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November 14, 2008

Couture-Lesnar bad for MMA?

A commenter left this on an earlier entry about UFC 91:

This fight doesn't speak very well for MMA. I have no idea how Couture is even still around. He is so old.  And to give Lesnar a shot at anything at this point is a disgrace. It's not like he's proven that he deserves it.  So what if he beat down a weak-chinned Korean with a 3-6 record and managed to roll around on the ground with a fat man for 3 rounds for a decision.  Mir was his only real competition, and Lesnar lost. The sport deserves better. MMA should be about grit and determination, not this.

This is something I've seen from a few people and it doesn't make sense. I think UFC president Dana White deserves some credit for putting this fight together because it is intriguing. He always says he wants to put on the fights fans want to see, and whether it's fair or not, I'd much rather see Randy Couture-Brock Lesnar than Couture-Fabricio Werdum, even if Werdum deserved the title shot more. 

Couture is old but is also a legend. He was old when he first got into the sport and he was old when he beat Tim Sylvia for the title at UFC 68. Just because he's old doesn't mean he's not one of the top heavyweights in the world, because he is.

He's a great test for Lesnar, who has been fighting increasingly difficult competition. We will get to learn a lot about Lesnar in this fight and where his future in the sport will be. We will also know if Couture is still at the top of the heavyweight scene in MMA, especially poignant after months of rumors about a possible Couture-Fedor Emelianenko fight. We've since seen what Fedor is capable of and now we'll get to see if Couture could have (we will never see the fight, unfortunately) brought something to that fight.

Lesnar doesn't deserve a title shot, and Couture even suggested that when I spoke with him about this fight. But, everything else about this matchup makes sense. Especially the chief reason it was put together -- because it will sell like crazy.

(Photo courtesy of Zuffa, LLC)

Posted by Mark Chalifoux at 12:51 PM | | Comments (15)
        

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Amen. Very well written.

The criticism should be aimed at the depth of the UFC's heavyweight division.

Brock Lesner is a big Monkey Couture is Capt. America..the BEST to ever get in the octagon!!! The best pound for pound fighter for all of you Slyvia freaks...You wrong, so are the commercials. Ken Flo, Ken Florian is by FARRRR the best pound for pound eer. I fight MMA myself and have been in Martial arts for over 25 years. I'm a fighter I would rather fight Brocks big bitt that Ken Flo. Ken is a technician. You slip he'll eat you alive.
Jeff Boyd MMA, Kick boxing, Thai-Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Ju Jitsu instructor: if you have the knowledge I do then speak you mind but don't open your mouth if you've never fought professionally.

Couture should be fighting no one but the winning of Noguiera-Mir, even if he has to wait a few more months. Lesnar should be fighting Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez before he gets a shot at the title. A one fight winning streak is a joke. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to this fight though Lesnar doesn't deserve the belt even if he wins.

BJ Penn v Lesnar. Who wins?

Forget it if it's a real money match you want listen to this Couture-Maywether LOL yeah Brock doesn't have the greatest record but this isn't boxing where if you lose you could ruin your career. These guys are big and theres a wide diversity of fighters in MMA that go against each other so anything can happen it's two men pound for pound going at it in compitition of strength and knowledge. This is a great opportunity for Lesnar to put a rest to negative thoughts like this he's a big guy strong and smart you forget he's a college champion not just WWE his only lack is experience when getting taking down and thats a rookie mistake any fighter can make.

Your writing is very disorganized and your grammer isn't so great either. Your opinion seems to change from sentence to sentence. You start out seeming to go in one direction, then suddenly say something conflicting before finishing that thought. Work on your organization.

It seems like this article was written based on comments from an MMA message board..

Christopher--this was written based on a comment, just one left on this blog and not one from an MMA message board. I've also heard from several people who have echoed those sentiments through email and in person.

Chris-I can't respect someone knocking my grammar when they spell the word wrong.

This fight is big for the bank, but it's not terribly big for MMA. Look at the WAMMA rankings, Mark, rankings for which you personally cast a vote. One has to look all the way down to the "receiving votes" box to find Brock's name, and Randy has completely fallen off of the rankings because he's been idle for ages. So taking just that into account, I am curious to see where you and the other WAMMA voters put the winner of this fight in your heavyweight rankings. But there are other factors as well. Will the voters put the winner of this fight ahead of Fedor, Nog, Barnett, or Arlovski? If Gonzaga and Lesnar both win tonight, could Lesnar, whose only credible victory will have come against Couture in this hypothetical scenario (let's face it, Heath Herring is nothing more than a gatekeeper), jump all the way ahead of Gonzaga, who hasn't beaten much of anyone himself? Is simply possessing the UFC belt enough to bump Lesnar into the top five of the WAMMA heavyweight rankings? I don't know. But we might find out.

C. Smith--

You raise an intriguing point. It begs the question that is at the heart of any rankings- are you ranking fighters (or teams) on how good you think they are or based strictly on their resume.

A win over Couture is enough to get Lesnar in the top 10. Similarly, I think I would rank Couture ahead of Arlovski and Barnett if he wins. I couldn't rank Lesnar ahead of any of the fighters you mentioned, with the exception of Gonzaga. I think Gonzaga is incredibly overrated.

And I even ranked Lesnar in my top 10 heavyweights in my last ranking, although I think I had him right at 10.

Thanks for the response, Mark. I think I agree with you on all of the points you make. It will be interesting to see how your fellow voters (and the rest of the MMA journalists and pundits) react to the fight's outcome.

Couture Lesnar? No thanks!

The fight I am looking forward to most in the coming months isn't even a UFC fight. It's an affliction fight.

I cannot wait to see Fedor and Arlovski go at it. they are two of my favorite fighters. Both are at the top of their game and both are class acts. I don't know who to root for.

If anyone can take out Fedor it's gonna be Arlovski. However I think Fedor will win this one. He's just that damn good,

So far Affliction's production values have sucked but if they can get it together for this fight and start drawing some more quality fighters they may be around for awhile wether Dana White likes it or not.

Everyone of you are missing the whole point of this fight.

The whole purpose was to lose interest between Couture and Fedor.

White wanted Couture to lose this recent fight so that Fedor will never be able to claim he is the best heavyweight in the world.

Now if Fedor beats Couture, White still holds a monopoly over the heavyweight speculation.

When Elite gave the people what they wanted to see, it was a joke but its ok when UFC does it?
Lesnar's win in the pathetic HW UFC serves to remind us how weak it is after Nog.
The phallus on the chest cartoon character is one dimensional with no stamina and not one once of martial arts knowledge.

Of course its par for the course that an organization which promotes MMA to america every week with drunken retards pissing and masturbating in each others food has this buffoon as its poster boy.

At least we should thank him for getting that old fart out of the way. He was 4-5 during the prime of his career and that screams mediocre.
I hope we can stop the legend BS.

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