Bill Ayers, a diary of 'episodic notoriety'

Let's put away the McCarthy-like tactics, such as guilt by association and focus on the disastrous stewardship of a Republican President and the American economy!! Now, that is a subject that I think would make a lot of Americans " bitter "! Let's take a look at the financial " black hole ", known as Iraq. Our tax dollars are disappearing by the TRILLIONS, but we are directed to argue about an association, if one can characterize it that way. Corporate America has stolen our nation from us and we are to engage in petty bickering!! I don't think so!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.

Thanks for being an excellent journalist and checking this out.

Somehow these ooh! ooh! attacks on Obama always fizzle into yawn-yawn - once the actual facts are known. There's simply nothing scandalous there, once the spin is peeled back.

Clinton should be ashamed of herself for the lies she told during the last debate. Does she (or her opposition research team) get their 'facts' from Sean Hannity's show?

Kudos on the Swamp for giving bomber Bill Ayers free space to promote his views.

The Swamp deserves to be the venue of choice for unrepentant rad-left bombers, and politicians like Obama they pal around with.

What a bunch of CRAP!

If Bill Ayers was a Republican, Fox "News" would give him his own show...

Nirvana
circa-1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGaM6qBLFTQ

-Breed

Hillary, I dont care
Care if you're old
I dont mind
But I do mind that you're a Republican
Mind, you dont have a mind
Get away from me
Away, away from my home
Im afraid of you
I'm afraid, afraid of your Republican ghost

Hillary
Girl, you have used me
I dont mean to stare
We dont have to breed
We coulda' planted a house
We coulda' built a tree
Dont care bout you, you see
We coulda' had all three

Sad
Sad
Sad
Sad, for what you've become

Hillary, I dont care
Care if you're old
I dont mind
But I do mind that you're a Republican
Mind, you dont have a mind
Get away from me
Away, away from my home
Im afraid
I'm afraid, afraid of your Republican ghost

Hillary
Girl, you have used me
I dont mean to stare
We dont have to breed
We coulda' planted a house
We coulda' built a tree
Dont care bout you, you see
We coulda had all three

Sad
Sad
Sad
So sad for you

Hillary
Girl, you have used me
I dont mean to stare
We dont have to breed
We coulda' planted a house
We coulda' built a tree
Dont care bout you, you see
We coulda' had all three

Sad
Sad
Sad
So sad for you
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The Swamp deserves to be the venue of choice for unrepentant rad-left bombers, and politicians like Obama they pal around with.

Posted by: Bruce | April 20, 2008 5:31 PM

Yeah Brucie, it kind of reminds me of that famous Oklahoma City psychopath bomber Republican Timothy McVeigh and the those goofball Wingnuts who go around blowing up abortion clinics because they don't like them, or as John W McCain calls them, "his base".

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63

Here is the NY Times story that the statements Ayers is denying he made comes from. The story opens with this sentence: ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

A few grafs down, it gets worse: " So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said."

I think readers should look at the Times story and decide for themselves if Ayers is full of it.

Should the Clinton's distance themselves from Nelson Mandela who was considered a terrorist by the South African government along with many ANC brethren who did not serve time? What is a shame is that she has now gotten into character assisination of someone who has maintained a private life, and who must now defend it because of HIS association with Obama. Just because others have rummaged through her baggage - doesn't make it right. Or has she become so deadened to it all and does not recognize the possible ethical implications? I am sure that there are a few individuals surrounding the Clinton's squirming about hoping that the Obama camp does not retaliate in kind .... and I hope they don't too.

Catholic Schoolgirl John E - There is no difference between Ayers and McVeigh.
What does the left give Ayers? A job at a gov't run university. Ironic that Mr. Anti-gov't is know on the gov't payroll.

Maybe it's just me, but even when Ayers attempts to clarify his comments, he still doesn't apologize for setting off bombs. Read it again for yourself:

"This is not true,'' he writes at his Web-site. "For anyone paying attention - and I try to stay wide-awake to the world around me.... Life brings misgivings, doubts, uncertainty, loss, regret. I'm sometimes asked if I regret anything I did to oppose the war in Vietnam, and I say, 'No, I don't regret anything I did to try to stop the slaughter of millions of human beings by my own government.' Sometimes, I add, "I don't think I did enough.'''

"This is then elided: 'He has no regrets for setting bombs and thinks there should be more bombings.'....'' he writes. "I encourage people to argue, to agree or disagree, to discuss and struggle, to engage in conversation."

I know the Obama swooners are blind to his past errors in judgment, but the rest of the country needs to wake-up and recognize that he is simply not fit -- let alone experienced enough -- to become the leader of the most powerful country in the world. It's absolutely frightening that people are looking to a freshman senator who has befriended the likes of Rezko, Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers over 10 and 20 year periods as the next President of the United States.

What does the left give Ayers? A job at a gov't run university. Ironic that Mr. Anti-gov't is know on the gov't payroll.

Posted by: Terry | April 20, 2008 8:10 PM

TerriTard,

The left gave him a job? you really are losing touch with reality, aren't you?

The rightwing knuckledragging Neocons, under the banner of the Republican Party have spent the last seven years starting pre-emptive uncalled for wars while commiting untold amounts of war crimes......meanwhile nuts like you try to scare people about the so-called dangers of Moveon.org.

The Republican Party brandname has a worse stench on it now than it did during the Watergate days, Trickledown Boy...

BwaHAHAHA!!!

Obama owns Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko and Bill Ayers and still has them as social friends.

Communists supporting a communist, while John McCain was tortured for 6 years by communists.

Get use to the words President McCain all you mind dead lefties.

Paulo

Does anyone find it weird that Obama could answer with "I was eight years old" so quickly? That date coincides exactly with the "Days of Rage," and the founding year of the Weathermen. The Weathermen were also very active in the 1970's as well. Why not 10 or 12 years old? It shows to me that Obama knew exactly who this guy is and what he was involved in, and condoned his past.

The worst part to me is that Ayers was the son of an extremely wealthy executive who worked closely with Richard Daley in Chicago. Interestingly, Mayor Daley now has recently made positive statements about Ayers. I despise wealthy "radicals" above all others. I am sure he turned down his inheritance because of his dedication to the cause.

Read the NYT article for "context" and notice how their extreme statements have all become "jokes."

Mark

From what I have read Ayers wrote that article before 911, but it was published the day thereof or the day after. You may want to check that out.

This whole thing about Ayers is another red herring the Clinton camp is trying to link to Obama because Hillary is desperate to win over Pa. voters. She needs a huge win -- 15 pts. or more -- to reconcile or justify her staying in the game.

But HRC is out to destroy Obama. She has done everything possible, even going as far as taking cues from the rovian republican handbook to do so. Rovian tactics are the republicans trademark not the democrats. So it is surprising (?) that she would go after Obama like she has.

Moreover McCain and Clinton's almost identical attacks represent the same old tired Washingtonian politics of fear -- just more of the same.

I thought Americans rejected the Bush & Cheney's constant drum of fear. So why are the voters falling for the bellicosity coming from the McCain and HRC camps? Are some so fearful of their own shadow that winning at all costs is the end game? This warrior mentality is seeped in fear. That is not who we are.

I don't know about you, but I personally prefer intellect and reason over desperation.

The Ayers thing is another desperate move intended to distract the voters. It is a non-issue unless we want to re-fight the 1960s.

Maybe someone should ask Cheney his thoughts on Bill Ayers:
http://www.ontheissues.org/askme/mandela.htm
A viewer asked this question on 7/30/2000:

On ABC's ``This Week,'' Cheney defended his 1986 vote against a resolution that called for U.S. recognition of the African National Congress in South Africa, freedom for the organization's then-imprisoned leader Nelson Mandela and negotiations with the black majority.

``The ANC was then viewed as a terrorist organization,'' Cheney said Sunday. ``It was a step that we simply weren't prepared to take.''

Now, Cheney says he believes the ANC has ``mellowed'' and Mandela is ``a great man.''

``He deserves an enormous amount of credit for the transformation of South Africa,'' Cheney said ``But I don't have any problems at all with the vote I cast 20 years ago.''

John E is in the bag for Obama. Whatta gasbag.
But Terry has it confused--the left doesn't give you a a job at a university--they're terrified of the right wingers who really run things. THe people who RISE in the university system are sell out lefties.
Heard of cointelpro?
Ayers did a lot of neat productive things since he so destructively, arrogantly helped make it impossible ever again to have non violent change in this country.
The weather nuts DESTROYED SDS and with it the left.
And that's why we had Ronald Reagan. But why argue about it now? Obama should have quit his destructive, neophyte run. I mean yesterday he said MCCAIN would be better than Bush!
What's in the Koolaid?
Todd Gitlin described the ill-fated Obama run (welll, something similar) in his book: The Twilight of Common Dreams: Marching on the English Department while the Right took the White House.
Obama and Clinton should have become Edwards' veep. Too bad. Then Obama should have become Clinton's veep.
Too bad for us all.
Ayers isn't worth anymore print. But Obama couldn't wait til Ayers was retired--8 years from now?
Wake me when it's over.

Catholic Schoolgirl John E - There is no difference between Ayers and McVeigh.
What does the left give Ayers? A job at a gov't run university. Ironic that Mr. Anti-gov't is know on the gov't payroll.

Posted by: Terry | April 20, 2008 8:10 PM

Yep, just like the right gave the arms dealer to terrorists, Ollie North, his own TV show on Fox. I'm still waiting for all the Republicans to denounce that terrorist.

Apparently violence is OK when sanctioned by Government only.
I teach my Children that hitting is wrong. I teach them to run from a fight. My Children if they even defend themselves @ school will be suspended or expelled. Our Government kills innocent People on a daily basis (collateral damage).
When we the People attempt peaceful protest we are marginalized, ignored, arrested or worse. I do NOT condone violence in any way shape or form. I do understand how some people arrive at conclusions that it's the only way they can even draw attention to their cause. The New York Times has shown themselves to be complacent on more than a couple of occasions in towing the Government line & omitting crucial facts in some cases & imbellishing them on others. I don't know much about Bill Ayers but it seems to me he has been looked at with more scrutiny than most Americans & was convicted of NOTHING. He seems now to be a productive member of society. Can we leave him alone now to finish his life's work???

Yeah Brucie, it kind of reminds me of that famous Oklahoma City psychopath bomber Republican Timothy McVeigh...

Posted by: John E | April 20, 2008 6:26 PM

Not getting the Timothy McVeigh - Republican connection. No Republican that I know destroys / bombs federal buildings, with absolutely no remorse or respect for the lives of innocents in advancing some mis-guided political belief or cause. That is something that the Left seems to always have a desire to do, past and present, like the subject in THIS story.

Correct me if I am wrong. Timothy McVeigh was assessed the death penalty. It was carried out. No Republican that I know shed a tear over his end-fate. Why did it take as long as it did. That would have been my issue. Your argument is inane. Thank you.

Unless Professor Ayers has recently taken on a side job blowing stuff up without a permit, his association with Obama amounts to a whole lot of nothing. He surrendered and was tried for his crimes 30 years ago.

Scott, You are half right. Neither side supported McVeigh that I know of. But the vast majority of lefties did not (and do not) support the tactics of the Weathermen either. The lefties that I know are more interested in demolishing the right in the next election. Blowing up stuff is dangerous and usually counterproductive.

Tom O,

I have often heard Leftists trying to connect Timothy McVeigh to some sort of twisted Republican philosophy. Like so many things that are said back and forth, this is not an assertion of any validity or accuracy. We Republicans believe in, and argue for, limited government. We DO NOT bomb buildings and kill innocents for this, or any other political reason. Anyone who does is, himself, a terrorist, and should be brought fully to bear for the criminal act that this clearly is, and this is death penalty appropriate, in my view.

I am not saying that T. McVeigh is necessarily one of yours, but the Left, from the days of the Haymarket Riot in Chicago in the mid 1880's, on through to the Weathermen types of today, never seem to strongly or fully disavow these cowardly large scale acts of terror that kill AMERICANS who are probably as apolitical as a frog on a lily pad. That, democrats, is the problem with the Ayers issue in this moment.

Maybe he is not one of yours, but he DEFINITELY is not one of ours. We win or we lose or we draw, with issues / ideas. Not T. McVeigh types. If my side loses big enough, often enough, I will re-locate to Mexico and hope for the best. I do not accept the T. McVeigh-Republicanism, extreme or otherwise, assertion.

Scotty you're right, Republicans/Conservatives don't go for bombing. They much prefer using the police to shoot down peaceful protestors in cold blood. Kent State, the McCormick Reaper works shootings which immediately proceeded Haymarket, the Bonus Army.

The Republicans never fully disavow these incident of large scale brutality against AMERICANS.

Lois,
My strength, my sustenance, any foolish desire that I may have to argue with democrats emanates from Quality time spent with one of my many fine Republican guitars AND the Pretty Latinas that have a small, but similar need to carouse with me. This is that Time. This Is The Time That We Have Been Waiting For. I love this evil country.

Lois, you're post is shameful. How can you compare what a few scared national guardsmen did during a riot to what Ayers and his ilk in the weather underground did? You know, murder? And don't say Ayers didn't cause anyone's death. His own girlfriend died making bombs for him. There's every reason to believe that young woman would be an older woman today if she hadn't gotten mixed up with Ayers.

Chapman, unfortunately the world is an ugly place and there are simply some fights that our nation can't run from.

Trickled On John E,

Starting pre-emptive wars? If I remember correctly - Clinton bombed Iraq, Afghanistan, and Sudan - what did those countries do to us?

Move-On.org - the socialist organization run by the billionaire hedge-fund owner. Go figure.

RVW,

Haven't been to college lately? Go talk to the department heads that do the hiring.

To expand on Scott's point, Bill Clinton basically blamed Oklahoma City bombing on talk radio.

The Ollie North sold arms to Iran, which basically kept Iran and Iraq fighting each other, so that the Contras could fight the communists in the Western Hemisphere country of Nigaragua - in the 1980's - a good call. I realize that most of the democratic party of the late 70's and 80's were in love with Manual Noriega, but getting rid of that left-wing dictator was the right call.

Jeff-

As I said, the Republican NEVER disavow those incidents. Thanks for proving my point.

Allison Krause, Jeffery Glen Miller, Sandra Lee Scheuer, and William Knox Schroeder ended up just as dead as Ayers girlfriend. They were as innocent, if not more so than Ayers girlfriend. They had done nothing wrong. They weren't even participating in the protest. The nearest was over 250 feet away from the "scared" guardsmen. They'd all be older people today.

You are shameful for excusing their deaths.

Oh and a special call out for Terry...Noriega was leader of Panama not Nicaragua and it was the right that love Noriega.

Lois - my bad - that would Daniel Ortega

As far as the right's love of Noriega - he was working with the CIA from the Eisenhower - Reagan admins - which would include - JFK, LBJ, and Peanut Farmer. It was the Republican President Bush that arrested him for drug trafficing in 1989.

Wasn't President Peanut Farmer that gave Noriega the Panama Canal?

Also, in the 1980's he was of great assistance in battle against communism against Ortega.

Sometimes Lois, you don't get to pick the ideal ally - remember FDR had to cozy up to Stalin in order to defeat Hitler.