Davey's reaction
Happy Memorial Day to everyone. I hope none of you are stuck in traffic on the Bay Bridge.
(Of course, if that's the case, you're probably not reading this blog at the moment)
Remember, leave early and stay late. I think that's how it goes.
For those of you who read Davey Johnson's quotes in today's Washington Post, please keep in mind that Jeff Zrebiec's story in yesterday's edition of The Sun stated that the Orioles had internal discussions about Johnson. It's pretty hard for the guy to dispute that statement. How would he know what's being said inside the warehouse?
And honestly, did anyone expect Johnson to confirm that he wants a job currently held by one of his good friends?
Johnson went a little overboard with his rant, but it was predictable. He'll deny it right up until the day, if it comes, that he takes over.
Johnson wasn't a huge fan of mine when I first joined the beat. This was 1997, when I backed up Joe Strauss (now covering the Cardinals at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch).
I had the nerve to question a bullpen move - or lack thereof - in a game story. And when I say "question," I mean that I pointed out how Johnson could have brought in a reliever, but chose not to. He made certain to pull me aside after the next day's pre-game media session and remind me that if I had any questions, I should just ask him and he'd be more than happy to enlighten me.
It made sense, and I would have done so if I thought the situation warranted it.
Meanwhile, the other reporters were amused by the whole scene. The new kid on the beat had lost his virginity, in a sense. I got my first scolding from Davey Johnson, though it was quite tame by his standards.
Johnson figured I knew nothing about baseball, and shared that opinion with Strauss and Ken Rosenthal, a Sun columnist at the time. I'm paraphrasing here, but he invited them into his office, closed his door and said something like, "That Rocco is so far over his head..."
Rosenthal repeats this line frequently when we cross paths. It was an instant classic, as only Davey could deliver it.
I only hope my co-workers defended me at the time, but I'm not so sure. They might have been too busy laughing.

Comments
Now the Davey Johnson news has made its way onto ESPN - this could get interesting...
Posted by: Lauren | May 28, 2007 11:05 AM
Manager firings and hrings are big stories for newspapers and other media covering the home teams. They happen every year in three or four cities with underachieving teams. It's fair game for reporters, but I find they get tiresome as they drag along day after day. So it was amusing to read Davey Johnson's quote in the post: "Leave me out of these sordid little games you play." Of course the front office could stop the sordidness if they would just come out and say, Sam Perlozzo is our manager. Period.
Posted by: Bob the 1st | May 28, 2007 11:11 AM
lol .... "Leave me out of these sordid little games you play"
if davey wants to watch a "sordid little game" he should watch the Mother's Day Massacre.
there's pirate DVDs available in boston.
GO ORIOLES!!!!!!!!! Eat KC for DINNER!!!!
Posted by: the wayward O | May 28, 2007 11:12 AM
Those comments are precisely why the O's should hire him.
They need a big dose of whuppass in that clubhouse, and I don't mean the energy drink.
Posted by: tvdpdx | May 28, 2007 12:07 PM
Amid all the controversy about the manager, the only thing that has changed is the discussion has become very public, nationally public. I feel bad for Perlozzo, but he has some reponsibilty in the creation of this mess.
Should we be happy that we're in 2nd place? Maybe if it were under different circumstances. Face it, Toronto(who we still can't beat) and the Yankees have suffered significant injuries. I know the O's lost Wright and Benson. Their replacements have been better! The fact remains we are eleven and one half games out on Memorial Day. Seven games out of the wild card. Reverse our 23-27 record and we'd be right in the hunt. Who couldn't pick four games that we lost that we could have easily won. Don't forget, that before the last two games, we we're 10-20 in the previous 30 games. That's a .333 clip.
So something has to change. Either we get rid of the manager and bring in someone who commands respect from everyone(Girardi or Davey Johnson would do that quickly), or we get rid of the players who are the problem. Players who have certainly had plenty of time to show us that they can be a part of the solution here.
The players I speak of are Tejada, Gibbons, and Mora. I think it's great that Tejada is hitting with some power. This can only increase his trade value. He has demonstrated zero leadership this season, this from a player who felt it necessary to state in spring training that he would have a "new and improved" attitude.
Gibbons may be beyond help. I know his big salary will be nearly impossible to move. Just swallow hard when you release him or agree to pay most of it in a trade.
Mora . . . . maybe if Tejada goes his focus and leadership will return, but will his performance?
Perlozzo only remains here as manager if some of these personalities leave, especially if this team is to get where we were in 1996 and '97!
Posted by: Ray in PA | May 28, 2007 1:17 PM
We obviously didn't hear the questions coming at Johnson from Kilgore, the Post reporter. Still, not a great audition by Johnson.
Posted by: Dimitrios in NYC | May 28, 2007 1:41 PM
Ray in PA. I agree for the most part, the players are the problem, for the O's disappointing season so far.
I don't think it's fair to point fingers are just 3 players, most of the roster is responsible in some way. No one is really having an outstanding season so far; the only everyday player that is close to his normal numbers is Roberts and even he started out slow.
Look at teams like Cleveland/Detroit-they each have numerous guys with better numbers than our best. Is Giriardi and Johnson all of a sudden going to elevate everyones games?
Let's face it-the Orioles are a mediocre bunch right now. If we must single out the worst of the bunch then forget Gibbons-everyone knows Baez is by far the worst. We can start by giving him his walking papers but the O's won't-there's 19 mill reasons why!
Gibbons stays for the same reason.Your idea of trading him sounds good, but who wants a one-dimensional player who seems to have lost his stroke? I don't care if the O's pay most of his salary, no team will use him when they have better options of their own. It can't be too hard to find a .230 hitter!
Posted by: TerryP | May 28, 2007 2:48 PM
I am right on board with "Ray in PA".
We can talk all we want about speculation on who said what about Davey Johnson in what darkened corner of the Orioles "front office" (and I'm sure we all will --that includes the staff at The Sun).
But, as is the case with the Yankees, the winning is in the PLAYERS. A good manager can make sure everything is in place, keep the players as motivated as he can, and make the right in-game decisions. But how many of Perlozzo's so-called poor decisions would have been moot if the O's hadn't struggled through the month of May with only Brian Roberts contributing offensively on a consistent basis? This team has had so much trouble getting leads, and scoring runs, that far too much pressure has been put on the starters and relievers to get it done. That just leaves one real (temporarily?) rotten apple, Danys Baez in this case, to turn a 3 - 2 lead into a 4 - 3 nailbiter, or a 7 - 4 embarrassment. And then...
All fingers point to poor ol' Sammy. Not right. We see what teams around the league can do, and are doing, when the offense works well at all spots in the order, as a team. And they don't all need HR's to achieve this. The Twins of last year, who went 74 - 33 after a dreadful start, didn't depend on the long ball. Neither has Oakland the last, what 7 years -- though the A's breed great pitchers like those human warehouses in "The Matrix".
Point is, without a line-up that generates SOME kind of heat, not just a warm simmer, this team will continue to suffer, and all it will take is one faulty set-up guy, one hanging curveball, one baserunning gaffe to make the whole house of cards come falling down.
It's all down to the players, especially the big-$$ ones "Ray in PA" mentioned, two of whom have made their discontent known way too many times this years for veterans who should know by now that offensive stats speak far louder than words to an O's beat reporter after a game.
Good night and good luck
Posted by: Tom Morris | May 28, 2007 2:54 PM
"Mother's Day Miracle" they call it. No need for pirated DVDs of That Game, there's a 1/2 hour special NESN has played it seems, a million times.
Posted by: Northern Oriole | May 28, 2007 2:55 PM
you tejada bashers have your heads up your butts.
seriously. do you know a thing about baseball? look at his numbers!
Posted by: the wayward O | May 28, 2007 3:37 PM
Rick Dempsey was asked by Joe Angel this weekend on radio, "If you could change one thing on this team, what would it be?" Dempsey said we need a #4, power guy in the lineup. Gary Thorne said the same thing on yesterdays game telecast. I'm certain at least Dempsey knows that isn't the first thing he'd change. He can't say it on air but . . . .
ATTITUDE! Thay's why I pointed out the three guys in my earlier post. They are three guys, because of seniority, who establish the attitude in the clubhouse. It's pretty easy to point the finger at those three guys because their negative approach is obvious. It's that losing attitude and approach that permeates this organization. You can't blame Brian Roberts, Markakis, Payton, Hernandez, Gomez, and the pitching staff for having a negative attitude.
New blood is required in the leadership roles of this team. Funny, yesterday their was an Oriole's ad on TV that said "Come to the yard to see Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis". At least somebody in the front office is getting it!
Posted by: Ray in PA | May 28, 2007 3:41 PM
Seriously, Wayward O - for twelve and one-half million and the so called leader of the team, Tejada's numbers suck. Yes, he's hit three homers in the last four days, which gives him a grand total of 11 extra base hits. Check out his slugging % ? ? ?
Besides numbers don't say it all. Try running to first base like Jeremy Guthrie on a groundout. Try not to forget how many outs are left in the inning. Try being the vocal leader he was when he first came here!
At least while are heads are up our butts, we can still see the game.
Posted by: Ray in PA | May 28, 2007 3:47 PM
Guys I'm mixed on Tejada. I could see him go in a deal, or I can see him staying.
I think we need a center field upgrade and we need to find a way to play with an edge - perhaps this comes from a manager, or from leadership within. Which is why I'm mixed on Tejada. Perhaps he could be replaced by a go who has a lower batting average but is a better fit for what we need as a team. We really need leadership and someone who doesn't take the little things lightly. We are losing on little things and teams like Cleveland, LAA, Det, are winning on little things.
On the managing tip, let's face it, Perlozzo has failed to recognize our weaknesses and strengths - He doesn't have his finger on the pulse - It took him 50 games to realize that Walker is better than Baez? Wasn't that obvious 30 games ago?
I do like his running and his willingness to switch the lineup.
I hate the fact that the players don't have his back.
I don't know about you guys but I may have a few cocktails before the first pitch.
By the way, I think the Cubs and Giants are even worse than our boys at holding leads.
Posted by: o's fan in san fran | May 28, 2007 4:41 PM
...I've read a lot of posts and it appears more would rather stick with Sammy than dump him for Davey. I still think we should give Sammy the rest of the season. If you decide we need to change, do it in the offseason where a larger pool of managers would be avaiable for consideration. Whoever said -Davey can take an already good team farther than Sammy is right-on but I don't think we're quite that close yet.
Posted by: Boomer | May 28, 2007 4:51 PM
Fire, Shmire...It's Memorial Day, and as I remember, most baseball experts said that the O's would be a .500 team, and THAT would be an improvement. So we're 4 games under at the one-third mark. Despite the awful record in one-run games, the over-worked/over-paid bullpen, and the fact that our offense has recently been going to the plate with toothpicks in their hands, things really aren't so bad. And I'm just as guilty as the next guy for blogging in with bullets in the gun after the Mother's day game, the Yankee grand-slam-meltdown, the recent Jays sweep, etc...
There's lots of things that need fixing, but it's not Sammy's fault. The dye was cast when the FO made their moves in the off-season. Wright came with a wishbone attached to his arm. Huff's numbers have been in steady decline. Baez was an expensive gamble which, right now, is looking terrible. But, hey...it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. Maybe things won't get better, maybe they will. If there's a bright spot, it's that our starters are finally looking like a real staff. If they can continue to give quality starts, then that might take the pressure off the pen AND the offense.
Call me highly optimistic, but right now I'm sitting on my hands and waiting for the next report card...
Posted by: swami | May 28, 2007 5:29 PM
look carefully, since you're too busy complaining to see the truth. in three full years as an oriolen, not counting 07 so far, this is what tejada has done:
---- 84 HR
---- 127 Doubles
---- 348 RBIs (!!!)
---- .320 BA roughtly
three hundred forty eight freaking ribbies.
i haven't looked at every player ... but i don't think you can find another player IN HISTORY OF BALTIMORE ORIOLES who has produced more over a 3-year stretch.
eddie murray comes close in early 1980s, ken singleton comes close in late 70s but each falls short in one category or another.
so, for the last time, stfu about tejada. i don't want to hear it. he has every right to call out our front office palookas.
Posted by: the wayward O | May 28, 2007 5:39 PM
Saw Delmarva play last night in Hagerstown. Billy Rowell certainly has a nice stroke as does Brandon Snyder. The two guys I was most interested in seeing,Tripp and Vinyard, struggled at the plate. All big kids though.
Rowell definately looked a little rusty at 3rd base. As has been suggested, he may outgrow the position.
Was most impressed with Bergeson the pitcher. Threw in the low 90's with a tight breaking ball. Seemed to have a "bulldog" type attitude.
Posted by: Ray in PA | May 28, 2007 5:41 PM
Nice post Swami.....I agree, it's too early to pull the plug on Sammy. Who know's, maybe he'll be here for the next 10 years and win a couple of World Series. It seems far fetched right now, but who knows. I'd like to see us win a few series and get mojo going in the right direction. This was a good start against Oakland. 2 out of 3 against KC will be good too. I'd like to see a 7-3 or 8-2 road trip. I know that's asking alot, but that's what I'd like to see.
Posted by: Gregg | May 28, 2007 5:44 PM
swami has a point in his commment, maybe we lay off on Sam and see how the team fares, after all, the Royals are next...
Posted by: Rob in the Redneck Riviera | May 28, 2007 5:44 PM
Roch and the bloggers:
Hope you all had a good Mem Day weekend, I'm just glad all these Auburn and UGA fans (rednecks) are getting the heck outa here. Sheesh, I miss being back in Baltimore, except for the traffic.
Posted by: Rob in the Redneck Riviera | May 28, 2007 5:49 PM
Amen. Gregg. Perhaps the bats have come around and the starting pitching does well. Any way they send Baez somewhere else besides Kansas City?
Posted by: Rob in the Redneck Riviera | May 28, 2007 5:54 PM
Hey, ain't it great that Hopkins beat Puke for the NCAA lacrosse national championship!
Woo Hoo!
Posted by: Rob in the Redneck Riviera | May 28, 2007 6:00 PM
Okay, Wayward O, I give up. You obviously are a fantasy league baseball guy, because all you want to talk about are numbers.
You conveniently ommitted this season's. numbers. That's what we're talking about, Sherlock. This year. I was thrilled when we signed Tejada, even more so when he had 152 RBI the first year, but all that has changed. He is no longer a positive, vocal leader. His numbers have dropped dramatically since last summer. Something about the dissappearance of a black briefcase???
Singleton, Murray, F. Robby, and others didn't have one of those. Oh, and one more thing they have something else that Tejada doesn't have. They were all leaders on CHAMPIONSHIP ORIOLES TEAMS!
Posted by: Ray in PA | May 28, 2007 6:06 PM
Everyone always wants to get rid of the teams best player. It kills me.
If I trusted the FO to do anything right, maybe it's be a go. But damn, those guys just are not any good. And Tejada is still a good player.
The best thing this team could do is find a bona fide hitter for the 4 spot. It would move some folks down, and better yet, a few guys out. For good.
Posted by: jim66 | May 28, 2007 6:48 PM
hey ... somebody who hates tejada answer me the following question:
when did he ever claim to be a team leader?
i'm not talking about sun reporters giving him that mantle. i'm talking about tejada saying "i'm the leader of this team" or something to that effect.
Posted by: the wayward O | May 28, 2007 6:59 PM
Hey Haywire O
http://www.canoe.ca/CPSportsTicker/CANOE-wire.BBL-Orioles-Tejada.html
1/18/07
"I am not going to order them to make a contract with anybody, but I am the leader of the team and if I have to say something I am going to do so. I don't want to make anyone feel bad, but we all want to win and that is what we are going to try to do," he said.
Posted by: JR | May 28, 2007 7:11 PM
to the wayward O.....do me a favor and compare miggy's last 3 years of stats with Oak before he came to Balt. and his first 3 years with the Os. further yet, expand his stats over the last 162 games over the next 3 years, and compare it to E. Murray who was not on steriods. You are not comparing apples to apples, but Steriods to honest, hard-working orioles! take that and shove it up your no team leader's steriod bat. the only thing you mentioned that was truthful is that Miggy is no team leader! that being said...go Os tonight!
Posted by: mj | May 28, 2007 7:17 PM
Davy Johnson should get a walker and learn to play bingo, take that hat off and get a little sun. Next we'll get Jon Miller back when he's 83. Ricky D will be the new club house attendant after the old guy has to leave in a straight jacket, at 103. Palmer will still have no grey hairs at 70. Good jeans.
Posted by: herbie | May 28, 2007 7:26 PM
It never makes sense to trade your best player. It also doesn't make sense to protect your best player in the line up with Huff and Gibbons. The front office had this idea that Huff would come in and hit 35 homeruns and that would somehow spark Tejada to hit 40? This is some crazy logic. Granted the O's would be over .500 if they had Benson, Wright, Loewen, and Penn healthy, but we have had an offense in slump for the past 9 seasons. No one can dispute that, so first lets get rid of Crowley. How the O's can still keep him year after year is absurd.
Posted by: chris | May 28, 2007 7:33 PM
did Mr Huff decide to start hitting?
Posted by: jim66 | May 28, 2007 8:03 PM
I am not a Tejada hater Wayward but..I have a hard time not picking up gauntlets thrown my way...
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles19jan19,0,3876089.story?coll=bal-sports-headlines
"I don't think anymore about those things that they have to do to sign players," Tejada said. "I am equal to the others, and I am going to do my job on the field."
"I am not going to order them to make a contract with anybody, but I am the leader of the team and if I have to say something, I am going to do so. I don't want to make anyone feel bad, but we all want to win and that is what we are going to try to do."
Good enough?
Posted by: Jeff V. | May 28, 2007 8:04 PM
The HR's are coming! Wow, a GS by Hernandez. This is really starting to get interesting. Let's hope the bats stay hot.
6-0 in the bottom of the 4th at KC.
Posted by: Gregg | May 28, 2007 8:15 PM
well...terry crowley might keep a job at this rate!
Posted by: caprimode | May 28, 2007 8:48 PM
I don't know who watching the game but Trachsel is throwing a gem. 49 pitches through 6 innings. How about trading him while his market value is at its ceilling. I mean there are a lot of teams that could use him, so we should get something for him while we can.
And Roberts on the other side, saw 20 pitches his first 3 at bats stole a base and scored. One of the best lead off men in baseball, period
Posted by: jim70 | May 28, 2007 8:49 PM
Wayward O: I recall that Tejada announced to the media, "This is no longer a losing team!" or something to that effect at the press conference when he was introduced as an Oriole.
I think he was claiming leadership.
Posted by: Hooves | May 28, 2007 8:54 PM
The teams best player is Bedard, I think we should trade Tejada, we need good youth. So we trade tejada, trachsel, williams, mora, for players who will help us be a contender 2 or 3 years down the road. Or we can do what we always do and keep them till they are free agents and get nothing. Ex. palmiero, alomar, b.j ryan
Posted by: jim70 | May 28, 2007 8:58 PM
Way to go O's! Great effort by Trax. Great start on the road trip - can see 6-7 wins the way the lineup is banging the ball. With O's SP delivering quality starts each night, O's can rip off win streaks if BP holds their own. Lineup is good enough to put up runs - and Huff, Hernandez, and Nick the Stick haven't hit their stride yet. SP is delivering, BP needs to step up, just the way Guthrie and Burres have. O's can compete. One wish - score some runs for E. Bedard.
Posted by: John in Conn | May 28, 2007 9:54 PM
Jim 66 i completely agree with you 100 percent. Ive only been saying that we dont have a legit cleanup hitter for 2 years now. I also agree with Wayward O's point about Tejada being a leader. And i also feel that the numbers are absolutely the most important thing because they never lie- stats in sports are what we should base 90 percent of our view points on, unless of course were talking about a player who is an absolute clubhouse cancer, or has an attitude problem, mental/pyschological/ health issues, or legal trouble- which Tejada is none of these things, but what he is is our best player, and on a team that has not hit well or lacks much real offensive threat right now, we can not trade the best hitter when we dont even have a real cleanup hitter or any replacement in our lineup to put up those numbers. i think the last week has shown that Tejada will and can still put up the power numbers and i agree with him that those numbers will be where they should by seasons end. and someone please tell me- just where and how will we or can we get any shortstop even close to his potential in the lineup- the answer- we cant and wont because there are very few shortstops who will hit .300 with 20 homeruns and 90 Rbi and those who may do that will never be traded from there current team. so let it go!
Posted by: thegr8estofalltyme | May 28, 2007 10:16 PM
Perlozzo is a horrible manager and does not even expect the team to win. Orioles need Johnson to keep up in the east.
Posted by: Max | May 28, 2007 10:38 PM
If the Orioles get Teixara this offseason, this team can win at least 10 more games a season. Lets hope Angelos is serious about getting him. Teixara is his favorite player and he's talked about getting him.
Posted by: Scoozzi Lou | May 29, 2007 12:41 AM
Jay Gibbons is and always has been a terrible player, and I wonder why now, all of a sudden, people are starting to realize this. He should've been sent packing long ago.
Posted by: Colin | May 29, 2007 12:52 AM
Thegr8estofalltyme, what are your thoughts on the legitimacy of the win-loss record? Take a look at Trachsel for instance; he's pitched better than his 4-3 record indicates.
Posted by: Rachel in Illinois | May 29, 2007 1:26 AM
I agree , it'sThe Players ,,,The manager can only lose you about 10 games a year , ( Sams up to about 6 already ) . The players just have to find a way to win those games when Sam pulls a pitcher who is getting outs .
Dan
Posted by: dan | May 29, 2007 5:41 AM
Wake me up when the O's start beating the TOP teams in the league. When that happens, an over .500 record is certain and 1st or 2nd place is viabale. Yeah, I know, it's the little steps first........them damn same little steps for the last 9 years!
Posted by: BobbyWoontz | May 29, 2007 6:57 AM
Kudos to Wayward O for stirrring up some some heated Miggy discussion. But too bad you're the one with your head up your butt. The numbers you quote are indeed terrific, and that's what we'd like to expect from Miggy going forward. Unfortunately, to date he's turned into a .300 singles hitter who doesn't drive in the big runs, jogs languidly to first base, has been consistrently throwing balls in the dirt to first all season as well as making a few other bonehead plays on defense every now and then. If this is how our "best" player plays the game, I wouldn't be sorry to see him go. If he gets hot and starts driving the ball more, then great that increases his trade value, and if the FO finds a deal they can't refeuse then they should pull the trigger and let him go. But not to worry Wayward O, you can still pick him for your fantasy team any time you want.
Posted by: Joe_T | May 29, 2007 8:07 AM
I'm happy that the bats have finally woken up, but I am starting to get a little frustratred watching Patterson trying to constantly drive the ball. Besides Bynum, he is the fastest guy on the team. He should be hitting the ball on the ground and bunting, and using his speed to get on base. He wouldn't be batting in the .220's if he would give that a try. Perlozzo should take a page out of Major League and have him do push-ups for every fly ball out.
I also think Freddie Bynum should get more playing time. Every time he comes in, something good usually happens. I don't know why everyone on this blog is always knocking on him. If he gets a chance to play every once in a while, I think he can show us something. He has speed, he hustles and he can play just about anywhere. I wouldn't mind seeing him start over C-Pat for a couple of games.
I really think the O's need to sweep this series, since Anaheim is up next. I'm not saying the O's can't beat the Angels, but they are no slouch by any means. If the bats keep going the way the are, the Orioles should be back at .500 before we know it.
Posted by: Tom from Severn | May 29, 2007 9:11 AM
Just as a counterpoint to Tejada’s numbers--from 1996 to 1998, Rafael Palmeiro had 373 RBI. He may or may not have been juiced then. Say what you will about Palmeiro and his reputation now, it’s hard to argue with the numbers he put up during his first five years with the O's—the club gave him a fat contract before the 1994 season and he put up solid numbers the entire contract.
I think one crucial difference between Palmeiro and Tejada is that Palmeiro played on Orioles teams that were mostly competitive and teams that had Cal Ripken, and Tejada has played on losing teams and there has been no Cal Ripken. When a team is winning, as the Orioles of 1994, 1996, and 1997 did, the issues of someone stepping up to be a leader are mostly nonexistent. And Cal Ripken was the focal point of everything Orioles back then. Some here have indicated that Palmeiro was a selfish player when he was here, which I don’t doubt. But this wasn’t an issue then, mostly because the teams were generally winners (and there were other accomplished players) and everyone was following Cal Ripken. Now, Tejada is the focal point of this club because he’s the highest paid player and the most accomplished player, and the heat will be on such a player if the team is not playing well.
As for the prospect of Davey Johnson managing this club, I’d have to say I’m against it. While he’s had some success here and around the league, he hasn’t managed a major league team in 7 years and he’s a bit of a dinosaur (admittedly, you could probably the same about Jim Leyland before he signed on with Detroit). If the O’s had a veteran club that was a contender, I’d say go for it. I think if they’re going to go a new direction, they should find someone who’s had recent success and is relatively young.
Trachsel’s complete game last night was a gem. A complete game and no strikeouts. You got to love that. And scoring 8 or more again for the third straight game is great as well. If you can combine those things—great pitching, great hitting—you’ll obviously win a lot of games.
Posted by: CRB | May 29, 2007 9:41 AM
Great news from Sammy P, Baez will be used in the 8th if needed! Because those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. Let's hope that Baez has at least learned a little, because Sammy sure hasn't.
Posted by: Almost Former | May 29, 2007 9:42 AM
Max,
No manager in the world is able to make hitters who aren't hitting hit. If Perlozzo was fired it would be the third different manager in 5 years...is that any way to build consistency?
Posted by: Tom S | May 29, 2007 9:56 AM
If Davey Johnson doesn't like you, Roch, that's even more reason to want him as the O's manager.
You're more qualified to do stand-up comedy than write about sports.
Posted by: rick | May 29, 2007 10:30 AM
Jeez Louise! Go away for a weekend and see the O's heat up, bash the vaunted (at least according to sooooooo many fellow bloggers) A's and then pummel poor 'ol KC and I come back to discover things are worse than before I left!
Reading these posts from this weekend you would have thought the O's are back in a 6 game losing streak.
Didn't we outscore Oakland and KC 25 - 8 over the last 3 games? Didn't we have 5 HR in those 3 games, including 2 by the hated Miguel Tejada?
Maybe it was all a vacation dream?
No?
I, again, have to take issue with the drivel being written about Tejada by our resident pesudo-experts. I find a lot of this the same old prattel and so much of it just wrong to the point of being offensive.
For example, someone wrote that one other blogger was an idiot because this other blogger was talking about Tejada's historical numbers and not his current numbers. In fact, this person wrote (and I am paraphrasing), if you project Tejada's numbers over a 162 game season you see how truly bad he is now. "You are obviously a fantasy baseball player" our expert wrote.
The sad thing is, the "other blogger," the idiot in this exchange, was the only one with a clue!
To demonstrate, let's project ARod's April over 162 games - 98/99 HR and 239 RBI!!! Shut the season down and declare him MVP! Barry who? Sorry Mr. Bond's, your phony record seems so insignificant now.
Except what happened to AROD in May? He has played 3 more games so far this month with 9 less HR and 24 less RBI than in April. So much for 98 HR. So much for 239 RBI. Maybe ARod is washed up? Time to unload him?
Veteran ballplayers have performance standards for a reason - because they have achieved those standards consistently. Not for 1 month. Not for the duration of some SABER-metric trend stat, but for consecutive seasons.
If you want to discuss performance expectations about a veteran (absent a significant performance decline - like a sub-.100 batting average) you have to focus on the historical numbers and not be fooled into thinking the immediate performance is the definition of the player.
EVEN IN HIS BEST YEARS, Tejada has been right around his typical season averages - 27 HR, 108 RBI, 36 2H with low walk AND strikeout numbers. There is no reason to assume he will not finish out 2007 around the same place.
(In fact, to the "genius" who claims Tejada's performance in steroid enhanced, where is the evidence? He had one season where he learned major league pitching and then has matched the same numbers almost season for season. Where is the HR spike? Where is the sudden surge in extra base hits? And more telling - a player on steroids has an associated history of "nagging" injuries to his back, legs and joints - see Bond's, Giambi, Sheffield, Sosa, etc. A player on steroids does not play in 1,129 consecutive games. This is so tired. )
Taking ANY veteran's numbers TODAY and projecting the trend out over 162 games as a definitive measurement is great math but meaningless to baseball.
Posted by: TOM D | May 29, 2007 10:38 AM
Here is an inside for all you dreaming about Davey Johnson coming in on a white horse to rescue the Orioles, he ain't coming back. My old roommate is a caddy at Davey Johnson's Country Club in Winter Park FL. He plays with Davey a bunch, and has gotten to know him pretty well. While the Orioles will always remain his home team, he will never work for the team as long as Angelos is the Owner. He has said that to my buddy repeatedly. Beides, Sammy has worked as a coach on Davey's staff for two different organizations.
Posted by: President of the "Moose" Milligan Fan Club | May 29, 2007 10:54 AM
CRB - good points!
I agree, I do not think Palmeiro was juiced from '94 - '98. I do not think he started using steroids until he started to realize the prospect of 3,000 hits was fading fast (this was after his famous finger wagging testimony, too) early in the 2005 season.
Remember how Johnny Oates was fired after '94 because he could ONLY win at a .540 clip? Oh the good 'ol days!
Posted by: TOM D | May 29, 2007 10:55 AM
I really don't understand why so many people are on Tejada, especially RIGHT NOW.
I completely agree that in the past he has had a bad attitude, has been less vocal and for a team leader, has been less than great.
BUT. I agree with Wayword Os when you look at his stats, and more than that because I don't think stats are the only thing...you have to watch his stroke night in and night out to get a sense of what he's doing.
Remember the All-Star game that Tejada won the HR Derby and then proceeded to rip the first John Smoltz fastball he saw deep to left in the game?
Well from that point until about right now, Tejada stopped going to left field, he started slapping singles to right for some reason and although he was hitting still, he looked slow and behind. Couple that with his slugging fielding at times and you get the impression he's lost a step.
Well, look at him the past few games. EVERYTHING is going to left field with pop in his bat. He just needed to correct something, and now he looks like old Miggy. And if he starts hitting some HRs, his happy attitude will return. His fielding might even get better as well.
Then, him, Mora and Roberts start getting happy, doing their crazy celebratory handshake and they all start hitting again.
And the pitching has been more than good enough where if he got some runs we'd be winning some ballgames.
I'm tired of the negativity. I understand they make you want to rip your eyes out sometimes, but RIGHT NOW, they look good, so celebrate the runs, don't dump on Tejada...
At least not until he starts hitting dinkers to right again...
Posted by: Jeff L. | May 29, 2007 10:55 AM
Hey Rocco, thanks for the story, funny stuff. I bet you are hoping Davey doesn't come back huh? :-)
I still can't see potter & little nickie bringing him back, it would be way too much crow to eat & there aren't enough martini's in Canton to wash it down.
Posted by: Brian | May 29, 2007 11:16 AM
I was sitting on a boat most of the last 3 days over on the ES & missed the Mora/Perlozzo dust up. I barely saw the scores. I agree with you Rocco, when does a Mgr have to tell a player what he is thinking about with the lineup. It's nice he bothers at all & they should just suck it up & play! Or sit.... isn't this the 2nd time Mora & Perlozzo have had this happen? Did Mora give Perlozzo 24 hr notice that he wanted a day off back in April when he wanted to dodge a tough starter? I doubt it.
I am mora bothered that he had the guy on the bench & let a slumping Gibbons hit that night against a lefty in the 9th.
Posted by: Brian | May 29, 2007 11:27 AM
Not to get too far off the discussion here, but if any of you live in PA, Jim Palmer is going to be in Reading on June 6th for a 30 minute autograph session before the R-Phils game against Harrisburg.
http://www.readingphillies.com/news_palmer.htm
If you haven't been to a R-Phils game, it is a nice environment even here in Reading.
Posted by: Scott in Reading | May 29, 2007 11:32 AM
Tom S: I believe we have had plenty of consistency. It's just too bad that it happens to be consistent losing.
Posted by: Hooves | May 29, 2007 12:08 PM
I read an interesting post under that 'talk about it section' where a poster is defending
keeping Mora and is opposed to a youth movement which does not have a plan. That is quite a statement considering the Orioles management hasn't had a plan for years and are noW forced to sign free agents who are willing to play here not the one's they really want. I formerly was a mora supporter but his attitude seems to have disintegrated for some reason.
Posted by: vance lee | May 30, 2007 8:47 AM