven't found the source for guys like B Anderson or other guys suspected due to quick increase in size, strength, stats, etc. They were just smarter or more clever in covering tracks, that's all. I think there is more & Mitchell all but said there is more, he just couldn't find the evidence or witnesses.

Hearsay is when you say something you heard someone else say. Bigbie is the third party in this situation - he is telling what Roberts said.

Now, if Bigbie witnessed Roberts doing something - different story.

C is for a crock report

Brother Country...I meant nothing by that remark, especially personally...I was trying to prove that anyone can say anything about anyone...Doesnt mean its true. I do not know if Roberts did, and honestly I could cares less....Anyone who has ever played baseball knows that no drug will help you hit the ball....Might turn a 400 ft out into a 420 ft HR but they to me are strictly to help injury recovery...Right now I have a doctor considering treating me with hgh to help my knees...Nothing else has worked....Maybe I should be on the Mitchell report, I played ball in High School...

Anyhow sorry for rambling...

Keep in mind folks that there are different degrees of guilt in this whole mess. If I smoke pot once or twice, am I a druggie? No. If I've smoked a few cigarettes, am I a smoker? No. If Bigbie is telling the truth, and I would think that he is, than BRob distanced himself from the whole ordeal and then said he did it once or twice. Taking steroids once or twice isn't going to alter any performance, especially peformance several months after the last time you took them.

This isn't just the case with Brian, as I'm sure several cases are pretty weak in the report. But from what I have read, Brian's case is the weakest of them all. If Clemens only took steroids twice, or a couple more, I wouldn't consider him a cheater. Almost everyone tries something a few times and regrets it. But it seems like it was part of Roger's workout regiment, in which case yes he's a cheater.

Just keep that in mind. Not everyone deserves to be tried for murder when a few may have just kicked a guy in the leg.

I'm surprised a lot more guys weren't on the list. Seems that those on it were nailed because they were close in one way or another with the guys dumb enough to sign checks and money orders. Roberts was Sequi's roomie for awhile. And that Oriole management turned a blind eye to Tejada's hypo injections to himself and teammates is reprehensible.

Include McGwire & Sosa as further examples, along with Anderson, of my previous post on having not found all the sources yet..... there are more out there, lots more. The ones in the M report are just the unlucky ones that were associated with the 2 main suppliers that have been busted & cooperated at this pt.

People, people, people.... Let's get this straight:

Hearsay is exactly what the words say. The witness hears something and then says it in court.

Example, Joe Blow says on the stand "John Doe told me he stabbed Betty Boop." In court, it is hearsay if the purpose of the statement is to establish the truth of what the statement reveals (Doe stabbed Boop).

It is not hearsay if the witness says it to establish that the thing was said. (Q: And after you saw Doe standing over the body of Boop, did he say anything? A: John Doe told me he stabbed Betty Boop.)

Larry Bigbie saying Roberts told him he, Roberts, used steroids in an un-witnessed, un-corroborated statement, absent other evidence (as is the case here) is hearsay.

THE 2000 WORLD CHAMPION YANKEES HAD 8 OF THESE GUYS ON THEIR ROSTER. IS THAT THE HIGHEST TEAM TOTAL? note: they haven't won a WS since. karma?

I am no lawyer so I kept researching. According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay_in_United_States_law

This is part of their discussion: "But what if the defendant is the person who made the statement that is now being offered against him? To object, “hearsay” in this circumstance would be as absurd as to argue, “This statement is unreliable because I cannot cross-examine myself; therefore, how can I trust what I said?” In this situation the objection of the Hearsay rule falls away, because the very basis of the rule is lacking, viz. the need and prudence of affording an opportunity of cross-examination. Another way of looking at it is that a defendant who faces his own statement being used against him has an opportunity to cross-examine himself – he can take the witness stand and explain his prior assertion, so the rule is satisfied.

If Cheri is a lawyer I'll believe her otherwise I'm believing Wikipedia.

Sounds like the O's must have been using confederate roids too...

Seeing Brian Roberts' name in there really hurts. To think I let my child wear a Brian Roberts T-shirt all summer hurts even more. I will be burning that, along with the rest of my "vitamin B-12". Whatever. I have no respect for these cheaters. They have soiled the game.

I see someone else mentioned it, but it bears repeating...let's just suppose for a minute, now that Tejada has been directly linked...

What if Palmiero really did think we was taking JUST a B-12 supplement?

The possibility is there that his career was ruined because he trusted a tainted teammate.

That would be very sad.

Are we ever going to hear any good news from the Orioles again?

Every year we seem to trade our talent for mediocre players ... how many years now have we been told the Orioles are rebuilding? To top it off Mr. Angelos seems either not inclined or not able to spend on top notch quality free agents - which has made many fans question his committment to fielding a quality team as opposed to just making money. He is widely seen throughout baseball as another meddling George Steinbrenner and the Orioles have become an irrelevant laughing stock of baseball with little chance of being competitive, a weak farm system and little to offer even in the way of trades. A far cry from the glory days of the team or even the years with Cal Ripkin when we were held in high regard.

What has gone so wrong for so long? Truth be told NO ONE I know can see a competitive team in the future nor any strong pitchers or position players (that we don't trade). How can you build a quality team if you let all your top talent leave? Like many fans I have been a season ticket holder for years and have grown up an Orioles fan - but am completely frustrated with the direction of the franchise.

Now to top it off revelations from the Mitchell Report have revealed many Orioles players used performance enhancing drugs. Yet another black mark for a team in disarray. So I ask again are we ever going to have a competetive team with good news? All i can say is clean house, get your act together, get a clear game plan, build, acquire AND RETAIN talent and show the fans that you care and that the team and owner are making a serious effort and working in a positive direction.

A couple things... Vinny, before you burn your kid's shirt, you need to read exactly what is said about him in the report. People need to resist the knee-jerk reactions. ALso, I myself thought about 'what if Raffy did get a tainted B-12 syringe from Miggy?' That makes perfect sense. It would be nice if he would come out and say something. Really though, if anyone is wanting to crucify Brian Roberts for what is mentioned in the report, you're crazy.

You've got to be kidding me. Howie Clark is listed. My baseball idol. How can this fourty something guy ever look at baseball again? This is a pure, innocent and American as apple pie game. Not Howie Clark to. Whatever is going to happen now, I hope to all current players, it's not going to be just a slap on the wrist. I want to see some action, but I still want opening day on March 31st.

I've lost absolutely no respect for Roberts. I agree with everyone else when they say this is hardly concrete evidence against him. I also agree with the people saying how one or two times of steroids is NOT going to enhance ANYthing! Sure it was wrong for him to do that (IF he did), but that's just like people trying pot or some other kind of drug. If someone TRIES that's different than continuing the usage of it. If he did try it, then he obviously realized trying it was wrong and stopped. So yeah, my opinion of Roberts hasn't changed in the least bit.

WeBoDave:

Wikipedia is mostly right. There is a "nonhearsay" classification for "admissions by party opponent" under the Federal Rules of Evidence that permit the statements of a defendant to be admitted because of the reasons Wikipedia lists. The defendant is in the courtroom and can answer the statements.

However, that's not to say that all admissions make it into evidence. A statement like this is inherently unreliable because nobody else witnessed it and there's no evidence it actually happened. There's only an inference that the witness wouldn't risk a perjury charge, and in cases where there's no proof of the conversation, that's pretty light. A judge has discretion to kick out evidence that would be overly prejudicial to a jury, and I bet an admission like this one would have a decent chance of being excluded.

It's been a long time since I took evidence, but I believe that in some states (Maryland for example) an admission by party opponent is not classified as nonhearsay. In Maryland, it's hearsay, but is subject to a hearsay exception that allows it to be introduced unless it would be overly prejudicial. That's just my recollection, not gospel truth.

Can't help but thinking: ten years of losing... and they were "pumped up" too??? But let's get on to things that provide much more hope and spiritual enlightenment - like who the heck is going to play CF and SS for us?

Kent Mercker being on the list makes me want to say there must be a type of steroid that makes you play worse instead of better, and that's the kind he was using.

WeBoDave - You have focused on a narrow part of the definition that supports your argument. Nothing wrong with this, but it would be overturned on appeal.

Bigbie's statement "Roberts told me he used steroids" is offered as evidence. The purpose is to use what Bigie said Roberts said to prove Roberts used steroids. This is hearsay.

As your wikipedia defintion says: it is hearsay if "(2) The statement must be offered to prove the truth of what the statement asserts if anything.

Put another way, if the probative value of the statement depends on the credibility of the person who made it, that statement is necessarily offered for the purpose of proving its truth."

Going on to the examples sited: "In the first trial, the issue is whether Slayer attempted to kill Monica. Officer Friday is asked to testify to what he heard Monica scream from inside the house, i.e., "Help, Slayer is trying to kill me!" This statement would be hearsay. Officer Friday is being asked to testify to what Monica said to prove that Slayer attempted to murder Monica. Unless the attorney can show that this statement falls within an exception to the hearsay rule, the factfinder (the judge or jury) will never be allowed to consider Monica's statement."

This definition is precisely what Bigbie's comment is used for. There is no other evidence other than Bigbie's statement. Bigbie even impeaches himself when he says Roberts was never around when he and Segui shot up and he, Bigbie, never saw Roberts use steroids.

Hence, the statement is heresay.

Steve Phillips was GM for the Mets during this time and did not report it. BUThe shure is involved in Espncomments today on the Roid people. Hipocrits.

Maybe this is too obvious and nobody's saying it, but I believe that Roch's list of "players with Orioles ties" includes only 2 current Orioles -- Gibbons (whom we already knew about), and Roberts (and the evidence against him is certainly weaker than some of the other players). The O's have to decide how to handle these two, and the fans have to decide how to respond (burning Roberts jerseys, etc.) -- BUT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE! I was fearing something like half the current Orioles team on the Mitchell report. Perhaps the Orioles were once drug central, but perhaps things have changed.

"What if Palmiero really did think we was taking JUST a B-12 supplement?"

You're kidding right? Canseco comments aside have you ever looked at Palmiero's numbers?

A few examples of his ridiculous power surge, he is the only member of the 500 home run club to ever lead a league in singles. Before the age of 26 he had THREE 550+ AB season and his high for HR was a whopping 14. Yet from 33 to 37 he topped 40 four times.

N is for no way was he clean.

given all the names that have in some capacity a link to the Orioles...is it a fair assumption that Richie Bancells may have a prominent role? It seems from all the interviews and stories written about current and former trainers, it appears that the trainers for each team might have some place in all this mess.

Also to note: When the random survey was taken and it showed that 5-7% of all players used performance enhancing drugs yet in the Mitchell Report only about 1% of players were named. Clearly the Mets clubhouse guy wasn't the ONLY guy providing steroids. Given the amount of players who relied on him, one can imagine that a few other people in his position have provided plenty of services for another group of players. Also, one must assume that some players went to alternate sources. I imagine that a large group of players would receive shipments in other areas like Canada and Mexico or during winter league seasons abroad. I work out religiously and know that if I chose to do so, it would take a matter of minutes to locate sources of steroids at a gym or elsewhere. A professional athlete has much more resources--though the risks associated with trust and confidentiality are infinitely greater.

To those upset about the "hearsay" claims by people like Larry Bigbie that implicate Brian Roberts, it seems much of this is based on hearsay inlcuding Clemens, Pettite, Piatt (regarding Tejada) etc. Obviously it's still hearsay though some of the sources did release names following indictments. Since Mitchell had no authority to warrant subpoenas to players and simply had to rely exclusively on "voluntary" admissions, it's not a guarantee on validity only on what was on record from said individuals.

Some complain that just because a player refused to be interviewed by the Mitchell investigation, it doesn't indicate guilt or admission to such claims. However, it seems awfully bold of a player--who has right to attorneys,player reps, etc--to have the opportunity to clear their names when standing accused and decline to do so.

Watch for MANY more names to surface. Consider the list like a pyramid. As you go down the list, each player [named] can name others and those players will or could name others and eventually it will go so far down the line, it might be easier to find those who DON'T use PEDs. Consider the players who are clean and lose their starting job or experience diminishing playing time (which directly will affect future earnings). I imagine they will certainly be interested in sharing information. The brotherhood of players can only extend so far--it doesn't precede the individual player's families. This seems to only be the tip of the iceberg. It's a sad day for a great game but I can't imagine too many people who have read the Mitchell Report are shocked or even remotely surprised.

I never thought I'd ever feel sorry for Bud Selig, but watching him speak at his press conference was sad and painful to observe. He looked like a parent of a troubled kid who finally got the call he dreaded in the middle of the night from the police with terrible news. He seemed overwhelmed and yet accepting of the findings.

Craig - It is a far greater travesty that so many people are being accused on specious "evidence."

You were already convinced Tejada is guilty, so go have your little party. Pop some bubbley and bang some pots and pans.

If the evidence Mitchell details on Tejada were presented in court it would be dismissed straight out.

If this is what you want to hang your victory on, be my guest. But doesn't it bother you even a little that there was nothing of substance to link Tejada to steroids?

If Tejada were a serial abuser, by the way, why would he be using an easily detectable, 1980's technology steroid like stanizol?

And out of curiosity, why are you so ready to forgive Palmeiro and not Tejada. Who has the positive test? That did not come from one injection.

Yea sure the Orioles took PEDs.... Performance Eroding Drugs that is...

I guess I should have included in my comment on hearsay that it assumes Roberts is the defendant. Otherwise, there's really no way it ever gets in.

Tom D: The "admissions" exception applies regardless of whether you're going for truth of the matter asserted or another purpose, correct? It's been a while and I'm not a litigator.

In happier news, the O's signed one of my other favorite players, Tike Redman to a one year contract, then Roberto Novoa and Cory Doyne. Things are looking up.

Thank you for enlightening me DCLaw and I will be watching Law and Order, etc... with a more skeptical eye.

I have not lost all respect for Roberts but I am disgusted by the prevalence of performance enhancers in baseball and I think Roberts deserves to be in the report. If he never admitted steroid use to Bigbie all he had to do was tell Mitchell that and I think he would not be listed. I also think there is circumstantial evidence implicating Roberts. His power surge a couple of years ago and the pervasive use of steroids and HGH in the Orioles clubhouse and MLB. As I said in my original post I don't think this would be enough to evidence to convict but I choose to admit that it's likely many of the players implicated (including Roberts) violated baseball's rules and the law. I agree that he is far from the worst offender but I choose not to minimize or automatically deny these allegations.

Baseball must rid itself of performance enhancers and I think the Mitchell report is a step in that direction and hence has value and merit.

Note To B-ROB

Plausable Deniability
I imagine he just got tired of being asked to try it...so he says he's tried it and didn't like it to get people from continuing to harrass him about trying it.

Roberts should sue for libel and defamation of character for being mentioned in this report with what little evidence they have. The whole circumstance surrounding his supposed "admission" to Bigbie sounds more like something like this: Bigbie "So B-Rob, want to shoot some steroids with me and Segui?" Roberts "Gee, no thanks Larry. I've tried them a couple of times and I really don't like them."

This report is a joke.

Due to my self imposed silence on certain issues I am left with nothing to talk about but baseball.

Trade anyone remotely linked to that document released today. Ooops, that slipped out, I swear.

I think Prior would be worth a flyer if the money was right. The O's just cleared a little payroll as I recall.

I love MacPhail's timing of the trade. Cracks me up.

I'm jonesing for the next trade, sort of like a few of the O's...............never mind.

For those you said it could be worse are right. We could have actually won something with these players. Every team has a current or former player on the list but the Orioles are pretty bad. Sixteen guys to be exact while some other teams like the Reds only have a few.

I believe Palmeiro a little more than I did two years ago. After the testimony on capitol hill I believed him for the simple fact was Palmeiro never swung real hard and never hit monster home runs. If he was on steroids you think he would have hit the warehouse a couple of times. I would like to hear an interview with now with Palmeiro.

Its kind of weird that none of the players that Jose Canseco named in his book. Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Raffy. Sounds to me like Canseco has no street cred.

If Roberts was a full time steroid user in 2005 and that caused him to hit 18 home runs, how come he only hit 1 home run during the first half of the 2006 season? Then, followed that by hitting 9 the second half of the year, and 12 last year. If he had been on roids all three years, wouldn't he have been caught in a test a long time ago? Someone eplain that one to me.

I'm disappointed to see so many Os named in the report, but I've only had a chance to skim through the names. Maybe they weren't all doping while they were with us. I mean, wouldn't the team's record suggest they were clean? At any rate, I'm not giving up my right to call the Ys cheaters.

Here! Here! Karl S. Well said.

I'd like to hear from Roberts. Something. And soon. The longer he waits, the worse it gets. Honesty goes a long way, and it looks like whether he did anything or not being forthright about it will help.

I've figured out what I want for Christmas, besides Elisha Cuthbert.

One day of a sports section that doesn't read like a police blotter and / or Court Docket. Got any help with that one?

Karl S. - did you work for the Orioles at one time?

sarasota o's fan, it's all good..... it's the quintesential debate. are sports figures subject to ethical scrutiny. as for the evidence, obviously, it would never hold in court. however, there are many a guilty man walking the streets because of legal litigation. just b/c it won't hold in court doesn't mean the obvious is the obvious. as far as hitting 300 is still hitting 300. i don't know. i think these drugs enhance the human body's abilities, not just muscular strength, but eye sight, too, i think, could be included. but really, i'm not saying he doesn't belong in the bigs, i'm just saying i don't want his poster on my son's wall anymore. he, tejada, palmeiro and javy are all on one poster in his room..... almost like an hGH roster...... that's all. thanks for the thought sarasota......

This thing is complete bullshit!! Not one current Red Sox player...yeah right. Manny doesnt do them but Brian Roberts does? I see huge holes in this. And how is Roberts name in there just because he said Bigbie said so? Its a which hunt...nothing more. Roberts might have used steroids, I mean, who knows? But there needs to be more foundation to make claims like Mitchell did. Im gonna make a claim right now: Mitchell is on meth

For those people who are using the logic that because Brian didn't meet with Mitchell to discuss his innocence it means he was probably guilty here is a little blurb in the report from Mitchell. "In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined." That quote doesn't tell me that Brian was told that Larry had made a direct confession about what was told to him...it says to me that all Brian knew was that Mitchell wanted to meet with him to discuss the investigation.

And as far as the "power surge" to further cast doubt on B-Rob's innocence. 2004 was the first time he played a full season at the major league level and in 2005 he hit several more homeruns that is true. But he hit a comparable number of homeruns in the 2006 AND the 2007 seasons. It's hard enough for me to buy into the notion that with having open heart surgery as a child that he would contemplate using any kind of PED knowing what a serious threat it poses to your overall health, but to expect me to believe that Brian decided to start taking some sort of performance enhancer AFTER both steroids and hGH were officially banned in MLB in order to bulk up his homerun numbers as a leadoff guy....I just can't see the logic in that.

And whether it is technically defined in a court of law (which none of this was done on any level of a legitimate legal proceeding anyhow), it still remains that it comes down to nothing more than one man's word against anothers.

Have to laugh at the comments by Brady. Last I checked McGwire nor Sosa was mentioned either. Guess that means they were clean too.

Hey Zeke, ever think maybe that nasty arm injury was the real cause for B-Rob's drop in "power"? Think about it.

Roch,

Can you please put some more information out there as to how Roberts is implicated? It seems that none of your colleagues will and I think that is irresponsible. I urge everyone to actually read the report before commenting or passing judgement on Roberts. I think you'll find that it doesn't hold water and it's defaming with zero credibility. Unfortunately anyone that just reads the paper or the list is going to convict Roberts in the court of public opinion. It's irresponsible journalism in my opinion.

Let's say you're a somewhat established major leaguer. You're watching your friend struggle, with injuries and his conscience. You know details of his past, how he was trying PEDs, and you can see he's lost. He sees himself as inferior to you, because you resisted the temptation and he fell to it. Maybe you try to encourage him by throwing a line such as "I tried them once or twice," just to let him know that failure is human - even if you never actually did it.

Forget the juicing, I just want someone to fill me in on the Playboy Model and Brady's kid...all news to me.!

Bert79 - If Roberts even made the statement that's exactly what I think he was doing. His best friends are using and all want him to as well - it's not necessarily taking the high road but he probably realized that wouldn't change anything and Roberts if anything strikes me as someone that likes to avoid confrontation. As for not talking, if you know you didn't do it, then there's no need. The public is smart enough to figure it out.

As for his "power year" - there are a ton of plausible explanations as to why he finally broke out. As for not putting up the same numbers since - don't forget that was a terrible injury.