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Live-blogging the Democratic primaries in Indiana and North Carolina

Posted May 7, 2008 1:15 AM



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by Mark Silva

It was after midnight, Central time, and the mayor of Gary, Ind., was explaining on national cable television news why it had taken his county so long to count the vote.

"They're counting them as we speak,'' Mayor Rudy Clay said on CNN. "Right here in Lake County, all we can do is count our votes.''

And, sure enough, within minutes the Lake County election tally reached 98 percent of the vote - and Barack Obama's gains on Hillary Clinton were slowing.

"It looks right now that she is positioned to squeak by in Indiana,'' said Wolf Blitzer, who quickly pivoted to the more formal CNN declaration at about 1:12 am EDT. "We can now project that Hillary Clinton will win, will win, the state of Indiana.''

* * *

Oh boy, late-night clouds of conspiracy had gathered.

As the results of Indiana's close primary election were delayed by Lake County's prolonged vote-counting, the network news commentators were starting to question the integrity of the ballot-count in Hammond, Gary and environs.

Jeff Toobin, the legal analyst turned political commentator, was openly suggesting on CNN that this unusual release of the tally smacked of Chicago-style vote-counting: Withholding the results of a county likely to favor Sen. Barack Obama until the rest of the close count in the state was completed.

"HBO has a movie coming out in a couple weeks about the recount in Florida,'' said Toobin, a veteran of the 2000 Florida recount. "It was very similar that night in Florida where the margin kept shrinking and shrinking.''

"Why haven't they at least given us some of the votes?'' Wolf Blitzer asked as the evening wore on.

"As Ricky Ricardo would say, they have some 'splaining to do,'' said John King. "It begs the question, what's taking so long.''

It was close to midnight before Lake's first returns arrived at the CNN news desk, comng mainly from Gary -- and running 75-25 Obama.

"We didn't think the whole country would be focusing on Hammond, Ind.,'' said Tom McDermott, mayor of Hammond, Ind., a Clinton-supporter who turned his city's vote counts in to Lake County early this evening and says Clinton narrowly carried Hammond. And yes, the mayor was saying, this is pretty close to Chicago.

* * *

"Not too long ago, my opponent made a prediction,'' Clinton said in Indianapolis tonight. "He said I would win Pennsylvania, he would win North Carolina and Indiana would be the tie-breaker.... Well, we've come from behind, we've broken the tie and thanks to you it's full-speed on to the White House.''

Speaking before the final votes had been counted in Indiana - with her advantage over Sen. Barack Obama in the state narrowing, and many Obama-leaning precincts still unreported - the senator was careful to take the stage before the run of evening broadcast television news. She stood with husband Bill, the former president, and daughter Chelsea behind her.

Clinton was still talking about cutting gas taxes on stage tonight, too, and health insurance, and mortgage foreclosures. But, with a 52-48 percentage point split in Indiana hovering over her, and the final votes uncounted, Clinton was stopping just a shade short of celebrating any personal triumph.

"Fundamentally, I believe that Americans need a champion in their corner,'' Clinton said with a hint of the inevitable party unity that will follow this primary campaign in her talk. "I think standing up for working people is about the American dream and the Democratic Party... It is important, as we go forward in this campaign, that we recognize we are all on the same team.''

Did she say dream team? No, same team.

* * *

That "tie-breaker'' that Obama was hoping for in Indiana was turning into a near-tie the longer the vote-count went in the state tonight.

With Clinton's advantage over Obama narrowing, the uncounted votes of northwestern Lake County -- with Gary and Hammond offering happy-hunting for the senator from neighboring Illinois -- were holding up the declaration of a winner.

Obama all but ceded Indiana to Clinton tonight in his North Carolina victory speech, but would this become a Trumanesque moment? Lake promises late results.

But the glass already was more than half-full for Obama:

* * *

"Thank you, North Carolina,'' Obama said in Raleigh tonight.

"There were those who were saying that North Carolina would be a game-changer in this election. But today what North Carolina decided is that the only game that needs changing is the one in Washington, D.C.''

Obama congratulated Sen. Hillary Clinton "for what appears to be her victory'' in Indiana - though at this point the Indiana race had not been called yet.

Obama, who has confronted questions about his ability to "close the deal'' with Democratic voters in big states, hailed North Carolina as "a big state... a swing state... a state that we will compete to win if I am the Democratic nominee for president of the United States.''

And, while the party's primary contest appears still far from finished, Obama delivered tonight what very much sounded like the clarion call of a nominee.

"This primary season may be over, but when it is, we will have to remember who we are as Democrats,'' Obama said. "And we are at our best when we lead with principle... when we summon an entire nation to a common purpose, a higher purpose.''

* * *

How now the Rev. Jeremiah Wright?

The now-retired and controversial former longtime pastor of Sen. Barack Obama has played a larger than life role in the Democratic Party's presidential primary campaign for the past two monhs.

What role did he play today?

Half of the voters leaving polling places today in North Carolina and Indiana told pollsters that Wright - known nationwide for remarks about racial power that Obama has denounced as unacceptable - was important in their choice of a candidate.

Among these voters, exit polling today found, seven in 10 in Indiana and six in 10 in North Carolina voted for Clinton, including eight in 10 white voters. Voters discounting Wright as a factor heavily favored Obama.

. Overall, six in 10 white voters in both Indiana and North Carolina supported Clinton -- similar to her margin over Obama among whites nationally so far.

The findings come from exit polling by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for The Associated Press and television networks. Pollsters interviewed 1,738 voters in Indiana's Democratic contest and 1,717 in North Carolina, with a possible margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points in each state.

* * *

With Clinton claiming a lead in the early counting of ballots in Indiana, CBS News has called the Indiana primary for the senator from New York. The other networks, however, were holding out for a fuller look at the numbers.

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign, maintaining that the Illinois senator's victory in North Carolina tonight represents a revival of his momentum, suggested that Clinton cannot overcome Obama in the remaining contests and battle for superdelegates.

"The math is the math, and I know math has been reinvented several times here,'' said David Axelrod, Obama's chief campaign strategist. "I think the reality of this is that, from this point on... Sen. Clinton would have to win close to 70 percent of the remaining delegates, both pledged delegates and super-delegates. That's a really tall order... We believe this momentum is going to continue to build.''

* * *

Join us here this evening for the story that refuses to end.

When polls closed in the two biggest states with remaining Democratic Party primary elections in this protracted contest for the party's 2008 presidential nomination, the story was not likely to close.

But the Swamp would be here, live-blogging through the evening.

* * *

Obama held a strong advantage in North Carolina from the start of his contest with Hillary Clinton there. And exit polling found that Obama built a sufficient base of support among white voters - with 36 percent supporting him there - in addition to solid backing in the African-American community, 91 percent.

In Indiana, while 34 percent of white voters without a college degree backed Obama, 65 percent supported Clinton, exit polling there found. Yet among white voters without a college degree in North Carolina, Clinton held a wider advantage, claiming 68 percent to Obama's 24 percent.

Clinton, despite her loss in North Carolina and a potential win in Indiana tonight, will be replaying these demographic numbers for superdelegates whom she is trying to convince that she, not Obama, is the Democrat who can beat Republican John McCain in November. Obama, for his part, will be touting his win in North Carolina.

* * *
At the closing of the polls in North Carolina, CNN, CBS News, FOX News and the Associated Press have called the Democratic primary election there for Barack Obama - a measure of how strong a margin the senator from Illinois has achieved there in a contest with Hillary Clinton.

* * *

A lot of money and effort went into convincing the voters of Indiana that Hillary Clinton cares about the working class and Barack Obama does not - the centerpiece of their struggle, a battle over federal gas taxes.

Yet look at what exit surveys of voters leaving the polling places in Indiana found when people were asked if the candidates share their values:

 62 percent said Clinton does, and 37 percent said she does not.

 65 percent said Obama does, and 33 percent said he does not.

Sounds like a wash on the out-of-touch meter.

* * *
A 7 pm EDT, with the closing of the polls in Indiana, CNN is announcing that, based on the results of exit polling, it is impossible to call the contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Early actual returns are favoring Clinton, but they are very early.

Should the contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton end with a split decision in Indiana and North Carolina - with close finishes possible in both places - the Democrats at best are likely to split the pledged delegates at stake and press on toward the remaining several primaries in Nebraska and West Virginia (May 13), Kentucky and Oregon (May 20), Idaho (May 27) and Montana, New Mexico and South Dakota (June 3.)

There are 187 pledged delegates at stake today - with 72 in Indiana and 115 in North Carolina. There are another 217 at stake through June 3.

Yet 366 still are in dispute in Florida and Michigan, penalized for holding their parties in January contrary to party rules. And the senator from New York is signaling that she will include those delegates in the ultimate count of what's needed to secure her party's presidential nomination.

Obama, leading in the popular vote of the undisputed primaries and holding a nearly 150 lead over Clinton in pledged delegates, is attempting to make the same case that Clinton is making to the party "super-delegates'' who ultimately settle the contest: He, or she, is the electable one.

The two-front primary contest between Clinton and Obama finished today in two states that the GOP hopes to include in its winning columns in November. And in both places, Clinton and Obama had fought for the rural and working-class Democratic voters whom their party hopes to court in a heated fall contest with Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

In Indiana in particular, the two Democrats fought over a federal gas tax that Congress appears unlikely to suspend this summer - with Clinton playing her support for a "gas-tax holiday'' from the 18.4-cent-per-gallon federal levy as a matter of sympathy for working-class voters facing soaring gas prices, and Obama dismissing the plan as another false Washington "gimmick'' that won't really alleviate gas prices.

"What's happened to Barack Obama,'' the narrator of a Clinton campaign ad asked. "He's attacking Hillary's plan to give you a break on gas prices... because he doesn't have one... Barack Obama wants you to keep paying, $8 billion in all... Hillary is the one who gets it.''

"Hillary Clinton, pandering for votes, and not telling the truth,'' replied the narrator of an Obama-supporting ad run by Friends of Earth Action. "Clinton's siding with John McCain on a gas tax plan that will do nothing to lower the cost of gas... On Tuesday it's time for a change.''

Obama admitted to a tough fight for that blue-collar vote.

"It's really a mixed bag,'' the senator from Illionis said. "There've been some states where we have won the blue collar vote. Wisconsin. We won it in Iowa. We won it in Minnesota. Then there are other states where we've not done so well, mainly because people are much more familiar with Sen. Clinton and President Clinton and their track record.

"You have to give them credit," Obama said of his opponent, and her husband, the former president who has campaigned tirelessly for her.

"They're the best established brand name in Democratic politics, maybe in politics overall,'' Obama, a first-term senator, said. "They've been on the scene for 20 years. They're not going to go down easy."

Indeed, Clinton has suggested that the finish line for this contest remains a little further down the road - with a delegate-count for claiming the party's nomination that includes Florida and Michigan alike.

With 2,025 delegates needed to claim the nomination among delegations whom the party plans to seat in Denver this summer, Obama has cornered 1,745 and Clinton 1,602.

The remaining numbers rest with the voters of Indiana and North Carolina today, several more states in the final month ahead - and ultimately in the hands of party super-delegates who call the race.

"I think it's 2,209," Clinton said of the winning number.

And signaling that her campaign does not stop here, she said: "I think that it's going to be the rest of these contests, which are very significant.

"And then in June, if we haven't done it already, we're going to have to resolve Florida and Michigan," Clinton said. ""nd they were legitimate elections. People came out and voted

"If you count them, I'm ahead in the number of people who voted. It's a close delegate race. It's a close vote total and we're going to have to figure out how we fulfill the wishes of the voters in those two important states."

Asked if she could remain in the race regardless of the outcome of the remaining voting, Clinton said she is "interested in finding out what the voters actually think because there's all kinds of speculation."

"It would be like predicting who's going to win the Indy 500 before it even started. We don't know," said Clinton, who campaigned with Indy race car driver Sarah Fisher in the home-stretch for the Indiana primary.

"Just so you know," said Fisher, who gave the candidate a tour of her $1-million racing machine, "we don't have reverse in this car."

The Indiana primary, in particular, tested the sentiments of voters who could easily cross party lines in an open primary.

And the Indianapolis Star has found Republicans voting Democratic, some with a sense of mischief, some a sense of adventure.

Among them was Meghan Ward-Bopp, 24, who bucked family tradition and asked for a Democratic ballot so she could vote for Barack Obama, though she plans to vote for Republican John McCain in November.

"I'm a hardcore Republican," she said, "but it's about who I wanted in second place in case McCain doesn't make it. ... I don't like the way this country's been run in the last 20 years. I'm sick of the dynasty (of two families) that's been running things."

Jim Adams, 36, voted for Clinton "to keep the race going beyond Indiana,'' the Star reported. "He's a McCain backer and enjoys watching the Democrats fight.... In the end, I think McCain is going to win.''

Kate Hayward wore a T-shirt: "Another Mama for Obama." Her husband, a Republican, also voted for Obama, she said.

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Comments

I pray the people in Indian and North Carolina are smarter than the people in Ohio and Pennsylvania. We really need change!

Go Obama!

Obama 08!


What would the impact of winning the black vote in the south in the general election? This could be a great opportunity for the democrats.


Slay the HILLDABEAST, vote Obama 2008 http://hilldabeast.com/


Yes bill that would be a real shocker to see the Black vote go Democrat.
And bill, tell us again what an idiot the president is.


Make room at the glue factory, Eight Belles. Hillary's carcus is on the way in...


These returns were expected but the margin should be looked at closely, as to how the X-Over voters went for Obam in the Repub effort to stop Hillary at any cost/price, for they KNOW she will win the GE, and Obama will be blown away in a landslide..This should be looked at by the political junkies and to what it means.


what a suprise, blacks voting for obama, yeah and do you hear hillary crying racism? No you don't, but wright cries racism any chance he gets. how pathetic.


C'mon guys, don't be mean with your comments. Just speak the truth...that Hillary thought North Carolinians, black or white, would fall for her pandering, and they didn't. Thank you for your honest and considered votes, North Carolina!!!!


Will not be surprised if Billary wins Indiana. She actually sipped a beer with them! That's huge in that state!! And she wants to get them a free tank of gas...who in that statre could deny her?


What's up with Lake County? Are they having trouble counting votes?

GO BARACK!! What a great day this is.


Great speech by Barack. He's showing why he is capable of leading America out of this dark chapter in our history courtesy of Dick (son of satan) Cheney, and sock-puppet George (the dry drunk) Bush. McCain is four more years of Bush. Let change America with Barack Obama leading the way!!!


what a suprise, blacks voting for obama, yeah and do you hear hillary crying racism? No you don't, but wright cries racism any chance he gets. how pathetic.

Posted by: Betty | May 6, 2008 9:09 PM


I hear you crying racism for Hillary. I guess you and Rev. Wright have a lot in common.


Yes bill that would be a real shocker to see the Black vote go Democrat.
And bill, tell us again what an idiot the president is.

Posted by: whatnow | May 6, 2008 8:43 PM

Not in numbers like you may never have seen. He is a big idiot. He'll beat McBush again.


Why is Gary, Ind. and Lake County counting its ballots by hand and refusing to call in its votes? I suspect the Chicago democratic political machine has extended a tentacle down to its pollution dump, err, down to Gary.


Clinton has a 43,000 vote lead and will win Indiana. The margins won't matter, all she needed was a split and she got one of his neighboring states. All Hillary has to do now is split WV, Kentucky, Oregon and PR and then she can go nuclear and launch the plan to seat Michigan and Florida.

Howard Dean's dream of a nominee by June died tonight. Get ready for the nuclear option, kids.


It's 9:46 central time and Hillary just called a victory for herself and yes, she did go there, with that stupid gas tax holiday.

Nevermind that Lake county with about 15% of the precints is still out there. It is expected to be heavily Obama. Could this be her Truman moment? I think she lost a lot of ground by "staying the course" with the gas tax holiday out there alone at the end of that long limb.

She peaked at a lead of about 47,000 vote and has been trickling back to 40,000 at last count.

Everyone is waiting to see if she wins. It will be close.
She may win, but at best it was a push and she can't afford to stay in the same place at this point.

Dont't tell me it's about the the popular vote because she just got her @$$ handed to her in NC. That was truly a double digit win.

Oh don't tell me that she came from behind to win IN. She was in the poll lead the whole time except for a few days. She needed to put Obama away and she clearly lost ground tonight.

She needed to win several turns at the roulet table in a row and let it ride, but she didn't bet on black.


billr. Have you been asleep?.....the dems have been getting 90% of the black vote since LBJ.

The only problem with your brilliant thesis is Whites and Hispanics will swarm to vote for McCain.

Nice try Rip.

Paulo


what I really like about Obama is that he has milllions of grass-roots voters donating $25 each. Hillary has a handful of faithful old machine and her Chinese friends voting $1 million each. Norman Hsu was sentenced to prison, one of her million dollar men. Bill Clinton is still a defendant in the ongoing California trial for campaign fraud, that no one wants to talk about until after the primaries.


You know, what people are forgetting is that Obama is carrying 48 percent (to hillary's 52 percent) in INdiana without even counting the still-pending Gary (Lake County) precincts. That means he carried the vote of a LOT of very smart white Indiana voters, yes!!!! I predict a closer race than Hillary is bragging about. She expected to blow him out in Indiana as the favorite daughter of those home-town folks.


What a GREAT night!!.....for John McCain! Obama did the Republicans a favor by knocking off Hillary. The easier candidate for the Republicans to defeat will be Obama. Especially now that the "race card" has already been overused in the Dem primaries. When the Dems play the race card this time....nobody will even care!


Update! Update! I was right! Still counting Gary, INdiana votes but hillary's lead has now shrunk to TWO percent (51-49) according to ABC News Terry Moran!!! Obama, on the other hand carried the BIGGER state of North Carolina with a DOUBLE DIGIT lead


Are you guys STILL coming here with this fiction:

"what I really like about Obama is that he has milllions of grass-roots voters donating $25 each."

Save it for creative writing. Those "grass-roots supporters" include CEOs of oil companies, hundreds of lobbyists and hundreds of unregistered bundlers acting as lobbyists. The only that Obama's "paralell public financing" accomplishes is it circumvents the reporting laws so investigative reporters have to dig to uncover the lobbyists that have bought and paid for him. Save that tripe for your Obama rallies.

Understatement of the night goes to Michael Barone: "there aren't a lot of white college professors in the area around Gary."


You guys will never be credible as a news source if you continue to live blog for the Tribune on Eastern time. Gary reported 25% of their precincts just before 11:00 pm by the time used in both Chicago AND Gary. Calling it midnight makes it sound like they've done much worse than they actually have.

In DC, you're just the 4th string. Why not cover this election from the Midwest, where you could have been number 1. It would have been the easiest thing to do to have somebody in Crown Point, and you'd have the story the whole country wants right now.


GARY INDIANA has over 100,000 voters! ONLY 28 percent reported! I smell some BS!!!!!!!!!!!


Actually, Barone is ignorant, as are you. There are a number of white college professors who live in the Miller area of Gary. The truth is always more complex than those who try to paint it in, ahem, black and white. And you shouldn't post about things you know nothing about.


While blacks have historically voted big for Democrats, this time, the Clintons have PISSED them off so much that many are likely to stay home in the GE if Hillary gets the Dem. nod (not that Hillary will get there).

And let's not forget all the young and new voters who are also likely to stay home.

And sorry, lylepink, Hillary won the MAJORITY of Republican votes - and unlike the "Obamacon" voters, these Repub. voters pretty much stated that they are voting for McCain in the GE (Limbaugh's ditto-duds seemingly heeled his call).

Try to get your FACTS CORRECT next time.


Is it true that the polls closed 1 hour earlier than normal, that the Gary, Indiana mayor predicted IN MARCH that his region will give Senator Obama (who he endorsed) the win in IN, that the voting machines were in an area near the Airport and were 'brought in with no technical difficulties'? I don't believe Senator Clinton has done anything in such a matter...

If it is this close, then Senator Clinton should challenge the count, just as Senator Obama knocked off his initial competition when he first ran for the Senate:

www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,4762574,print.story

Thank you for the opportunity to post!


What? I was quoting Barone. If you think that small area is "a lot" of white college professors then you're the one who's ignorant and shouldn't be posting about things he knows nothing about.


Also, John I want your personal opinion on this. Don't you think that tonight's results will only convince the Clintons to go nuclear?

We all know that they don't like to lose. Hillary will romp in West Virginia and gain back some of the popular vote she lost tonight. Remember that the Clinton campaign responded to the Huffpo story about the nuclear option and not only DID NOT DENY that they were considering it, but gave a nuanced defense of their position that the votes of Florida and Michigan should be counted.

Knowing what we know about the Clintons what do you, as a democrat, think they'll do when push comes to shove?


Mayor Clay, who is also Chairman of the Lake County DNC, was just interviewed live on CNN. He did not do a good job representing Lake County. He kept talking about the 11,000 early votes that have to be hand-counted. John King asked him 3-4 times why they didn't release the machine count earlier while they continued to count the absentee/early votes. His explanation made no sense.


"standing up for working people is about the American dream"

- Hillary Clinton, speaking to blue-collar workers with Bill Clinton, the President of NAFTA standing behind her


Boy. Americans must be really stupid to be making this such a close election.


Rush Limbaugh has just put Hillary Clinton over the top in Indy.

Good night, ladies.


The Trib' reporting on Indiana has been disappointing. Even largely pro Clinton CNN and the right wing Fox conceded that it was only Limbaugh's Operation Chaos that gave Indiana to Clinton. On Democratic, Independent & genuine Republican crossovers, Barack WON Indiana, and did so by a larger margin than Clinton's nominal Limbaugh mischievous count.


I'm for Clinton, if for no other reason than the fact that she is a woman. And I am well within my rights. This country decided long ago that racism is bad but sexism is fine.


Shouldn't come as any surprise that Gary and Lake County Indiana can't get their votes together until the last minute. They were notorious for vote fixing when JFK defeated Nixon. Lake County is all part of the the Daley Crook County Machine. Obama will never carry Indiana in the general election though as there are way too many KKK sympathizers in the Hoosier state.


Wow! That's real convincing. Obama with a beer in his hand. I guess that means he's really not an elitist America-hater after all. Guess that means he's just one of the guys. Geez, that's all it takes. Hoist a beer before the cameras, and you instantly transform yourself into a white blue collar guy.

And if you drop a few names of some NASCAR drivers all the better.


This whole Lake County thing is funny. They seem like a kind of small backward county that did not prepare well for this election. Saw them on the news this morning and they seemed antiquated. That said Crown Pointe is in charge of those votes not Gary so the onus is on the folks who run the county from there even though Mayor Clay's explanation did sound extremely lame on CNN last night however the Mayor of Hammond was visibly Po'ed but things came in the way they should have. Also I am friends with lots of those $25 Obama donors. That is very very real. They donate every paycheck/primairy they can - even with the price of fuel and food going up. That guy has a base of small donors that is no joke. He might have large donors but his everyman donor as I like to call it is there and actively donating and therefore participating in the process on an unprecidented level. It is a new day in politics - I have NEVER seen anything like it before and it will probably be adopted by many candidates in the future.


You can't make this up - this is gonna go all the way up to the convention. You have to give Hillary credit for not giving up and you have to realize that this is tearing the dems apart - whoever wins, the supporters of the other are gonna be MIGHTY upset.

And neither "the vast right wing conspiracy" nor the "Republican hate machine" has even had to warm up - the dems are doing this all by themselves, to themselves and for themselves.

Campaign ad - 1) Clip from BO's speech on race a few months back 2) Clip from Wright's latest interview with Moyers 3) Clip from BO's speech basically renouncing Wright
4) Voiceover - will the REAL Barack Obama please step forward?


I'm sorry, but this post is not only in terribly poor taste, it's also a VERY over-the-top personal attack.


Make room at the glue factory, Eight Belles. Hillary's carcus is on the way in...

Posted by: strut2k | May 6, 2008 8:46 PM


Resko, The Teamsters endorsement coupled with offering an opinion to reduce Teamsters oversight, Wright, Ayers all this adds up to me. Dishonest.

It is also dishonest for Obama to not allow Michigan and Florida to count or re-vote and then hide his role in all of this. Clinton is really winning or closer because of Michigan and Florida both states would vote heavily for her today if there was a re-vote. I'll vote for McCain before I'll vote of Obama. 5 months won't change my mind.


The Clinton election was stolen right in Lake County, Indiana where there's a substantial Black population. Why did it take so long to count the votes. The handlers there obviously manipulated the votes. This is a clear indication that the voting process is fraud and that we desperately need a better system in which to operate in.

Congratulations to Sen. Obama and his Supporters! A job well done and much deserved. Change is in the air and the people are ready for it and feeling it. What a great day in history!!!!!!


Limburger strikes again! But there was NOTHING he could do about North Carolina! NOW its time the the Superdelegates to act like they have a pair. Clinton and Bush era is almost over!!!! I feel like one of the munchkins after that house landed on the witch!!!!


Bye-bye, Hillary!


I would like to welcome everyone to the 4 month long Bill and Hillary Ego Tour!

All idiots are welcome, check your brain at the door.


I would be curious to see how all of the primary elections would stack up had there been only these two candidates from the beginning.


To Betty (May 6 @ 9:09) Don't you think it's time to move on. People who care about the real issues don't want to hear about Wright or any of Rush Limbaugh's lies. Clinton won in Texas and squeaked by in Indiana, only because of the UnAmerican call by Limbaugh for Republicans to switch over and vote for Clinton, so that they could CHEAT Obama out of a victory. If you are that disillusioned with the peoples' choice, perhaps you should join the Clintons on a goodwill tour to Kosovo. Just remember to follow Hillary and duck and run when you get off the plane. Also, I would suggest wearing rubber boots while traveling with the Clintons, it will help in dealing with all the BS.


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