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Clinton tops McCain: Fla., Ohio, Pa.

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Posted April 2, 2008 9:53 AM
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by Jill Zuckman

Sen. Hillary Clinton’s argument that she is the better Democrat to take on Republican John McCain in the general election got a boost today from the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

Surveys in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania – crucial swing states – show Clinton beating McCain in all three. McCain would beat Sen. Barack Obama in Florida, if the election were held now, Obama would edge out McCain in Pennsylvania and they are dead even in Ohio.

The poll also shows Clinton with a 50-41 percent lead over Obama in Pennsylvania among likely Democratic primary voters. An earlier poll put Clinton’s lead at 53-41 percent.

“When it comes to November, Sen. Hillary Clinton’s strength is a big edge over Sen. Barack Obama among white voters, who have not given a majority of their votes to a Democratic presidential nominee since Lyndon Johnson in 1964,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the polling institute.

The Pennsylvania primary vote splits along racial lines, with Clinton leading among white voters and Obama leading among black voters. Clinton holds a 59-34 percent lead among white Pennsylvania voters who are likely to participate in the primary, while Obama leads 73-11 percent among black Democrats likely to vote in the primary.

For the general election, the survey shows that Clinton would edge out McCain 44-42 percent in Florida and McCain would beat Obama, 46-37 percent there.

In Ohio, Clinton would beat McCain 48-39 percent, while Obama would narrowly beat McCain 43-42 percent.

And in Pennsylvania, Clinton would beat McCain by 48-40 percent if the election were held today, while Obama would beat him by 43-39 percent.

“At least for now, Sen. Clinton’s argument that she is the better general election candidate in these key battleground states appears to have some validity,” said Brown. “In this survey, her strength among white voters is why she runs better against Sen. McCain than does Sen. Obama.”

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The biggest baggage Hillary has is Bill and he is getting worse. Today's San Francisco Chronicle, a liberal paper, noted the vicious "meltdown" of Clinton at a meeting of Democrats there as follows: "It was as if someone pulled the pin from a grenade. 'Five times to my face (Richardson) said that he would never do that(endorse Obama),' a red-faced, finger-pointing Clinton erupted. The former president then went on a tirade that ran from the media's unfair treatment of Hillary to questions about the fairness of the votes in state caucuses that voted for Obama." And people want him back in the White House? Go figure.

I think Clinton will not win any of these states in the general. Wait until we see her tax returns and the list of donars to the Clinton Library.

Saw the latest poll for PA. Obama within 4 points. Guess it's time for Hillary Rove to start her attacks again. Also noticed in the WSJ that she gets more donations from defense industry than any other candidate. I wonder why? She voted for the war and she will keep us there.

The article is about Hillary's strength in the general election but I see the Obama trolls are busy slandering.
Bill is 'vicious' and Hillary is a 'monster' good work in behalf of HOPE and CHANGE brought to us by Axelrod/Obama of Chicago!

In the words of Hillary Supporter Maya Angelou:
Rise, Hillary, Rise!
She's not a quitter and of the three left standing- (two men- one woman)-- she is the best candidate.

Even with all the bullying from the national media as the media has so obviously been smitten with Senator Obama- she is rising.
You go Girl!

Regardless of whom you favor, would it change your mind if the Democratic nominee is more capable of winning swing states?


This is exactly the information Superdelegates need to use in making up their minds.

Excellent point, Tony. Obama's trolls really turn off Hillary supporters - smoking all that hopium has dulled their senses and made them hypocrites. These numbers clearly demonstrate what Hillary has been saying all along - she's the candidate who can actually win in November.

settle down haters... you know this is true. Obama will not win the general and Hillary is our best chance. She's the one who can beat the snot outof McCain come November!

Anyone that thinks Obama is electable at this point is living in an alternate reality. The republican attack machine is going to air ads if he is the nominee that focus on:

Obama: refuses to wear a flagpin
Obama: refuses to cross his hand to his heart when reciting the pledge of allegiance.

Obama's Wife: "I am proud of my country for the first time..."

Obama: "Typical White Person" - commenting on the phenomenon of white people fearing strange black people on the street.

Jeremiah Wright "We got our just deserts" - reference to 9/11

Jeremiah Wright "Our Chickens Came to Roost" - reference to 9/11

Jeremiah Wright "God Damn America!"

Should I go on? I haven't even TOUCHED Tony Rezco yet. Obama decided to align himself with a racist bigot for 20 years and you think that this relationship alone won't sink him in a general election? Where is his talk about judgment now?

Wake up and smell some reality.

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Obama's supporters are indeed a nasty mean-spirited group. As Obama's support among whites dries up, they are getting nastier and nastier in their attacks on Hillary, while ignoring the fact that their man spent 20 years in a racist, hate-filled, anti-American church.

If we want to defeat McCain in November, Hillary must be the nominee.

My, my, the Clintonistas and their foot soldiers are busy here. The November election will be about the economy - and the more it keeps tanking, the more of a blowout against the Republicans it will become. As for polls - today one poll has Obama taking a two point lead over Hillary in Pennsylvania; yesterday Rasmussen said Hillary's Pennsylvania lead had slipped to 47 to 42. She's also going broke. Can Obama pull an upset? Distinctly possible - and if he does, the supredelegates will have the necessary cover to tell Hillary to pack it up and purge the stench of Clintonian politics from our system.

I think both Obama and Clinton camps are hypcorites here. The Hillary camp is certainly as mean-spirited as the Obama camp. Look at the "Judas" comment from Carville recently, as well as all of the hate coming from Hillary. Hillary was voted the least-wanted candidate in a recent poll and she is. Her approval rating as of last week was at 37 percent. All she has done is ride on her husband's cottails and blame the other side everytime something awful that she has done was revealed. We need to get out of this Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton pattern we have got ourselves into or we are going to end up living in a tyranny.


If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards


Obama is electable because he is the best leader to run for the office in a long time. A superior leader remains calm in the midst of disaster. It isn't necessarily a quality that comes from experience, just look at McCain. He remains combative when things don't go his way or if people ask the wrong questions.

Wow, the amount of hate and ignorance in these comments is both stunning and saddening.

Let me suggest that those of you who are attacking Senator Obama (and his supporters) spend some time on his blog and really listening to him and those supporters before you come back here.

Anyone who claims that Trinity UCC is filled with nothing but hate-filled, bigoted preaching is proving nothing but your own failure to do your homework.

I'm not saying the Reverend Wright's recent comments that spawned all this are the least bit justifiable, but please, in the name of God, get to know him and his perspectives and values just a bit more before you throw him and the whole congregation under the bus.

Wake up folks. Please be responsible, and try to be at least as thoughtful about these issues as Barack Obama is. You really sound like you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

Right on Jack Smith. With regard to Obama's "good judgment" on the Iraq War. He was not faced with voting based on information presented to him the way HRC, Kerry and Edwards were who all voted the same. Obama made a speech at an anti-war rally-- no pressure there. As for HRC and Bosnia, didn't Obama base his experience on the years he lived overseas as a child????? This is politics, folks. As for bringing people together, one-half of democrats don't want him to be president. Bring on the Super delegates-- let them decide who can beat McCain. Why have them in the first place if they're just going be told how to vote. Hang tough, Hillary.

You can always tell when things are really looking bad for Obama. He floats negative press out there about Senator Clinton. For example his signifcant lies last week that are coming out from his first book.

I constantly remind people of Jeremiah Wright and if they haven't heard of him, I ask them about the judgment of someone who would attend a church with a Pastor that swears from the pulpit and said the things that Wright did. After they pick themselves up off the floor, they of course will never vote for Obama. Most right people will not!

This guy who said he has superior judgment and these are not "HIS" thoughts should have thought about that the first time Wright started saying we deserved 911. As a Senator at the time he should have walked out the door. Instead he calls his WHITE grandmother a racist despite the fact she is too frail to defend herself and embraces the real racist.

Then there is the matter of Mr. Wright referring to Senator Clinton as if she is the wicked witch of the west like Barack Obama's WHITE MOTHER. Ok so Barack Obama may have a little half self-hatred. Sorry for that! No Hillary can't tell you what it's like to be a black boy being raised by a single WHITE mother whose BLACK father walked out on her!

In fact it's made even more ghastly to us that Barack would use his mother's memory and state that some how his Father was better than his mother because she stuck around! She and of course that RACIST white grandmother of his. It's odd the coward would pick on defenseless WOMEN. But that is afterall what COWARDS do! I wonder if he beats his wife? Has anyone checked his criminal records? I mean honestly there is a pattern here!

The problem this guy has is in honesty, integrity, judgment, experience, shall we go on? This article is no surprise. He'll lose any election and go off into obscurity since no one I know will vote for him and the polls just aren't getting it right with his numbers. No one wants to tell the media or anyone anything since they are so STUPID. Why should they say a word! If you actually talk to an Obama supporter they are mindless and unable to see reason. So we real Democrats are satisfied doing the following.

We will vote for John McCain in the fall should the Democratic Party fail to nominate Hillary Clinton. If the Democratic Party gets control of congress they can vote to stop the war just like Vietnam was stopped. Women like myself and other white women know that we still don't have our freedom. Let's face it, the guys still think we are property, aks chattel.

We're fed up with stupid fat boys supporting a dumber excuse for a man! The stupid women who support him well that's their problem we know that psychology too! But your day is coming where you won't be the ones the guys are looking at. Just remember how many middle aged women are you seeing on the television really? Not many.

So we know Hillary will win a Presidency this year, that's why the boys are just jumping on Barack Obama's bandwagon. He just can't be elected because of his lack of experience, lies, and credibility. Believe me it won't take us until a 3 am phone call to figure out he's not for us.

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