And the reason this guy didn't get a look up here is?

Glad I didn't go and root for that clown Livingston. Who would sign a guy like this to a contract with a clause like that?

This Livingston guy looks pretty good with a 6-2 record and a 3.62 ERA. In fact, too good for the Orioles at the major league level apparently. He doesn't fit with the numbers of our major league pitchers. Then they (the Orioles) wonder why they can't put a championship team on the field.
We'll hear sometime in the future about how Livingston is wildly successful with another team. Same old Borioles!

There wasn't a whole lot about Livingston to be excited about. He's several years removed from the last time he's put up particularly interesting numbers and, given his age, isn't the sort of pitcher anybody should be losing much sleep over losing. Not to say he's a worthless pitcher with no potential or future, because this isn't entirely the case, but to keep him we would have needed to make a corresponding major league roster move. With the surplus of guys in Norfolk much more deserving of a chance it would have been terribly sad move. You have to imagine part of the reasoning for putting these clauses in contracts is the hope that it will pressure general managers to accommodate their contract status, even if they wouldn't otherwise be completely worth of a promotion. I'm glad to see nobody buckled, because it would not have been the right move.

Judging by his career minor league numbers, he's a decent control pitcher, but given his unbearably low strikeout totals and unimpressive WHIP the past few years, I think it's fair to assume that he would not have fared well against major league pitching had he been called up. His numbers are quite inferior to what Bergesen put up in Bowie last year at age 23, and even with him most people thought his lack of minor league strikeouts were indicative of what would be an inability to retire major league hitting. With Bergesen considered a longshot to contribute, Livingston would have been even more of a long shot. Fortunately this isn't the sort of Orioles team that needs to bank on long shot pitchers.

The guy is 26 and only in double A. How many other clubs has he been with? Sometimes I think fans just rant to rant.We have quite a few up and coming pitchers in the system.Take a chill pill.

You guys should really think before you speak or write. Bobby Livingston was drafted by the Mariners in 2001 he was in their farm system for four years and he stunk it up. His one stint in the majors included all of 5 innings and 10 earned runs. Since Seattle he has bounced around from team to team. We took a shot on the guy to see if he could cut it, he can't. He is 30 plus at AA. He had that contract because he was supposed to make an impact at camp and he didnt.

Isn't it time to evaluate the evaluaters? Livingston will haunt us in the near future! Weheard nothing of him, why is that. Tha system once again is not Major League, what "rookie" gets a clause to be released, to sign and come back to haunt us? Another reason why we don't win

know this guy. He will come back to haunt you. He was heading for a very good year with the reds before he went down with a labrum tear. Last year was a rehab, this year he is proving he can pitch, and will be in the majors again this year. He will not strike out a lot of hitters but he will make them hit ground balls. I have never seen anyone as determind as he is. He has the ability to be a good winning pitcher in the majors. Put a great definse behind him and he will win 13 to 16 games a year.c

Unreal the whining that pours out on this board. Somehow we are supposed to care about a career minor league player excercising a relatively common cause in these types of contracts. Minor leaguers were almost hitting .300 against him. And this is the move that is going to haunt us. Please. It's painful to read something so devoid of logic. Many things may haunt this team, but pretty sure Bobby Livingston wont be it. Better to have him on another major league team to give our hitters a chance at him. I'm just happy that finally the O's are in a position to not be the team going after these players when they excercise out of these contracts.

Come on folks, let's try to focus on the real world and not some place where career minor leaguers who have bounced around from team to team are going to win 16 games in the majors.

Simply a player who sees that he no future with the Orioles ans wants the opportunity to go somewhere else, where he will probably succeed.

James, the whining you're referring to is called differences of opinion. One might construe your opinion as whining so let's not be so quick to dismiss someone else's
interpretation of the article. After all the Orioles have been pretty lowly for a VERY LONG TIME meaning that maybe they should take a risk on situation that might not seem the right one to do. The so called right logical decisions that they have made over the last 26 years have been pretty lame excluding the 1997 season in which they buckled after a kid caught a ball in the stands. I was surprised that they went as far as they did then. I'm an Orioles fan and would love to see them succeed but I call it the way I see it. Now I'll stop whining.

Bruce, fair enough. My response was a bit much and perhaps a bit whinny, but seriously, to claim that the O's would be "haunted" by a career minor leaguer (that AA and AAA hitters are hitting almost .300 against) is absurd. I just find it astonishing that with all the truly talented pitchers that the O's have finally assembled in the minors and now in the majors that anyone would claim bad management based on the release of Bobby Livingstone - a player several other teams have evaluated and let go.

I guess you could say it is a difference of opinion but not a particularly knowledgeable one.

Just so everyone knows, Bobby was signed with Cleveland and won another game today. I'll be watching him in the big leagues in a month.