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Posted April 27, 2008 12:14 PM
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by Mike Dorning

Senior campaign advisors for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton sparred this morning along familiar lines over each candidate's ability to win the general election even as they each expressed confidence that the party would rally together behind the Democrats' eventual nominee.

Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson argued that Obama's losses in Ohio and Pennsylvania underscored a weakness among white working-class voters that would damage his ability to lead Democrats to victory as their standard-bearer.

"After significant losses in Pennsylvania and Ohio on behalf of Obama, I think Democrats do have questions about whether Sen. Obama will be able to reach out and win over the kind of blue-collar workers that Democrats need to win to take the White House back in November," Wolfson said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Noting that Obama had heavily outspent Clinton on TV advertising in both states, he added, "The fact that he was unable to put Sen. Clinton away in these two key battleground states I think does raise questions on behalf of Democrats around the country about whether or not he would be our best nominee to face John McCain in the fall."

But Obama chief strategist David Axelrod argued that Obama has won among white working-class voters in at least "a dozen or so" of the more than 40 states that have voted on a nominee so far. He added that Obama has performed well among other groups that Democrats need to win in September and demonstrated an ability to unify different constituencies into a broad coalition.

"We need that (working-class) vote. And we need the votes of minorities. And we need the votes of independent voters. And we need the votes of disaffected Republicans. What Sen. Obama has done in these primaries and what he would do as a general election candidate is bring all these elements together into the coalition we need to win," Axelrod said on "Face the Nation."

"He has a greater ability to bring all of these elements, all of these elements together," Axelrod added.

With the party leaders and elected officials who are superdelegates to the Democratic convention holding the balance of power on the nomination, assessments of each candidate's strength in November will be a crucial factor in the struggle to lead the party's ticket.

Despite public hints from Hillary Clinton that she might pick Obama as her running mate, Wolfson was unwilling to offer any commitments.

"Both of them have run very strong races but I think it is very premature to talk about a ticket at this point," Wolfson said.

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Real Democrats--not Repugs who crossed over and gave Barry Soleto his early wins(can you really TRUST somebody who changes their given name?) do not want to lose to McCain.
Obama is a closet far lefty Manchurian candidate guy who does not care if the entire society crashes so long as he gets to put into effect his way of governance.
The fact that Mike Moore is so in the bag for Obama says a lot. One posting this week got Moore to take down a link to the 'RECREATE 68' site which mentions the Obama campaign by name.
Yes, Mike we blame YOU for losing us the election with the crap you told young non newspaper reading kids that gore=bush. Crawl back into your editing booth now and make those hilarious documentaries--just don't leave out the bit about Michelle's U of C hospital letting a guy die the same way as many shown dying in Sicko.
Obama was merciless, ruthless, and duplicitious in his rise in Chicago and Illinois.
He stepped on Alice Palmer's NECK to get onto his first ballot.
You'll still be surrounded by te REAL racists who will use association with you to make themselves feel better, irrelevant radicals like Ayers who RUINED the anti war, progressive movements' chances in the 70s, the Dysons with their questionable claims about 'white people' he's never met.
But hose footsteps walking away from your campaign?
Well, here's a knock knock joke to answer that question:
Knock Knock!
Who's there?


Axelrod is right.

One thing that he might have overlooked though is the new, young voter.

These young voters inspire this gray beard as they have looked beyond race and to the content of character.

Vote for change. Vote for the well-being future of America and the Democratic Party.

!GOBAMA!


Make no mistake about it, Senator Obama is the best candidate the Democrats can run for President against Senator McCain. He doesn't have high negatives and he has little baggage. He isn't a saint, he is a human being, subject to what we are all subjected to, making mistakes. The great thing about Seantor Obama, he is a quick learner and he rarely makes the same mistake twice, whereas, his opponents continuously make the same mistakes, time and time again. I believe he is the best the Democrats can put forward and he has my vote!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.


I believe Senator Obama will take both of the next primary contests barring a major screw up. Clinton will simply be unable to continue.

Obama in 08.


Senator Obama is emerging in this race as a hero to young and older Americans, like me. It has also become evident that Hillary Clinton, as with the Bosnia sniper fire delusion, suffers from a fantasy that she is the front-runner. With her forever shifting goalposts, her new fuzzy math and kitchensink-sewer, failed and bankrupt campaign, Mrs Clinton wants Obama to give her FREE AIR TIME to debate her for the TWENTY-SECOND time. I am a feminist older than Mrs. Clinton and as an American patriot, I need to do the right thing and tell Mrs. Clinton, shut up already! The Clinton dynasty has been spoiling not just Obama's race in November but also the entire Democratic Party and its representatives'--congressmen, governors, district officers, mayors, etc, etc--abiliity to win in future elections. Bill is fighting Obama to return to the WH for a third term, and Obama has been fighting not just two Clintons (both playing every dirty card in politics) but also the GOP and the mainstream media who want to see the contest continue and their high ratings maintained. Senator Obama MUST denounce and reject Hillary's shameless agenda, to gain free public airtime off his back. He MUST stop treating Hillary as an older white woman like his mother and therefore to be respected and see her for the corrupt (25 million dollars gained from influence peddling last year alone), lying (Bosnia sniper fire), bullying (Judas name-calling), ruthless (just look at her ads), unelectable (highest negatives ever in a presidential candidate, and negatives increasing every day) small human that she is. He MUST begin to draw the contrasts in campaign tone, character, and track record on community work and protection of our constitution that show Hillary as the base candidate that she is.


ROLLING STONE Magazine:
by Tim Dickinson


4-08


The Hillary camp is now saying that the candidate simply mispoke in concocting an elaborately detailed Bosnian war story of sniper fire and corkscrew maneuvers and running, heads down to armored vehicles.


Balderdash.


Hillary is a habitual teller of tall tales. She’s far worse than Al Gore ever was.


Let us not forget that she long claimed to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary, long after it was pointed out that Edmund was an anonymous beekeeper in New Zealand at the time of her birth, when, she long claimed, her mother read a news clipping of Eddie’s exploits and gave his name to a daughter who was also destined for great heights. (Shortly before she jumped into presidential politics, Hillary kinda sorta fessed up that this just wasn’t true.)


And then there’s this idea that Clinton, in 1975, attempted to become one of the Few. The Proud. The Marines. Right after moving to Arkansas and marrying Bill. Really, I’m not making this up.


But she may well have been.


Hillary claims she was turned away for being a bespectacled woman. Not entirely improbable. But fishy, because it’s almost identical to another mythical tale from her childhood, in which Clinton says she wrote away to NASA, asking what it would take for her to become an astronaut, only to have her childhood hopes dashed by the sexist culture of the space program.


I for one am less troubled by the fact that the senator is a teller of parables and tall tales, than by the fact that she cannot, for the life of her, admit fault.


She didn’t misspeak.


SHE LIED!


She was caught in a whopper. Perhaps several.


Don’t compound the error with double talk.


It’s time to fess up to all of your lies, Billary


http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/03/25/lies-damn-lies-and-mispeakings/



Hillary has become especially hard to take because she can?t get what she wants without lying a lot, and nobody any longer believes a thing she says. It would help were she as good a liar as her nominal husband is, but even Bill Clinton can?t lie like a Clinton any longer. Even the price of Clintons in China has gone through the floor.


And if Hillary wins, the only White House renovations will be setting up more rooms so their donor friends can spend the night at the White House (with Bill) as it was during Bill's presidency.


Wanna hear a REAL problem with truth?
It's Obama's duck of the real, national news media.
Seems like a kid who was raised by a bank vice president, don't it?
There were not 21 debates. Just 4 with the one candidate the news media could not eliminate FOR the junior Senator from IL.
And how'd he get there?
He threw Alice Palmer under the bus.
Read it:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story
Newspapers are a beautiful thing. they help not just with literacy, but with math too.


GOODBYE TO YOU, BILLARY!


Those times I waited for you seem so long ago
I wanted you far too much to ever let you go
You know I never got by, "I feel it too"
And I guess I never could stand to lose
It's such a pity to say


Goodbye to you, Billary
Goodbye to you


Could I have loved someone like the one I see in you
I remember the good times baby now, and the bad times too
These last few weeks of holdin' on to your sniper fire stories, it's just to much
The days are dull, the nights are long
Guess it's better to say


Goodbye to you, Billary
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you, Billary
Goodbye to you


'Cause baby it's over now
No need to talk about it
It's not the same
My love for you's just not the same
And my heart, and my heart
And my heart can't stand the strain
And my love, and my love
And my love won't stand the pain
And my heart, and my heart
And my heart can't stand the strain
And my love, and my love
And my love.....


Goodbye to you, Billary
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you. Billary
Goodbye to you


Now, could I have loved someone like the one I see in you
Yeah, I remember the good times baby now, and the bad times too
These last few weeks of holdin' on to your sniper fire stories, it's just to much
The days are dull, the nights are long
Guess it's better to say


Goodbye to you, Billary
Goodbye to you
Goodbye to you, Billary
Goodbye to you


Goodbye baby
So long, darlin' and say hi to Bill
Goodbye to you, Clinton monarchy!
So long to you


"Obama had heavily outspent Clinton on TV advertising in both states"

I love that argument. Obama outspent Clinton? I wonder why? Could it be because he can raise more money than Clinton and didn't blow millions on the services of Mark Penn and other overpriced "experts"? Obama reduced a 20 point Clinton lead to 9 points in PA. Not bad for a guy without Clinton's name recognition and support from state level politicians.

Obama will raise more money than Clinton and will help Democrats win in more states. He's the better candidate this year.


Why should Obama debate Shillary?


Shillary has already LOST and it would only give her over-the-hill feminist nutjob supporters more reason to try and smear Obama and destroy the Democratic Party.


As far as I'm concerned, these nutty Shillary feminists/fans can go vote for McCain or go chase parked cars or whatever else they do in their spare time, just get lost, go have a bra burning party or whatever. You were never real democrats anyway because the last time I checked we didn't have a monarchy anymore which means Shillary is not going to be the queen.


If we get a McCain Presidency it will be their fault and the bomb bomb Iran, 100 years in Iraq they get will be what they deserve.


he's outspending Hillary sometimes 5-1 yet he cant seal the deal. he still hasnt convinced america that he is who he says he is. and this thing about bringing people together? Look at what happened in PA. He divides more than he can unite. Sorry obama, you cant!!


Signs of desperation in the Obama camp. He can't win. Middle class whites will not vote for him, hispanics will not vote for him, Italians will not vote for him, catholics will not vote for him, Jews will not vote for him, those who know his wife will not vote for him, those who know right from Wright will not vote for him, those who believe in a strong national defense will not vote for him, those who deplore crooked Chicago deals will not vote for him, those who fear American terrorists will not vote for him, and those who cherrish our health system will not vote for him. Only the media brainwashed rock group know nothings will.


THIS IS BILLARY CLINTON:


Clinton, NAFTA lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4


Clinton, campaign fundraising lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIt7Sv_blE


Clinton, healthcare lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A33DEl3y5Tg


Clinton lies about her role in the Ireland peace talks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA


...and of course, Clinton lies about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y


The entire premise of I do better here and you do better there, is ridiculous in a democracy. Our system is, the one with the most delegates wins! End of discussion.

Wanakee Hill


he's outspending Hillary sometimes 5-1 yet he cant seal the deal. he still hasnt co

Posted by: brigitte | April 27, 2008 2:03 PM


Not sh**, Sherlock!


Obama has built a grassroots fundraising system that makes Billary's in debt to everyone in the country, "fundraising", look like a failed welfare program.


He's outspending Billary BECAUSE HE CAN!


Clinton's base consists of insane reality challenged feminazi's, while Obama is getting money from people of all walks of life.


I'm surprised that Billary hasn't loaned her campaign more money, I mean the Clintons are worth $110 million afterall


I guess the Clintons don't think their own campaign is a very wise investment...


Here, I'll let the LIAR Billary explain it herself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGXQElOq-j0


To "End the Clinton sham"....lol...lol...lol...loved it!!! I can't even IMAGINE those two back in the WH...Bill...with his cocky attitude and "Her"... with her "this is rightfully mine" attitude and her LIES...WHICH, PROBABLY BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN...POOR LITTLE WOMAN...she's not even CALLED on it!!! The whole world is watching this fiasco, and if it's GIVEN to HC they will then know what the US thinks of EVER having anyone but a caucasian as president ... then the US has THE NERVE to chastise OTHER countries!!!!


DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have defeated her. And proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources. In all honesty. I felt some of that too.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)


Here I agree with the Clinton people and here is where some have called me a racist for pointing this out a MONTH ago - Dean, are you out there?

White people are going to run in droves away from Obama - if he's the nominee. It will make Rev. Wright's words about America seem appropriate, though many will stay claim that God blesses a racist nation.

So, of course, McCain will have the advantage. But the difference is that having Obama as the nominee will once again remind us that we have many miles yet to go. And that's a good thing.

The "not guilty" verdict for the police officers - some of them black, I understand - that took 50 shots - including 35 from one who had to stop and reload - to subdue an unarmed black man isn't enough. Only one elected U.S. Senator is not enough. Only one Governor by default is not enough.

We need everyone to vote as their American conscience sees fit. Then maybe people will listen to what Rev. Wright ACTUALLY SAID in his sermons and to Bill Moyers,
rather than rely on the lazy pundits who want to synthesize chuch speak into political snippets.

I'm overjoyed that America is now confronting in full view of the Chinese its racist heritage and its racist feelings now.

Go ahead, boycott the Olympics, you slaves of ignorance.


I'm about as left as it gets without blowing up a building like the weather ***holes.
But Obama can't win.
It's sad.
Go to this site at a nearby newspaper (Trib may have took, but I don't have time to look for it--if so I missed it):
http://blogs.suntimes.com/rezko/2008/04/aiham_alsammarae_and_tony_rezk.html
Bud--you're not racist--you're real.
And what a disappointment Moyers did not 'probes' when Wright acknowledged his comment about his 'special' relationship with Farrakhan.
Look==the guy's mega church grew in the black community-and he and a lot of Obama's black followers (the religious ones) seem to follow a sort of christian/muslim light approach.
It's the 'women to the back of the kitchen/bus/mosque' crap that disturbs people.
You can say it.
Islam as it's CURRENTLY practices is sexist by our standards.
Women not associating with men?
Like in Saudi Arabia?
Not what I want.
But I would have liked to have seen BillMoyers probe that comment--and ask about women, given that Michelle 'sells' herself as a sort of latter day Phyllis Schafly.


It was Hillary who started and fought the Travelgate fight, it was Hillary who started and fought the Healthcare fight and it was Hillary who pushed Bill to invest in what became WhiteWater-gate. It was also Hillary who invested in the cattle futures allegedly turning $1000 into $100,000 in a very short period of time.


Looking back, all of the major scandals of the Clinton Administration with one exception (Monica) can be laid directly at her feet. Don't forget Monica was discovered in the course of all these other investigations caused by Hillary.


Hillary did not win any of those fights. Hillary reminds me of the person in a bar who is a horrible fighter, but because they are drunk, they don't realize they are losing fight after fight. Except in her case, we have been the losers.


Hillary started out with 120 million dollars, 200 Supers, 100% name recognition, a former President and Rupert Murdoch. Why can't Hillary close the deal?!?!


Hillary wants Obama to be fully "vetted", and is providing material to the media about Obama and his associations with Ayers. But this leaves a real question, what association is more real, Obama having a relationship with someone who was once an anti-war radical that used bombs to get his message out, or Hillary who once worked for those radical organizations when Obama was a mere child?


Tom Hayden, has an op-ed titled, "Why Hillary Makes my Wife Want to Scream". It is about Hillary's sanctimonious accusations towards Obama, while she herself was actively involved with radicals during the 1960's peace movement.


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080505/hayden


All these were honorable words and associations in my mind, but doesn't she see how the Hillary of today would accuse the Hillary of the sixties of associating with black revolutionaries who fought gun battles with police officers, and defending pro-communist lawyers who backed communists? Doesn't the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whom Hillary attacks today, represent the very essence of the black radicals Hillary was associating with in those days? And isn't the Hillary of today becoming the same kind of guilt-by-association insinuator as the Richard Nixon she worked to impeach?


The writer strongly feels that it is time for the DNC to step in because Hillary's attacks are making it more difficult for any Democrat to in in the
fall.

It is as if Hillary Clinton is engaged in a toxic transmission onto Barack Obama of every outrageous insult and accusation ever inflicted on her by the American right over the decades. She is running against what she might have become. Too much politics dries the soul of the idealist.


So we can say the Hillary of yesterday is no longer what we are getting, if Democrats choose her to be the nominee. What the Democratic Party will get is a terribly divided party that makes winning at all costs the ultamite goal, while tearing apart the values that Democratic voters care about like peace, equality, justice and fairness. But isn't the point of electing a Democratic Leader in the fall that we will govern according to the Democratic values, over just holding on to the title?


Some may say, "that's just politics"! I don't want to think of politics as simply a blood sport, and I don't see how anyone can support a candidate that has spend so long fighting for what's right they have become what is wrong with politics. I feel that how you win is just as important as winning.


Of course you've got kids. You're sitting at Obama HQ snarfing arugula pizza.


http://blogs.suntimes.com/rezko/2008/04/aiham_alsammarae
_and_tony_r

He''s dirty. And you know it.
"Hillary scares" and "Duck and cover" = Julie Mack and Angellight and other paid bloggers 4 obama.
What dfid the Obamas squirrel outta da country on dat 'vacation' that US Attys and Interpol would like to see?


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