by Frank James
A theme in some of the coverage today of Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign suggests an Obama presidency would be a faith-based one, but not in the meaning of the Bush Adminstration's use of the phrase.
Instead, if he is elected, it would be based on voters' faith that he can pull off something there's little evidence for, that is, the creation of a politics that transcends partisanship.
There's a New York Times piece by Robin Toner whose headline asks the question: "Obama's Test: Can a Liberal be a Unifier?" It's a question the story doesn't answer, though one can gather from it that Obama would have difficulty pulling off such a feat.
The NYT article cites the National Journal report from earlier this year that determined that Obama had the most liberal voting record in the Senate last year.
The article notes that the most successful Democratic president of recent decades, Bill Clinton, came to power as a centrist or center-right.
In many ways, the Obama campaign is challenging the fundamental political premise that has prevailed in Washington for more than a generation: that any majority coalition must be carefully centrist, if not center-right. Bill Clinton ran in 1992 as a candidate willing to break with liberal orthodoxy on many issues, including crime and welfare, and eager to move the party — which had lost five of the six previous presidential elections — to the middle. Mr. Clinton’s New Democrats assumed a certain level of conservatism among voters.
But Obama has been a fairly orthodox progressive (or liberal for those who prefer that word.) The evidence of bridge-building really isn't readily apparent in his short U.S. Senate career. So voters are going to have to pretty much trust that he would be able to govern in a way that his career in Washington doesn't give much support for. They'll just have to have faith.
Underscoring this view is a piece produced by the McClatchy Washington bureau. The piece by Margaret Talev and former Swamper David Lightman starts thusly:
Barack Obama says that if he were president, he'd take politically courageous stands while forging the consensus needed to enact universal health care, immigration revisions, global warming legislation and a withdrawal from Iraq.
His three-year record in the Senate, however, offers little evidence that he can do what he's promising. His party was in the minority for his first two years, and in the third he began campaigning for president and missed lots of time on Capitol Hill. He was absent from or only partly involved in some key bipartisan efforts to head off stalemates on judicial nominations, immigration and Iraq war policy.
"He is asking us to believe he can do something he has yet to do," said Michael Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University.
Obama has made the word "hope" his campaign mantra. Perhaps "faith" would be equally apropos.
Why faith? Because as St. Paul wrote in Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
When Obama asks voters to believe he can create a new politics in Washington, he's arguably asking them to take on faith "the evidence of things not seen" in his Washington political record.


Comments
It's the hope angle that gets blown to bits when you see who Barry hangs with. From his wife, to the pastor, to Farrakhan, he is surrounded by people who are more about being bitter than about any kind of hope. We're seeing that trait come out of his campaign of late. Whereas he previously stayed away from jumping at every chance to hammer his opponents, the Obama campaign is now just as nasty and belittling as any other. If this is his version of hope, I'd rather be hopeless.
Posted by: John | March 25, 2008 10:52 AM
When a journalist throws around that "most liberal" line, they're doing themselves and the voters a disservice by implying that Obama is somehow supporting some radical mindset. Look at the votes used by the National Journal for their "rankings":
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm
Votes for government transparancy, higher minimum wages, funding embryonic stem cell research, ending various filibusters and moving troops out of Iraq isn't exactly radical or "far left". His record differed from Clinton in 4 votes, two of which were because they were votes Obama missed.
Obama votes for things supported by most Americans (ESC research, getting out of Iraq, etc) and reporters throw around "Most liberal!" as if Obama wants to collectivize our farms and abolish religion.
Posted by: Jeff V. | March 25, 2008 11:07 AM
The only reason he has been forced to articulate negative comments is because of the sinister and manipulative mode of communication employed by the Clinton campaign with the former president leading the pact. Obama is what we need next in this country. His intellect, core values and belief in the American people is what will lead us all to greatness.
Posted by: Janice Yelland | March 25, 2008 11:30 AM
"Would an Obama presidency be faith-based?"
Of course not. Mr. Obama is a Harvard Law Review attorney. Lawyers work with facts and laws. There is very little room for 'faith' in the legal process. I think we only need to look at the past 7 years to see what a 'faith based' preznit looks like. Does anyone want 4 more years of Chimpy?
Posted by: weinerdog43 | March 25, 2008 11:30 AM
His entire career has been all politics-as-usual... sucking up to corporate interests and political machine bosses. His voting record is paper thin and in favors the insurance industry, agribusiness, big energy, the credit card companies.
In short, there is nothing in Obama's past to warrant hope for political change.
Posted by: MJ | March 25, 2008 11:34 AM
John,
if people were judged by who they hang around with only then the world would be hopeless. It is clear you were never an obama supporter so you are clinging to shallow reasons for your opposition of his candidacy.
LBJ and Bill Clinton are associated with his Pastor so are they condemned also? His pastor was a Marines for many years so what does that say about the Marines?
You are a coward for hiding behind such a silly reasonings. If you don't like Obama be a man and say why even if its because he is black. From the much I have followed this election process, the American voters have come up very ignorant and stupid. I truly hope I am wrong about that or else this country has a much bigger problem than the election process
Posted by: Afrobaby | March 25, 2008 11:39 AM
It is Fair to compare NAFTA to the way Home Mortgages have been used to turn Intrinsic Asset into Cash to use for Financing the USA Trade Deficits , and the Holder of the debt is our Trade partners , SO the Question is Like the Bear Stearns Bailout has Been topic of Debate , " Who & How is the Debt going to be serviced with our Trade partners , once the Burden of holding the US Dollar by these partners , decides its not worth holding anymore ?? This is what has happened to our Home Mortgage Industry , so is this the next Path of Total destruction of US asset , and US security , because of a Flawed NAFTA trade Policy that was Designed like the Last phase of home loans were ??????????????? this is worth a Healthy Debate , isn't it ??????????????????????????????????
"An ex-president, a mining deal and a big donor "
Huge Kazakh deal follows financier's trip with Clinton, precedes donation .
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ex=1359435600&en=33a4d96a239655bf&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
This article below was reported and
is important in Determining the Independence of the office of the presidents
ability to draft unbiased Government Policy , so we need total Transparency
( we the people deserve to see those Tax records of the Clintons ), when
electing a President in 2008 , given how messed up things are , don't you
all agree ??
We the people deserve to see the Clintons Tax Records , with these kinds of
Conflicts of Interest involved , this is Fascism, is it not ???????? this is
whats wrong with the way NAFTA is Designed; http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib137
Posted by: Tony | March 25, 2008 11:40 AM
Had Obama been behind in delegate votes, in the popular vote in the number of states he had won, he would have been pressured to drop out o this race. The Clintons, who should have dropped out by now, keep hammering him with distractions in an attempt to destroy him and he has to respond. His ability to unify people does not depend on a voting record. As president he would set the terms of debate and bring people together to solve problems. This is not a question of faith or hope. This writer has been distracted by lines of attack made against Obama for political reasons by the Clintons. Why not listen to what Obama actually says on the issues, listen to his substantive performance in the debates? Consider his judgment in foreign policy. Compare all of this to the failed and corrupt presidency of President Bush , whose policies are being mirrored by candidate McCain. Lets get on with electing President Obama and stop writing snide articles that convey nothing but self satisfaction.
Posted by: suzanne | March 25, 2008 11:41 AM
Hmm, if we're talking guilt by association, then I would still choose Obama over Clinton because of the company she keeps:
Bush, McCain, Ferraro, and the man who molests interns.
Posted by: Charles from FL | March 25, 2008 11:46 AM
It's a new definition of faith for most U.S. citizens ... this is revolutionary politics under the guise of "faith." What is "hoped for" in this case is a long list of material things ... jobs .. money ... economic uplift ... money ... "equality," which, if you're a female and are tired of getting less pay/less opportunity or a male minority/immigrant and tired of getting less pay/less opportunity ... "equality" has been transformed into money. Even the message of these campaigns must be delivered, not by a prophet, preacher or Messiah, but by financial resources ... hence the mad race to raise more money. This is not faith-based anything. Call it what you want, even bring up Black Liberation Theology, but It's a reframing of the haves/have nots into "faith and hope." "Charity" seems to have gone out the window because the charges leveled on both sides of these campaigns are anything but charitable. And Hillary Clinton's imagined adventure in Bosnia cannot be called a parable by any stretch of the mind. As far as Barack Obama is concerned, his legislative record, or shall we say, his habit of taking credit for the legislation formulated and honed by others, is another kind of a leap of faith that has its own shock value. For info, go to articles in THE WASHINGTON POST, see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html?hpid=topnews
AND THE DALLAS OBSERVER, see: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/
ALSO, his level of drug use seems to be exaggerated as well, according to the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/politics/09obama.html?fta=y
If either of them are called out on these things in the next debate, I might have a little more faith in the media.
Posted by: Mandalay | March 25, 2008 11:49 AM
Barack Obama has been exceptionally presidential in his dealings with everything in his campaign to date. When hiring someone for a job, especially a job of great importance, where the selected individual would impact the lives of so many people, there is an inview process in which a panel of people try to define their character, intelligence, sincerity, and ability to perform the tasks required.
Barack Obama has been put through many difficult tests over the last several weeks. He certainly has defended himself with honor and class. He is not a radical of any sort and has maintained a calm demeanor through it all. He certainly should be allowed by the American people, for whom he wants to be an advocate, the right to defend himself under the constant attacks the Clintons have put him under.
In the past week Hillary Clinton has been proven a liar and it still isn't dominating the news broadcasts the way it ought to. Good 'Ol Hillary tries to once again dodge any evidence of her true character. This time with two blatent lies and comments like...
I "misspoke". Wow she really does live in a glass house, but doesnt' seem to have a fear of throwing rocks.
Let's keep in mind these are real people and should be held accountable their own actions, not the actions of their friends and family.
When Bill Clinton graciously displayed his pathetic comments regarding the state of South Carolina, Bill Clinton was held accountable. Certainly it reflected on Hillary, but most people just suggested that Bill Clinton try keeping his mouth shut. It wasn't suggested that she take responsibility for his damaging remarks. This is definitly a political game, but certainly not one with equal and fair rules on both sides.
Posted by: Erika Carpenter | March 25, 2008 12:05 PM
Barack Obama has been exceptionally presidential in his dealings with everything in his campaign to date. When hiring someone for a job, especially a job of great importance, where the selected individual would impact the lives of so many people, there is an inview process in which a panel of people try to define their character, intelligence, sincerity, and ability to perform the tasks required.
Barack Obama has been put through many difficult tests over the last several weeks. He certainly has defended himself with honor and class. He is not a radical of any sort and has maintained a calm demeanor through it all. He certainly should be allowed by the American people, for whom he wants to be an advocate, the right to defend himself under the constant attacks the Clintons have put him under.
In the past week Hillary Clinton has been proven a liar and it still isn't dominating the news broadcasts the way it ought to. Good 'Ol Hillary tries to once again dodge any evidence of her true character. This time with two blatent lies and comments like...
I "misspoke". Wow she really does live in a glass house, but doesnt' seem to have a fear of throwing rocks.
Let's keep in mind these are real people and should be held accountable their own actions, not the actions of their friends and family.
When Bill Clinton graciously displayed his pathetic comments regarding the state of South Carolina, Bill Clinton was held accountable. Certainly it reflected on Hillary, but most people just suggested that Bill Clinton try keeping his mouth shut. It wasn't suggested that she take responsibility for his damaging remarks. This is definitly a political game, but certainly not one with equal and fair rules on both sides.
Posted by: Erika Carpenter | March 25, 2008 12:05 PM
"Would an Obama presidency be faith-based?"
Of course it would, but not in the way the NY Times or the DNC Swamp would have you believe.
Liberalism is a faith-based belief system. And Obama is a life-long worshiper in this church and preacher of its gospel.
Posted by: Bruce | March 25, 2008 12:19 PM
It's the hope angle that gets blown to bits when you see who Barry hangs with. From his wife, to the pastor, to Farrakhan, he is surrounded by people who are more about being bitter than about any kind of hope. We're seeing that trait come out of his campaign of late. Whereas he previously stayed away from jumping at every chance to hammer his opponents, the Obama campaign is now just as nasty and belittling as any other. If this is his version of hope, I'd rather be hopeless.
Posted by: John | March 25, 2008 10:52 AM
I LIVE IN CHICAGO - LIFETIME. And these individuals have done more for this country and our city than many of the people you look up to. Its not about just WORDS, but ACTION, and that Farakan, Jackson, Wright and many others can STAND ON. Not just a bunch of wind like the entire lying - Weapons of Mass Destruction - REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Posted by: Keith Lifetime Southsider | March 25, 2008 12:26 PM
The key question to ask is where the center is at this moment. I would say that for any candidate willing to boldly push Liberalism, they'll find the center pretty much underneath their feet.
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty | March 25, 2008 12:26 PM
People are making too much out of this. As a junior senator, he did not have much power to nose into things. Ask Hillary what she did in her 7 years. Even less.
Posted by: Jen | March 25, 2008 12:28 PM
It's amazing to me that people honestly accuse Barrack of going negative. He did everything he could to stay above the mess until his sincerity and toughness were questioned to the point he had to respond.
Granted, it's a thin line and one his campaign must be careful of, as there will always be people out there ready to throw stupid words and insults as bait to distract from progress.
On another point, to suggest there is "nothing" in Obama's background to suggest he is the man he says he is shows tremendous ignorance. He's more than his voting record. Try reading one of his books. Understanding the depth of his journey, the way he's risen up and the compassion and wisdom he's gained because of it shows what an amazing opportunity we have here.
Posted by: Robert | March 25, 2008 12:37 PM
We should judge a person by their actions and not their words.
The fact that Obama choose Mr. Wright as his spiritual teacher for 20 years and included Mr. Wright in his election staff speaks well for Mr. Obama’s thinking and actions. Words are easy to manipulate and it is UNLIKELY that Obama's recent race speech was written by Mr. Obama himself, but of course written by his spin machine.
And regardless that he is ‘fashionably black’ and that many of you have some desire to prove to yourself or to others that you are not prejudice and that you like ‘black people’ with an attitude of ‘See, I like black people, I’m voting for a black person,’ such an attitude of voting for a person because of their race is the definition of prejudice.
But it seems to me if Mr. Obama had a lighter skin tone, there is no way he would be tolerated in as much he is aligned with a violent religious group, and never says anything substantial. And not only that, consider yesterday’s announcement that the chief of the firm involved in the State Department’s passport breach is Obama’s adviser. And that Obama has been caught lying about Rezko, regarding the amount of money Rezko gave him, and that Obama still hasn’t come clean about his Rezko land deal.
If Obama were to become president, what would stop Mr. Obama from appointing Mr. Wright to his cabinet? And to be sure, if anyone complained about Mr. Wright’s appointment, they would be called racist.
We should have as our country’s leader someone with wisdom and knowledge regardless of race, not someone hungry for power for the sake of power.
Out of all the 300 million people in America, is this really who you want for president – blindly popular with young people, power hungry, deceptive, vague, and coldly self-centered, – and is there a better definition of a potential Anti-Christ?
Posted by: olandug | March 25, 2008 12:52 PM
It's really interesting hearing negative comments about Barak Obama. He's not what he say he is. It's just politics as usual. Well, if it's politics as usual, why is the entire country talking about race; every news show, racists, white people, black people and spanish people. I've never heard this much dialogue about race in my lifetime. One man has caused this conversation, Barak Obama. Now we can all be appal at the words of Rev. Wright. But each and everyone one of you know someone, if not ourself who has treated someone different because of the color of his skin. I think this country is being so disrespectful to Rev. Wright. He to, fought for this country. So when did we condemn a man for speaking his mind, whether we agree or not. Think about it.
Posted by: Euphemmie | March 25, 2008 12:56 PM
It's really interesting hearing negative comments about Barak Obama. He's not what he say he is. It's just politics as usual. Well, if it's politics as usual, why is the entire country talking about race; every news show, racists, white people, black people and spanish people. I've never heard this much dialogue about race in my lifetime. One man has caused this conversation, Barak Obama. Now we can all be appal at the words of Rev. Wright. But each and everyone one of you know someone, if not ourself who has treated someone different because of the color of his skin. I think this country is being so disrespectful to Rev. Wright. He to, fought for this country. So when did we condemn a man for speaking his mind, whether we agree or not. Think about it.
Posted by: Euphemmie | March 25, 2008 12:58 PM
How can the Obama transcend our differences and unite us? The last time someone ran as a ‘uniter’, it did not work out too well, you’ll recall. The Obama is very liberal, much more so than Hillary. How can someone that liberal unite us? I don't see many Republicans, especially the right wing of the party, uniting behind the Obama. The Obama cannot even unite all Democrats.
It will be more of the same, the same as the last 8 years, just the mirror image.
Posted by: Will K | March 25, 2008 1:07 PM
I don't know about faith based, but I know it will be affirmative action based.
As president, Obama would push for more Affirmative Action programs, the catch being that nobody can say any minority actually benefited from Affirmative Action, because then they would be racist.
So logically, if the politically correct thing is to deny any minority who gets somewhere as having benefited from Affirmative Action, then it is useless and should be abolished.
So goes the circular argument concerning Obama.
An Obama presidency would be a sycophantic, touchy-feely, feel-good time, when nothing gets accomplished and we all tumble down the rabbit hole.
Help us all.
Posted by: alee21 | March 25, 2008 1:35 PM
Sounds like nobody is falling for your spin on Obama. To bad for you. Good for us.
Bush has been a disaster and I dont think I am using that term too loosely. Who wants to bet Cheney will be seeking office? That would be real bad for everyone in my opinion.
Let's give Obama a try. Worst case is still better than the current administration. Best case is that he does a great job and we all cringe when we think about the Bush/Cheney years.
MJ Racine, WI
Posted by: ukymon | March 25, 2008 2:16 PM
Out of all the 300 million people in America, is this really who you want for president – blindly popular with young people, power hungry, deceptive, vague, and coldly self-centered, – and is there a better definition of a potential Anti-Christ?
Posted by: olandug | March 25, 2008 12:52 PM
DING!!! DING!!!! DING!!!
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner in the "Most over the top accusation in the Swamp contest".
Posted by: Luke | March 25, 2008 2:32 PM
"Would an Obama presidency be faith-based?"
Of course it would, but not in the way the NY Times or the DNC Swamp would have you believe.
Liberalism is a faith-based belief system. And Obama is a life-long worshiper in this church and preacher of its gospel.
Posted by: Bruce | March 25, 2008 12:19 PM
Bruce,
I believe you stole this thesis from Ann Coulter. You sir are a plagiarist. A filthy, stinking plagiarist. Pathetic.
Posted by: jethro | March 25, 2008 2:52 PM
"FALSE PROPHET HAGEE SPEAKS"
IF YOU ELECT OBAMA, HE WILL END OUR "FAITH-BASED MONETARY SYSTEM" AND BE UNDER THE GOD GIVEN AUTHORITY OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE "ZIONIST"
A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
IF YOU ELECT "THAT WOMAN" SHE WILL END OUR "FAITH-BASED MONETARY SYSTEM" AND UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF GOD, WE WILL HAVE TO RECONGIZE THAT A WOMAN DOES "PROCREATE." WE CAN'T HAVE A "THAT WOMAN" IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE "ZIONIST"
THAT WOULD DESTROY THE VERY FOUNDATION WE'VE BEEN PREACHING AND TEACHING THE PAST 6 YEARS.
IF YOU ELECT ANYONE OTHER THAN JOHN MCCAIN, THE WRATH OF GOD WILL COME FORTH AND ASK THE WORLD, HOW DID YOU LET THIS GO ON. MONEY ON THE WOOD DIDN'T MAKE "GOD FEEL GOOD" JIMMY, TED, AND ALL OF THE GOP REPUBLICANS WITH "SKELETONS" IN THE CLOSET AWAITING THEIR "COMING" AND EVER LASTING TRUTHS.
4.1 BILLION DOLLARS IN FAITH-BASED POLITICAL BRAINWASHING FOR ME MONEY, AND JOHN MCCAIN.
A BLACK "NATURAL BORN" CITIZEN.
A "NATURAL BORN" AMERICAN FEMALE CITIZEN.
IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
THINK FAITH-BASED MONETARY OR BE DAMNED BACK TO IRAQ!
I NEED THAT MONEY! LIKE AMERICA NEEDS "STATE AND CHURCH" ON THE SAME TICKET!
Posted by: Roger Morris | March 25, 2008 3:05 PM
Barry Hussein Obama would raise our taxes $2.4 trillion and he agrees with Nancy Queen Bee Pelosi to tax oil companies $18 billion which will bring gas to $5.00 a gallon.
He is a socialist liberal not just a liberal. His Senate votes make him the most liberal in the Senate.
I don't know about you koolaid posters on this site that just can't wait for his first day when America's destruction and the crooked Cook County machine would take over the White House. Tony Rezko would handle personnel and Farakan the anti-semite along with many other unsavory characters like Jeremiah Wright and Ahmed Auchi would be in the Obama kitchen cabinet.
Dickie Durbin has been plotting for months to takeover his Charlie McCarthy and like Edgar Bergen-- Durbin would give the marching orders and trial lawyers would rein supreme.
You all can have Obama! Not me. Jerry White, Springfield, IL
Posted by: Jerry White | March 25, 2008 3:23 PM
"JERRY WHITE SPEAKS"
I'VE GOT MY MIND ON MY MONEY, AND MY MONEY ON MY MIND.
SO ANYTHING BUT MCCAIN MEANS "STABILITY IN THE MARKETS"
SO ANYTHING BUT MCCAIN MEANS "A BETTER WAY FORWARD"
SO ANYTHING BUT MCCAIN MEANS, I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT MY MOM WAS REALLY "THAT WOMAN"
SO ANYTHING BUT MCCAIN MEANS 100 DAYS TO END OF THE AMERICAN OCCUPATION OF IRAQ.
SO ANYTHING BUT MCCAIN "MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD"
ANYTHING BUT THE "WILLING SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF" IS ME JERRY WHITE!
I WAS BORN AFTER 1964, I WANT MY "RUDY GIULIANI" SKYWATCH TATOO. I'M OKAY WITH BEING EAVESDROPPED ON, WIRETAPPED AND DATAMINED, SO AS LONG AS WE DON'T GET "OBAMA" OR "THAT WOMAN" AS PRESIDENT.
HECK, SIGN ME UP.
FORENSIC / DNA / SSN# ON THE BACK OF MY NECK WITH MY DOB NEXT TOO IT.
I'M ALL FOR IT. WHERE DO I SIGN UP?
Posted by: Roger Morris | March 25, 2008 4:07 PM
I have faith that he is the one. He's honest, fair, intellegent, inspirational. I don't want to think about 8 years of the lies and arrogance of the Clintons. Last I heard, Hillary is attacking Obama as if she were on the republican side ...because she is. She knows she can't win. She's working to help Mc Cain win over Obama in the general election so that in 4 years she come back and grab it herself. There ought to be a new rule. If you are working against your party in any way, or have ever worked against you own party....you lose the right to the presidency. Lets clean this game up and throw her out. Let's bring dignity back to our country. Carville has it wrong....she's Judas.
Posted by: Nancy | March 25, 2008 4:14 PM
"Senate experience" is completely different than "work experience" and "life experience." Although Obama has only been 3 years in the Senate, but he has been involved in community service for 30 years, being a civil lawyer in between as well. He has maturity, integrity, and depth as president. I dont understand why wasting time putting down on good candidates? Certainly this article does not reflect positively of the writer (my view at least).
Posted by: diana | March 25, 2008 4:20 PM
No I don't trust Obama. I've listened to him for months acusing Hillary of being Negative while he does everything in his power to cut her off at the knees every day.
I watch he and Axelrod play good Cop Bad Cop, and he lost credibility with me.
I'm Jewsish, and all this focus on being Christian seems irrelevant, accept Obama makes it clear in his underhanded way that he's also a Muslim, because his father is Muslim, and he wants Black Muslim support. he's underhanded, and his idea of uniting is to play cace and religion cards all the time.
He also wants to Unite Republicans and democrats so Republicans will have no contest in advancing their Status Quo Agenda's like making every last drop of profit from raising oil prices and controlling energy; as well as creating more and more war to sell waepons and make money for wall street. Obama's main Big Business Financing is Wall Street, Big Banks and Swiss Banks (Drugs and Terrorism). I know the tricks of charming cons and Obama seems to use all those tricks, so I don't trust him.
I thing his agenda was to stop Hillary, because Hillary really would buck the status quo and Wall Street does not want that. Bush, whom Resko also works for, is Obama's orginial connection to Bush, and he's a Chicago Daly Democrat, so he certainly is part of the Status quo.
He's a beautiful speaker and I wish he's use that talent to make some change happen asc a Senator.
Then I saw this on another post, Farrakhan, a man Obama said "I can't help it if he thinks I'm a nice guy", and it all too scary.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-MH7ty55E28&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrP706-MZKM&eurl=http://youtube.com/profile_video_blog
We need Hillary, to be a down-to-earth President and move the USA back to Peace and Prosperity.
Posted by: Cass | March 25, 2008 4:21 PM
comment to who obama hangs around with... Remember your Bible even JESUS sat with the very worst of sinners. He who is without sin let him first cast a stone.
Posted by: ted oliver | March 25, 2008 4:24 PM
comment to who obama hangs around with... Remember your Bible even JESUS sat with the very worst of sinners. He who is without sin let him first cast a stone.
Posted by: ted oliver | March 25, 2008 4:24 PM
Hope is ecumenical.
That is Obama's appeal.
Hillary, who married someone from Hope, is now trying to tear down Hope's messenger.
Gets complicated?
Not really. Try faith ... in Hope.
Vote Obama, '08.
Posted by: Martin Edwin "Mick" Andersen | March 25, 2008 4:46 PM
Americans are more liberal than they realize I think. The word "liberal" has become a bad word since the '60s connotation to Lyndon Johnson--generally created by the religious right to say that taking care of each other is a bad thing essentially. What I think the NYT misses is the fact that Obama has a history of working together with both sides of the aisle to get things done. A friend of mine that worked at the Senate told me that when Congress would open, Obama would be the only Democrat to go to the Republicans and shake their hands. Obama may not be able to completely unite the country, but for once we may actually have a president that can help people believe that they are an active part of their government and not just subject to it. But there are always going to be nut jobs like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh that are going to create fodder and bs when there is nothing there.
Posted by: Jman | March 25, 2008 4:48 PM
Obama's presidency itself is affirmative action: Trumped up resume, I saw someone said 30 years???????? He spent 10 months working for a civil rights organization as a story teller... literally. He is the least experienced man to run for President in Modern time. I do support affirmative action, but not for President of the USA.
All the rest of the time he's been working with Axelrod, Mayor Daly's publicist to craft his assent in politics.
I bet he joined Rev. Wrights 's church just to make powerful Black contacts, like Oprah, and in the end he gets Wright to step down from the church and ruined his career.
Obama is not honest, look at how he said he didn't take money from Special Interests. When in fact there is a long list of Wall Street Companies (OIL and Defense profits), Banks (motgage crisis and Finance Wars), and Swiss banks (Drugs and Terrorism. Then he changed and said Hillary's list is longer... well she didn't lie and cover-up. She also doesn't go to large organizations like Move-On, and get them to use all their contacts, and then call it grass roots.
I DROPPED OUT OF MOVE-ON in PROTEST. They are now an Obama machine. So he's a manipulator, rrun by the Chicago power brokers, and fooling everyone.
I was blow away by this Farrakhan video, and Obama said in a debate, I can't help it if he thinks I'm a nice guy"...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-MH7ty55E28&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b
Obama may not be who he hangs out with but he does choose to hang out with creepy people, and I don't trust him.
Obama promised the people of Illinois he would serve his entire term... and lied. I'd like to see what he does for change as a Senator before believing he is anyone who would work for the change I believe in.
Hillary has my vote, and Hillary is someone I trust to lead us an make the change happen people in the USA want and deserve.
By the way I have a college education and many of out best and brightest support Hillary... That's another Obama/Axelrod scam... Smart people support Hillary.
Posted by: Steve | March 25, 2008 4:59 PM
The reason a christian goes to church is to worship the Lord, we do not go there for the Pastor.
I respect Obama for denouncing the words and not the person, that is the sign of a true christian.
I still beleive OPbama is the best candidate tolead this coluntry and unite us.
I think the media is overdoing it with this Rev Wright and now the new Pastor frankly I don't care about sermons, it's the spiritual experience and inner prayer that make a true christian not listening to a human's sermon.
His speech on Race was excellent. I wish the media would play clips of that and stop with the horrible comments of the Pastor. Oabma is ruinning for President not the pastor.
Posted by: Eleni | March 25, 2008 5:03 PM
Jesus was my favorite liberal.
Posted by: Jack Dubious | March 25, 2008 5:12 PM
Obama is a crybaby, a whinner and take no responsibility or accountability of his action.
Just now in address HIS advisor Gen. McPeak anti-Israel bias...Obambi threw Hillary in front of him to take the hit with him, regarding his campaign.
If Obambi is going to HIDE underneath Hillary's pants suits all the time when he messes up, instead of being a MAN about it...he should drop out so the better candidate can represent the Democrats.
Posted by: bitter anyone? | March 25, 2008 5:30 PM
"I respect Obama for denouncing the words and not the person, that is the sign of a true christian."
Eleni - that is an EXCELLENT POINT!!!!
And Jack - Jesus was more of a "progressive" than a lib. ;-)
Posted by: Jman | March 25, 2008 5:39 PM
I would never go to a church, temple or synagogue. where the religious leader was saying things I did not believe in.
I certainly would never take my children to listen to a religious leader says things I felt were morally wrong?
Why would anyone defend Obama that way? Who does that? There are so many options in places to worship God, why would anyone chooose a place of worship where the paster was saying things you don't agree with?
It's not as if he lives in a small town where that is the only place of worship. Obama had many choices. I think one of his reasons were for contacts. He was running a campaign in Illinois down playing his white heritage and also wanted the Black vote. He wanted to meet propminet Black people. On the otherhand you listen to his preacher who he befriended as well, and to Farrakhan who he also wants to cater to for votes, and I'd say Obama is an immoral vote whore, who would sell his adopted Uncle and his grandmother to get ahead... and I still have no idea what change he is bringing but so far it hasn't been good.
Posted by: Steve | March 25, 2008 5:40 PM
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It's really interesting hearing negative comments about Barak Obama. He's not what he say he is. It's just politics as usual. Well, if it's politics as usual, why is the entire country talking about race; every news show, racists, white people, black people and spanish people. I've never heard this much dialogue about race in my lifetime. One man has caused this conversation, Barak Obama. Now we can all be appal at the words of Rev. Wright. But each and everyone one of you know someone, if not ourself who has treated someone different because of the color of his skin. I think this country is being so disrespectful to Rev. Wright. He to, fought for this country. So when did we condemn a man for speaking his mind, whether we agree or not. Think about it.
Posted by: Euphemmie | March 25, 2008 12:56 PM "
Look Up Obama Axelrod and you will see that they paly Good Cop Bad Cop and Axelrod is the most vicious press agent in politics. So don't tell US Obama is not negative, he started all the Negative attacks the only difference is he denies it like a school kid and get his supporters and aaxelrod to do his dirty work while he claims to be "Above The Fray" BS!
He had Hillary agaisnt the ropes at the beginning because sh respects him as another Democrat, while he attacked her 24/7. He had the press scared to mention race unless it is on Obama's terms.
That's why all the outcry now... Obama created the terms to discuss that he's been playing the race card all along. This is not Wrights fault, Rev Wright is an Obama casualty, who Obama convinced to setp down from the church. Obama has no soul he's an opportuunist with no real comapssion -- he's about power, money and prestige... and Manipulating people with Advertisng and marketing Tricks, intimidating the Press, and using Christian and Muslim tactics to attract and control his followers.
Posted by: Steve | March 25, 2008 5:50 PM
Yes. His Presidency would be fatih based. If you look at the vast majority of Rev. Wright's sermons, they are full of Christ's love for all. His hundreds of sermons calling for hope and peace. The church is full of joy and hope. White parishoners at Trinity testified long ago to the church's message of outreach.
Our media loves to tear down good and honest candidates. But the people are smarter. Not this time!
Posted by: Cynthia | March 25, 2008 6:01 PM
Why to Obama supporters always refer to "the Clintons".
Hillary is running for President and she is NEW & DIFFERENT!
Hillary will be the first Woman President of the USA!
The people of the USA will not allow Obama and Dean to stop the people of FL and MI from voting and that is far from a dead issue.
Twenty-Fourth Amendment (1964) promises:
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election... shall not be denied or abridged...
Obama's cries that Hillary should drop out are cowardly. His goal to Unite Republicans and Democrats are to undermine Democrats and maintain the Status Quo, of an Oil Based and Defense based Economy rather than move towards renewable energy. Obama is the Wall Street, Big Bank Candidate, and Swiss banks. He denied this at first, but had to admit it eventually. Wall Street is Status Quo. Oil Stree wants energy prices High and more and more oil to deliver Stock Market profits. Tha's who Obama really is... Not who he claims to be.
I have faith that Hillary will be the next Presidentb of the United States.
I do not have faith in the "Obamas" because she does not love the USA, (unless Obama wins) and He is too arrogant to solute the flag, and Obama is a Globalist who will sell US out, and sell out all our traditions, to become another cog in a wold system. I have no faith in the Obama's loyalty to US, or anyone.
I love the USA and I have faith that Hillary will be New and Different, and will work hard for the change that Americans want and deserve.
Posted by: Steve | March 25, 2008 6:40 PM
David Axelrod did a biography on Barack..read it, the United States consititution requires that a presidential candidate be 35, a natural born citizen and a resident for at least 14 years. it does not mention , race or gender to qualify. I have done a lot of research on both candidates but what I find most in the comment section of sites such as this the some of the American people are not. They are being ignorant, sexist and racist. Yet, they scream they are proud to be an American. I like Barack and I did like Hilary..I want a lead that I can believe in..that is willing to give it their all..experience being a factor, non of the current candidates have it..because none have been president. This is an on the job training kind of position whether we want to admit it on not. Parents done have a manual that have the instinct to be the best for their children. A president has to have the instinct to care for country. point blank..nobody is perfect..nor is any civilization if that were true America would have never gained it's independence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html
Posted by: Ms. Taylor | March 25, 2008 6:50 PM
If you want real change vote for Nader or McKinney and help a new party emerege, that is real change.
Obama is an immposter. Nader has a list of change he's accomplished that is a mile long, but he's not diplomatic, and will never get elected. (Neither will Obama because when McCain starts shooting holes in his stories he'll be toast) McKinney is a Black Woman, who was a elected to congress and is now part of the Green party. These people are working for positive change. They will never get elected but if you want to make a statement vs. elect a Democrat vote for some truly dedicated people... not Obama.
Obama is working to get elected. He's working everyone right and left and has no record of change. Experience is important because it backs up a person's word that they are who they say they will be. If someone at 47, has done as little to change things as Obama, he's not a man of change.
Hillary is someone who has been working to better people's lives in the USA her entire career. As a Democrat I feel she will do everything in her power to be a great President and she is down-to-earth, brilliant, and respected throughout the world.
Obama is like an actor for change, but he's shown himself to be shallow, arrogant, and says one thing and does another. I have no faith in Obama.
Posted by: Cass | March 25, 2008 6:56 PM
Are you suggesting that we read an unbiased book about Obama written by his Press Agent, David Axelrod ????????
This is the guy in charge of the daily assault on Hillary, what is your point?
The Obama/Axelrod game is crush Hillary at any cost to Democrats or the USA. They play their Good Cop Bad Cop Game to fool everyone, and you are referreing people to the book he wrote?
Don't you realize people have figured out Obama and Axelrod teamed up many years ago when Obama moved to Chicago to craft his strategy to become President, and that Axelrod is Mayor Daly's Pres Agent too?
Posted by: Cass | March 25, 2008 7:06 PM
Did you have Hope and Faith before Obama?
What Hope and Faith has Obama given you?
Who is he uniting?
Will uniting Democrats with republicans be good for bucking the status quo, or only weaken our two party system and give Republicans Carte Blanche to sell oil at ever higher prices, and create more an more wars?
Has he unted Democrats? Has he played race cards over and over and created more racial tension? Has he weakened the Democratic party?
So this Hope you speak of... what Hope has Obama given you.
I have Hope and Faith to begin with and Obama and his ties to Farrakhan make me scared, and his goal to weaken the Democratic party makes me scared.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-MH7ty55E28&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b
Believing that Hillary has the courage to not give up, and that she will win and help lead US back to peace and prosperity gives me hope.
Hillary will represent all people of all races equally, and she has done more for civil rights than Obama, and will ease racial tensions. Obama uses race like a well disguised threat. That does not give me hope.
Posted by: Steve | March 25, 2008 7:15 PM
You are so wrong. Obama asks us to have "faith" only in our own ability to make a difference in this country. You have the choice to believe in these ridiculous accusations (unpatriotic, spiritually corrupt) being hurled at him by the vindictive and power hungry Clintons, or you have the choice to do your own research, your own work, take responsibility for your own mind and make this country a better place. I challenge everyone posting negatively about Obama to check out his website, to talk to a local Obama supporter, to look up some of his legislative achievements (on the US Senate website) and to form their OWN opinion instead of merely being fed spin by the media. I will not say you SHOULD vote for him, I will only ask that you LEARN as much as you can about him from different sources before you rashly dismiss him as a potential leader. I think you will find he has more integrity, experience, specific plans, and authenticity than the media give him credit for.
Posted by: Bonnie | March 25, 2008 8:38 PM
I am a college educated person, and don't know "THE CLINTONS" I read and have made my own analysis of Obama.
By the way "THE CLINTONS" are not running. Hllary is and she will be NEW & DIFFERENT and will be the first Woman President of the USA.
"THE CLINTONS" is just another passive agressive Obama smear tactic, but Bill is not a candidate.
I was impressed that during Bill Clinton's term he managed to erase a deficit that everyone said our grand children would inherit and left office with a surplus. We had Peace and Prosperity during Bill Clinton's terms, but he will be the First Gentleman. Hillary won't be taking her marching orders from her husband Bill.
I also don't pick on Michelle... But that's a different style than your approach to this race.
Hillary and Bill have done more for civil rights than Obama, and Bill is certanly not racist for saying Obama who votes like a Hawk in the Senate is talking fairy tales because he says he is more for peace than Hillary.
So rest assured I'm not listening to "The Clintons" when I say Obama is not who he claims to be.
I trust Hillary because she is down to earth and focuses on real solutions and I already have faith and hope so I don't need Obama to inspire me. I want a President who I trust to lead the USA and I have faith that Hillary can and will work for the change that Americans of all races, and socioeconomic groups want and deserve.
Posted by: Steve | March 25, 2008 9:26 PM
Obama didn't start the negative attacks, Hillary Clinton did. So what if her husband was president. Obama is the best candidate for the job. He has been down in the slumps and knows what it means to be middle class. The people that say he is negative are wrong. He has to fight back against her or he will fail. That is raw politics. She started this when he won 11 contests in a row. All politicians have people that have been endicted or accused of fraudulent behavior. Clinton herself has been accused of fraudulent acts. The deal with Obama is, the people that are afraid to elect a half black man mind you, are running with this petty ridiculous hype, creating a reason to support their presumed opinion. It is absurd. The other way around Obama would have already been pushed out, but no Hillary sticks her nose out as far as she can because she is Hillary. Whatever she gets away with going negative and its ok with the media. The media has in no way done Obama any favors. They certainly treat Hillary like a victim because mean old Obama is taking the nomination away from poor little crybaby school girl Hillary. This is why I have stayed out of politics. Who are we to judge? Obama has a minister, and he said some radical things. I actually agree with what he said. Hillary doesn't know what its like to be called a "nigga" or what its like to be poor. Obama comes from the roots that need help. He has a history of bringing the world together. Some are hopeless as in Steve, Roger Morris, bitter anyone? her on this blog. Get your information straight. Obama hasn't said Hillary should drop out. Look up something or read, don't be so quick to accuse and assume. I heard Obama on Larry King Live say she has every right to stay in the race. It is America after all, a free country. You people are what make politics despicable and an embarrassment to this country. You would never believe in Obama because you don't believe in this country. Not all politicians play sick low games like the Clintons, yes I said it because they play dirty because they are losing. The people that feel otherwise obviously haven't been paying attention. I was going for Hillary until she started her dirty tricks and then I realized Obama is an honest man with an honest heart. If you can't see that then I am sorry to America. Hillary wants to be the first woman president for power. Obama wants to help people in general. Obama owes everything he is to America. I am so disappointed in our country through this election. It is sickening that we as people tear people down this way. Hillary started it. Obama states facts. Hillary is splitting the party. THe only way she will get this nomination is by taking it from Obama and splitting the party. So for all of you democrats, good luck! VOTE OBAMA 08!!1
Posted by: Lydia | March 25, 2008 10:00 PM
Steve you have seriously got it wrong. Obama is mixed. His mother is white and his father black. Why are you talking about race? His pastor mentioned race, then followed the scrutiny by the media. Obama had no choice. He does not use race in his campaign. He would have blown Hillary out of the water if he was white. Get a clue. This politics we call it, is really a circus or a horse race. You people believe all the spin the media throws out there. You are the reason they get away with it, because you believe it. You are puppets to politicians. They make so much money off of you. You will turn away the most honest politician I've ever seen based on Hillary throwing a fit. Its not her time. It is Obamas. He is everything he is because of America. Why would he set out to destroy her? Hillary wants the power and wants to fight. If this doesn't stop democrats will not win in November. Everyone needs to come together behind one candidate and get on with it so we can beat John McCain in November. Hillary is going to give this election to him. Get real! Like she said. Its a mockery of our system. VOTE OBAMA 08!!!
Posted by: Lydia | March 25, 2008 10:07 PM
From this moment on, anybody that dares to disagree with Obama will be labled a racist which in some cases may very well be true, but equally people can dislike his policies, dislike him because they think he has used poor judgment, dislike them him because maybe they just don't identify with him. The pro-Obama supporters ALWAYS use the most abusive terms when speaking of the other candidates and quite truthfully are always looking backwards in order to defend such aggregious statements. Barack, like Clinton, McCain is a political machine and in fact from the more corrupt political machine in this country. Barack, a very intelligent man is politcally calculating as evidence with his straddling the Wright issue, and certainly savvy enough to run a very slick campaign thus far. His achilles heel may be that he simply cannot leave well enough alone. His speech would have been convincing had he stopped about a third of the way through when there was magic to the theme. Unfortunately for him, he had to throw his grandmother under the bus and then do it all over again with CNN. From my perspective people generally cannot leave an upsetting incident alone if they really have more to say. It is like underneath the surface things are festering and the media just keeps digging at the surface. None of us can really know how much faith will play in his daily life if he gets elected. I suspect quite a bit because life as a senator will pale in comparison to life as a president. They all grow old very quickly.
Posted by: verycold | March 25, 2008 10:46 PM
I would like to know why you refer to Obama as having the most liberal voting record, when he and Clinton voted almost identical! Why don't you point this fact out? Are you a Clinton supporter?
Posted by: raven29520 | March 25, 2008 11:16 PM
Lydia... I do not have it wrong. I was impressed with Obama at first but he seemed snyde and insincere so I read 100's of articles about him. What I found I did not like.
Obama came to Chicago for the sole reason that it was easier to get into politics there. He spent 10 months as a comunity organizer and his job was telling stories.
He lied at the Democratic Convention and said his father lived in a Tin shack, when his father's family were wealthy land owners and his mother's family were also wealthy. He's lead a privledged life and tries to cover it up with stories. He lied again about his family background in Selma, SC.
He created composite characters in his book so it is neither fiction or non-fiction, and he leis under pressure first saying he did not take money from Special interests and then turns out he ceratinly does and his main contributers are Wall Steet (those making a fortune of oil and raising gas prices weekly so they can have record profits and deefense contractors; and Big banks (those than finance the war and want more and more war) and Swiss Banks (terrorists and Drug Dealers).
He said Rezko gave him 60K, then he said 125K, now says 250K.
David Axelrod (look him up and read about him) has been his strategist since he arrived in Chicago and alos works for Mayor Daly. He is VICIOUS. I have seen Obama attack Hillary daily sice the beginning at the same time denying it and calling her Negative and am amazed that the press reports this...accept that Obama had the press running scared based on race because he constantly accuses people of racism and has been doing it since day one. He's a vicious story teller, so all I can say is have you ever been conned because Obama is conning US ALL, and yes I came to this conclusioo by reading about him alot...because I wanted to like him... but he just didn't seem sincere.
I'd like to see if he would actually work for change in the Seanate, but I do not trust him to be President, and he lies under pressure, and plays dirty politics while claiming to be nice, and it seems obvious to anyone who has their eyes open... so don't worry about me. I did my homework, and was open minded. This is not the first time a slick politician claimed to be everything they are not.
Obama can not win against McCain, mccain will blow the holes in Obama's stories wide Open. I'm not sure Obama cares. He's made a fortune on his books during this campaign, and it;s not unlikely his goal was to stop Hillary, because in reality she is the one who would buck the status quo.
Obama is tied to Bush trrough Rezko, he does not want to lower Oil prices and Wall Street profits, and can always run agains next time. He may well be a Republican operative who's mission was to stop Hillary. If you really look at his history, not just read what is on his website, you will understand how this may be possible. At 47, Obama has done little for civil rights or to change anything his goals are political power and wealth, and Rezko fund raised for both Obama and Bush. It he stops Hillary, he will be owed favors, and Obama is all about getting ahead at all costs, and he's not above the fray, he's part of the Chicago/Daly political machine and establisment. Don't feel bad that he fooled you, I too thought he was impressive at first. He's a talented speaker, and very polished, but his motives are self-serving, and he is not Mr. Nice Guy, that is definitely not the case.
Posted by: Steve | March 26, 2008 3:38 AM
Obama has been playing the race card since day one so add that many months and I think it's fair that people spend as much time focusing on how he has used race to get ahead and use race to his advantage.
Obama is not running a clean race, and has made race an issue and used race to win so far. So although he'd like the race issue to go away, he used it to his advantage for sa very long time. So now, he's getting the criticism he deserves for playing the cards he chose, and will likely get what he deserves, which is for people to not forget that he took advantage of the press and Hillary and everyone using race as both an attraction and a shield.
If he was white he'd be out of the race by now, because he's been playing so many games, and creating so much division, and all the while denying the truth.
Obama made his bed, and now he does not want to sleep in it, but that's life, and politics is tough, and being passive aggressive is no excuse for getting away with underhanded viciousness and divisiveness, and Obama is guilty of that, much more than Hillary, though he claims the opposite to be true.
Posted by: Cass | March 26, 2008 4:01 AM
This article has said:
'...in Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." When Obama asks voters to believe he can create a new politics in Washington, he's arguably asking them to take on faith "the evidence of things not seen" in his Washington political record.'
I think that paragraph should have had the courage to address the fact that faith is also the 'substance of things HOPED FOR' emphasising that fact that new politics is 'hoped for' by the American electorate. And the point is apart from Barack, NOBODY else is offering the electorate this "new politics" that they so desperately hope for - At least he's promising to pursue it!
PS. Barack’s record as a state legislator shows that he is well capable of successfully pursuing this goal and the electorate have kept faith by placing him firmly in the driving seat of the democratic nomination!
Posted by: Femi | March 26, 2008 10:35 AM
I challenge those who have posted on this site to list the sources they say they have consulted in making their decision to support either of the Democratic candidates. Readers can then make a determination for themselves the quality of the sources and the value of the material given.
Marilyn
Posted by: Marilyn Hersey | April 11, 2008 10:29 PM
I challenge those who have posted on this site to list the sources they say they have consulted in making their decision to support either of the Democratic candidates. Readers can then make a determination for themselves the quality of the sources and the value of the material given.
Marilyn
Posted by: Marilyn Hersey | April 11, 2008 10:30 PM