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August 28, 2011

Showalter: Yankees complaints 'a little disrespectful to Flanny, quite frankly'

Buck Showalter was asked in his pre-game media session about the New York Yankees' griping about the way the Orioles handled the Hurricane Irene postponements and the rescheduling, and the outspoken manager predictably didn't mince words.

"First of all, I felt that some of the stuff was a little disrespectful to Flanny, quite frankly. That didn’t sit with me very well. I can tell you that," Showalter said, referencing Wednesday's tragic death of Mike Flanagan. "We didn’t say much – I think we had an April rainout there – and they just told us when we were playing. We were OK with that. Like I told you the other day, you tell us when we’re playing, we’ll play. ... We understand that sometimes our opinions on things are not relevant. They come to me when there is two options and talk about it from a baseball standpoint. Every club does that. But some of it kind of has a feeling of [hypocrisy]. I don’t know. I don’t dwell on it. Their opinion on what the Baltimore Orioles should do for their fans and for their organization isn’t really that relevant to me personally, I can tell you that. We’ll do what’s best for our fans and for our organization, and we expect it back that they’re going to do the same on their side."

Several Yankees, including general manager Brian Cashman, manager Joe Girardi and player rep Curtis Granderson, wanted the Orioles to play a doubleheader Friday. The Orioles declined for several reasons – we've talked about them plenty over the past two days, so I don't feel the need to list them again – and instead suggested the two teams play doubleheaders Sunday (today) and Monday (tomorrow). The Yankees didn't want to do that ahead of their big series opener Tuesday in Boston. The Orioles then suggested a doubleheader today and making up the other game on the mutual off day Sept. 8. That's ultimately what has happened, although the Yankees continue to fight it because Sept. 8 is their final full off day of the season.

"Somebody said they offered us to play them there and they were going to give us part of the gate. That’s interesting," Showalter said. "We also realize that there’s a lot of Yankees fans here that come to the games, and there is a lot of different things to think about. I’m real confident that our guys have thought about every possible thing, and we hope that the scenario we’ve had coming back home here never presents itself again. I’m sure if they stopped and thought about it, if the same thing that happened to one of their greats, that they probably would have given a lot of consideration to how they were going to handle that day.

"A lot of people don’t really care about what our opinions are about different parts of baseball. We play baseball. If there’s something out there, it’s all about what’s best for the fans and a lot of different things. ... We hope one day that we can be as competitive as they are. I respect where they are in the season and what their people are saying about the competitive part of it, but it means something to us, too. We’ll continue to do what’s best for the Baltimore Orioles and the fans, which are the same thing. Along the way, we’ll wear that. Sometimes we confuse some things from a real-life standpoint compared to what we’re actually doing here, OK? Obviously, there’s more, but I’ll stop there."

Posted by Jeff Zrebiec at 12:18 PM | | Comments (25)
        

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Earth to Buck....Baseball revolves around the $tankee$

Buck, you are the shining bright light at the end of this seemingly endless dark tunnel. Please never leave. That is all.

Really good to hear Buck say this. The Yankees' whining was utterly thoughtless, to put the most charitable interpretation on it.

Jeff:

Love that Buck is changing the culture of being pushed around by NY and Boston. His comments on the Red Sox and Theo Epstein in spring training (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/8993/showalters-slap-at-theo-has-no-sting) and previous comments on the Yankees might seem like crying from a losing organization, but it's music to my ears. I'm tired of Girardi.

Some might not remember, but last year Girardi RIPPED into Jeremy Guthrie for hitting batters. I made a big deal about it, because aside from Yankees pitchers pitching in consistently, their staff had two of the top three pitchers leading the league in hit batsmen - CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett.

Girardi feels the Yankees should have different rules applicable to them - and I think that MLB admin feels the same way. It's enough.

Kudos to Buck.

Buck's still peeved the Yankees showed him the door.

Remember this game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA197908060.shtml

What does the scheduling issue have to do with Flanagan? What am I missing there?


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Jeff Z's reply: Buck's point was that the Yankees' obsession with this issue when there are more important things going on was disrespectful. I don't think he appreciated fact that Granderson's critical statement came out right around moment of silence. I also don't think the Orioles appreciate the Yankees telling them when the games needed to be rescheduled. Again, not taking sides, just trying to explain Buck's comments.

Bravo Zulu Buck!

Yeah, so? That was the first game after Munson's funeral, so what? Remember, the Orioles won the first two games after Munson died and before the funeral. What's your point? Are you trying to compare Munson to Flanagan? Two different situations, not the least of which is that Munson died on a Yankee off day, and the team was playing the Orioles at home.

Or are you just mad that another team had the temerity to stand up to the Yankees?

Why bother trying to explain "Yankee Logic?" Just those two words are the epitome of an oxymoron! Buck has eloquently brought reality back to the situation without using any insulting or demeaning language; something unavailable to Cashman, Girardi and Granderson.
I think back to the predictable death of George Steinbrenner. If ANYONE in baseball had made a slightly insensitive comment, can you imagine the hell that would have rained down? Yet, here we have lost our beloved Flanny, and Gary Thorne just mentioned on air that Girardi has YET to call Buck and offer his condolences for the loss of his friend. That, my friends, is the real "Yankee Way."
The Yankees may win a lot of games, and they may boast a lot of fans, but as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather root for a team that frustrates me every day, than an organization full of narcissistic, whiny, win-at-all-cost bullies! ...RIP #46

Phony victimhood is pathetic.

Hey, Buck: Concentrate on winning baseball games instead of this petty crap.

Jeff, if you give Buck enough rope he surely will hang himself.

Great work!

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Go Buck! To the point and totally correct.

I stand behind no man when it comes to visceral, gut-wrenching hatred for the Yankees. I was brought up to channel all my hatred in life towards the Yankees, thanks to my dad, who clearly had an exceptional sense of priorites.

That said, I do think we are getting a bit carried away here. The idea that the Yankees have no empathy for the Orioles and their fans following the death of Mike Flanagan is absurd. They were trying to revise the schedule to their benefit. Nothing more, nothing less.

During the memorial, they held their caps over their hearts and applauded Mike's life when it was over. There was no reason to believe that their good will was phony. That's good enough for me.

I THINK WE ALL NEED TO FIND SOME THING SERIOUS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. I THINK BUCK IS KEEPING PLENTY UNDER HIS HAT AND THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD STAY. TO THAT END, GOD SPEED FLANNY, MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO YOUR GIRLS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR DAD. AND TO HIS WIFE, KNOW WE ALL HOPE YOU GET THROUGH THESE DIFFICULT TIMES..MIKE WAS A WONDERFUL MAN AND LOVED ORIOLE.

my heart pumps purple peanut butter taht the yankees are bent out of shape over the rescheduling of the games. it is good to see that for once they do not get their way. why don't we all have a pitty party for them. not.

Joe Girardi knows better and Buck hit the nail on the head that he was disrespectful to Flanny. The Yankees approached the Orioles less than 24 hours before, at which point the Orioles had to be focused on their grieving and to find ways to support their fans in grieving. Then, they release their point around the memorial moment.

The Yankees had one such day, August 2, 1979, the day after Thurmon Munson died in a plane crash near his home in Canton Ohio. Munson was the "heart and soul" of the Yankees, not Reggie, but Thurmon. On August 2nd, the Yankees opened a four game series at Yankee Stadium against the O's. The O's would go on to win the AL East pennant. But, on this day, the Yankees and their fans were focused on their loss of Thurmon, as they should have been. I remember that day. I was at that game.

The Yankees paid tribute to their deceased captain in a pre-game ceremony in which the starters stood at their defensive positions, except for the catcher's box, which remained empty. Following a prayer by Cardinal Terence Cooke, a moment of silence and "America the Beautiful" by Robert Merrill, the 51,151 in attendance burst into an eight minute standing ovation. Jerry Narron (a future O's coach), the man who would replace Munson behind the plate that night, remained in the dugout and did not enter the field until stadium announcer Bob Sheppard said, "And now it is time to play ball. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for your co-operation." As a baseball fan, I feel fortunate to have been there for that moment.

I share this story, because as a minister, I understand the sacredness of these moments in our lives. The Flanny memorial moment was as important to the Oriole family as was the Munson moment. As Jim Palmer said "He was one of us." Indeed, he was. Flanny was an important of us and an important part of the "O's heart and soul." Joe Girardi is a spokesperson for his team. He could have taken higher ground. And he's still moaning today. Joe, come on. Buck, thank you for speaking up.

I find it a shame that none of the Yankee fans commenting here seem to remember that in the entire series after Mr. Munson's tragic death, the Baltimore Orioles wore black armbands to honor the fallen Yankee.

Thank you Buck. You have shown the reason the Yankees let you go, you had TOO MUCH CLASS! Girardi I hope one day you are put ion the same position and let's see how you feel. Someone said earlier I'd rather root for a team that frustrates me and shows class than to root for one that wins and is classless like the Yankees. You and your fans are a disgrace.

I am very glad Buck is an Oriole. He has brought class back to the organization.

The only positive thing I can say about the Yankees is that they are not as whiny as the Redsox and their pathetic fans.

Can you believe Zach and the Os shut out the Yankees? The Yankees scored 22 runs on the As just 3 days ago.

I live a couple hours from New York and you know what,screw the Yankees. They totally disrespected the Orioles and Flanny. If this was one of their own, you bet they would do what they want. You see, the Yankees and the Red Sox think they can rule baseball, but this game was in our yard. Basically, Girardi, Cashman, Granderson don't care about our fans if they think we can just move a game to a friday afternoon, unfortunally some people have jobs. Very unprofessional from the Yankees, they should think before they run their mouths

Baltimore don't care how this affects the Yankees if they ever get in to post season race they might see it the way yanks do Showalter is just a blow hard

God forbid this situation ever happens to the Yankees. Joe Girardi and the Yankee organization should be ashamed of themselves for the way they handled their opinions about the schedule in public. What do you think would have happened if the situation were reversed? The Yankees would have done the same thing, GUARANTEED! The Yankees, in this matter owe the Orioles and their fans a huge apology. Some things ARE more important than sports and the death of one of you own is at the top of the list!

Much ado about nothin. This had nothing to do with Flanny. It`s about playing for 30 plus days without a day off. No player wants to do that. Unless maybe as an Oriole you just can`t wait for the season to be over. But twisting NY`s complaints into a slap at Flannigan is hogwash. Maybe if the birds could win more often they would have other things to talk about.

Honestly I am glad to see the Orioles ( or anyone in baseball) stand up to the Yankees. it's about time they ( the Yankees) realize that just because you have the biggest cash pile , you don't get to make the rules. The time and date of this make up game was up to the Orioles discretion ( as is the rule), they are under no obligation to do it the Yankee way. This is one problem they cannot buy or inject their way out of.

The Yankees let Buck go because he left a tired David Cone (147 gd pitches) in to blow the lead in Game 5 vs. Seattle, then brought in Jack McDowell instead of John Wetteland just because Wetteland had blown a save the night before. It didn't have a thing to do with "class."

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