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O's minor leaguers in '08 -- Second basemen

Before I jump into the rankings for the second basemen in the Orioles’ minor league system, I’d like to thank the readers who suggested that I also discuss defense in these posts.

It’s ironic because, as you’ll see at the bottom of this entry, defense will play a big role in the order of the second basemen in the organization. As I’ve stated several times since O's on Deck launched, feel free to offer ideas for ways to improve the blog. Including defensive statistics will definitely improve these rankings, so thanks again.

Matt Wieters threw out 37 of the 92 runners (40%) that attempted stolen bases against him this season. He made nine errors in 93 games as a catcher for the Frederick Keys and Bowie Baysox. Caleb Joseph, who caught 45 games for the Aberdeen IronBirds in 2008, was 29 of 67 (43%) in throwing out runners. Joseph had six errors as a catcher and three in seven games as a first baseman. Omir Santos had two errors in 81 games for the Norfolk Tides. He threw out 27 of 101 runners (27%) attempting to steal.

Frederick’s Brandon Snyder had 11 errors in 83 games at first base (.986 fielding percentage) and one error in six games at third. Oscar Salazar made seven errors in 84 games at first base for Norfolk (.991). Aberdeen’s T.J. Baxter had six errors in 28 games (.974) and Bluefield Orioles first baseman Elvin Polanco had 14 errors in 60 games (.975).

I’m interested to find out what people think about my rankings for second basemen in the organization. I’d like to have L.J. Hoes of the Gulf Coast League Orioles graded higher, but it’s hard to move him above Delmarva Shorebirds second baseman Ryan Adams.

With that said, I can’t put Adams at the top of the list because, as I mentioned earlier, defense should play a role in these rankings. The 21-year-old second baseman was terrible with the glove in 2008. He had 52 errors this season, including 46 in 96 games at second base. I like his offensive statistics, but I just can’t put him first in the rankings because of the defensive miscues.

Enter Norfolk’s Eider Torres. The 25-year-old second baseman hit .307 with 28 stolen bases and 69 runs scored in 115 games this season. He was 2-for-9 during a brief stretch with the Orioles in the beginning of the year. I’m not saying that Torres is the answer for the Orioles at second base if they need a replacement for Brian Roberts, but he had the best overall season in the organization, in my opinion.

What do you think? Did I penalize Adams too much for his horrendous defensive play?

I’d also like to see Hoes play a full season before figuring out where he fits in the organization, but he’s off to a good start.

So, I’d put the second basemen in this order if I had to rank them based on this season, while considering their future outlook in the major leagues:

1. Eider Torres
2. Ryan Adams
3. L.J. Hoes
4. Miguel Abreu
5. Buck Britton

As I mentioned above, Torres had a solid season for the Tides. He finished tied for seventh in the International League in batting average, 10th in hits and 11th in stolen bases. Torres also ended up fifth on the team with 20 doubles.

Adams was the best offensive second baseman in the Orioles’ minor league system in 2008. He hit .308 with 26 doubles, 11 home runs and 57 RBIs. The Orioles’ second-round draft pick in the 2006 MLB draft also had 12 stolen bases and 68 runs scored. It’s worth noting that Adams struck out 109 times in 448 at-bats, however.

The second baseman that intrigues me the most is Hoes. The Orioles selected the 18-year-old infielder in the third round of this year’s draft and he hit .308 with 36 runs scored and 18 RBIs in 48 games for the GCL Orioles. Hoes also had 10 stolen bases and he wasn’t caught stealing once. His defense needs some work because he committed 15 errors in 48 games, but it’s not necessary to panic at this stage in his career.

Abreu hit .275 with six home runs and 43 RBIs in 116 games for Frederick in 2008. He had 24 doubles and 21 stolen bases. The Orioles drafted the 23-year-old second baseman in the 28th round in 2005.

Britton is the older brother of Delmarva starting pitcher Zach Britton. The Orioles picked him in the 35th round of this year’s draft and the 22-year-old second baseman hit .289 with 14 RBIs and 19 runs scored in 47 games for Bluefield.

Posted by Dean Jones Jr. at 1:32 AM | | Comments (14)
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You were not too tough on Adams. His defense was awful and he must improve his defense before he can be considered a legitimate prospect.

Didn't Eider get dropped from the 40 man roster recently? If correct, he may not even be in the system next year.

While I agree that defense is important in evaluating any player, number of errors and fielding percentage tell us little of a player's defensive value. Especially with young players. More important is range factor, how many balls does he get to? Errors are misleading, especially in the minors, given the often less than ideal field conditions. Also, young players with range tend to make a lot of mental errors, ie trying to make the great play when he should have just eaten the ball. These kind of errors will diminish as he gains experience. As a case in point, look at Ozzie Smith's early career, he make a lot of errors, mostly on throws after he got to a ball no one else could have sniffed. As he grew,he learned when to make the throw and when not to, and became the "wizard of Oz".
That being said, I have no idea whether Adams is a budding Smith, or the re-incarnation of Hector Lopez. If you could tell us his range factor, or if that info is not kept for minor leaguers, at least his total chances (an imperfect proxy, but one we used before the development of rf), we would have a lot better idea of Adams', or any others' defensive skills.

Thank you, and I am really enjoying your blog and the insight it provides.

LJ's defense will improve. He was an outfielder/pitcher until the Os drafted him.

no, you didn't penalize adams too much for his lack of defense. the middle infielders must make the plays regardless of their offensive numbers. in fact, i would move hoes up on the list and begin speculating as to what position adams might be better suited for.
i'd like to ask that you include 'inherited runs scored' in your ranking of pitchers. a reliever's e.r.a. can be very misleading when that stat is not considered.
i think that your blog is a great idea, especially since we have more minor leaguers with big league potential than we have had in a long, long time. it's fun to track them on their way up.

I played against LJ in HS. He never even played infield at st. johns, so I'd give him a pass for the summer and let him develop his skills over the winter months and see how he settles in. He's one heck of a hitter

If anything, you weren't tough enough on Adams. Defensively speaking, that is one awful season.

Hoes indeed sounds intriguing for a guy of high school age. What are his height and weight? If he's adjusted well to pro ball and life away from home, he's probably pretty mature for his age.

I thought Adam's glove improved over the second half as did his bat?? Didn't he just turn 20? Check out Bruce's first year at low A (not impressive), then a year and half later in the bigs. The young guys need a break, remember when Synder was considered a big disappointment?

Jeter had over 50 errors one year in the minors

John Galt -

Range factor is a useless stat which has much less to do with the player's ability to get to a lot of balls than the groundball/flyball tendencies of his pitching staff, park factors, number of runners his catchers catch stealing (in the case of a middle infielder) and any number of other external factors that do not reflect a player's ability to cover ground.

No defensive statistic can really serve as a stand-alone measure of a player's defensive value, but Zone Rating/Revised ZR is a much better way to go if you really want to know a player's range, as is the Fielding Bible's plus/minus stat (although that's highly subjective). The only way I draw any conclusions from defensive stats is if I have already seen the player enough to have some idea of his defensive ability and all of the imperfect stats seem to point in one direction. The exception is errors when they are extremely high. Few errors might just mean a guy's range is limited or he isn't aggressive, and 10 errors isn't necessarily worse than 5 if the guy with 10 makes more great plays, but when a guy has 50 in 90 games and it's not just a one year thing and his neither his range or arm are above average for a low minors second baseman, you have a serious problem. If Ryan Adams can't hit enough to be left fielder, and I'm pretty sure he can't, he will never be a Major League player.

Probably the minor leaguer most likely to play 2nd for the O's, if there is a need, would be would be Blake Davis. If he hits above .270 at Norfolk, I understand he has a glove, he is the one.
There must be a very good reason that Torres got dropped from the 40 man roster!

Maybe you were being too tough on Adams. Was he wearing a glove ?

At St. john's L.J. played the outfield, centerfield. His freshmen year when he hit 4th in the order he played third base. That year st. john's won the WCAC leauge. (the leauge st. john's is in)
L. J. need time to get use to second base. Also his senior year St. John's was ranked 2nd in the nation with 9 divsion 1 players. Also had LHP Scott Silverstien who threw 95 and was 6'7" but didn't pitch because of an injury and was drafted in the 32 round by the nationals.

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About Dean Jones Jr.
Dean Jones Jr.Dean Jones Jr. is the sports community coordinator at The Baltimore Sun. Following minor league baseball has always been one of his favorite hobbies. The smaller stadiums, intimate atmosphere and affordable prices allow everyone to see baseball played in its truest form. He enjoys tracking prospects as they progress from the lowest levels of a team’s farm system all the way up to the major leagues.
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