The Swamp
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A friend of the senator suggests it's time to find an exit "with dignity.''

Posted May 8, 2008 10:00 AM
The Swamp

by Glenn Thrush

It ain't over 'til it's over, but a growing number of Hillary Rodham Clinton's closest friends now think it's really over.

A veil of gloom descended on Clinton's campaign Wednesday, with people close to her questioning how long the former first lady could -- or should -- remain in the race following a surprisingly thin Indiana win and blowout loss in North Carolina on Tuesday.

"I don't see any way she can put this together any more -- she can't win the popular vote or the delegate count -- so what's the rationale?" said a major Clinton supporter from New York, speaking on condition of anonymity. "I think the challenge now is letting her leave with dignity and grace and letting the process go forward. She has got to leave on a high note. She's got to determine her own exit strategy."

Trying to head off calls for her to quit, Bill and Hillary Clinton are planning a major conference call as early as Thursday to address the anxiety and anger among their donors, surrogates and superdelegates -- who provide her last, thin hope of capturing the nomination.

Behind the scenes, her top advisers were lobbying backers to keep them from defecting to Obama, and Clinton flew to Washington to make a private plea for support to uncommitted congressional superdelegates.

Publicly, however, Clinton and her staff were dismissive of suggestions she exit the race. They also denied any suggestion they are secretly negotiating with Obama over a possible deal to end the 16-month nomination fight that might include a "Dream Ticket" vice-presidential deal, or the retirement of Clinton's mounting campaign debt.

"There are no discussions," Clinton strategist Howard Wolfson said.

See the rest of the report from Newsday:

The glum mood among Clinton supporters wasn't improved by news that she was forced to lend the campaign an additional $6.4 million after writing herself a check for $5 million in late January. Wolfson added that she "is willing" to make future loans if needed and said he hoped the disclosure of the cash infusion would spur online donors.

There was one bright spot for Clinton -- an anticipated cascade of superdelegates to Obama following Tuesday night didn't materialize. Four superdelegates and failed 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, who had supported Clinton, endorsed Obama. Clinton picked up one superdelegate, North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler.

To some supporters, however, it felt like a temporary reprieve. One longtime friend and adviser said Tuesday's results pointed up a troubling aspect of her candidacy -- even Democrats turned off by Obama's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. preferred a damaged Obama to Clinton.

"She couldn't close the deal," said the friend. "She succeeded in raising doubts, but voters didn't view her as a real alternative. And that's the conundrum of Hillary Clinton -- it's always been the case -- a lot of people just don't like her and that's ultimately what did her in."

In another ominous sign for Clinton, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, one of her most stalwart supporters, fretted publicly about "negative dividends" from Clinton staying in the race. "I'd like to talk with her and her view on the rest of the race and what the strategy is," she told The Hill newspaper.

Clinton, who hastily scheduled an early-morning rally in West Virginia to counter talk that she was mulling a fast exit, was defiant Wednesday.

Shorn of a clear statistical rationale -- she has virtually no chance of catching Obama in pledged delegates or popular vote in the six final contests -- Clinton opted for a fiery political argument. Speaking to reporters, Clinton suggested Obama was setting up Democrats for a November loss comparable to John Kerry's defeat in 2004 because the Illinois senator doesn't enjoy Clinton's popularity with women, working-class voters, swing-state independents and Hispanics.

But even Clinton supporters urging their candidate to stay in until the South Dakota and Montana primaries on June 3 see the finish line but aren't prepared to predict Clinton will get there.

"Why should she quit?" said Clinton fundraiser Hassan Nemazee. "This isn't February or March. Let people vote. We are talking about being three weeks away from the last primary. ... Maybe I'm deluding myself, but I would advise her to stay in until the end. As long as you are wearing the uniform, you have a chance to win the game."


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The American public will suffer once again if they elect Obama. With Hilary, we get her and Bill's expertise. I sat by in stunned disbelief when I witnessed people praise Bush 4 years ago, now look what a mess he has gotten us in.


The super-delegates might be waiting in the futile hope that she'll find a classy way to exit, and they won't have to dump her, and be accused of being sexist.


How could you vote for either.
They do not have any experience running anything.
What a disaster if either get into power.


Hillary, my humble message to you is this: If the "boys club" in Washington can't take your strength, poise, intelligence and perseverance and the DNC chooses instead to nominate an inexperienced, slick, elitist politician, then PLEASE run as an Independent. Your 16 million supporters, to date, are behind you and we want YOU as our next President. Period.


America, meet the true HIllary Clinton. Don't you see it? If she cannot have the "toy", she is determined to make sure no one else gets it, even if she has to "break" it instead. The horror is this - it is the American election process that she is breaking. What a classy lady to elect as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world!


Why should she quit? How about because she CAN'T win and for the good of the Democratic Party?

Unless she feels so entitled, she thinks she IS the Democratic Party. Which has always been my suspicion.


Hillary, if that's really your name, will you leave gracefully, or in a strait jacket?
There is lipstick on your teeth.
Your impermeable helmet of hair is cracked
The snipers have gone on vacation
Don't make us watch this ugly spectacle any longer.
Go back to "fighting" for New York.



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Our Great-grand Nation, the United States of America
is and will face very critical and substantial
"Challenges" in coming,
months, years, and decades.

It is very essential that we pick our next
President on the basis of following criteria.


1. A candidate with a clear "Vision and Mission".

2. A candidate with a sound " Character and Integrity"
.

3. A candidate with a evident "Presidential
Temperament" and " Principled Judgment".

4. A candidate with "little "Washington exposure"
and "real future and past Voters".

5. A candidate who "Inspires us up" rather than
"Tears us down".

6. A candidate not based on past "sexism, racism, and
ageism".

In my professional and personal opinion, the only
candidate who has shown the above qualities and
characteristics is Senator Obama.

As an independent registered voter since 1980. I voted
for Carter, voted for Reagan, voted for First Bush,
and second Bush in 2000 and In over time last
interest in "Washington politics".I stopped voting.
Not a good idea under any circumstance, particularly
at present time.

This time we can not afford to stay on side lines and
let Washington remain the same.We can not afford our
Greatgreat Nation to become less than what we are and
can be.

We need to send clear and candid message to the world
and some 24 hour partisan piosonous hateful media.

These type of media outlets are trying to deprive,
dupe, and derail us from getting it right this time.

I pray and hope that we the American people won't be
part of this deception, seduction, and confusion.

These type of media and pundits are trying there best
to deny us better and replac our past remember some of
our bitterness and differences. { "Our Greatgrand
Nations people are persistently and constantly
subjected to Psychological terrorism" without our
knowledge by these these poisonous hateful partisan
media outlets".

We Americans are should not and would not to allow
these type of media psychologically terrorized,
traumatized and silence us this time.Not this time.

I am sure that we will get it right this
time and elect Senator Obama our next President. let
us not get dragged down into racism, sexism and
ageism.

Let us remember that our Greatgrand is constituted of
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fun, and future with fairness and freedom and without
fear or favor.

We can not afford to lose any of above conectins. Let
us stand up, be counted, save, build our Greatgrand
Nation for decades to come and regain our world
economic, and power status back.

God Bless our Great grand Nation and its diverse
people.

Our Greatgrand nation needs present and future
stability, security, safety,sustained progress and
restoration of our due status in this perilous Global
World at the all levels.

Yours sincerely,

COL.[retd] A.M.Khajawall
Forensic Psychiatrist.
Disables American Veteran.
Las Vegas Nevada.


I am 77 years old, female, a Betty Friedan original feminist and I support and voted (in the primary)for Barack Obama. Hilary Clinton has far too much hubrus - stilll accusing Obama of resenting "her" support, etc. I am not considering a vote for Hilary -- please stop saying that only the black vote is his.


Aah . she's down to her last $90000000
[million]jj Don't fill up your gas tank,
send $50 dollars to poor ,sad Hillary


Time for the kneecapping thug to slither back under her dubiously funded Chappaqua Mansion.


The latest primary was a strong indication that the country is tired of the smoke a mirrors politics that the Clintons seem to thrive in! Go Barack!!


"As long as you are wearing the uniform, you have a chance to win the game"


- No you don't, if the numbers don't make sense. Sometimes the game is already played out before the buzzer, and this is such a case.


More importantly, if she doesn't have the sense to see when she's defeated, and to do what's good for the party, then that casts a shadow on her judgment in general. She's behaving in a very irrational manner. Would we want such a president?


It is time. Hillary needs to find the exit and let the party go on without her. The article hits the main problem some voters have, they just don't like her, and if you can't like the person, how can you vote for them. There are too many things in her past, including Bill, that just makes her the weaker candidate.


Its McKinley and Roosevelt all over again.


I guess Obama "Closed the Deal" LOL!
Throw that in her face!


Sorry, guys. This is not going to be a graceful exit by Hillary. It is not in her character. There is going to be a lot of vitriol spewed on the carpet. And many Democrats, who want a woman president regardless of personality makeup or policies, will be as equally graceless and bitter. Of course there will be the usual positive front de rigeur; but only the blind and the deaf will not be able to see through that. And this milieu swirling around Obama, who has truly shown himself to be a man of conscience, honesty, and decency, will not do him, the Democratic Party, or the United States any good at all. This is an opportunity for this country, perhaps for some time, to elect a mixed-race president who knows both sides of the street and who has a head on his shoulders and an unsold soul to boot. And the Democrats, true to form as usual, are looking to blow themselves up.


Hilary in '11 !!

(Ooops, its '12. I can't do math either!)


Obama is destined to accomplish the Dream of Martyr Luther King.
May God Bless him!


Is it me, or does she seem like a cross between The Manchurian Candidate and a Stepford Wife? She seems kind of deranged.


That would be great for America. If Hillary ran as a Perot against the Democrats this time it would be a guaranteed Republican victory. How nice of Hillary to let her self righteous quest for glory stop any change from happening.


Once again Democrats will nominate the weaker candidate.

Obamites wanted Hillary to get out months ago, they wanted nothing to do with a fair election, they just want to annoint their leader. Hillary broke nothing, Obamites broke it when they started out by playing the race card to get the DNC to go along.

All the "old white men" just can't let a woman be president before a black man has the office. Well...good luck with that. The party is stupid to think that women won't turn their backs on Obama.


An Obama or Hillary presidency would not be a disaster, it would be a savior. I mean, Bush/ Cheney/Rumsfeld had deacades of so called 'experience,' yet their administration was the worst in history. Obama has strong plans and also a brain that will save america from debt and war.


Does anyone remember that Clinton agreed on Live television that Obama could and would win the GE if he were the nominee? Why does she now say that he will lose because he has no support from women or old people? Clinton will do/say whatever it takes to win, and that means throwing her own party under the bus. If she loses the nomination, the only way she could vindicate her reputation is if Obama loses in the general. Yes, that's right, I'm suggesting that Clinton is capable of sabotaging the democratic party to save face.


She may have been a good candidate, I even voted for her in Florida. But, he leads in popular votes, delegates and states. What's the issue? The game is over. She should do her party a favor and stop wasting its time and money. Obama has won the Democratic nomination and God willing, he will be able to beat John "W" McCain. Amen.


Primary Haiku

She clings close to Hope
Who would save us from ourselves
Brown leaf does not fall


Hillary, Please give this country a true choice in November. Run as an independent. Thanks


It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Well she's singing'

Do all of America a favor, step down with grace and honor while you can, there's nothing more disgusting than a sore loser.


The problem with voters like Susie Reid (the first comment) is that they are supporting Hillary because she is married to Bill and not on her credentials. As a NY resident I found it insulting that she would run for Senate when she has no previous experience. Both then and now people are not voting for her but voting for Bill, who by law has no authority in the presidency.


She should make a classy exit. I hate it when people refer to Obama as elitist. It's just like when people referred to John Kerry as a flip flopper. People just love to assign words and name call. They hardly know what it means anymore.. they just know that it's a name to call someone. If you are going to throw negative words around, at least find your own sense of expression, that hasn't been used over and over again, and prove to people that you actually know what you are talking about instead of regurgitating the words of an embittered politician.


Well, it is easy for those who have not been forced to witness the horrors of Iraq to vote for Clinton.. Feinstein also voted for the war. Perhaps you should query the "younger" women Iraq combat vets and see who they prefer. Not the ones who have no worries about WAR.


I strongly support Hillary.

Obama is a farce. It's not real. It's marketing & promotions. It's the youth who half of probably don't know there is another election to go. It's the whites who feel like they are helping to right the wrong done to blacks by America (and this man doesn't even descend from slaves).

Hillary, though tough and sometimes seemingly slick, is a sharp, committed, inthe game to win it, type of politician. Contrary to what we are told, she and her husband have given their lives to fight for "the people."

I feel sorry for America. When you allow a candidate who speaks well with not enough substance to back it be the Democratic nominee.

I have serious doubts if Obama can beat McCain. And McCain is a poor candidate!

I am not voting to vote - either Obama convinces me that he is worthy, which at this time I doubt can happen, but there's a possibilty, then I vote for him.

If not, I vote for no one.


Barack Obama- sure, he’s intelligent, honest, a magnficent speaker, a man who can bring America together, and the most exciting leader to appear on the American political scene in over 40 years.

But is he out of touch with snorkelers?

As a snorkeler, I’d like to know if Barack Obama thinks he’s better than snorkelers, because how can a man who doesn’t snorkel be a good president?


Oh I'm goin' to vote for Barack with
a ballot on my knee.
'Cause Barack Obama is the best for
us you see.
O---bama, oh don't you quit on me,
I'm goin' to vote for Barack with a ballot on my knee.


I sat in stunned disbelief when people comment on Hilary's expertise as if she had done anything that wasn't tied to her husband's career, much as I was stunned when my fellow New Yorkers actually elected this disingenuous condescending carpetbagger to senate with no qualifications other than her marriage license.


Down with the monarchy!


If Hillary bows out, I will vote for McCain, returning the favor to the Obamaites who said the same thing about Hillary. I reccomend every other Hillary supporter do the same.

McCain in '08!


Hillary's and Bill's expertise:
a failed health plan project, a trip to Bosnia, an Ireland experience where she was said to be a 'wee bit silly' for claiming any credit for the peace and for Bill a list of last minute pardons populated by friends and contributors including 2 WEATHERMEN . The biggest experience they offer is damage control.
Bush on the other hand, brought six years of experience running Texas..that worked out great!
I am white, old and female and I don't want a president considered untrustworthy by over 60% of the voters according to polls (and she did that all on her own) a modern day Gloria Desmond that doesn't know when it's over.


Those urging Hillary to run as an independent are forgetting that in many states, such as Pennsylvania, it is not legally possible for a candidate to switch after the primaries and declare themselves independent. If you run in the Democratic Primary, you cannot appear on the general election ballot as anything other than a Democrat.

Hillary's candidacy is over.


Obama is genuine and real. Hillary is a little girl screaming for the toy that got taken away from her. The Presidency is a team and an idea backing one person, we need a Democratic President so let Obama lead. Hillary needs to support the Democratic fight and stop whining that she lost the toy she wanted.


Experience? Inteligence? are you delusional.... look what Bush did to our national security, respect, integrity and economy. Do you know how many people have been killed because of him, do you know how much we owe? do you know how much more muslims who want to bomb the US? Obama is more inteligent than any of them combined.


Some as desperate to attain power as Hillary seems to be is probably not the best choice to lead the most powerful nation on earth.


C'mon.

Barack gets 95% of the black vote wherever he goes. Hillary and Barack split the white vote. That's a universal truth in these primaries.

Hillary didn't "lose" North Carolina in the conventional sense, she tallied exactly what any white candidate from any quarter could have earned.

Unfortunately, Americans are so paralyzed by their own race-o-phobia, that they can't even acknowledge the mechanics of the elections, much less discuss them.

The real question is, can the black block carry the day in November? If 50% of the white democrats (Hillary supporters) split their votes 50/50 with John, Barack will lose.

This is not to say Hillary would make a good president, it is to say she would make a more formidable general election opponent.

Personally, I don't like any of them.

Rick


As a true Democrat this is all so sad.

HRC is a great person but typified the failure of the Democratic Leadership to recognize the change so needed by the people. She was Old School all the way; rely upon traditional donor bases, rely upon traditional Democratic bases; rely upon local Democratic machines.
She should have won but won't because she messed up; not the good old boys. She did too many things too late to catch back up. Eventually, that's what people will use to judge her ability to be President. She relied too much on old thinking and loyalty.

Also, there is genius to her madness. For Obama to win the presidency, HRC followers have to be given a good reason to switch. She knows this and (hopefully) will finish the primaries without further giving Republicans ammo. She'll eventually lose because she came up short rather than got pushed out.



Hillary couldn't get us out of Iraq. She can't even figure out an exit strategy for her own campain!


It's absoultely amazing how far this has gone? America is not willing to accept an African American as President when the other two candidates are clearly more of the same politics that we have endured for the last eight years. I am disgusted by the bigotry and "ol-boy" backroom bahavior that continues to rear it's very ugly head time and time again.


If Hillary Clinton was a man, this would have been a done deal a long time ago. This country still has a problem with women in power and the the problem is so engrained a lot of women can't see it in themselves.

No one is listening. Obama has done nothing but speak candy. Clinton speaks policy and real solutions.

McCain is trouble waiting to happen.

Good luck Amercia!


Hillary Clinton supporters are the same people who put George W. Bush in the Whitehouse. You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.

You didn't vote for Kerry because he was an ELITIST, you didn't vote for Gore because you thought he was a JOKE. You vote for the CORNIEST, LYING POLITICIANS, & wonder why you're paying 4.00 a gallon for gas.You only have YOURSELVES TO BLAME.

Personally, my income IMPROVED under Bush/Cheney. However, as a PROUD AMERICAN, we've all paid a price for A STUPID ELECTORATE, AND ASININE POLITICAL POLICY.


Hilary. Oh, Hilary. When I sat down and thought about who I would vote for if it came down to either Hilary or Obama against McCain, I could never make up my mind when it came to Hilary. I would never vote for McCain, but at the same time, I don't think I could bring myself to vote for Clinton either. As a young, female voter who believes that one day a woman really should be president, I don't think she could do it. I can't see her really leading this nation anywhere good.

So I say, Go Obama go.
And God help us if McCain wins the election. I think I may leave the country if that were to happen.


you run as an independent and you are a fool. way to go ross perot, split the dem vote. what a bunch of jackasses you all are, just suck i tup and admit that obama is the only choice.


Angry Hillary Supporters- It is time you all grow up and unite as a party. We must not forget that we arent Clintocrats or Obamocrats, but DEMOCRATS. We stand united in our ideology, which is best for the country right now. We cannot let republicans rule our country for another 4 more years and we must not waste our votes out of bitterness from a rigorous primary. Branding Obama as "inexperienced" or "elitist" has yet to work and only serves to further divide our party. So, please grow up, unite and come together to take on John McCain this fall


Doesn't every state involved in this proces get the right to vote? Does someone out there know the results and is keeping it a secret. It's everyone's right to speak for themselves, not have the rest of you speaking for them. Hillary should stay in until the end.


Hillary is a repugnant force in American politics.Her party affiliation is an after thought. Hillary and Bill are political predators who have used the Democratic Party as an instrumentality to inure to their own benefit. The only still beholden to the Clinton Machine are hacks schooled in old politics where you divide up the blue collar, white collar, women and ethnic and minority votes. White people and blue collar white people do not dislike Obama but they are regularly having one of their own party members intentionally trying to drive a racist wedge into this race for one purpose, to elevate the predator, Hillary and not the guy who is truly much more in touch with the working poor and the struggles that they face. The Clintons are not working class heroe's. They are working class predators who manipulate and deceive the intellectually undernourished for their own political gain. Hillary has turned into a vile, shape shifting political fraud. America needs a colonic to cleanse itself of the stench of Clinton politics.


Hillary would burn down the town just so that she could be the mayor. If this primary has shown us anything it's that her naked ambition must be served, and all else is secondary.

She can't effectively run a campaign--how can her deluded die-hard supporters expect her to run a country?!?


"How could you vote for either.
They do not have any experience running anything."

Yep, those U.S. Senators never run anything. hahahaha. We need another W. He knows how to run things. Into the ground.


"The party is stupid to think that women won't turn their backs on Obama."

Then those women can lament the loss of the sons and husbands in Iraq and have no one to blame, but themselves for their short sighted vindictiveness.


Hillary needs to bow out. why should she quit? how 'bout that she is in debt and owes lots of small business people who can't get their bills satisfied? As for those who just want a woman in office, she is the wrong one. If she were able to win and get the office, I am sure that another woman would never have a chance in our lifetime such would be the disdain for her. And as for her experience, what good is experience if your experience is at nothing important. She was first lady, having tea with dignitaries. Obama has more working experience than she does. The only thing she is known for is her push for health care, which she was not successful at. She is not liked and is pushy and people just don't want to work with her; that's why her likability is nil. As for running things, I would say that Obama is running a damn good campaign. And as for experience, people need to understand that most successful business people got there on smarts and will---not experience.


The basic problem with Hillary's ideas is that she has forgotten that the primary season is about whom the voters want, and not about whom the existing political elite want. This points out who the "elitist" really is.


Regardless of who wins the nomination as Americans and voters we should work hard to support whoever our candidate is. I don't understand why or how this party is so divided when we have two Dem's who basically have the same views and solutions. I know one thing for sure McCain thinks this country has prospered over the last few years and thinks this country can resolve the war in Iraq. Honestly do we want to put our pride before addressing the real problems??? Americans its time to grow up and face our problems if not us who then will do what we are either too distracted or too divided to do?? This War has to end and we can't wait for tomorrow for the economy to work itself out. The time is now!!!!!!!!!!


Shirley- Actually women would be stupid not to vote for Obama. If you want 4 more years of bush then vote for McCain. I understand the country was divided on who they prefer and it hurts when your choice didnt win, but when it comes to Obama and Clinton policies being almost exactly the same then how could any hillary supporter vote GOP??? It doesnt make sense, unless the only reason you support Hillary is b/c shes a woman and you dont care about the issues. There is so much at stake this election!! Its time to unite, if you support Hillary then you must support her dedication the the Dem party and vote Dem!! Obama will only be the weaker candidate if you decide to make it that way and switch over out of foolish pride. McCain has his skeletons, they just havent been front page news yet.. they will be soon and he will be the weaker candidate


I think to her, it's like she told the female indy car winner. "...making history is what it's all about..."


No, it's not. It's about running the country. It's about the country being tired of liars stealing from us. And she looks just like another one. I like Obama's message of truth.

Which makes me wonder, "Why don't we put our polititians under oath instead of our baseball players? Far more is at stake!"


Hillary and McCain both represent the status quo in this election. Although Obama has been knocked for lack of experience the other candidates don't have any additional experience that would more qualify them to act in an executive position. Clinton and McCain have never held a governors position or run a business and are no more qualified to lead than Obama. Obama is the clear choice for a candidate that can represent an actual possibility for change from the "Good 'ole boy" system we currently have.


Hilary is a monster. All you americans seem to forget Bill Clinton lying on the stand, and saying that personal integrity has nothing to do with working at the white house! McCain thinks Bush is a hero and wants to keep the war going on indefinetly. Obama is the only one who has operated in integrity and has a flawless trackrecord in his political history.


Look, if Hillary's comments about the gas tax holiday can't sway you to realize how much of an idiot she is, then what will? Practically every economist says her plan is foolish. But she is sticking to her guns, because she is just like Bush - blinded by pride and righteousness to the end.

And her logic is completely false, saying that Obama doesn't have the support of women, older folk, hispanics, etc. Or that he can't bring in the big states like New York or California. Yes, he didn't win those votes in the primary, Sillary, but what makes you think he'll lose them against John McCain? Stupid and fraudulent to the end.


It's the same old boring media news if she stayed on fighting. We need Hollywood to produce more movies to watch instead of watching this same old face on TV.


Well, those of you who want Hillary to run as an independent better open some checkbooks!

Your girl is sitting at NEGATIVE $20 million at the moment and thinking of borrowing more. Some war chest!


With friends like that who needs enemies? I doubt the nay sayers are an kind of friend to Hillary. Rather politicos hoping to hold tight to their jobs.
With all the backroom talk, why aren't reporters seeking out the real story which is: Who is being offered what deal for their delegate vote?
Stay true to Hillary and keep reading between the headlines.
Denise from Philly


Bush on the other hand, brought six years of experience running Texas..that worked out great!

hey Ellen are you serious?? Um, Bush is the worst president in the history of our great country and has approval ratings lower than Nixon at the time of watergate so tell me whats so great about that?

The only experience Bush had ( The pro life guy that he is) was executing the most people in Texas' history!

You pro Bush people are so blind to reality its frightening to think what another 4 years of repulican control could do to our country and the rest of the world!


I don't understand the feminist support for HRC. What message does her campaign send to little girls... "If you marry the right man you can become president"?

My girlfriend said something profound the other day, "As long as I have been aware that there is a president it's been a Bush or a Clinton." Wow, do we live in a democracy?


My guess is that those that are threatening to desert the democratic party were never reliable democrats. Between the Republicans who like sheep followed Limbaugh's command to vote for Clinton (he is taking credit for her win in Indiana, by the way) and the Clintonites who will desert the party because voters did not give their candidate the nomination, maybe with what is left we can build a true Democrat party that puts its tenets and its basic philosophy above the pettiness of personal whims.


We've had enough of Billary, especially in NY. They picked a liberal state like NY where she could beat a cancer ridden Rudy Giuliani. I would vote for McCain before I would vote for Billary. And we all know he is just more of the same.


I AM SO SICK OF THE MORONIC COMMENTS THAT HILLARY SHOULD LEAVE FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY. IF ANY OF YOU WHO MAKE SUCH COMMENTS HAS PAID ONE BIT OF ATTENTION TO THE FACTS, HER LEAVING IS THE ABSOLUTE WORSE THING SHE COULD DO FOR THIS PARTY! OBAMA CAN NOT AND WILL NOT EVER BEAT MCCAIN!!!!!! SHE IS OUR ONLY HOPE OF THAT!!! SIMPLEMINDED AMERICANS! DO YOU NOT SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING? OBAMA IS DIVIDING THE PARTY. OBAMA IS ENSURING ANOTHER REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE! OBAMA IS ENSURING THAT WE HAVE MCCAIN'S 100 YRS OF WAR! THE REPUBLICAN PARTY KNOWS THIS! THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SUPPORTING HIM! BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN ACTUALLY BEAT HIM! I THINK SOME OF YOU EITHER DON'T HAVE A CLUE OR ARE JUST TOO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND! OR U ARE JUST NAIVE ENOUGH TO FALL FOR OBAMA'S FANTASY OF UTOPIA! IT'S JUST VERY VERY SAD!


Hillary like Mccain is beating on the war drums for Iran..
Have any of the pro Hillary posters been to combat? I kind of doubt it...Wait..Hillary saw action in Bosnia..What a lark!


Re: Sunny Florida: " If the "boys club" in Washington can't take your strength, poise, intelligence and perseverance and the DNC chooses instead to nominate an inexperienced, slick, elitist politician, then PLEASE run as an Independent."

How easy it is to blame sexist politicians. This, my dear, was the will of the electorate, no matter how much you don't like it.


to all of the hillary supporters who are saying they will vote for McCain if she loses the nomination,

there is a long time between now and the general election, and i believe you're being immature and bitter. you'll come around.

also i think this thread is missing the fact that the millions of youth voters who are turning out for Obama are much more likely to not vote in a Clinton-McCain election than any of the "disenfranchised" Hillary supporters.

and Hillary running as an independant would Ralph Nader all over again.


The American public better wake up and smell the coffee. I am tired of hearing the press refer to Hilary's age. What difference does it make? Why aren't they talking about the age of Obama? Hilary can make changes and we need someone who will make a difference. It is so unfortunate that gender has to be a issue here. Women are leaders in other countries..what is the big deal here in America? This country is suffering. Don't we all want a postive change? Hilary can do IT.


Hillary can't win. By all practical means she cannot gain the numbers. Therefore, if she stays in the race it is only for personal gain not the good of the country or the Democratic party as she claims. Any statement by her to the contrary is a delusion at best. We've had enough of a delusional presidency already.

If Hillary will not act responsibly then the super delegates need to. If they do not act now to make it clear they back the popular vote in favor of Obama then they are seriously hurting the chances for the Democrats to win in the fall.

We need sound leadership in the Democratic party and we need it today. Super delegates: step up to your responsibility as leaders of the party and lead us!

If not then you are seriously jeopardizing a chance for change in the fall. You will disillusion another generation of newly registered democratic voters. You will drive away the independent voters we need to win in the fall.


Why? Well the bottom line is to heal the division in the Party and fight the good fight against McCain. The Party needs to be unified to accomplish that. Hilary had a good run but it's over. How long are we going to prolong this? Let's move on to the next round. We've endured 2 terms of Bush and 5 years of Iraq. I think we're all entitled to a new deal. I for one think we can get that New Deal from Obama.


Hillary keeps hinting at an October surprise that will somehow destroy Senator Obama's candidacy which is her rationale for staying in the race

If she considered herself a true patriot and had such information wouldn't the right thing to do be sitting down in a closed door session with senior democrats, sharing her information and letting these senior democrats meet with Senator Obama.

The fact is, as Spike Lee says in his commercial "you got nothing!" The only thing she is has is innuendos, suggestions and whispers all aimed at planting a seed of doubt in the minds of the American people.

It is a disgraceful tactic and one which is not becoming to any decent individual, oh but I forgot we are talking about Hillary.


Perhaps her best exit strategy would be to paraphrase Sally Field's academy award speech, "You DON'T like me, you really DON'T like me!"


Obama is neither slick, elitist, nor inexerienced. To call him slick is meaningless. To call the son of a single mother, whose grandmother raised him, 'elitist' is absurd, and when contrasted with silver spooned Clinton is ridiculous. To call him inexperienced is slander when he spent the past 23 years as a lawmaker, grass roots organizer, and activist. Clinton is a closet republican anyway...


If not, I vote for no one.

Posted by: nocity | May 8, 2008 11:12 AM
That's the spirit! Maybe McBush will win and his words will be a song to your ears.....War or All women have to do to earn the same pay as a man in the same job is get more education and training.


no obama does not have experience, but hilary only has experience in what the american people are tired of. and nothing can be any worse than georgee. it is so sad, that the people are still buying in to nothing. poor people and that includes you "the once middle class" stop. hilary has money, and trust me she is gonna continue to protect those with money. i think this has been the saddest display of democrats. childish games, u know let's get on with it. Obama is just what we need. he has not sold hisself. and experience doesn't matter, our history just shows who ever the biggest supporter (financial of course) they are the president. it's oil now. those people who are blindsided by bush's whatever he is the reason for the war and terrorist are only responding to his arrogance feel. and can u explain why gas prices are going up, when supposedly there is a shortage and how millions of dollars were made by our president and vice president. come on people, don't let your ignorance destroy you.


Please, please American people remember what is at stake. It is the future of our nation, its relations with others, the gas price, and our jobs. It is all that but a distraction about a pastor who spoke for himself or any other joke some people are trying to bring up. Step up and save our country. Support whoever the nominee will be the nominee for the Democratic Party. I know American people are intelligent enough to stick to what really matters now. Don’t we need freshness and renewal in Washington politics? The clock will be ticking soon.


I love how Obama is the elitist but Hillary grew up in.....Park Ridge.


Hillary is just being pathetic at this point. She's devious and massively underqualified to be president, and claiming that she'll have bill's experience to back her up is no great feat either. We're in the middle of a war, with a few others becoming inevitable fast; we need a diplomat who can do what he must if the time comes, and that's Obama.

Hillary does nothing more than lie, manipulate and continue to break her party, proving that she's using the Democratic party as nothing more than an engine to get into office with, and that's downright pathetic.

Sincerely,
C. Price,
Captain, USAF


Down with the monarchy!
Posted by: Bernd Mathiske | May 8, 2008 11:13 AM

Amen!

Hillary couldn't get us out of Iraq. She can't even figure out an exit strategy for her own campain!
Posted by: Leif the Lucky | May 8, 2008 11:19 AM

Amen again! Sometimes the fewest words says it all.


Clinton has now for the second time (that we know of) had to loan her campain money. She cannot control the finances of her campaign - what makes her or her supporters believe she'll be able to balance the budget or relieve the National Debt?

To date, Obama has shown strength of character, faith in this Country and it's citizens, and an Integrity above and beyond that of both Clinton and McCain.


You have to wonder if Senator Clinton's strategy is looking toward 2012. Create so many doubts about Senator Obama that he wins the nomination but loses the election -- so that Senator Clinton can run again in 2012 against a 76-year old President McCain.

How tragic for the Deomcratic Party, the country and the world if that were true. Neither the country nor the world can afford a third George W. Bush term. We desparately need a clean break from the worst presidency in American history. Senator Clinton might have provided that break, but a clear majority of Democrats -- as well as millions of independents and even republicans -- have expressed a clear conviction that Senator Obama is better equipped for the extremely difficult job of reunitng the country and restoring America's global image as the great shining light on the hill.

Time to recognize these facts and for Senator Clinton to gracefully withdraw in favor of a united Democratic party and an Obama victory in November.


I was a huge supporter of HRC until seeing the disaster of her campaign - Mark Penn, running out of money, wasted money, myopic. "Ready on day one? " Ready for managing the country when she can't even manage a campaign. ??? You gotta be kidding me.


WHY CLINTON SHOULD REMAIN IN THE RACE: As us non-elitists say, it ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings, or in other words, one should not count one’s chickens until they hatch. A lot can happen as the campaigns progress and more of Obama's true character, history, etc., surfaces.


uhh...i'm pretty sure the part about Obama not picking up any superdelegates isn't true. Didn't he get four more on Wednesday?


She has plenty of money, she has the voters in her corner. She has every right to keep going. Her people will not vote for Obama in the general election, therefore, Obama will lose in the general election, or else we will all pay for the next four years and then all the stupid people voting for him will vote for him again in 2012, just like the stupid people that voted Bush in for two terms. Those are probably the same type of people that don't learn the first time around they just keep making the same mistake. Watch the swagger, watch the cunning smile on Bush and then closely watch Obama. Same demeanor. You all are in for it if he gets in. I would rather vote for McCain depending on who he has for his VP, especially the way the DNC has screwed up this primary campaign. If they ran it the way the Repubs. winner take all, Hillary would be so far ahead in the deligates (check this out), Obama would be using binoculars to see her. A good percentage of the rest of Hillary's backers will not be voting for Obama.


She should be allowed to exit the race when she wants to. I distrust and actually dislike Ms. Clinton because I think she will say and do anything to achieve power, but, like her or hate her, you have to admire her for her spirit, her fortitude, her drive and her tenacity. This has been one of the most unusual and, for the candidates, grueling of primary campaigns. She stood toe-to-toe with Obama, but what has "86-ed" her was who she is and what she stands for: old, cynical, dirty politics that don't play honest with the American people. Between her, McCain and Bush, there wouldn't have been much choice. The American people in their (belated) wisdom want real change. In fact, it's what the country needs.


Scott! Scott! my comment on Bush was intended to be sarcastic....you know when you use a hammer to open a jar and you break it and you say...."that worked out great.!" I totally agree with you.


Operation Chaos continues!


Hillary needs to check her ego at the door and give up on the dream of being president. If you are choosing to vote for McCain over Obama well that is just crazy. If McCain is elected we can expect more hard times to come and serious consequences. McCain’s administrative tactics will mirror the Bush administration, not sure if America can take another four years of that type of diplomacy.

Vote for Obama!


Shirley, why do you have to make the argument that it was sexism that decided this process? Why can't it be that Obama is simply a better choice than Hillary? What kind of logic would make you vote against Obama in the GE, other than spite?

If the Clintons have any class about them at all, they will soon begin to campaign in support of Obama for the GE, and hopefully all of the angry women will join in the support.



I do not think some people understand the terms that they are posting. Playing the race card means that you have to actually BRING UP the race issue. I defy anyone insinuating Obama is playing the race card to mention to me when he has come out and said this is only happening because I am half black? You can not because it never happened. On the other hand the Clinton fanatics seem to forget that Hilary herself insinuated the country did not know what to do with a female candidate or how to ask her questions. SHE HAS PLAYED THE WOMAN, RACE, and FEAR card throughout this race. How can you Clinton fans not see that . I hope she does not waste the election for the Democrats although I doubt she would care if she did.


What people need to realize is a president will only be as effective as the people he/or she surrounds themselves with while in office. This is where Bush failed miserablely. For my money I would like to have a well educated, thoughtful, patient person who will owe nothing to the Washington bottom feeders and think of Americans first and what is best for us for a change. Experience means nothing in the White House. Surrounding you with the best of the best with our interests in mind does. Obama has my vote.


Obama has become Hilary's "fly in the ointment" she never expected any opposition to her candidacy..which explains her running out of funds. She actually never imagined needing funds to get the Democratic Nomination. Her thoughts "who is this guy.."


More importantly, if she doesn't have the sense to see when she's defeated, and to do what's good for the party, then that casts a shadow on her judgment in general. She's behaving in a very irrational manner. Would we want such a president?

Posted by: Alan | May 8, 2008 11:06 AM


Excellent argument! And scarily reminds me a bit of our current President and his inability to do the right thing for our country. Definitely not a trait we want in our next President.


I hear on the news that single, white, educated, older females all vote for Clinton. I am also a registered Republican. She is the LAST female that we need in the White House. I am voting for Obama! Put that in your polls. I can only pray that the power hungry Hillary doesn't make it past August.


Hillary appears to have reverted to acting like the spoiled little rich girl that she once was by not bowing out.(no, despite her rhetoric, she never was blue collar!)

She apparently got everything she wanted in life until now and cannot accept the fact that she likely will not receive the nomination.

She is spending millions of her own to prop up her campaign in what seems to be an attempt to keep her fading dream alive.

It will be interesting to see her reaction when her lofty perception of herself eventually collides with reality.


AMANDA

I didn't say I'd vote for McCain. I couldn't hold my breath long enough. I'm aware of how scary McCain is. But I don't like it that we've been forced, again, to nominate the weaker candidate. I believe Hillary would be the best candidate against McCain and I believe the better president. I love how everyone has swallowed the "dynasty" line that come out of the Republican party. LOL...of course they'd say that..they didn't have another Bush running and they were terrified by Clinton. Hillary has her own education and background in politics. It's really insulting to read remarks by some who think it's only because of her husband. They'd never vote for a woman.


To all Clinton supporters who will refuse to vote for Obama, I say, "D