McCain to hecklers: No Iraq surrender: The Swamp
 
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Posted May 27, 2008 3:05 PM
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by Frank James

Sen. John McCain got some more practice today dealing with antiwar hecklers during his set-piece Denver speech on the dangers of nuclear proliferation. (Colorado, of course, is in play and Denver is the site of the Democratic National Convention, so McCain was clearly taking it to the Democrats in more ways than one.)

Anyway, he's been occasionally heckled on the campaign trail I'm told by a colleague who's covered his campaign a lot.

But as the same colleague also notes, McCain has had so many town meetings, it's not like voters haven't had plenty of opportunities to engage him on Iraq and other issues. So the heckling is really more about political theater and getting the media's attention since McCain has, at town halls, heard from plenty of voters who don't like his Iraq stance.

Anyway, he was repeatedly heckled today. It started when he was saying some nice words about his former Senate colleague, Hank Brown who once represented Colorado.

MCCAIN: ...Hank is a man of many dimensions and a person who I admire. And I know the people of Colorado share my view.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Off mike) -- war. Support the troops! (Off mike.) Stop the war!

SEN. MCCAIN: Thank you very much, Hank. Thank you very much. (Applause.) Thank you very much.

A few minutes later came this:

MCCAIN: ...Today we also need to apply our spirit of optimism, energy, and innovation to a crisis that's been building for decades but is now coming to a head: the global spread of nuclear weapons. Forty-five years ago, President John Kennedy asked the American people to imagine what the world would look like if nuclear weapons spread beyond the few powers that then held them to the many other nations that sought them. "Stop and think for a moment," he said, "what it would mean to have nuclear weapons in so many hands, in the hands of countries large and small, stable and unstable --
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Endless war! Endless war! Endless war!

SEN. MCCAIN: You know --

McCain was allowed to go on for a fer more lines before he was interrupted again. The Republicans in the audience tried a little counter chanting to help out the all-but-official Republican presidential nominee.

AUDIENCE: John McCain! John McCain! John McCain! John McCain!

SEN. MCCAIN: You know, it's not too important, but I have town hall meetings all the time -- I'll be having one tomorrow -- where people are allowed to come and state their views and we exchange them. And the one thing we don't do is interfere with other people's right to free speech. (Applause.) But that doesn't seem to be the case
with these -- with these people.

But anyway, if I could get back to Jack Kennedy, a second.

The hecklers, who were young in contrast to many in the audience, let McCain get on with his speech for a few more lines, then ambushed him once again:

MCCAIN: Likewise, we have seen Iran marching, marching with single-minded
determination toward the same goal, authenticated again today by the IAEA. President Ahmadinejad has threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and represents a threat to every country in the region -- one we cannot ignore or minimize. (Applause.)

AUDIENCE MEMBER: The U.S. is -- (inaudible). (Booing.)

AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (Inaudible.)

AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (Chanting.) John McCain! John McCain! John
McCain!
SEN. MCCAIN: You know -- thanks, my friend. Thanks. Thanks.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Sit down! (Laughter.)

AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible.)

AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible.)

SEN. MCCAIN: This is -- this may turn into a longer speech than you had anticipated. (Laughter, applause.) And by the way, I will never surrender in Iraq, my friends. I will never surrender in Iraq. (Cheers, applause.)

Thus, the hecklers were the perfect foil to allow McCain to use a line he's resolutely delivered a lot already and will most assuredly continue resolutely delivering all the way to November.

Sometimes heckling does more for the heckled than the hecklers. This appeared to be one of those cases.

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There is no courage in being a heckler,do they actually beleive their outburst's is going to change someones views ? I would not be surprised to learn that these idiots are paid by some political organizations.


Someone needs to ask John McBush to define the success in Iraq to which he refers.


Remember, McBush is the guy that thinks it's "normal" to do a little light shopping while wearing a bullet-proof vest and being escorted by an army platoon and circling combat choppers.


I'd hate to visit the shopping malls near his house
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/27/133548/113



Endless WAR! Pointless war.


Alternate caption: Now where was I?


And that is why we are going to have vote in Barack! Because he will never surrender to what AMERICANS want. McCANE, McSAME. Same OLD politics! And I emphasize OLD!!


McCain says he will never surrender, and Obama wants to surrender. My question is: surrender to whom? The Iraqis who want us to leave? The groups of Iraqis who are fighting each other? How does one surrender to any of those groups? This isn't WWII, we're not fighting a nation that we can surrender to. Does McCain know who we're fighting in Iraq?


Keith - a little confused by the phrase "because he will never surrender to what americans want." Are you saying most americans want the war? Maybe you should take a break from the name calling and read the paper. Of course, I hate the idea that someone knows what "the people" think or are acting for the "people." That is the language of dictators, not the language of the leader of a republic.


we need hecklers sorry folks these brave people can speak if they want to. McCain will never get elected...do we really want more Bush crap?


Well, it's pretty likely that the protesters were actually paid foils, delivering easily countered propaganda to make McCain seem stronger in the face of adversity.

Real protesters would have been silenced by his security detail promptly.


The Cult of Obama people were out in force in heckling John McCain today and trying to stop his speech. I guess this is the change Obama and his Cult followers keep talking about. They are in favor of free speech as long as the agree with it.


I have figured out why it is almost always the left wingers who feel the need to shout and heckle and create violence in the streets. It is because they have few sensible ideas and feel they must raise their voices or worse to get any attention. If their thoughts were at all compelling people would stop and listen without their nonsensical actions.


Did you think all that up by yourself Rick?


Hey Depot Jim,

Hecklers helped change America's thining about Viet Nam, they will help change the thinking behind Iraq.
What do you propose we do, stop free speech and continue in a war that can not be won? Do you propose to silence those who practice free speech in order to maintain the status quo of a losing administartion?
Free speech is the first step to change. Or do yo prefer everyone to remain like a republican zombie waving flags and cheering the empty rhetoric and war mongering McCain? War is over. Change is in the air so get ready buddy for a New World Order, one without the Bushies!


Well, it's pretty likely that the protesters were actually paid foils, delivering easily countered propaganda to make McCain seem stronger in the face of adversity.

Real protesters would have been silenced by his security detail promptly.

Posted by: duh | May 27, 2008 4:21 PM


Yeah, it's really hard to find people to protest our involvement in someone elses civil war (Iraq), one that is killing innocent people and draining our economy while the nuts who got us into the mess in the first place (McCain,Bush, Cheney) are getting stinking rich off of it (Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater etc).........NOT!


"The Cult of Obama people?" HAHA!!!!!! Some of you are certifiably crazy.

Using the term "surrender" is more GOP talking point crap. Next thing you know he'll break out the "flip-flop" and he'll start using Obama's middle name.


Maybe Chickenhawk Rick can tell us some of the "sensible ideas" he came up with during his second tour in Fallujah.

Surely you were there, right Ricky? Or you just another big mouth coward who talks tough so long as he doesn't have anything at stake?


I have figured out why it is almost always the left wingers who feel the need to shout and heckle and create violence in the streets. It is because they have few sensible ideas and feel they must raise their voices or worse to get any attention. If their thoughts were at all compelling people would stop and listen without their nonsensical actions.

Posted by: Rick | May 27, 2008 4:41 PM


Yes Rick, we should stifle all desent from the Bush/McCain monorachy, don't you think?


I mean, how dare those protesters speak out, do they think America is democracy or something? Maybe they haven't been paying attention during the last seven years of BushCo rule or something...


To Scot Blakeley: I am in favor of free speech and press. This is a right all Americans have and what makes America great. But speakers also have the right to be heard without being heckled and shouted down by people who do not agree with them. If this is the change the Obama Cult is advocating we are NOT going to have a "New World Order" as you call it but major disorder and anarchy.


Funny that the left supports the premise of free speech so long as it fits their underlying ideological project. I witnessed the same demagoguery as a college student whenever a conservative speaker visited my campus. McCain is more than willing to entertain these disparaging views in the hundreds of town halls he has already held throughout this campaign, a notable contrast to the scripted Obama who takes few questions from either the public or the media. Unfortunately, those on the fringe don't really want to engage in a mature debate. They want to drown out any ideas that infringe upon their limited world views.


Rick,
I agree, it's tooo bad those Radical American Revolutionaries had to cause so much trouble. Why couldn't they just remain quiet and write creative metaphorical poems critical of British rule over the colonies?


Sorry Depot Jim your analagies just don't cut it. Why don't you tell this to all of your republican hecklers who heckled Clinton for 8 years! Give me and the rest of us a break already. Your party lost its soul when Newt put out a contract on America!


Obama who takes few questions from either the public or the media. Unfortunately, those on the fringe don't really want to engage in a mature debate. They want to drown out any ideas that infringe upon their limited world views.

Posted by: buckybacker97 | May 27, 2008 5:23 PM


If Obama was on the wrong side of every single issue facing America right now, like John McBush is, you'd probably see protesters at his public gatherings too.


Get used to it Bucky, you ain't seen nothin' yet...


I cannot believe that we have a candidate running on a pro-war agenda. Our country's trade defecit runs into the billions, and were focused on street fighting in Bagdad!
Are you kidding me! Are Government has been purchased by special interest groups, :(


If you unravel the ball of yarn that the heckler brought in with them there would Fauxbama behind it.


Young punks having too much, sadly not brains.


"They are in favor of free speech as long as the agree with it."

That seems like a pretty stupid comment considering how often Obama has tried to support hillary's ability to keep running as long as she likes.


When did "Mission Accomplished" turn into "I will never surrender?" How did the negligible action that Bush people said would result in our being welcomed as liberators turn into SOMEBODY ELSE ATTACKED US? This kind of blighted military mind is just stupid. We cannot afford to be Rome and fight everybody in the whole world. We do not have the personnel to do it and there's nothing in it for the survival of anyone, not to mention the Mother Planet. What goes on in this kind of demented military fixation on honor? Have we counted up the Iraqi bodies? Why doesn't McCain want to support the returning troops? He is just out of touch. Dangerous and stupid.


Sorry for my earlier post... I meant to say that it is usually we conservatives like Bush who resort to creating "free speech" pens for people who don't walk in lock step with fortress America. I meant to say that I remembered this from attending the 04 convention where I was free from even having to see these leftist crazy people who try to work against war and the suffering it inflicts on the innocent. A nice loud chorus of USA, USA usually beats back these "we shall overcome" types.

I shall try to be more careful with some of these erroneous posts I make.


John McSame shouldn't worry about surrender, his pal Bush declared "Mission Accomplished!" many moons ago. We won. The war is over, just end the occupation. Give the Iraqis their country back and let's leave. “We marched in…We can march out.”


McCain-Bush doesn't get it. Capture, Kill or Surrender Osama Bin Laden and those responsible for 9/11. Bush has been on the wrong battle field and started a fight he can't end even after 5 years. This is an abject lack of leadership. You offer no change in the Bush policy. Leadership that we can Trust is what is required. Obama 08.


"Funny that the left supports the premise of free speech so long as it fits their underlying ideological project. "

Member of "the left" (i.e. anyone with a shred of sense regarding the Iraquagmire): (Insert any comment that strays remotely from utter and undying support of anything BushCo says/does)

Member of "the right": "Giving aid and comfort to the enemy! That's treason! Traitor!"

(Rinse, repeat for 5+ years...)


I'm sure their college professors gave them "extra credit" for that little stunt.


I think the young people -- i.e., "hecklers" (protesters) -- were just fine. They only need a little more practice, so they'll actually have time to speak their piece before they are escorted from the room.

The Stepford McBush supporters, on the other hand, are just plain predictable. In appearance and behavior -- middle-aged, economically comfortable, white people and functioning in lock-step.


you have got to be kidding me, the only country we are in engagement is Iraq, Afghanistan and anywhere else our enemies are. we are not all over the world in some kind of conquest that we are being portrayed at as in some of these posts. we are doing good and lest we forget the price of freedom. I want our soliders home to but the ones I know including myself have seen the good we have done


How do you win an illegal occupation from an illegal invasion? Ostensible mission was to take Saddam out of power. OK. And, the 16 word lie was proved to be a lie. Is the momentum from the Iraq folly greater than even one life? Greater than 4100 lives? Nothing in Iraq is Americas' to win. The Iraqis will be the ones to win or not. Bush and McBush are continuing to kill American soldiers due to their own ego-centric egos. Congress continues to obstruct justice by allowing The Big Lie to continue, and by allowing those telling The Big Lie to remain in power. A vote for McCain is a vote for continued death, killing, depletion and maiming. I guess that is sweet for some people.


The only thing McCain has going is the war. He has no knowledge on how to run a government nor the intelligence to figure it out. He is still in economic's 101 and has national health care provided by the tax payers. His pension he recieves is tax free paid by the taxpayer. Most of his staff are former lobbyist's. The war in Iraq should not be an asset to McNut. As a citizen of this great country I am totally embarassed that this country invaded Iraq. There is absolutely no justification for it. Not even with the lies and deceit which took us there. Whiteagle38


The "Hecklers"are starting to "HECKLE" It is going to be a five ring circus from now to election day, and after when mccain wins.

The Republican Convention is going to be a zoo,

VJ Machiavelli


Frank James knows so little about the Republican candidate that he admits to "asking a colleague" about vital questions.

Nonetheless, Frank James pontificates about McCain. Again. And again.

Tells you all you need to know about today's drive-by media.


You win the peace, same as we did in Germany. McCain showed he was made of sterner stuff in that Hanoi pit of hell. That's why he believes in our troops and they believe in him.
Remember Obama's "public service" speech where he ignored our soldiers and veterans on Memorial Day weekend and extolled the virtues of "peace activists." In Obama's warped world the protestors were the ones serving their country in this scenario. If you scream an expletive and follow it with NO! then you stand with McCain. There's no courage in being a heckler and I'm glad McCain put these rich kids in their place.


Terrible journalism. Inaudible is just laziness, you couldn't get one account of what they were saying or you just conveniently left it out. The people who started chanting "John McCain" were told before the speech that if anything broke out to start chanting that. Just pathetic.


McCain (just like Bush) will never, ever, surrender to reality!


Surrender to beating a dead horse?
McInsane is dangerous and knows nothing but war..
His memory is failing too..

I think we are DONE with the Bush and co..that means the McCain hug-up included.


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