'Sept. 10 mindset': McCain's Bush play: The Swamp
 
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The words Bush used in 2004 are coming around again in 2008, from McCain

Posted June 17, 2008 1:15 PM
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by Mark Silva

We've heard these words before.

Randy Scheunemann, foreign policy adviser to Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, suggests that Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's stance on the handling of suspected terrorists is "the perfect manifestation of a Sept. 10 mindset.''

Back in the fall of 2004, the reelection-campaigning President Bush told supporters at a rally in Wausau, Wis.: "My opponent and I have very different views on conducting the war on terror.

"Sen. Kerry approaches the world with a September the 10th mindset,'' Bush said of his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, on Oct. 7, 2004. "He declared at his convention speech that any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. That was the mind-set of the 1990s, while al Qaeda was planning the attacks on America. After September the 11th, our object in the war on terror is not to wait for the next attack and respond, but to prevent attacks by taking the fight to the enemy.''

That "Sept. 10 mindset'' recurs in the talking points of the White House - both in the speeches of Vice President Dick Cheney and at the podium of the West Wing, where former Press Secretary Scott McClellan said near the eve of the 2004 election, on Oct. 20: "You know, there is a very clear choice when it comes to how to lead to win the war on terrorism.... The president has a comprehensive strategy to prevail in the war on terrorism. Senator Kerry has a pre-9/11 mindset that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the war on terrorism.''

Now the words are coming around again,with the McCain campaign criticizing Obama's stance on the detention of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. McCain has sharply criticized the Supreme Court for permitting detainees to challenge their detention in federal court, calling it one of the worst rulings ever. Obama supports the habeas corpus rights of detainees to take their pleas to a judge.

In a conference call with reporters today, Scheunemann, the McCain campaign foreign policy adviser, said Obama represents "the perfect manifestation of a Sept. 10 mindset."

"If a law enforcement approach were accurate, then you wouldn't have had Sept. 11," explained Kori Schake, a McCain policy adviser.

Scheunemann has served as foreign policy adviser to retired Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi and as a consultant on Iraq to former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and also campaigned for McCain in 2000. The adviser's words suggests that the McCain campaign of '08 is ready to borrow some big pages from the Bush playbook of '04, when the president warned that his rival would leave the United States vulnerable to terrorism.

The latest dustup over the "Sept. 10 mindset'' stems from an interview that Obama had with ABC News, in which he discussed the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and said it hadn't been necessary to hold the suspected culprits in a detention facility such as Guantanamo -- federal prisons and courts worked fine.

"And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that (with suspects detained after Sept. 11) has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, 'Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims,' " Obama said. "We could have done the exact same thing, but done it in a way that was consistent with our laws."

Former CIA Director James Woolsey joined McCain campaign advisers on a conference call with reporters today. They suggested that the legal tactic taken in 1993 is "precisely what failed," and that if the evidence used in targeting those responsible had not been under grand jury seal then "that would have given (us) a good chance to have prevented 9-11."

"It was a miserable failure," Woolsey said.

Scheunemann evoked the "3 am phone call'' that Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign imagined in television ads challenging Obama's readiness for the White House.

"I guess his response would be to call the lawyers and the Justice Department," Scheunemann said.

That would be, of course, a "Sept. 10 mindset.''

That's the mindset of Democratic leaders in general, suggests Vice President Dick Cheney, who told an audience in April 2007 that "their prevailing mindset, combined with a series of ill-considered actions in the House and Senate over the last several months, causes me to wonder whether today's Democratic leaders fully appreciate the nature of this danger that the country faces in the war on terror -- a war that was declared against us by jihadists. a war in which the United States went on offense after 9/11, a war whose central front, in the opinion and actions of the enemy, is Iraq.''

Cheney also told the Heritage Foundation that month: "Today, as the United States faces a new kind of enemy and a new kind of war, the far left is again taking hold of the Democratic Party's agenda.

"The prevailing mindset, combined with a series of ill-considered actions in the House and Senate over the last several months, causes me to wonder whether today's Democratic leaders fully appreciate the nature of the danger this country faces in the war on terror -- a war that was declared against us by jihadists, a war in which the United States went on offense after 9/11, a war whose central front, in the opinion and actions of the enemy, is Iraq.''

In March of 2006, at a rally for troops at Charleston Air Force Base, Cheney had said: "As we get farther away from September 11th, some in Washington are yielding to the temptation to downplay the threat, and to back away from the business at hand. That mindset may be comforting but it is dangerous. We're all grateful this nation has gone for more than four years without another 9/11.''

Scheunemann, who helped found the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which advocated military engagement following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, was a member of the Project for the New American Century, a think tank founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan in 1997. It espoused a "Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity.'' McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut also were affiliated with it.

And they, as they are certain to explain, definitely have a post 9/11 mindset.

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Hey didn't Obama's buddy, William Ayers, publish a piece in the NYT saying how unsorry he was for bombing buildings on September 10?


Obama represents the failed policies of the past. The pre-9/11 past.


So what exactly was the mindset of the Bush administration on Sept 10th 2001? 9/11 happened on their watch. So one can assume that Bush and his minions changed their mindset very quickly. So now, if there shoul dbe an attack on Obamas watch, everyone will blame him for said mindset, but wont ever blame Bush for having the same prior to 9/11. The bottom line is that no one can predict what may or may not happen with the minds of these jihadists. The republicans can only scare Americans into a frenzy so many times before we all wake up and say ENOUGH!
GoBama Go!


The intelligence services were doing everything with in normal bounds and a little beyond to warn Bush of an impending terrorist attack.


It was Bush and his neocon corporatist buddies that had the September 10th mindset.


Whether it was on purpose, just ignorance, or preoccupation with scheming to rob the treasury is open to debate.


But let's not forget that some of the people that John McSame is surrounding himself with are those very same people that failed us on the lead up to the next day.


It was not the fault of the intelligence agencies, but completely the fault of Bush that so many Americans died here on our own soil on September 11th, 2001.


Scot, there is no excuse for having a Sept. 10, 2001 mindset seven years AFTER the fact. Perhaps the Bush administrion had a wrong mindset on that date, but they've had it right since then (but most everyone had the wrong mindset on that date). Obama having a Sept. 10 mindset seven years AFTER the fact is inexcusable and dangerous.


Mr. Straight Talk hires another advisor who is also a lobbyist. USA Today, May 21:

"John McCain's top foreign policy adviser lobbied the Arizona senator's staff on behalf of the republic of Georgia while he was working for the campaign, public records show.

Randy Scheunemann, founder of Orion Strategies, represented the governments of Macedonia, Georgia and Taiwan between 2003 and March 1, according to the firm's filings with the Justice Department."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-20-McCainadviser_N.htm


Sooooo, I guess the September 11th mindset is that we can't go after terrorists within the bounds of the Constitution?


HAHAHA! When is McCain going to stop walking into this stuff?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/16/1101/59981/423/536555

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McCain has 'sold his soul' to the very same Washington lobbyists as well as the Bushites and their discredited foreign & domestic policies that he once railed and fought against, in order to gain his current nomination.
The wheels have long since come off McShame's once admired 'Straight Talk Express'!
It now sits at the 'political roadside' as a rusting monument to McCain's willful and shameful hypocrisy!


Exactly what is the post 9/11 mindset? Attack a country with an evil dictator that had nothing to do with 9/11? Spend 1/2 trillion dollars that we will borrow from China and Saudi Arabia? Let our dollar become worth less than the Canadian dollar?
Whatever happened to Geaorge Bush saying whatever rock you hide under we will find you?. Are we that afraid of Pakistan that we stopped at the border? Oh, I forgot, Pakistan is a soviergn nation. Or maybe it is because Pakistan has nukes. No wonder Iran wants some.
September 11th will remain a tragedy. It is unfortunate that our response to it was a travesty.


Perhaps the Bush administrion had a wrong mindset on that date, but they've had it right since then (but most everyone had the wrong mindset on that date). Obama having a Sept. 10 mindset seven years AFTER the fact is inexcusable and dangerous.

Posted by: Green Trees | June 17, 2008 1:29 PM


Yeah, if you like shredding the constitution, imprisoning people for years without bringing charges and listening to Americans phone calls without a warrant...then I guess BushCo and McCain got it right.


I love how Repuglicans like Green Tree's are always the first one's to raise their hands and volunteer to give up more of their constitutional rights everytime BushCo says Boo.


Green Trees -- so attacking a country that didn't have anything to do with 9/11 is the post- 9/11 plan? It would seem to me that if we were taking the fight to the terrorists we'd go where the terrorists were .. oh wait... still are... and not attack somebody else.

I thought we attacked Iraq because of their WMDs... oh wait... they didn't have any. I thought we attacked Iraq because the Iraqi government was supporting Al Qaeda, oh wait... those are two different sects of Islam... I thought we attacked Iraq because of Saddam and the Iraqi people would shower us with flowers... oops.

Let's face facts -- the Bush policy was and is a failure. We invented a front on the war on terror which has made the middle east less stable. Because of the lowered taxes we've had to borrow most of the money for this war from the Chinese who are now taking their new found creditor power to buy a LOT OF OIL, which pushed up the price of oil for us.

McCain wants to continue all of this because its worked so well so far. Yikes...


"MCCAIN SPEAKS"

LETS LET DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO IS BEST ON THE WAR ON AMERICA!
LETS LET DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO IS BEST ON THE WAR ON TERRORISM
LETS LET DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO IS BEST ON THE ECONOMY
LETS LET DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO IS BEST ON "DETENTION OF DETAINEES"
LETS LET DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO WILL BE "SUPREME COURT JUSTICES"
LETS LET DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO WAS RIGHT ABOUT GEORGE "PRESCOTT" BUSH JR'S "SEE SPOT RUN SEE AMERICA RUN" SEPTEMBER 11 SPEECH!
LETS JUST NOT LET CONDI READ ANY "PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEFS" IN AUGUST OF 2008.
DER FUEHRER HAS SPOKEN!
NO IMMUNITY, NO PROTECTION LIABILITY
LETS LET THE DER FUEHRER DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO BE "PRESIDENT"


The fear-mongering approach was very effective for Rudy Giu9/11iani. Good luck with that, McSame.


At least McCain doesn't plaster on the make-up like a trollup. He's the right man, at the right time
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Way to go, Steu. You've hit on the most critical issue of our day. Sure, McCain would be the same as four more disasterous years of Bush, but at least he doesn't cover his pasty cottage cheese complexion with make-up when he stands in front of the lime green jello colored backdrop to give a yawner of a speech to a dozing crowd. Can I hear a big giant Hooray for McBush from all four of his adoring fans?


Hey Steu, I dont know where you've been but HRC lost the nomination so what "Make-Up" are you referring to?


That sound you hear is McCain sucking up (again) to the far right.


Obama needs to do what Kerry didn't do in 2004 - state the truth, state it loudly, and state it often: 9/11 HAPPENED ON REPUBLICAN'S WATCH.


All this talk about a pre-9/11 mindset is just an elaborate diversion from the reality that all the tools to monitor, prevent, apprehend and try terrorists in the U.S. existed on Sept. 10. But the Republicans, who failed this country miserably over the past 7.5 years, need to convince the majority of the electorate that somehow things are different now. The only thing different is that the most incompetant, dishonorable president in our history was in charge on 9/11, instead of someone qualified for the job. Fortunately, unlike in 2004, enough people have awoken to this fact.


Does anyone really care if American military men and women put some underwear on the head of people who have killed or plan to kill Americans. Now if these guys were caught in Iraq attacking US troops than sorry but as a former Marine I have very little sympathy towards them. Releasing them will directly result in more Americans dead in Iraq and other places. Now if they were just rounding people up off the streets that is different. But from what I understand is that all of these people were arrested for a reason. Until the war is over they should be held. The problem is very few people have a military mindset and Obama is one of them. You have to think of it from a soldiers point of view. If keeping these guys locked up is helping US Marines and Army service men than WHAT IS THE PROBLEM???


Vinny,
So John McCain deserved to be tortured and held for 5 years? After all keeping him locked up for 5 years ensured he couldn't go on any bombing runs. Be careful before you answer. We are waiting.


"Paul" said: "Obama needs to do what Kerry didn't do in 2004 - state the truth, state it loudly, and state it often: 9/11 HAPPENED ON REPUBLICAN'S WATCH."

OK, fine. But you apparently forget that 9/11 was the SECOND time that Islamist extremists attempted to take down the WTC. The first time was in 1993 under Clinton's watch, in a massive bombing that took out 5 floors of heavily reinforced concrete in the North Tower's underground parking facility that served as the foundation of the North Tower itself. Here you can see a picture of the damage (you have to look carefully to recognize cars, as there's not much left of them):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WTC_1993_ATF_Commons.jpg

So the 1st attempt occurred shortly after Clinton took office. The 2nd attempt (successful) occurred shortly after Bush took office. As time goes on, memories fade... did you remember the 1993 bombing? If you did, were you thinking about it on 9/10 of 2001? Even if someone mentioned it on 9/10, would you have thought for a moment that another terrorist attack was right around the corner? No, we start to get complacent as time goes on. There hasn't been another successful massive terrorist attack in the U.S. since then, possibly due to increased dilligence of the current administration. "McSame", as you like to call him, promises to continue that dilligence. Obama promises to increase our complacency.


"Now if they were just rounding people up off the streets that is different. But from what I understand is that all of these people were arrested for a reason."

Well, friend, you understand wrong. They weren't all arrested for a reason, at least not a good one.

http://www.kansas.com/766/story/435473.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5248091

The laws about treatment of prisoners exist to help your fellow Marines too, Vinny. The next time one is captured, what is the US going to say if they are abused? "Do as we say, not as we do?"


Ok Mark, so the first attempt on the WTC happened as Clinton took office, so then based on yours and the rest of the republicans accounts that the second attack was Clintons fault then it would be right to say that the first attempt was due to Bush 1sts fault right? The point is that after the first attempt the US was not attacked on its soil throughout the rest of Clintons term. So again, whats your point?


I dont think anyone saw 9/11 coming.....so you cant blame the prez on that one.....

What you can blame is the action taken after 9/11...

The 2 reasons we went to war: Saddam had WMD's and he had ties to Al Quaida

The McBush campaign has criticized Obama about his foreign policy when he would have saved us 400 billion, a failing economy, horrible standings in the international arena, thousands of lives, and failing morale at home....

Obama 08
For Reason, Wisdom and Change


"But from what I understand is that all of these people were arrested for a reason. Until the war is over they should be held. "

Posted by: Vinny | June 17, 2008 3:04 PM"


Vinny -- first, if "all of these people" were indeed arrested for a reason, then why not bring them to trial, sentence them, and put them behind bars PERMANENTLY? That's the way Americans do things, not like some third-world dictator who just makes them disappear. This is beneath us!


Scot S. Blakeley said: "...So again, whats your point?"

My point is that the more times that a reasonable person gets slapped in the face by irrational people around him, the more that reasonable person will do to prevent the irrational people from getting close to him to do it again. Happens once? OK, be on guard again for a while... then we tend to become complacent. Happens again? OK, let's be more vigilant about it since we see a pattern... Take proactive measures to ensure it doesn't happen again. But Obama would have us go back to "wait and see, then react again" law-enforcement-style tactics. We've seen that this strategy doesn't work with irrational religious zealots, yet that's exactly where Obama wants to take us. Yes, we have a mess in Iraq that perhaps we wouldn't be in if we had done things differently, but the right course of action at this point is to stay the course & stand with Iraq until it's stable... even if that takes 20 years. If we peter out now, we haven't helped anything; we've just made things worse.

But you should note that my original post was not a reply to your own; it was a reply to "Paul," who simply proclaimed that 9/11 happened on the Republican's watch, as if 9/11 is strictly the fault of the all Republicans. Your claim was similar, but not quite so ridiculous as Paul's claim.

One of your claims is that if another attack happens on Obama's watch, everyone will blame Obama for his mindset even though 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. And Bush had a similar mindset before 9/11 and yet people don't blame Bush for that mindset, so why should they blame Obama? Well, let me re-state it:

The more times that a reasonable person gets slapped in the face by irrational people around him, the more that reasonable person will do to prevent the irrational people from getting close to him to do it again.

We've now seen the cost of becoming complacent about Islamist extremists (if not extremists of any sort). Rational people realize we can't do that again. Anything less is simply ignoring the past: Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.


Now if these guys were caught in Iraq attacking US troops than sorry but as a former Marine I have very little sympathy towards them.........WHAT IS THE PROBLEM???

Posted by: Vinny | June 17, 2008 3:04 PM

The 1st problem is all you rightwing chickenhawks waging the wrong war thru fear. The 2nd problem is there are no former Marines. Semper Fi if you deserve it.


McCain and Bush have allot to answer for both pre and post 911. That said, all they have is attacks on Obama. Nothing more. The Bush and Cheney dropped the ball on terror. Just look at what happened this week in Afghanistan. Speaking of 911 fifteen of the attackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon. So Iraq was involved how???


Here are Obama's comments on the effectiveness of neo-con policies regarding detention and terrorism following his meeting today with his Senior Working Group on National Security.

http://thepage.time.com/obama-remarks-on-detainees-and-afghanistan/


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