Clinton's RFK analogy: Made, withdrawn: The Swamp
 
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Posted May 24, 2008 8:15 AM



The Swamp

by Mike Dorning

MIAMI - Sen. Hillary Clinton cited the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy on Friday as a reason to continue her increasingly long-shot bid for the Democratic presidential nomination into June, but later apologized for the comment.

Clinton, responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board in South Dakota about calls for her to quit her campaign against front-runner Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, said, "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it."

But within a couple of hours, Clinton apologized for the reference to Kennedy's assassination in Los Angeles.

"I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Sen. [Robert] Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June,'' she said. "That's a historic fact.

"The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Sen. Kennedy," she added, referring to Sen. Edward Kennedy's recent diagnosis of a brain tumor. "I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever."

Concerns over security for Obama, who received Secret Service protection at an early stage of the campaign, are rarely expressed publicly by political leaders for fear of being perceived as inadvertently raising the risk to him.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton's comment was "unfortunate" and "has no place in this campaign."

Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said the senator was only referring to her husband and Kennedy "as historical examples of the nominating process going well into the summer and any reading into it beyond that would be inaccurate and outrageous."

She has said much the same thing before. In a March interview with Time magazine, she said: "Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual."

A close Obama ally in the Senate, Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, said he accepted her explanation.

"I know Hillary Clinton, and the last thing in the world she'd ever want is to wish misfortune on anybody. She and Barack are friends," Durbin said. "It was ... a careless remark and we'll leave it at that."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Thanks for this, Mike.

From the Chicago Tribune:

Hillary Clinton today defended her decision to keep fighting for the Democratic nomination, citing the campaign of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy in her argument.

People should remember that Kennedy was still in the race in June, she suggested, because that is when he was shot.

From "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/vice-presidential-candidate-clinton.html

Friday, May 23, 2008
A Hypothetical Speech by Vice Presidential Candidate Clinton

Thank you for welcoming me here tonight. I know that we are all proud of Barack, who has risen from humble beginnings to such heights--great heights, perilous heights. As you may know, 30% of serious accidents occur from a height of 10 feet or above.

And so we now set out together on our journey--a journey of hope, a journey of change, and yes, a journey of great demands. For the Presidency places great demands on all of those who hold the office--we have seen how amazingly quickly it can age people in the poignant photographs of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was succeeded by Harry S. Truman while still in office.

In this journey, we will put forward our shared goals--of expanded health coverage, against the unexpected and often fatal illnesses that can rob even those citizens that seem the healthiest of their ability to work, even of their lives.

Of protection against unexpected attack on our country, often aimed at those who are placed in the most critical positions to lead this nation. Of conservation of our precious energy resources, without which, even the most powerful of us can wind up stranded in a desert motorcade, without food, water, or wireless reception to contact others for help. Of greater support for culture and the arts--beginning with increased support for our very own Ford's Theatre here in Washington, DC.

Many of you will hear Barack speak later today, from a platform in Norman, Oklahoma--a humble platform, a rickety platform, a platform susceptible to Norman's notoriously strong and unexpected winds. There--god willing--he will tell you of what we hope to accomplish. He will speak of the unity that he and I wish to achieve for this nation, just as Andrew Johnson and Lincoln strove for such national unity. And he will tell you of our wish for change.

Change. An important word. None of us can know the changes that will occur in our lives. None of us can predict what momentous events, what disasters may befall us. A simple damaged left engine turbine stabilizer in a campaign plane. A frayed electrical line dangling, unseen, from a remote access satellite hookup van. A safe, falling, unexpectedly, to the sidewalk from the 8th floor of the Hotel Aldion in Norman, Oklahoma.

And so, we must dedicate ourselves, consecrate ourselves, to reach these most important national objectives today--while we still can. And like Kennedy, Garfield, McKinley, and other Presidents before him, we know that Barack will strive to achieve these goals--in the face of the awesome unknowns that lay before us all.

Thank you.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/vice-presidential-candidate-clinton.html


"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?" she said in a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."


It's a bad analogy in the first place.

HRC and BHO have been campaigning for more than a year. In '68 RFK didn't even get in the race until LBJ withdrew in March, and even then managed to wrap up the nomination contest against the better organized McCarthy in barely two months. The race was effectively over in CA when RFK unfortunately strode through the hotel kitchen, a detour that changed the course of history. Without Sirhan, Tricky Dick never wins, and we wouldn't have all these -Gates to worry about ;-)



Bush at least has the excuse for his many lunatic utterances of being genuinely retarded.


What is Hillary's excuse?


Someone is soon going to put together a little book of stupid Hillary statements.


When are she and her followers going to realize that this very quality of hers makes her unfit?


All her silly claims of being ready and experienced, and she makes stupid remark after stupid remark, all on top of the fact that she planned her campaign badly.


Of course, there is a dark subtext to this remark, one for which Hillary is simply not to be forgiven. She is deliberately raising the specter of Obama's being assassinated.


Please go away Hillary.


You are damaging, unpleasant, and bizarre.


"Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Clinton's comment was 'unfortunate' and 'has no place in this campaign.'" This comment showed Burton's lack of integrity.

It was scurrilous for Burton to pervert the comment into a meaning that clearly was never intended by Sen. Clinton. It was vile demagoguery for Burton to seek to inflame people's passion against Sen. Clinton with a malicious attack and misrepresentation on her.


tasteless


Senator Clinton is a lawyer and exceptionally adept at saying one thing and meaning another. She is not incapable of a subliminal suggestion here.

She also recently said *her campaign* has had no discussions with Sen. Barack Obama's *aides* about her becoming his VP pick. Note the asterisks; the press has reported that Bill Clinton has been pressing DNC officials for her nomination as VP.

The Clintons' legacy of lies stretches as far back as "but I didn't inhale," by Bill, to Bosnian sniper fire hallucinated by Hillary.


In other words, the tragic demise of Senator Obama is in the cards for Hillary and Bill. Ain't that a Beach. Put into perspective that is not an unusual thought for the Clintons. Just look at the long list of people from their last administration who had unexpectedly died or been killed. Her thoughts are the same as the buzzard circling overhead just waiting. This should be enough of an embarrassment for a normal person. But the "I'm your girl!" girl is not going to go away nicely.


Tip for Obama:

You definitely don't want this woman as your Veep.


I don't know why it would stir an uproar. I think she hit the nail right on the head. Personally, I doubt Obama will last a week if elected.

JT
http://www.anondo.alturl.com


I am very distressed and angry that you have completely misinterpreted Hillary Clinton's statements about the assassination of Robert Kennedy. She was referring to two cases where candidates went into June, continuing to contest for the nomination, without being pressured to stop their campaigns.

This is another example of the media jumping on a story, reaching a wrong but desired conclusion, without gathering all the pertinent facts and information first. What happened to the profession of journalism??

I happened upon the Argus streaming broadcast, and watched it while eating lunch. I heard every word Hillary and the editorial board of the Argus said. There is no way she said or even implied that to which she is now being accused. Do your homework.

Why not just come out and say that you are engaging in innuendo and misrepresentation, that you want Barack Obama to be the candidate, and that you play unfair journalism to achieve that end? That, at least, will be a true statement in an article of untrue facts and interpretations.


Why should she apologize for this remark? It's a statement of fact: RFK died before the primaries were over. Anything *could* happen; a plane wreck, a train crash, a brain aneurism, an assasination, or a major piece of controversy that swings delegates and popular opinion over to her. Referencing the potentiality of something ocurring does not necessarily raise the risk of someone trying to kill Obama.

It's just another political game; take a single statement, interpret it in the worst possible way (regardless of what the speaker intended), and then attack them based on that interpretation. All politicians do it, but I don't think that an apology is necessary, just a minor clarification.


Continuing her disingenuous history, we must again endure more equivocation from HC and her campaign. If she was only referring to Robert Kennedy's continuing campaign into June of 1968, what did his assassination have to do with it?
We can't, nor should we stop anyone from running for president, but it continues to baffle me why anyone, let alone the numbers that do, supports this woman.


Who cares what that load Dick Durbin said?
Facts are facts that's all she is saying.


In the words of Teddy Pendergrass, ' Turn of the lights, the parties over'.


So are the Democrats going to "Al Gore" Hillary Clinton because she is a woman?

She's going to win the popular vote you know...

and the Democrats are going to explain to the public why the popular vote doesn't count again?

Ha!
talk about some very funny
and ironic stuff!

loving every minute of it !


I listened to her comment 3 times before anyone referenced what the heck they were upset about. I NEVER made that "connection." All it sounded like was a reference to her remembering that summer
BTW, how many black figures have been assassinated? How many whites? Yeah, all but one I can think of were white. And many more attempts were made on whites, also.
Get a grip!


So now we can't even use facts about the past?

Obama and his racist, sexist fanatical supporters will grasp at any straw to destroy their opponents. These are evil people, and Obama knows full well the kind of company he keeps.

Fortunately, there are enough decent people in this country that Obama will never be president of this republic.


Hillary was wrong on two points:
1. Wasn't the California primary in February this year? The big states are long gone.

2. My initial reaction to the remarks was that Hillary's next line would be "if Obama is assassinated, I can be the next Hubert Humphrey." If that wasn't her intent, she should not have come close to that area.


Two things about her comments, 1) both examples she cites were still ongoing primaries, the current process will be OVER by mid-June and 2) she apologized to the Kennedy's, but not to Obama. She inferred he could be killed, while obviously anything is possible, it's another dirty Clinton tactic, one that she should apologize to him for.


This woman is despicable. She's practically wishing for the unspeakable. Those who continue to support her should examine their reasons why very carefully.


As a strong Obama supporter I understand what Mrs. Clinton was saying. She was simply making her case to stay in the race (a race she has lost). Folks let's stay on issues. If Democrats allow this type of non issue to take over, we will loose in November because the Swift Boaters will control the election.


It was not a careless remark. It is what she is hoping for. Really shameful.


I've been concerned about Obama's security from the get-go, considering the racist gun nuts we have in this country. Clinton's comment is irrelevant to that concern.

It wasn't the most well-phrased statement, but it's clear to this Obama supporter that she was merely referring to the fact that nominations are not always settled when we think they are.

Now, could we talk about some issues?


I heard the speech and I heard the "apology". In my opinion, that was NO apology. Senator Clinton does seem to have a real problem admitting when she has been wrong; she always seems to skirt around the admission...ie: the war vote, the Bosnia fire, etc. We already have a leader who never admits he is wrong!!!


No surprise. She is a bald faced liar. She claimed to be shot at in Bosnia. When faced with the facts, she wouldn't admit she was caught in a lie. She says this, and why should any of us believe she didn't mean what she implied in her statement?

We know from Bill's tenure and this trend with Hillary that lies run in the Clinton family.

No ifs, ands, ors or buts.


This is total over reaction by Obama supporters. I hope they cut it out fast. The process is almost ending and if you make issues out of things like this you will be losing the Clinton's supporters to McCain.


I've been telling my friends for years that Hilary is that type of person that will do or say ANYTHING to get what she wants. ANYTHING. She has no moral compass whatsoever. She has no shame whatsoever. She is a vile person, and we as a country should be embarrassed that someone like her can get as far as she has in this process.

SHAME ON US


Wow. I guess the press has absolutly no shame.
"cited the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy on Friday as a reason to continue her increasingly long-shot bid for the Democratic""
CITED THE ASSASINATION AS A REASON TO CONTINUE ?? Give me a break.
WHy dont you go beat up on your wifes and daughters and leave this lady alone.


We have totally lost our sense of perspective. Every little snippet is now over-analyzed and over criticized. From the reverends to fringe supporters to the candidates themselves.

Here's what Hillary meant.

RFK fought to the bitter end, even when he wasn't guaranteed he wsa going to win. As she started to explain that, she got lost in her recollection that he lost his life tragically and that's where everyone started to think she is holding out hope that Obama gets assasinated.

That is NOT what she is hoping. And anyone who believes that is "batty."

And I voted for and support Obama.


Mindless twits making something out of nothing. No wonder we get low-end candidates for the presidency.


i think everyone need s to e -mail the dnc head howard dean at howarddean@dnc,org and tell them there will be a boycott of all donation s to the dnc till they deal w2ith hillary s demise instead send your donation s to obama our next presedent of the united state s go obama


While hanging on to a losing campaign , hoping for a major blunder to change her standing in the primary race, lo and behold, she got her wish. Do be careful what you wish for.


As usul, the press doesn't complete the job. How about a follow-up question probing the RFK reference? Maybe make HRC clarify, then the guessing game gives way to clear truth. Enough guessing what the Clinton's really mean.


"Careless remark"? The Clintons haven't done anything in their adult lives that wasn't calculated out to 27 decimal places for political effect. If this remark was calculated, it's inexcusable. If it was truly careless, we have to wonder what Hillary would say if she really did have to answer one of those 3 a.m. phone calls.


Just another example of what a piece of GARBAGE she is!!!!!


By Mudcat Jackson

Has Senator Clinton become the teflon candidate?
Specifically, she unilaterally says she will place a nuclear umbrella over the Middle East and there is no outcry and no significant discussion by the political analysts, except you and Rachel. There was no impact or reaction, guilt by association, to the video showing Governor Rendell's praising Minister Farrahkan. No reaction to The Huffington Post Article by Sam Stein quoting First Lady Clinton saying "screw them we don't owe them anything referring to The Southern White Working Class, the people whose votes she sought and got and the economic and social group that she championed against the elitist, in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky and is not seeking in Florida and Michigan(When she thought she was going to win the nomination she agreed that votes from these states would not count but now she is championing these states rights, she is a user not a self respecting fighter for the people). She consistently engages in lies and exaggerations and comes out smiling and all is forgiven. She cried in New Hamshire and the video tape became an infomercial which garnered the sympathy of enough voters to help her win. In the ABC debate she joined George and Charles and sandbagged Senator Obama. "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me." This divisive and racists statement was printed in USA Today Thursday May 8, 2008. Maybe the American People want more of the same and she is delivering it. Since nothing stuck to her she ratcheted up her remarks today, May 23, 2008 in South Dakota. She clearly stated that she is staying in the race because you never know what can happen. As a matter of fact RFK was assassinated in June implying that the same thing could happen to Senator Obama( This is not the first time that she has raised the specter of assassination). Since her comments were widely denounced and rejected she and her surrogates are attempting to spin a web of deception by clarifying them, a weak spin at best, by explaining what she really meant. Shame on her, shame on them and shame on all of us if we let her or them spin their way out of this one which should finally stick.


Would anybody else get away with this? Way to play the
Sirhan Sirhan card.

Obama has not asked her to leave, she's lying again.

What is so historical? This is not unusual.


McCain already invoked his Mark of Cain mea culpa at the NRA convention; so, none of Clintons remarks are 'careless'. The Clintons fail to grasp that at least as many people have an intense antipathy toward them and their works as others have nostalgia.

The Clintons ruined the Democratic party by 2000 and should now exit the contest without letting the door slam.

The USA needs Obama-not another '68 in Chicago, or more blood on our doorstep.


First Suckabee, NOW Clinton. All we will need now is to hear from Rush Limbaugh and FOX and the message from the Evil Axis will be complete. And that message "Obama needs to worry about being assasinated".

She will do and say ANYTHING to win the nomination! RIGHT BEFORE THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND!!!! Forget the Kennedys and their family, and the Obama's and their family. EVERYTHING in the universe must evolve around her. And the Feminists and Racists are going to be out trying to justify this.


Cankles Clinton and Team Billary must go. The RFK comments are the worst form of thing you can do as a politician.

If this were anyone else (aside from the Klintons) they would leave the race (before being asked). This crowd has no morals. Truly a low-point inAmerican political electioning.


What makes Clinton's comment particularly troubling is that this isn't the first time she's made it. She has said it several times in the past. In light of this, one has to ask where is her allegiance to the Democratic Party and the American people? Her mindset appears to be "I'm hanging in there in the hope that something bad happens to Obama, be it scandal or assassination, so that I can get the top job." This is not someone who should be in the White House.


Another scorched earth, win-at-all-cost moment from Senator Tonya Harding.


Oops.

She's done. It's Obama for President.


This comment is the nail in the coffin for Clinton. To think that she thought about the possibility of being the Democratic candidate because maybe Obama gets assassinated. She is running on fumes and needs to get out before her reputation is damaged beyond repair.


this is just unaceptable, media have twist senator clinton words on the senator kennedy dead during his campaing on 1968, especially mr olbermann anchor of the countdown, we should email our letters of indignity to msnbc, media have a responsability on deliver news in an acurated and honest way, not by twisting and taking out of context, i think mr olbermann own senator clinton and apology


Not sure, but I think we all have thought about it............................. SCARY

Sad you Nobama supporters.... Can't listen to what you and most of have thought.....

again, who is this Educated White man going to vote for this fall if it's not Clinton??????????????? This is a race comment FYI...... but you thought it most likely was.......


"I will obliterate Iran."

"I was fired on by snipers."

"Only I can get the votes of hardworking people, white people."

"Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June."

I'm an Obama supporter, but suddenly the thought of a possible McCain presidency isn't quite as scary as it seemed a month or two ago.

A Hillary presidency? Now that would be TRULY frightening.


How many more passive-aggressive potshots is this nutcase going to take at Obama? From "no, no, he's not Muslim -- as far as I know," to this sicko RFK reference, this woman is utterly, laughably defective as a human being, never mind as a president.


Call a spade a spade. This was a threat. The political machine that is the Clintons will get their way.


With comments like this, when Hillary's mouth engages before her brain does, I worry about those 3AM phone calls!


*Someone is soon going to put together a little book of stupid Hillary statements.*

Someone did. Hillary. "It Takes a Village".


Bill Clinton essentially locked up the nomination in April. RFK didn't even enter the primary until March (and most states didn't even have popular vote primaries back then). Hillary knows this. She's just stretching the truth, as usual. However, that's what we want in politicians, so why shouldn't she try to steal the nomination if she can?


THIS IS REALLY STRAINING TO MAKE THIS A THREAT ON OBAMA—THE MEDIA IS SOOOO IN THE BAG FOR OBAMA—THE CANDIDATE THAT WILL COST THE DEMS THE RACE AGAINST MCCAIN.
Must be the first campaign for a lot of folks here--so let's review things and offer some reality.
Barry Obama has run a poor campaign and has very little real experience to let us know what he’ll DO when elected.
The CAMPAIGN HILLARY ran was above board.
Not so the O's-.
When you have to start out by bashing Hillary and TRIGGERING ALL THE misogyny AND CLASSISM that this campaign's seen:
1. (Michelle's House/White House comment about Bill's zipper (what's been goin' on with Obama's Zipper, by the way?)
2. Calling Hillary, Geraldine Ferraro and then BILL CLINTON racist for stating FACTS:
(a. LBJ DID sign the civil rights bill;
b. Obama AND FERRARO are and were where they are because of
identity politics (more on this later*)
c. Jesse Jackson's campaign DID have a similar feel to the
neophyte Obama's campaign
3. LOSING a debate to Hillary when the news media FINALLY confronts him on questions he dodged before by
a. ducking into a speeding SUV and avoiding Carol Marin's
questions about the REZKO MANSION
b. "Hey guys I just answered 8 questions!" when the Chicago
media met him in Texas and questioned him about Rezko.
AND WHY WERE THESE QUESTIONS NOT ASKED BEFORE HE ATTAINED
HIS SENATE SEAT?
AND THEN FLIPPING OFF Hillary (and then GE's MSNBC re-edited it (potting down audio alluding to Hillary and reverting video order) to make it look like he didn't--was this because of the 29 new nukes the DICK Cheney 2005 energy bill contains for GE?)
4. MICHELLE WITH TRUST FUND PRINCESS CAROLINE (TFPC) AND THEN DADDY OBAMA WITH LITTLE GIRL MICHELLE
a. Michelle refused to answer questions about HER relationship with Rev. Wright, finally after Susan Malveaux changed the subject, the snickered after TFPC BASHED THIS WORKING WOMAN. AND THEN
b. Michelle (still in tight pink top spilling cleavage) did the same thing to Meredith Viera! MEREDITH used to WORK for 60 minutes. Michelle was RUDE to her--so Barry intervened, got her to talk in cooing tones curled up like the letter C on barry's shoulder about how she protected her man. YUCK!
Now kat1park---SELLING OUT is the ONLY experience he's got cuz he supported
1. 2005 cheney energy bill already discussed but
2. ADM's FARM BILL
3. Bio fuels--net LOSS of energy similar to nukes--also causes food shortages (SO HE'S NOT SUCH A WIZ ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, AFTERALL , RIGHT?)
4. 'clean' coal--dug out without unions of any strength
and he does NOT support
1. handgun control0-voted' present' in state legislasture---how's that working out right now south side
2. public housing--that 140 million dolalrs worth or decrepit housing on the south side courtesy of his friend REZKO is a WAAAAAAYYYYYYY bigger deal than any of the
CRAP the Republicans TRIED flinging at the Clintons.
The Clintons rose to the oligarchy without getting in trouble.
WE DON'T YET KNOW IF THE OBAMAS HAVE RISEN TO THE OLIGARCHY WITHOUT TEARING DOWN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S CHANCES.
What I dislike is how DIRTY they're willing to fight to beat out the person who SHOULD NOW BE THE TOP OF THE TICKET.
And the Obamas do NOT know how to handle the news media. They don't know how to answer questions under fire. The 'sweetie' comment was so galling not because of the sexism, but because of the arrogance to the news media.


Now we see why Hill won't give up the ghost, she is hoping for a ghost as an opponent.

Oh, did I say that out loud?


What is next for Mrs. Clinton?

She can't win the nomination fairly, that much is already known. Maybe her next comment will be: Kill all my opponents so I can win!! If I run uncontested, I win by defaut!! Yay, me!!

Then she'll apologize again. But it will be too late.


This is a non-issue. She is being villified for stating a fact, which is that Kennedy did not have the nomination in June of 1968 and was still campaigning until he was unfortunately assassinated. This has nothing to do with Obama.


Dear Superdelegates;

Time to close the circus. If anyone had doubt that this prolonged Clinton farewell tour is not hurting the Party, her evocation of the tragedy that took away one of our Party's bright stars as a rationale to continue is an open challenge that needs to be answered.

We the voters have spoken. You need to speak now.

The woman has no shame. Somebody needs to intervene.

After this, I hope that no one speaks of any stupid notion of a dream ticket.


Mindless twits making something out of nothing. No wonder we get low-end candidates for the presidency.

Posted by: Jeff | May 24, 2008 9:39 AM


Jeff now your really starting to sound like a GOP dead ender. I think it just points out the flaws that we DEMOCRATS have seen all along with Hillary. You guys on the other hand are saddled with a DEEPLY FLAWED candidate. The difference is you can't admit it. Your closed mind is showing. Obama 2008


Just another example of the many things we will no longer be able to say. Now people will even have to think twice before they link something to an historical event. We have been so fortunate to have freedom of speech, but incidents such as this keep chipping away at that freedom.

Keep up this kind of ridiculous finger pointing, and one day the time will come when no one in the U. S. will be able to say anything for fear of a backlash.


Are you kidding me?

Hillary did not cite RFK's assassination as her reason for staying in the race. She simply stated that he was still fighting for the nomination in JUNE. Her reference had nothing to do with the fact that he had been assassinated...it was that he was still fighting for the nomination IN JUNE! What month is it now? May. What does the media keep saying? That Hillary should drop out and give the nomination to Obama. Have IQs dropped since this process began? It seems like articles like these are about all the other articles about this...instead of about what actually happened and what she actually said. But hey, you're selling newspapers.

Maybe a more interesting topic to discuss would be the fact that a majority of white voters in Kentucky and West Virginia cited race as their main reason for voting for Hillary. Maybe it's just me, but that might be something to write about. It is pretty unbelievable. And unfortunate. In the 21st Century.

How many of you are replying to the various articles on this matter instead of the video/audio of what she actually said?


I'm not worried about Obama's security. If George W. Bush is still alive after nearly two terms, Barack will be fine.


Let's look at this logically - It is not as though Clinton has not said this before...she has - on two other occasions. Secondly, she was talking about the length of other primary seasons. So, I see no problem with her mentioning the fact that Kennedy did not get the nomination nod until June. Where I have a problem with what she said, yet again, is just what Robert Kennedy's Assassination has to do with the length of the primary season - it doesn't...so why mention it?
Many of us have followed this campaign for a while - and, for me, this was just about the last straw for me. As far as I am concerned, this is the LAST woman I would want to see in the Oval Office - either as president OR vp! Don't get me wrong...as a woman, I would love to see a woman in the WH...just not THIS one!


I am voting for Sen. Obama. I do not believe that Sen. Clinton meant she was hoping for the assassination of Obama, but her comment was totally out of order. You do not bring up things of a tender nature as the assassination of Bobby Kennedy who would have been a wonderful president. What I do not figure out is that her speech is written ahead of time. Why did she not think ahead of time what to say? And bringing up the death of Bobby Kennedy on the week that they find a tumor in Ted Kennedy was totally tasteless. Now it makes me wonder what is she as a president, going to say to foreign dignitaries that may end up causing a 3rd war and we hear here saying...I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way.


Senator Clinton’s comment in South Dakota regarding Senator Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination in 1968 was completely morally repugnant. It was obviously deliberate and devious. Her campaign has displayed an alarming lack of professionalism, intelligence, ethics and basic competence both in terms of strategy and financial management. It is time for those superdelegates who have naively supported her candidacy to withdraw their support and support Senator Barack Obama. Continued support by any superdelegate for the Clinton campaign will only reflect poorly on their own judgment, intelligence and values. Continued support by superdelegates can only lead one to believe they have corrupt ulterior motives such as a Cabinet position or an Ambassadorship. Senator Obama has run a highly professional campaign noted for a high level of integrity, honesty, judgment and intelligence. There are many women in this country who would be qualified to be President. Senator Clinton certainly has never belonged in that category. Her recent performances have proven once again that she is completely lacking in intelligence, sound judgment, and integrity.


I can understand Sen. Clinton trying to make the point that there's historical precedent for campaigns like this to go to the final primary, but what I fail to understand is why she feels the need to repeatedly and explicitly invoke the asassination of Sen. Kennedy while making her point.


Sorry Hillary your Obama/RFK assassination comments exclude you from VP.


Obama's only 2 criteria for VP: 1. someone(and their cronies) that do not gain by Obama's dying in office, and 2. qualified to be President


What killed Camelot? In times of great hope? Times to great promise? What went wrong?

How could the death of one man so drastically change the direction of an entire nation? Change American leadership? American politics? American history? World history? Just by the death of one man? The death of Camelot? Did JFK get his first 100 days? Will Obama get his first 100 days?

Brokered Democratic Convention? Powerful sheer forces?. Huge money interests? To be gained or lost? Conflict of cronies?
2 strong-willed strongly backed political leaders. Conflicted politics? Conflicted backers?

What set in motion the death of Camelot? Brokered Democratic Convention? Political expediency? Do political compromises have consequences?

2 leaders with different strong-willed backers? Different moneyed agendas? Different motivated cronies? Different money interests? Different powerful cronies with different goals?

What went wrong? What killed Camelot? Why? What set in motion the death of Camelot? Who had the most to gain in killing Camelot? What cronies had the most to gain? Huge dollars at stake. At risk?

How could the death of one person change the course of a nation? Change a world of hope and promise of great peace and freedom, into a world clouded by war, destruction and death? At what cost?

Yes 2 strong leaders. Sheer forces inside the White House? Different allegiances? Different goals?

One an idealist, briefly filling a divided hurting world with hope. Of a better days ahead? More united? More free? Did JFK get more than his first 100 days?

The other a pragmatist. The consummate politician. An opportunist? Strongly supported by power interests? Money interests.? Military profits? Controlled by cronyism as real as a Texas longhorn? The military industrial complex? Huge money to be gained? To be lost?

Yes sheer forces? Inside our White House. Were they set in motion at a brokered Democratic Convention? Deal making? Behind closed doors? Big league dealing? What was gained? What was lost?

Could a brokered Democratic Convention, be the ultimate destruction of Camelot? Impossible?

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There are several false assumptions in her arguments.
The caucus argument. Obama won more primaries than he did caucuses and more primaries then Clinton won.
She cannot predict the electoral map during the primaries. Obama is campaigning against both of them. With Clinton gone those poll numbers may change drastically. In addition relying on Carl Rove is a poor tactic.
Obama did not set the number at 2025 the DNC did when they eliminated MI and FL. She cannot change it only they can.
Obama has not said he has reached this number and has never once refused to campaign in all the states. He has repeatedly stated all states should be heard

The entire interview was based on false premise.


Of all the past democratic primary elections that were competitive into June HRC could have cited, she CHOSE to speak about the one where RFK was assassinated. She has been dishing out innuendos during the whole campaign, but this one crossed the line. There are many unexpected events that can derail a campaign, why did she have to speak to the most unspeakable? I hope now she realizes that her chances of being the nominee are zero. desperate times call for desperate measures.


Oops, she did it again!


Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.: Re: Bobby Kennedy Comments

Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.

Robert Kennedy Jr. issued the following statement this evening:

“It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”


Folks - Believe it or not, everything isn't about Obama. The universe doesn't revolve around him. But somehow, Obama supporters think that Hillary's comment was about Obama. Hillary Clinton and Bobby Kennedy both took the nomination process into June. Her comment about Bobby Kennedy's assassination was a time-frame reference. This isn't about and never was about Obama.


Well apart from the commentary on her RFK reference, Hillary is wrong to bring up the analogy those old primaries. this primary has been fundamentally different in that the front loading has resulted in the month of June being a yawner. It is really all but over this time around, whereas in the past California in its June primary played a key role. Her inability to draw a valid analogy is one reason why you might not want her as the next President!


I find it funny how people keep saying that anything HRC says Obama trys to turn into somthing to cry about.

But it is OK for Clinton to whine and complain about the rules for the Nomination "Unfair" and they should "Change the rules" (in her favor of course.

Seems to me they both are just you average bickering poltics, it doesn't matter who wins..Mcain, Clinton, Obama, nothing in this country will change, everything will just stay the same.


Posted by: Chaidez | May 24, 2008 10:23 AM This comment is the nail in the coffin for Clinton. To think that she thought about the possibility of being the Democratic candidate because maybe Obama gets assassinated.
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How you can interpret Hillary's comment into meaning that maybe Obama gets assassinated is a sign that those people who hate Hillary have finally crossed the line of civility, and it's ugly.


Why don't people stop picking on Senator Clinton? She must be exhausted from doing the most work of ANYBODY in this election cycle. Give her a break, already, you sexist males and otherwise misguided Americans. You're just jealous that you don't have Senator Clinton's intelligence and stamina.


Hillary knew EXACTLY what she as saying. This isn't a "mis-spoke". Someone should be shadowing the Clintons but not because she may be in harm's way, not for her safety, but rather to keep an eye on what she, and worse still, Bill, might do. Maybe it was a plant so that later she can say...I tried to warn you, after she divorces Bill for his part in losing her the nomination. Maybe she's setting Bill up.


All this episode proves is that the Obama campaign is a well organized and well financed operation ready to express outrage at the drop of a hat. To say that HRC wishes for or expects an assassination attempt on BHO is truly outrageous. The Obama camp reeks of self righteousness and will be anything to gain power.


It's a sad situation when two Democratic presidential candidates go on and on with their scathing attacks on each other. The media thinks this is helping these two win. Huh! people are forgetting that there are some of us who are looking out for the overall character of whomever we hope to lead this great nation. Not from this two candidates.


There are two ways to interpret this:
First, Hillary just put a hit out on her rival. This is the most repugnant thing I have ever politically witnessed. And to make matters worse, she didn't even apologize to Obama! If this is the case, this clear lack of moral center makes her unfit to be president.

The second is that she was just stating historical fact. (Two weeks before the 40th anniversary of the event she mentioned). Now the press is jumping on her because she is a woman or a victim or you name it and the MSM is twisting her words. After Jeremiah Wright, after the 100 Years in Iraq comment, isn't she intelligent enough to know that her words may be twisted and to choose what she says carefully? This lack of intelligence makes her unfit to be president.

No matter which you choose, she is either morally or mentally unfit to govern.


Did no one, including the reporter and his editor, catch the error about Fidel? He is ill, not dead.


Hillary made an analogy that for whatever it was, it was NOT Tasteless. She has to constantly respond to the these Quit Now questions. Now she has to offer an apology that will NEVER be accepted by the Obama-ites.


So, I say to you Chuckman, and the democrats like you, the ones unfortunate to be stuck in America, you are the ones that show profound mental retardation.


She is despicable! Is there anything this woman won't do or say to hold the reigns of power? Her supporters really need to take a good look at her motives.


How many more passive-aggressive potshots is this nutcase going to take at Obama? From "no, no, he's not Muslim -- as far as I know," to this sicko RFK reference, this woman is utterly, laughably defective as a human being, never mind as a president.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 24, 2008 10:40 AM


Very true. Her character flaws have shown through during the entire campaign. She has shown no qualms whatsoever in attacking her opponent in ways that are telltale signs of inner demons. I think she should go back to the Senate or run for Governor of New York. I can't in good conscience vot efor her. That said, I certainly could never vote for McCain. He has a vision of this country that I will never share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6fmyH_Yh2c&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBuuR62hVAs

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The ease in which Hillary spoke on the subject of "Assignation of Robert Kennedy" yesterday was alarming. She speaks of assassination as if it is a natural course of political life.

Let's hope that all of those previous assignations will be seriously investigated now.

I do not believe for one minute that her remark was a Freudian slip...she meant every word of it...as a message to Barrack; which is DO NOT FOR GET ABOUT MY PAST...!!!


If she really wanted to compare her standing to RFK she could've just said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy's campaign went into June." But instead references his assassination. Complete differences. I think she DOES hope something happens to Obama before this is all over. Terrible. There's a right and wrong way to say things and she went way beyond wrong. She has other motives in mind ...


This comment by Senator Clinton reminds me of why she is unfit for the oval office. For those of you that remember when President clinton first took office and opened the white house to the public....it was the first lady who used some fowl remarks that made it on national news as she was seen preparing the white house....of course that did not air for long as te listening devise was immediately turned off. I beat she did not know that the newsstations were listening to her comments from inside the white house then and now we see a pattern of ill timed comments.


The RFK reference is telling because it illuminates Senator Clinton's way of thinking. In her world, Obama is significant only because he is an obstacle that stands between her and what she wants. And a number of things (an unforeseen scandal or a plane crash -- or even assassination) might fortuitously remove that obstacle from her path at any moment.

Given that outlook, put yourself in Obama's position for a moment. Would you want Clinton as your vice president?


Her explanation that she was thinking about Ted Kennedy.

The problem is she made the same statement back in March.

From the New York Times:

"Friday was not the first time Mrs. Clinton referred to the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy in such a context.

In March, she told Time magazine: “Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn’t wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.”


Hillary: Why I Continue To Run

This past Friday, during a meeting with a newspaper editorial board, I was asked about whether I was going to continue in the presidential race.

I made clear that I was - and that I thought the urgency to end the 2008 primary process was unprecedented. I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband’s primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy’s, had continued into June.

Almost immediately, some took my comments entirely out of context and interpreted them to mean something completely different - and completely unthinkable.

I want to set the record straight: I was making the simple point that given our history, the length of this year’s primary contest is nothing unusual. Both the executive editor of the newspaper where I made the remarks, and Sen. Kennedy’s son, Bobby Kennedy Jr., put out statements confirming that this was the clear meaning of my remarks. Bobby stated, “I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”

I realize that any reference to that traumatic moment for our nation can be deeply painful - particularly for members of the Kennedy family, who have been in my heart and prayers over this past week. And I expressed regret right away for any pain I caused.

But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way that flies in the face of everything I stand for - and everything I am fighting for in this election.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/25/why-we-continue-hillary-and-me/#more-2698


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