Flacco impresses
OK, everyone needs to keep this in perspective. I know Baltimore fans want a quarterback they can call their own, and after watching rookie Joe Flacco throw for the first time Wednesday, he was impressive. In all honesty, I haven't seen a Ravens quarterback throw with such force and velocity since Vinny T.
Flacco looked rusty, which is to be expected, but he showed a quick release and made some really strong throws. He needs to develop touch, which will come as he becomes more familiar with the offense. But there were a lot of coaches smiling Wednesday after practice.
Second-year quarterback Troy Smith and Kyle Boller also performed well. Smith has made good progress from a year ago. He is still inaccurate at times, but he has other intangibles. He has a presence with the veteran players and a grasp of the offense. Boller performed just as well, so it should be an interesting battle going into training camp. If the competition is close, I'd start Smith because he has a greater upside than Boller, who has only a year remaining on his contract.
I can't see the Ravens starting Flacco unless Boller and Smith get hurt. The Ravens learned their lesson by forcing Boller to play as a rookie. Plus, the Ravens are in need of offensive tackles. This is going to be another tough year for the offense, but maybe the Ravens have found a quarterback to build their offense around in Flacco.







Comments
The q-backs will be running for their lives with this line , we better pick up an experienced tackle real soon............
Posted by: Jim from Dundalk | June 5, 2008 9:48 AM
Preston, you're kidding me right? We need offensive tackles? What O-line have YOU been watching. The O-line will be just fine this year. I think you'll be eating your words on that onebefore the year is out.
Posted by: Bruce | June 5, 2008 10:02 AM
I think you have to start the veteran an just to try to win as many games as you can. No sense in starting a rookie when in a year or so you will start another.I don't think smith can excell against the teams we play this year not saying boller can if he can't then we move forward with flacco, witch is where all this is going anyway,
Posted by: Curtis mccoin | June 5, 2008 10:45 AM
I thought Boller had a tremendous arm just no accuracy, football IQ or ability to understand the game of football. He was playing checkers on a chess board but his arm was never in question.
Posted by: Scott E Raven | June 5, 2008 10:56 AM
Flacco will be an adequate QB, you just wait and see. I just rhymed.
Anyway, IF Flacco doesn't perform, he could very well become Joe Flaccid. Heee
Posted by: Geoff with a G | June 5, 2008 11:29 AM
If it is true that our O-line is going to be rough this year, i believe that smith needs to be put in there. He has more movement and has better pocket presents. I rather see a qb that pops out of the collapsing pocket and doesnt decide to play soccer with the football like boller likes to do. Smith is more confident then boller especially when it comes to rolling out.. Another reason to start smith is maybe give him some time to grow and he could be a great back up to flacco, bc you know boller is gone after this year!!!
Posted by: Frank | June 5, 2008 11:35 AM
Boller is finished as a starter. As excited as everyone is about Troy Smith, he will not have a long career as a starting QB. As with other hybrid running quarter backs that have been in the league, if you do not develop pocket presence and continue to depend on the ability to scramble and make plays with your feet, one day you will find yourself running slower, and riding the pine until retirement.
Play Smith for 4 or 5 games, hope that the record is 2-2 or 3-2. Allow the O-line these games to get their footing as a unit, and insert Flacco. The Ravens should consider Bruce Gradkowski (just placed on waivers by TB) and see if anyone will bite on Boller as a trade for a backup, or just release him.
The players comment conservatively but favorably about Flacco, this reserved excitement seems to be a sign of respect towards Troy Smith, but if Flacco keeps developing as this rate, and gains the touch referred to in your article, in 2 years we will all be saying "Troy Smith who?"
Posted by: Thom H. | June 5, 2008 11:45 AM
i'm kind of tired of hearing how we "learned our lesson" by starting Boller too early. That should only be said when good quarterbacks start poorly.
Did Pittsburgh learn their lesson with Roethlisburger?
There was no lesson to be learned, unless you mean simply that we learned we had a subpar quarterback.
By no means do I think we should start Flacco right off the bat, I'm a fan of Troy Smith having his chance.
Just tired of the lesson we're supposed to have learned from starting Boller too early. It means nothing that we started him too soon. He's just bad.
Posted by: kevin | June 5, 2008 12:07 PM
I agree with the OL being better than people think. It's the lack of a pro bowl QB and game breaking WR's that make this a mediocre at best offense.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 12:12 PM
the line will be fine
why not start smith, especially if he has command of the veterans
something boller never did...but hey he can throw 60-yards from his knees
Posted by: g dubbs | June 5, 2008 12:46 PM
the line will be fine
why not start smith, especially if he has command of the veterans
something boller never did...but hey he can throw 60-yards from his knees
Posted by: g dubbs | June 5, 2008 12:46 PM
What's up with you goons?
Boller is the man!!!!
Kyle is gonna win this deal outright with that cannon for an arm he has. The problem was the system, not mine.... I mean his.
Posted by: Kyle E Boller | June 5, 2008 1:16 PM
It will be interesting to see what Gaither can do at left tackle. He has all the physical tools to be successful. Right tackle is a concern. Adam Terry is not the solution. He's too light in the pants and constantly gets pushed around.
Posted by: joe k | June 5, 2008 1:22 PM
I don't think the line will be as bad as everyone predicts. It will hold its own against all but the most elite defensive fronts. I also think that none of the current QBs wil make the Ravens pay as dearly for a missed blocking assignment as McNair did last year.
Smith is probably the best option, since he can move in the pocket, makes quick decisions, and can run a good short passing game. Boller (and apparently Flacco) would benefit from a deep threat passing game that the Ravens don't have and haven't had in years.
Posted by: Mongo | June 5, 2008 1:31 PM
with the ravens having an O line shuffle that it will be better also the Offense is rebuilding + the issue the ravens should have gotten is 2 reciver in the second or third round ( manning ham + Jackson and try to get ray rice) so this guy has some young recivers to work with and the O line will be better.
but if the ravens got hester in the second round + when they went 13-3 they would probly gone 16-0 and have a great return man but what else harballugh will have to re fix the team thanks to the team. and also they should try to trade to get Randy moss and wes welker to make this team better and now the d is better and look for an ol in this team is better
Posted by: Reid | June 5, 2008 1:53 PM
Boller suffered mostly from a difficulty to adapt to game speed. This may or may not be an inherent deficiency. With Cam's philosophy to practice at game speed, it will be interesting to see how Kyle progresses. I would not count him out really show up and start and even finish the year at QB. Troy Smith's attitude may indicate the necessary confidence, ...or an unfortunate degree of naivete.
Posted by: pete | June 5, 2008 1:53 PM
I think the only question on the O-Line is RT. We have a solid line this year. I'm excited to see what Captain Flacco can do. I agree Troy Smith should get the start this year. Lets let Flacco learn the speed of the game.
Posted by: Steve Sievers | June 5, 2008 2:05 PM
No, he is right. The O-Line was like paper last year. It will be better this year, but definitely not that great. I expect the QB's to run for their life again. If so, put in Smith, b/c he has great and quick decision making skills. Boller starts tippy-toeing and throws interceptions or fumbles!!
Great article.
Posted by: Steve from Tampa | June 5, 2008 2:47 PM
After hearing a guy like Cam Cameron talk, I have no problem in believing that this offense can be great. In practice, he runs cartain plays that the players have had success with in college. Little things like this can extremely boost the confidesnce of a young player, such as Joe Flacco, thus making the transition into the NFL much easier. Sit him on the bench for a few years like the Chargers did with Rivers, the Falcons did with Schuab and The Bengals with Palmer. The problem with Boller was that he depended too much on his arm in college, wasn't as fundamentally sound and lacked the touch and accuracy he needed to succeed. So when Billick named him the starter, he had no idea what to do, shattering his confidence and sealing his fate as a back-up QB. Flacco is a lot like Boller with that cannon arm upside. Only this time, the Ravens are not planning on "throwing him in the fire". Instead, they will let him evolve and mature at his own pace. For this season, I say you have to start Troy Smith. He has the respect of the locker room, something Boller has failed to get. If you look him over, like you did with Derek Anderson, it will be twice you had a Franchise QB on your roster and let him slide. You know what Boller can do, maybe Troy Smith has the ability to manage the game and give us a win, which is all we need with the Defense we have. Smith has shown poise and ability, let him carry the reins until Flacco is ready. Who knows, we might end up with a situation here in Baltimore similar to the one in Cleveland. I dont remember anyone calling Derek Anderson a franchise QB. Dont let Smith be another Anderson, and dont let Flacco start prematurely and watch him become another Boller.
Posted by: A.J. | June 5, 2008 3:23 PM
I think, by far, the best young talent on this team is on the offensive line. The team has invested heavily there over the last few years and although young, I think they are very talented. This should be the best O line the Ravens have ever had, except at left tackle. It just may take a few games for them to come together.
Posted by: Kevin from Elkridge | June 5, 2008 3:40 PM
We don't need a QB to be Peyton Manning! Our offense have enough tools to be effective. All we need is for Troy not to turn the ball over and let Heap, McGahee, Clayton, Mason and Williams do the rest. Hell, Tom Brady won 3 Superbowls by making short passes that go for long gains! Ravens will have a good year!
Posted by: RAVENOUS30 | June 5, 2008 4:07 PM
It's time for us to form "The Flacco Flocko".
Posted by: brian f | June 5, 2008 4:14 PM
Training camp will be very interesting to say the least.
Posted by: Bobby | June 5, 2008 4:24 PM
Two musings Mike...
1) Is Chester not progressing as well as expected? He was a surprise 2nd rounder 2006, taken over, for one, Maurice Jones-Drew.
2) Is there any possibility that we get any other outcome to the pending Ogden announcement besides retirement? Seems to me, the only reason for the delay is that he wants to play. Any shot of the PUP list till mid-season for him? What are the cap implications of his retirement?
Posted by: Alex | June 5, 2008 4:33 PM
mike preston - wacco for flacco!
Posted by: rory | June 5, 2008 5:26 PM
start troy smith.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 5, 2008 6:24 PM
I just can't handle another year of Boller starting. He has made slight improvements since entering the league. He's pretty much topped out at this point. (And please spare me the "if we had an offensive line protecting him" argument. The line was almost the same from '05 (Boller starting) to '06 (McNair starting), but somehow McNair managed to play decent and Boller didn't)
I think the veterans also can't handle Boller starting, either. Remember Jason Brown's comment when Smith relieved Boller during the Dolphins game? Everyone knows the defense hates Boller starting.
If Harbaugh wants to start out with a good relationship with the players, he'll start anybody but Boller. Based on his limited play last year, Troy Smith deserves more playing time, so start Smith and then have Flacco come in after the bye (or start Flacco right away).
Decent QB play produced a 13-3 season in '06. I know Smith can play somewhere between Boller and McNair's abilities (I think closer toward McNair's than Boller's, although not on the same level as McNair's). Maybe this team can pull off a 9-7 year, assuming, of course, that injuries don't ravage the team.
Posted by: J | June 5, 2008 6:45 PM
Troy Smith makes the most sense to be the starter this year. WHY?? Because the offensive line is poor and he has the best legs. Improve the OL in the next 2 years and Flacco will be ready to start. Kyle is a good back-up to anyone and can win a game or two for you. We may be surprised what can be achieved with a scrambler in the pocket. It can reak havok on a defense.
Posted by: JB Lapree | June 5, 2008 7:33 PM
The only lesson learned from starting Kyle Boller as a rookie is that his selection was a mistake!
Posted by: The "Armchair" QB | June 5, 2008 10:08 PM
As a Buckeye fan, I followed Troy Smith throughout his college career. I think it's worth noting that during Troy's first two years as a starting QB, he relied heavily on his legs (339 and 611 yards rushing in '04 and '05, respectively) in order to be successful.
In his '06 Heisman season, he developed into a great pocket QB, scrambling only when necessary (204 yards rushing). It's entirely possible that Troy will use his feet until the NFL game slows down enough. At that point, he might be more comfortable in the pocket and he'll start to turn some heads.
Posted by: Nate | June 5, 2008 11:17 PM
HEY THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS
1ST DID THEY SCREW UP IN THE DRAFT ?
IN MY IDEAL IS YES BECAUSE YOU GOT A RB AND TO LATE ROUND WR WHEN YOU SHOULD GOTTEN A MANNINGHAM
2ND QUESTION DID YOU TRY TO START ADAM TERRY ? NO BECAUSE HIS PLAY IS BAD ON BOTH SIDES BOLLER FLACCO AND SMITH WILL FEEL MORE OF A pass rush because he dose not stop and block
3 do you try to trade giants redskins, and eagles for players ?
yes this teams needs a lot of off weapons te davis wr mairo and wr jackson
4 do you try to rebuild the de back up and maybe make your boxer safty as an olb s /lb to cover and win
5special teams were good with figures returning kicks and what about punts
with the new safty there are going to be a lot of problems
6 do you get picks for trading players to rebuild this entire team so that this team can win
7 how many more years until the play offs for this young team? well if they trade for picks and have an avarge of 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd rnd picks may be 5 years and to fix this line
do look at a line coach like rus grim to fix the ravens woes ? yes
do u ask ogden to come back and work with the ol
lmk what u think
Posted by: REID | June 5, 2008 11:33 PM
Why would this be "another tough year for the offense"? You've been babbling for YEARS that it was the head coach's fault. He's gone. Talent doesn't matter. Health doesn't matter. It's all about play-calling, right Mike?
Or could it just be that the target of your strange and blind obsession is gone, and now you have to make excuses just in case the offense doesn't score 100 more points this year? If it's been all about creativity and play-calling, then the new regime will fix it...
Posted by: Eric | June 6, 2008 12:01 AM
To all those saying the O-Line looked bad last year:
How do you explain Willis McGahee to rush for all the yards he did? ESPECIALLY in an offense led by Brian Billick.
Billick calls runs only when it is 2nd or 3rd down and we need 15 yards. It was ridiculous McGahee and the Line got as many yards on the ground as they did.
SECONDLY... the line looked just fine when Troy Smith was in the game! McNair just took too damn long to throw the ball, and I'll even concede the point that he was probably hurt since the very first game and never recovered but tried to play through it.
Boller doesn't and HAS NEVER understood the whole concept of what the pocket is for! He just keeps dropping back and completely ruins the protection! The line is supposed to protect a SPACE... they're not supposed to just guess where Boller is randomly going to run to for no good reason.
Like I said... the line looked just fine when Troy Smith was in there, and they looked just fine in the run game. Cam Cameran leading them and another offseason together is only going to help.
So keep hating on Troy, but the truth is he helped end the streak with his 2nd and 3rd receivers hurt and his 1st and 2nd tight ends also hurt. He also played the last two games without his start running back. And the defense had given up as well. He's succeeded in his limited action. He's clearly the choice over Boller, and I feel he's much better than Flacco for the simple reason that he succeeded in a much tougher college schedule than Flacco.
Posted by: Keep Hating | June 6, 2008 3:57 AM
I thik it is up in the air who should start this year, but that is good in inspiring all 3 to be their best. Each brings alot of positives and negatives to the table. Honestly, I rank all 3 pretty equally if you consider all aspects. By that I mean Boller has poitives Smith does not, Smith has positives Boller does not. Throw in Flacco, it will be an interesting training camp. However, I favor Flacco to the bench to just sit and learn unless pressed into duty out of necessity. One thing I would consider, unorthedox in the Pros, platooning Boller and Smith. They each bring something different to the table. Run the no huddle with Smith, set with Boller, mix it up, keep the defense off balance. Get Smith experience, Boller has some veteran presence. Both players do not come across as ego maniacs. If they buy into it, and the team does, it would make for an interesting combination that would put defenses on their heals.
Posted by: Scott G | June 6, 2008 7:47 AM
Smith will definitley be the starter this year. Our O-line will be better this year than last, but the Tackles are still in question, but with experience they will improve. I think we have a great young line in development. Everyone knows what Boller can do, but Smith has the intangibles it takes to get it done this year in Baltimore. Either way our Offense will be much improved just because of Cam Cameron. He will give our Offense a tempo that it has never had. That alone will change the game.
Posted by: Ted | June 6, 2008 9:05 AM
How can you not start Boller. He's the only one on the team that has any kind of experience in the NFL. Yes he has had some problems adjusting to the speed of the game. Yes the O-Line has had some difficulty protecting our QB for a very long time. We have two Rookie QB's that really have very little experience in the NFL.
I totally agree that Boller in the past has had the "happy feet" and tripped over the center and fumbled a bunch of times. Boller has the potential to be great!! But does have to do with the small amount of time he has had in the pocket. Mcnair as well did struggle with timing in the pocket when put into our system. He was an "adequate" qb because he's been playing for over a decade in the league. When is the last time we had a qb that was even close to Mcnair's level. Most systems have at least a good starting qb for the rookies on the team to get some mentoring from. We haven't had that ever. We have been struggling with QB issues since the ravens came to town. It has been our offensive system for a very long time. Baltimore has always strived on our defense, they have been one of the best defenses in the league for a very long time now. That has always been the concentration of Baltimore.
Boller has what it takes to play in the NFL. He has improved leaps and bounds but has never really had even a medicore offensive system to play in. With the changes in the coaching staff this year you will see drastic changes in the way Baltimore plays football.
Boller will be your starter for the upcoming season. You heard it hear first.
Posted by: Ray Einolf | June 6, 2008 9:47 AM
Anytime that adam terry is starting on anybodies offensive line it can't be any good. He is the biggest bust out 2 round pick that i have seen. Before he even raises up out of his stance the defensive player is already around him. When i read the comments that say that we have a good offensive line i just chuckle.Look guys in this league you need to have 2 stud offensive tackles and we don't have any so tell me how in the world can they be any good.
Posted by: bob lancione | June 6, 2008 1:33 PM
Delaware vs. Ohio State. That is not competition. Mark my word. Troy Smith will be the quarterback of the present and future. It is about time you acknowledge that. Flacco can be rusty. Give me a break. He is inaccurate. Troy Smith is learning a new offense and is attempting to get his timing down with the first team.
Posted by: Paul | June 6, 2008 1:49 PM
Are you kidding me? How have none of you ripped "Frank" for this gem:
"He has more movement and has better pocket presents."
That hurts my brain.
Posted by: Slim Charles | June 6, 2008 1:56 PM
"He has more movement and has better pocket presents."
Exactly, If he's back there playing with his pockets presents we are in trouble!!
As for Delaware vs Ohio State.... Ask jerry Rice from mississipi Valley State AND SO MANY OTHERS FROM SMALL SCHOOLS. The school doesn't make the player.
Posted by: Jim from Fenwick | June 6, 2008 4:25 PM
QUOTE: As excited as everyone is about Troy Smith, he will not have a long career as a starting QB. As with other hybrid running quarter backs that have been in the league, if you do not develop pocket presence and continue to depend on the ability to scramble and make plays with your feet, one day you will find yourself running slower, and riding the pine until retirement.
Play Smith for 4 or 5 games, hope that the record is 2-2 or 3-2. Allow the O-line these games to get their footing as a unit, and insert Flacco. The Ravens should consider Bruce Gradkowski (just placed on waivers by TB) and see if anyone will bite on Boller as a trade for a backup, or just release him.
In case you didn't realize let's look at Smith's college time...
He ran a LOT his first two years as a QB at OSU. But by the time he was a senior he completely knew that offense and ran a lot LESS, showing he does have the ability to be a pocket QB. Last year he passed 76 times and ran 12. Yes, Smith is a mobile QB who can run when neccessary but it seems to me he is already more of a pocket passer. Providing he CONTINUES developing this way he will be a starter for a long time if he is given the opportunity.
P.s. Doug Flutie was a pretty mobile QB and he had a long, fairly successful professional career, maybe more so in the CFL than the NFL but thats not the point.
And Gradkowski is a Ram as of yesterday.
Posted by: Aaron | June 6, 2008 4:26 PM
I wouldn't count Boller out as of yet. While I liked Coach Billick's "matter-of-factness" or "cockiness" or whatever you want to call it, he did not appear to be the offensive genious that was sold to us as fans. This being said, it isn't like Boller was the only quarterback to struggle in this offense. Maybe Boller isn't/wasn't the problem. A change of scenery (coaching staff) may do Boller some good and he may end up proving that he was worth the spot we drafted him at.
Posted by: Jason | June 6, 2008 4:30 PM
Aaron Wilson on the CCTimes website has weekly updates on quotes from the Ravens on various topics. As far as the QB competiton every quote I've read has been very complimentary when talking about Smith but then they are very careful to mention how Boller is also doing well. And of course that's how it should be. Its still very early and this is a new team now and there is no need for Harbaugh to rush into this particular decision. The players from last year all need to feel uncomfortable and insecure about their jobs. They just went 5-11 and there is a whole new regime in place so they better all be on their toes.
As for the question as to whether the bad years were Boller's fault or the offense's fault, when I watch an offense like the Colts or the Patriots there is always the sense that a plan is in place and everyone knows where they are going and what they are doing. I can't say I ever felt that way watching the Ravens' offense since 2000 even when McNair was healthy. With him I always got the feeling he just took what was there, threw out the crap, and made it work and you might expect that from a near HOF QB like him. He lifted the entire team, including Boller, who played well in several relief appearances. So its a little misleading to say that the O- line played well for McNair but not Boller. The whole team played better when McNair was healthy because he was THE MAN. Ravens fans love to hate on the way he finished up last year but McNair was a pretty elite QB. Its a bit much to expect Smith to do the same based on his exploits at Ohio State (who gave the NFL, Joe Germaine, Kent Graham, Craig Krenzel and Bobby Hoying in recent years, all future HOF QB's I'm sure) and bunch of PC interviews. Fortunately all three QB's look like they will have more tools and a better system to run.
Posted by: DDanford | June 6, 2008 9:18 PM
Boller should start, end of story. He has the toughness and experience Troy Smith does not have. I fear if we start Smith, many of his passes will be batted down at the line due to his height. I don't know what some of you have been seeing but Boller has not been fumbling the last 2 seasons like he use to in his 1st 3 seasons. Hopefully this new youthful line can protect the quarterback because if they don't, we're in for a long seson no matter who starts at quarterback.
Posted by: Matthew Falkler | June 7, 2008 12:09 AM
It still amazes me how many supporters Kyle"my man" Boller has.Makes it hard to understand what they have been watching for the last 5 years.He still has no feel for the game.Overthrows or underthrows the deep route,and has little or no touch and even though he has limited mobility,never seems to know when protection breaks down and when to just run or get rid of the ball.I personally saw more pocket presence in Troy Smith in 2 games then I saw from Kyle Boller in 5 years.Enough said.And go watch film on Joe Flacco and you'll see he commands the same kind of respect and has the same awareness as Troy does something,Kyle never achieved here.I think a fresh start for him somehere may help his career,but I never see him being more than an adequate backup QB.
Posted by: Burt from Essex | June 7, 2008 12:23 AM
Jason and Ray,
You absolutely baffle me. Haven't people seen enough of Boller? If he had a brick wall in front of him, he'd still overthrow RBs in the flat. It's not the line's fault. True, it hasn't been great, but Boller needs to show something on a consistent basis. A few throws here and there don't count.
Troy Smith or Joe Flacco should start.
Posted by: J | June 7, 2008 2:57 PM
I like the new coach in the way that hes not playing favorites. I think everybody should be worried about there job.
Smith should start because he has shown some awesome improvement and he has good feet for times when the pocket collapses. We should mix Boller in now and then to confuse the defense and when we have the game won at the end bring in Flacco.
Boller is nothing but a backup and a good one. He will win 50% of the games when our starter is down which hopefully wont happen to often.
Posted by: George Thompson | June 8, 2008 11:32 AM
I think that Kyle Boiler will be the starter. It takes 5 years to be a great QB. I just got this feeling that Boiler will blossom this year. The kids got heart. I like Troy Smith too, but it is something that give me a strange feeling that Kyle Boiler will emerge this year. But then again I could be worng.
Posted by: Kenny A | June 8, 2008 12:49 PM
Judging from Harbaugh's initial moves, I think the the starting QB will be whoever moves the team best. Boller did make some improvement and played well against the Pats, but he will never be an elite QB somce he lacks touch and has no pocket presenece. Smith looked decent at times, but the competition had packed it in by then. We'll see this year when everone has a level playign field. If Flacco is the best of the lot (which I think he clearly is) then why not start him?
Posted by: John | June 9, 2008 11:22 AM
I would personally give Troy Smith the nod. His rising leadership with the vets, his pocket presence, and his play in the games he played in last year is enough evidence for me. I will predict that at least in training camp Kyle Boller will give a run for his money. I'm in no way a "Bumblin' Boller" fan, but it will be interesting in seeing whether he adapts and improves to Cam Cameron's offense. Billick's "O" is all he's known. The Ravens history has consist of people that cannot run offense...period! When Vinny T was here, he sucked, then left, and played some solid years of football. We have had caliber offensive players come and go for years, and it just seems that when these players leave Baltimore, they play good. Has anyone else noticed that? Blame that on Billick, or others in the past! Play calling has hurt this offense for a long time, and has hurt QB's in particular, but tripping at the line, over-passes, short passes, fumbles, dropping the ball while scrambling down field (when there is not a single opponent within 5 yards of yourself), no leadership skills, no clue about pocket protection, is the QB's fault, which is why Kyle Boller will not be the starter...backup...YES, but definitely not the starter! Flacco will rise up early though. Smith will have 2 years to take command of the Ravens. If he doesn't work out, then join me in welcoming Flacco as a starter!
Posted by: Justin S | June 9, 2008 3:21 PM
Kenny A-You heard it here first,you're wrong.If Boller starts we're done.5-11 at best.
Posted by: Burt from Essex | June 9, 2008 7:15 PM
all remeber the game we lost patroits 07 Boiler would have been crowned
our coaching and lack of dicipline lost
the game.Troy is a force to be noted
It is boiler job prove to us his grit
troy has, and could win it for us for he has a chip on his shoulder which is good for our offense for a 2 or 3rd defence and a 8th ranked offence Ravens may prove to be a force to deal with for 3-4 years.
Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 1:27 AM
What has any quarterback done in the previous system? Boller, Redman, Banks, Mitchell, ... I can go on forever. Even with winning the Super Bowl, we didn't have a great QB. I think as fans, we just want to see the revolving door of quarterbacks in Baltimore stop. If Boller does it, great. If it is Smith, awesome. It is widely thought that the average NFL quarterback does not begin to play at the level they are capable of until they have started 35+ games. I honestly don't know (and neither does anyone else) how Flacco is going to be. He might be the next Manning, Montana, or Brady. Then again, he could be the next Tim Couch, Akili Smith, or Chris Weinke. I just don't want to see him get rushed into starting if he isn't ready. The NFL is littered with QB's that started before they were ready.
Posted by: Jason | June 10, 2008 1:33 AM
Troy Smith showed a lot of poise and potential for playmaking ability when thrust into the role lat year. It's not surprising at all for those of us who followed him at Ohio State. He has the intangibles that Boller doesn't and Flacco has yet to prove. Troy's a pass 1st, run 2nd QB who will make plays with his feet is he needs to. Sound like someone familiar? I think his name was McNair. Give him a shot, he's definitely worth it.
Posted by: Fred M | June 10, 2008 1:03 PM
how can we as baltimore fans sit here and say Troy Smith is not what we need. He is a proven quaterback when it comes to taking care of the football. His senior year i think he threw 32 tds and 8int. That part of his game translated to the nfl. In the limited time he recevied last year no turnovers maybe one. we need that to go along with our running game and strong defense. As for Joe flacco look up his numbers as a senior against d1aa players it only get harder in the nfl. they show he doesnt take care of the ball. how many interviews does Ray Lewis have to make telling qb's not to turn the ball over and the defense will keep them in the game.
Posted by: speedy | June 10, 2008 3:04 PM
Boller-Shmoller...
I can remember the good old days of Boller torching the....oh wait, that never happened.
I remember the year that Boller led us to the playoffs as the starter....oh wait, that never happened.
True of False:
Boller has shown GREAT pocket presence -
Boller handles ALL snaps from the center cleanly -
Boller doesn't trip over his own feet -
Boller hasn't tripped over his own feet, hit one knee and in turn SHOVED the ball into an un-expecting Jamal Lewis' stomach -
THE KID IS TERRIBLE!! Send me out there. Heck, I can be as consistent as him and my resume only has social-league touch football on it!!
Put in Smith and ride him till it's time for Wacco-Flacco!!! GO JOE!!
Posted by: J-Ferggles | June 10, 2008 4:18 PM
What's with this notion that Boller got thrown to the wolves too early?
Any coach, in any pro sport, much less pro football, will testify that a player learns the most on the job. Sure they are gonna struggle, but at some point, the rubber will meet the road and they will either meet or not meet expectations. I think Boller's resume thus far speaks for itself. Now let's move on and put someone else into the fire and watch, as we all did with the Mannings, or any other Pro QB for that matter, watch as they struggle horrendously but show signs of promise and progression. Boller is not a figure of progress. Stagnation more like, and I for one, would like to see that stagnation on the bench, preferrably somebody elses.
Posted by: Sizemo | June 10, 2008 7:33 PM
From the above posts.....
Statement: The Ravens have a good offensive line.
Fact: The Ravens OL stinks, has stunk, and will stink this year
Statement: The Ravens offensive line will be better this year.
Question: Why? Because their only good player, JO, retired? Gimme a break!
Statement: The Ravens offensive line will be improved because they've invested heavily in early round draft choices.
Huh? Doesn't it matter WHO you draft? Terry and Chester are busts. JO is gone. Gaither is supposedly a few IQ points from being "special needs". All are being shuffled. None have any experience at the position they're expected to play this year.
Statement: The OL will improve because they're all young.
Fact: You can stink when your young and not get any better just because you're older. The OL will stink this year and for several years to come until the Ravens find a GM who can draft the right OL prospects. Oz has drafted one good OL in 13 drafts.
The offense should be a little better just because Cameron's here and Billick's gone. But the offense will never be even average, and judging any or all of the QBs will be moot, until they get a better OL.
Posted by: easywriter01 | June 11, 2008 10:01 PM
As a Raven-maniac, I think we should trade Mr. Boller for draft choices (if any takers) and allow Mr. Smith to start. The rookie should be the back-up, and perhaps sign a "seasoned" veteran as a third QB.
Posted by: jC | June 13, 2008 11:50 AM
I really believe most people on here dont seem to know what they are talking about! Kyle Boller seemed to have a huge improvment and showed alot of leadership. For example whenever this past year he wasnt all gittery and when the O-LINE actually blocked Boller hits the recievers that are open! I think people are forgetting when we played New England, Boller was stiff arming people and throwing on the run making excellent decisions! When he has time, he is GREAT! Peyton and Brady have time to throw, why shouldnt we give Boller time to be a pocket passer and see what he can do. He was thrown right in and had the same situation as David Carr! The ravens had a better line then texans but still cant compare to good teams in the NFL. Boller IS and can be the future for the Ravens if we can get him a SOLID line and a Reciever with some size. O and maybe a TE who can stay healthy! Todd Heap is great but needs to stay healthy! We need help at WR and OL... BOLLER IS THE MAN! LETS GO BOLLER-MORE RAVENS! Just wait and see what he can do everyone! Give him some blocking and he'll make it rain with TD's and completions! Just dont give up on him, the Steelers fans hated Bradshaw for like 4-5 years, Boller will show you! Hes the man, just gotta block for him and dont let him become punch drunk from getting hit and hurt! Goodluck Kyle, look forward to seeing START this season!
Posted by: Steve | July 13, 2008 11:47 PM