DNC's Saturday rules fight: Live from D.C.: The Swamp
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In this corner, the Barack Obama campaign, willing to go more than half way. In the other, the Hillary Clinton campaign, seeking full seating of the delegations. The bout will be broadcast, live, by C-SPAN.

Posted May 30, 2008 8:00 AM
The Swamp

by Mark Silva

Just in case you have broken both ankles or they are predicting 18 inches of rain in your neighborhood on Saturday -- or if you are in any significant way invested in the hopes of Hillary Clinton's campaign for the White House -- C-SPAN plans to provide live coverage of the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting.

This is the one where one-half does not necessarily equal 50 percent, but where Barack Obama has promised to go "more than half way'' in accommodating Clinton in a resolution of the disputed convention delegations of Florida and Michigan.

Should the party revert to one of the options that it had all along -- denying Democrats in the two big and pivotal states half their delegates to the presidential nominating convention in Denver this summer for holding their primary elections in January, contrary to party rules -- the senator from New York could come out of the weekend meeting with a few more delegates. But not all that many.

Clinton, who carried Florida's uncontested party primary in Florida, and who appeared unchallenged on the Michigan ballot, is shooting for full representation.

The outcome of this somewhat arcane proceeding -- which will carry import far beyond the mundane resolution of a rules-battle -- will be broadcast live from the famous Marriott Wardman Park Hotel l in Washington, starting at 9:30 am EDT, Saturday.

OK, so the hotel's not famous.

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Senator Obama won and is our nominee for the Presidency !! Any other way and you have a disaster on your hands. Senator Obama has the prerogative to name his running mate, any other way and you have a disaster on your hands. Senator Clinton can run in 8 years, by then she would have gained all the experience and knowledge she had falsely claimed to have gained, while First Lady !!

I find it funny that the party that told us every vote counts is now saying now that they dont. This is exactly why I am an Independant. Both parties are such hipocrites. When the other party does it its disenfranchising voters but when they do it it is fine. How can an Obama supporter want to win an election this way? I would be ashamed that my candidate did everything he could to keep these 2 states from having a revote.



Large numbers of BUSH_McCain Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on with the backing and help of the medical and insurance industry. Under the direction of the George Bush, and Karl Rove vote fraud, and vote manipulation machine. Because they feel Barack Obama would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And they want to stop Hillary Clinton from fixing the HUGE! American, and Global mess they have created. shocking!!! isn't it. Just gotta love those good old draft dodging, silver spoon Texas boys. Not! :-(

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves off of you, and your children's suffering.

With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality affordable universal health care for everyone very soon. And you are also certain to see major improvements in the economy for everyone.

The American people face even worse catastrophes ahead than the ones you are living through now. It will take all of the skills, and experience of Hillary Clinton to pull the American people out of this mess we are in. Fortunately fixing up, and cleaning up others incompetence, immoral degeneracy, and mess is what the Clinton's do very well.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

Just look at Oregon for example. Obama won Oregon by about 70,000 votes. But approximately 79,000 Bush republicans switched party's back in January to vote for Obama in the democratic primary. They are not going to vote for, or support any Democrat in November. Are you DEMOCRATS going to put up with that. Are you that stupid, and weak. The Bush republicans think you are that stupid, and weak.

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton. This is even more phenomenal when you consider she has been also fighting against the George Bush, Karl Rove vote fraud machine in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Hillary Clinton is STUNNING!.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and Bush republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don't let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.

And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. :-)

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)


jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. Cynthia Ruccia - I'm with ya baby. All the way. "Clinton Supporters Count Too."

The old saying is "Democracy is the worst form of government save every thing else" that being the case we do not want any party/group/individual to deny a proper vote cast by a citizen whether it be in primary/muncipal/national or any other election.We have had our days of disenfranchisement days of women and minorities.However we have moved beyond those.Let us not reintoduce new disenfranchisements now.Count every primary vote in Florida and Michigan.

Bunch of Clinton crap. All smoke and mirrors. DNC is a joke. Just like saying McCANE and Schmuckabee are in a dead heat. Spare us the drama. Because I can count.

Barack Obama has class - no need to comment on Hillary's lack of it!

Superdelegates - please end this silliness.

This is exactly why I am an Independant. Both parties are such hipocrites.
Posted by: Vinny | May 30, 2008 9:16 AM

You gotta love the independents. Please let me know who is the independent candidate? Pleaese inform us as to the independent platform. I'll wash my hands of these 2 parties....and then I'll vote for one or the other.

Perhaps the Clinton commandos will storm the hotel and hold the committee hostage until they get what they want.

The democrat Party has nobody but Dr. Screamin Howard Dean for the George Wallace tactics of stealing votes from Hillary Clinton.
Why should Obama get any votes he readily admits he wasn't on the ballot. That's no excuse for taking Hillarys half out of her middle.
How do you get votes if you are not on the ballot?
Obama is claiming to be messianic how about a con man that makes more sense with the way he's treating the woman in the race: Hillary.
By the way, Father Fleger is making rascists remarks and Obama had to apologize along the way he said he is for black liberation theology well Obama don't apologize you are just like Jeremiah Wright his ideas are yours too.Anti white rascism on display.
Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Hillary has the right to the Florida votes-
Don't let them hood wink you Hillary-


Since you are in the party that stole two elections, please don't lecture us on voter disenfranchisement. Please go back to watching Fox News. Your comments have no credibility.

If a teacher goes against school policy, you don't punish the students, you punish the teacher! Why are the voters being punished for what the legislators did by moving the date!

If my vote is cut in half I'll divide my vote also! I voted Dem. in the primary & will vote Rep. in the general! I can live with that, but can the DNC & everyone else live with that!

If one does the math, it is nearly impossible for Clinton to secure the nomination even if all the Michigan and Florida delegates are included. Read more here: http://airitoutwithgeorge.blogspot.com/2008/05/dnc-rules-bylaws-committee-meets.html

Threatening anyone, doesn't achieve a whole lot, nor does it show any real maturity. You want to vote for the Ridiculous Republicans, vote for them. If you want to vote for the Democrats, vote for them, but please, stop with the tantrums. So what if your candidate didn't win, according to the rules, agreed upon when the primary season opened!! So you are going to throw a hissy-fit and vote for the Ridiculous Republican, go right ahead. We, Democrats, will still have our principles intact and you will be stuck with The Ridiculous Republicans !!!

uhhh i dunno if anyone knows, but i believe that the florida state legislature is in republican control. I don't know about michigan. They are the ones who moved the vote forward though. Seems to have worked pretty well the get the dems to fight amongst themselves. The DNC's laws clearly state that half of the delegates can be seated. Obama is just trying to play by the rules of the party. I guess the rules don't apply for the clintons.

"Hillary has the right to the Florida votes"? Is that the same Hillary who approved the DNC sanctions for Florida and Michigan?

You don't have to worry about her votes being counted. The DNC is going to seat 50% of the delegates from Florida and probably Michigan too, if they can get Clinton and Obama to agree on a fair way to split the Michigan delegates. She'll still lose of course, but the DNC will make sure Florida and Michigan are represented.


Republicans like you care about fairness for the Clintons? That's hillarious. Tell me, are Republicans required to lie about everything? Is it actually possible for you not to lie? Why would you consider the Michigan primary a valid election if only one candidate was on the ballot? Rumsfeld's old buddy Saddam used to call that democracy. Most Americans would disagree.

I voted Dem. in the primary & will vote Rep. in the general! I can live with that, but can the DNC & everyone else live with that!

Posted by: Gene_FL | May 30, 2008 1:04 PM

Gene....What did the people you contacted to complain to in your state tell you? I thinking it probably won't matter who you vote for in the general....your state will screw it up somehow anyway.

If my vote is cut in half I'll divide my vote also! I voted Dem. in the primary & will vote Rep. in the general! I can live with that, but can the DNC & everyone else live with that!

Posted by: Gene_FL | May 30, 2008 1:04 PM

So what did your teacher (elected state officials) say when you called them and complained? Judging by the last few elections, I don't think it will count no matter who you vote for. Florida will screw it up somehow. As someone from Florida, I would be questioning my elected officials, not playing some hissy fit act.

What state(s) will be next to lose their vote if the legislators decide to change the date just to negate your votes because they don't like that it's changing color (red to blue or blue to red). You'd feel different about it then if it happens to your votes!

Jerry in Springfield: Senator Obama has NEVER said he was "messianic". I think some of you are just jealous of him because of all of his positive attributes compared to McCain!!! He's relatively young, very well versed on the CONSTITUTION and very intelligent, not to mention very EVEN TEMPERED...JUST WHAT WE NEED IN A president!!!...by the way ...what's up with that dead-sounding VOICE of McCain's?...it's VERY ANNOYING!!!

jacksmith, step away from the koolaide.

Senator Clinton agreed to the rules the same as Sen Obama, but she has failed to abide by them. She knew the penalties, but is unwilling to accept them now because otherwise she'd have to admit the race was over a month or more ago as it was.

Abide by the agreement: 50% of the delegates are seated. Florida apportioned as voted, Michigan 50/50. How anyone can claim she "won" Michigan when there was no other name on the ballot is absurd.

As to Obama receiving all the cross-over votes from the GOP? Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the winger media were pimping for Sen Clinton, because SHE was easier for McCain to beat.

But like her, her supporters don't let facts get in the way of her continuing to allow McCain to campaign unchallenged. Her goal has never been for a Democrat to win the whitehouse. It was only for HER to win this year. If not this year, then let the GOP win so she'll have another chance in 2012.

Shameful, but not surprising. After all, she sought out Richard Scaiff's support after all.

Funny how you Dems still contend that the GOP stole 2 elections. Know what beat Al Gore? Florida you say? Nope. How about Tennessee? His home state! He did not carry his home state. That is what cost Gore the election. The people who know him best did not want him to be President. Get real and stop whining already. Now pick up your toys and go home.










OK, so the hotel's not famous.

Hey, I know where the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel is -- I've even attended meetings (and possibly one wedding reception) there. Of course, now I live outside of Denver, where I have to cope with 50-mile views of the Rockies and deer wandering through my property.

Broadcast live on C-SPAN, eh? I may have to check this out. ..bruce..

Hillary has been given ample opportunity to bow out of her lost campaign with dignity. In typical Clinton fashion, she has chosen to linger on for self-serving reasons and at the expense of the Democratic Party.

Patience has worn thin for Hillary; Pelosi, Reid, and the remaining Super-Delegates are poised to shut her down.

Hillary has some major amends to make to her NY constituency, especially the AA community, who have seen Hillary in her true colors!

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!


I'm tried of hearing what a horrible person Hillary Clinton is. What I'd like to hear instead is why Obama seems to be the choice of the Democratic Party. I'd love to hear the good reason for me to like Obama. I already know about Hillary, and she's not that bad folks. At least we know she will fight to the finish to win this election, and that's exactly what we need. We can't afford to have another roll over and play dead candidate. It's too important that we win this election. END of STORY!! Let's get on the boat and count all the votes no matter what it takes. We're Democrats, not Republicans. Let all the people decide.

Hopefully the two campaigns can reach some kind of compromise with the help of the DNC, perhaps somewhere between seating all or half of the FL and MI delegates.

That would mean seating something like 3/5 of the delegates of those two states - a suitable compromise and one not without precedent.

wow, jacksmith, you sound like you've been hitting the hillaryis44.com website a little too hard.
all crazy, conspiracy theorists aside, halfway sounds like a great way to support the rules, but not lose the voters in November.
and if it will make hillary realize she needs to stop making a fool of herself, more power to it.

CM Lowe - thank you for injecting a reasonable question into a food fight. There are plenty of lists out there describing Sen. Obama's good points, but off the top of my head to your question: He successfully inspired an unprecedented grass roots (read: democratic in the old meaning) group of people to learn, join the party, and go out and volunteer: he used this group, and his own decency and magnetism, to bring unprecedented numbers to the polls and to offer up their bank accounts; he justified their faith by overcoming the most well known, well-financed candidate in the history of this country...and he's done pretty well brushing off the mud in the meantime. Oh, and he converted my mid-60's mother and father to the Dem party. So that's what makes him a good Dem candidate. As for why he'll be a good (I think great) president? Respect for law, compassion for both the homeless and the generals, and a temperment which makes the whole bloody world want to get on his good side. Again, thanks for the reasonable question.

Would be interesting if the DNC makes good on "punishing" Florida and Michigan...then have the state legislatures one or both states meet in special session and strip the Democrats of ballot access so the DNC would have to gain the ballot in those states just like the Libertarions have too...by submitting petitions from ....voters....the ultimate hoisting on the DNC's petard...

Vinnie: I find it funny that the party that told us every vote counts is now saying now that they dont."

Yeah, curse those Republican and Democratic parties! Or were you not aware that the Republican party also laid sanctions on both Michigan and Florida and stripped them of half their delegates? So depending on how the rules meeting goes, both parties could end up treating the states in the exact same manner.

Party before country - this is what it's come to.....just the way the politicians want it. Neighbor against neighbor, divide and conquer and "here, I will be the one to save you from the evil other side - ELECT ME!"

What a pitiful joke on us while the people we send to Washington are just about guaranteed to get really rich for their "service".

Real Brother here.

I think it wrong for Senator Clinton to still be in the Race long after the people have decided that she is simply not a better choice then Senator Obama. For Hillary to suggest that a Black man is unfit to lead or is not the best choice to oppose John McCain for no other reason then his Race is also wrong.Also wrong(and stupid) is the claim by so many that what the Republicans did in denying over 500,000 Black votes in Florida and Ohio by challenging them based on the LIE the those voters were Black and therefore may have Felonies which prohibited their votes is the same as punishing Florida and Michagan for breaking the Party rules,these cases are not analogus.Also lame is Hillary leaving her name on the ballot in Michagan and for campaigning in Florida when she,Obama and the Party agreed no one would. Hillary go home and we'll catch up to you in 12 years.

No Sellout.

The legislatures of each state spend that stste taxpayer monies to pay for the primaries in that state. So the GOP or DNC do not have the authority to tell the state on which day they want to spend the stste monies on primaries. It is the DNC or GOP who are punishing that states voters when they are not allowed to be counted. Put the blame where it blongs, surprised some of you wackos arn't blaming it on BUSH after all the MSM and DNC has had him the fault of everything else bad that has happened worldwide for the last 7 years. Is Bushs' fault.

I am an Obama supporter. I think we should count all of the votes. The fact of the matter is that Obama essentially has the nomination wrapped up. The super delegates will flood to him after this weekend, even if the FL and MI votes are counted.
Democrats need a way to unite in Novembers, and counting the votes are the glue to paste them back together. Clinton supporters will have to admit that Obama won all "50 states", and the extreme animositity between the two democratic camps will dissipate.


I get a huge kick out of Obama and Clinton supporters. You're both nuts!!!!!!

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