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Posted March 22, 2008 12:49 PM
The Swamp

By Jim Tankersley

You'll recall that earlier this month, the comedian Sinbad challenged Hillary Clinton's version of the dangers she - and Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow - faced together on a trip to Bosnia in 1996.

Today, the Washington Post is backing him up.

In a piece headlined "Sniper fire, and holes in Clinton's recollection," the Post "fact-checks" Clinton's campaign-trail claims that she landed amidst sniper fire on that trip and that her group ran with its heads down.

In fact, the Post says, the airport where Clinton landed that day was one of the safest in Bosnia at the time. The article continues: "Had Hillary Clinton's plane come 'under sniper fire' in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including The Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the first lady. 'As a former AP wire-service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened,' Pomfret said."

The Post awards the story four a maximum "Pinocchios" for exaggeration, which lands it in what the newspaper calls the "real whoppers" category.

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we already know she s a liar what s the newsflash here


hey.... WHERE ARE ALL YOU MOTHER-IN-LAWS on this one?


So much for that 'experience'. So, was she telling the truth about Peter Paul? Telling the truth about Whitewater? Telling the truth about anything? She is not trustworthy.


"Clinton's campaign-trail claims that she landed amidst sniper fire on that trip and that her group ran with its heads down."

HA! Whopper story? If this had come from Obama the media would not have called it just a whopper story and then dismissed it, they would be running it day and night as an OBAMA LIE, JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD BE DOING WITH CLINTON ABOUT THIS STORY!!
Sinbad had already said it was a whopper and so have 100 other newscounts but still it is being treated so lightly by the media. This is so disgusting, absolutely awful! And goes hand in hand with her NAFTA LIE that the media is also letting her get away with!


And what about Vince Foster? Has everyone forgotten him? Who else was at that stop the same night he committed "SUICIDE"?


Hillary telling a lie? That's not news. Hillary telling the truth would be news.


The Clintons have been caught in small lies and big lies for years now. They both lied under oath as President and First Lady. I guess they younger people are surprised because they weren't around at the time and it is something that they have tried very hard to swipe under the rug.

The news channel's like the Clintons and most of them support Hillary so they won't focus on her negative issues. They will give it a mention because the other stations are, but that is it. I wish they would be held accountable for their action's, their word's and their lies. Maybe the people should create their own news channel.

And what about the thousands of republican's that are coming out to vote for her because she is the weakest candidate? What, if anything can be done about that?


Limbaugh was all over this days ago, pictures of her in a greeting line, even though she says there was no greeting line because of snipers. She also said she and Chelsea had to run from the plane,amidst sniper fire. Again, pics show no running and no flak jackets.

Obama and Clintoon = worse and more worse.


How 'bout the video that clearly shows the lie?? Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c


Obama and Clintoon = worse and more worse.

Posted by: John D | March 22, 2008 4:06 PM


Worse and more worse?

You sir, are the very definition of a PSYCHOPATH.

1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PysDhbvwA

2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk

3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqtL-P8kzo


All you need to know about the real John McCain, NOT the one the media tells you about
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_record.htm


Who cares what WaPo says? It is owned by Sung Young Moon, a known cult leader. He's no better than LaRouche, and neither are the flunkies that work for him.


still don't know why so many people still votes for her.knowing what they know.are clinton supporters ok with her lies???


Who cares what WaPo says? It is owned by Sung Young Moon, a known cult leader. He's no better than LaRouche, and neither are the flunkies that work for him.

Posted by: rncbs | March 22, 2008 5:50 PM


Moon owns the rightwing rag Washington Times not the Post.


I'll tell ya a bigger whopper!

A Christian pastor at a southside Christian Chicago church spelled America...AmeriKKKa during one of hie sermons.

HA...Ha...Ha...do you believe that? !!!

And guess what! A presidential candidate attends that same church with his family for over 20 YEARS!

And then the pastor claims the white man infected the black man with aids!

Oh, and It gets better!

And then this pastor said we were the cause of 9/11!

Ha...Ha...Ha!

Do you believe that!

What a whopper!

Paulo


I'll tell ya a bigger whopper!

A Christian pastor at a southside Christian Chicago church spelled America...AmeriKKKa during one of hie sermons.

HA...Ha...Ha...do you believe that? !!!

And guess what! A presidential candidate attends that same church with his family for over 20 YEARS!

And then the pastor claims the white man infected the black man with aids!

Oh, and It gets better!

And then this pastor said we were the cause of 9/11!

Ha...Ha...Ha!

Do you believe that!

What a whopper!

Paulo


The Clintons are such liars because the media have let them get away with lie after lie after lie. They have been rewarded for lying, on not having sex with that or that or that woman, on whose money they have been taking and why, on how they have been piling on their multimillions, on having experience (of sniper fire!). Hillary and Bill are convinced they have merely to repeat lies about Senator Obama (his patriotism, his judgment, etc) and the media will return them to the WH. We cannot say, "Shame on you!" to the Clintons. They are shameless.


Ha...Ha...Ha!
Do you believe that!
What a whopper!
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | March 22, 2008 8:47 PM


Here's insane Wingnut cheerleader Paula campaigning for Hillary, I don't think we need any more proof that the Repubs are scared to death of running against Obama this fall...YES!!!

PS - Paulo, you don't have to sign your name at the end of your post you tard, it's already automatically printed out at the bottom along with the date and time.


Paulo, why don't you attend that church to see for yourself what goes on? I'm sure they will welcome you and treat you with due Christian hospitality. Maybe then you can as some of the congregation and church leaders all of the questions that you have in your deeply profound brain. It will not cost you anything, but maybe a buck or two in the collection pan. So, How bout it? Then you can report on your experience for all of us. Doing so will perhaps free you from the grips of "Silly season."


In keeping with the spirit of silly season will we see this video and news story shown for the next two weeks on all of the cable news shows? Will it be analyzed and scrutinized like the Wright story. Will Hillary be giving a speech to sanitize the issue? One write on Politico already questioned why she took her 16 year old daughter into an area that was believed to be too dangerous for the president. So, Hillary, front stage center for the next two weeks.


Rev Wright was quoting US Ambassador Peck's Sept 2001 appearance on Fox News in the "Coming home to roost" sound byte cherry picked from this sermon. The more I research the Reverend Wright and watch the complete sermons, I am convinced this is typical Rovian politics, just this time it is HRC and Mark Penn tactics. This is a non story spun and spoonfed by the media for infotainment purposes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related%3C/p%3E



GW

It's over....Barack's burnt toast.

Get over it.

Vote for Hillary so us Repubs can have a bigger laugh!

You lost either way.

It will go to Denver and then... democRATic race riots against their own.

Heeee....heeee...heeee.

Typical white person,

Paulo


Oh c'mon. So Hillary added a few sniper rounds to spice up the story...So what? Didn't it make a better headline that way? Hillary may have kissed the blarney stone once too often, but I'll be she knows that Al Queda is Sunni and Iran is mostly Shia.


Don't ignore that the WaPo article has been updated. For all you folks who are so elated at this "revelation"

"UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.
UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.

Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any "security threat" to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any "sniper threat," he now tells me there were a couple of "security concerns" that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a "non-specific report" of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that "some of the communications associated with the First Lady's visit were being monitored."

"In both cases, we took appropriate security action," said Nash, adding that Clinton's visit was not disrupted.

Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton's Tuzla trip, please send them along."


I think we have to give her some slack, she al least keeps her family values high.

1.^ In 1995, Hillary Clinton said her mother had named her after Sir Edmund Hillary, co-first-climber of Mount Everest, and that was the reason for the unusual "two L's" spelling. However, the Everest climb did not take place until 1953, more than five years after Clinton was born. Critics have used the discrepancy as evidence that she is prone to fabrications. In October 2006, a Clinton spokeswoman said she was not in fact named after the mountain climber, rather "It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add." See Danny Hakim. "Hillary, Not as in the Mount Everest Guy", The New York Times, 2006-10-17 "


Once again, the Clinton's are slimed by the media. The Washington Post is no different from the Washington Times. Even the New York Times is now indistinguishable from The Moonie Times.
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The Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit . . .
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Gee, if only the right-wing media was that dilligent in checking Bush's lies, we might not be in this 100 year war.


Y'all realize there's video coverage of that heroic tarmac dash, right? From Matt Yglesias.

This really deserves more attention. A week after Sinbad(!!!) shot down the dangerous landing, she was giving an enhanced version of the daring trip. This is after her people had time to check news accounts and find the video above. Yes, memories get fuzzy, but this is rather extraordinary.

(And, while no pilot, I've seen pilots rotfl-ing at the idea that the plane in use is one chosen for tricky maneuvers.)

This is her foreign policy experience. The answer to "What exactly are you referring to in that 35 years that's relevant experience?" If she's making it up, and doesn't care that she's making it up--look, I know "the Clintons are lying" is no longer news, but could the fact that it's not news at least be news?


Hillary has just given the Republicans their swift boat ad against her. They'll make her into a cartoon vs John McCain's real war time experiences.


Either it's a flat out lie or Hillary is VERY confused. Either way, not so much with the "Presidential" . . .


Hillary must have inhaled.

Puff the magic dragon and you'll likely see all kinds of things.


Add another notch to the Clinton belt with this story. I get a kick out of how much spin is put on everything in the media: HRC gets video-taped lying, time, and time, and time, and time again. And it always seems to dissapear in the woodwork.

Obama (since they can not find dirt on him) has had an aquantence say something (not actually DO IT!) and it gets played for weeks in the news media.

Yes, I do like the comment from above: Where ARE all her supporters in this thread. I'll tell you why: It's because most of her bloggers these days are Republicans, and this story does not help McCain get ellected.

HRC just needs to bow out, for her names sake and legacy.


Bud: Curb your enthusiasm a bit. Comments like that do not help Obama, nor the party, nor the cause. Let's leave that kind of talk to the HRC camp. It is obvious HRC is fading fast, let's let her be judged on her own actions.


Bruce Y - Why do you call searching out the facts throwing slime? Shouldn't the media be checking the truth behind a statement, whether that statement is made by Clinton, Obama, McCain, Bush . . . or their surrogates?


Judith: You do have an ever so slight point, that is that politicians should not lie, nor should anyone for that matter. But, as this last few months have shown, nothing can be gained from throwing mud/slime. When fabrication and distortion are used to the degree that they have been, I would just as soon hear about the issues and how the politicians are going to address these real things. I really could care less what is dug up from 10+ years ago. If it's current, then there is a point.


Did anyone bother to call Hillary or the campaign for a response to this story? Probably not--just print it out of context and add to the daily slander.


I find it amazing the amount of time that has been devoted to the Rev. Wright story (one could argue rightly so) but what I can't understand is how major blunders like HRC's distortion of the truth and McCaine's gaffes are under-reported. I have searched every major authority on news reporting(CNN,MSNBC,FOXNEWS,Politico, etc.,) and these stories aren't remotely detectable, but we're still talking about Rev. Wright going into a third week. If Obama was caught in an egregious lie or if he went overseas mixed up sunnis, shites and al queda there would be a national outcry to step down immediately.


There were no guns or gunfire just people giving out flowers to the Americans. Hillary is such a fibber.


Who would vote for another Clinton who lies to your face. I'm tired of being lied to by these hucksters from Arkansas.Tell the Beverly Hillbillies to move back to the sticks New York.

How disgraceful to be led by such a legend in her own mind. She probably invented the internet too. Gore must of scored his lines from Hillary and Bill, when he was running for president.

Bill paid down the deficit and had a surplus too. He lied about that too.

No wonder she is telling everyone she won the election......she is so physchotic, that she believes her own fantasies, in the little world she lives in.


There were no guns in Bosnia. The Serbs were handing out flowers to the Americans.


The CBS Evening News story broadcast last night that proves once and for all that Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton indeed continues to suffer from Partzheimer’s (a.k.a., Convenient Memory-Loss Syndrome) as first highlighted in a Bob McCarty Writes post one year ago this month and reiterated in posts March 27, 2007 and Sept. 12, 2007.

Now the question is “Why did it take CBS, the New York Times and others in the mainstream media so long to report on the former first lady’s affliction?”


I think this is so silly. If she'd said, "we had to hurry and cancel the usual greeting ceremony" instead "we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles." She would have been completely accurate. This part, "she and her crew landed in an 'evasive maneuver under sniper fire'" is true. I heard a reporter on CNN who had talked to someone else on the plane.

Good grief. I'm so sick of this crap. I actually heard Candy Creepy Crawly saying last night that this is important because it's part of what she claims as her foriegn policy experience. So . . . if there were bullets literaly whizing over her head, she'd have more xperience than if there were just the threat? What a bunch of useless retards. The candidates are fine - we need a new press. These idiots didn't bother doing any investigative journalism before the Iraq war, but now they think there're really on to something. Lord help us


I have always known that Hillary was not trustworthy. Saying things to please the audience is so dishonest yet hillary continues to perform that way. Why is the news media so silent, had it been Obama, CNN (clinton news network )would have never stopped blasting it.


Just read well documented books about the Clintons--and one will see that "lies" are to the Clintons the price you pay in politics. By "price," I mean the way their closest confidantes turn against them after they stop with both or either (except Ickes)-wake up people. This couple will is "for sale!" Talk about prostitution and New York. How about Bill and Hillary?

Al Figone


I really feel I've gotten an education in this campaign. I'm a 57 year old woman and once was a huge Hillary fan (during Clinton's 1st administration - and Hillary's work on health care). For me Hillary has now clearly morphed into her enemy. She has become the liar, and the 'win-by-any-means' politician that has ruined this country and made the world far less than it once was.
If Obama had made one such exaggerated statement (Hillary has now made so very many) it would be put on an endless media loop 'til his candidacy was in ruin. Hillary clearly cares little for her country or her party. It is now all about winning.


I really feel I've gotten an education in this campaign. I'm a 57 year old woman and once was a huge Hillary fan (during Clinton's 1st administration - and Hillary's work on health care). For me Hillary has now clearly morphed into her enemy. She has become the liar, and the 'win-by-any-means' politician that has ruined this country and made the world far less than it once was.
If Obama had made one such exaggerated statement (Hillary has now made so very many) it would be put on an endless media loop 'til his candidacy was in ruin. Hillary clearly cares little for her country or her party. It is now all about winning.


I really feel I've gotten an education in this campaign. I'm a 57 year old woman and once was a huge Hillary fan (during Clinton's 1st administration - and Hillary's work on health care). For me Hillary has now clearly morphed into her enemy. She has become the liar, and the 'win-by-any-means' politician that has ruined this country and made the world far less than it once was.
If Obama had made one such exaggerated statement (Hillary has now made so very many) it would be put on an endless media loop 'til his candidacy was in ruin. Hillary clearly cares little for her country or her party. It is now all about winning.


I really feel I've gotten an education in this campaign. I'm a 57 year old woman and once was a huge Hillary fan (during Clinton's 1st administration - and Hillary's work on health care). For me Hillary has now clearly morphed into her enemy. She has become the liar, and the 'win-by-any-means' politician that has ruined this country and made the world far less than it once was.
If Obama had made one such exaggerated statement (Hillary has now made so very many) it would be put on an endless media loop 'til his candidacy was in ruin. Hillary clearly cares little for her country or her party. It is now all about winning.


I really feel I've gotten an education in this campaign. I'm a 57 year old woman and once was a huge Hillary fan (during Clinton's 1st administration - and Hillary's work on health care). For me Hillary has now clearly morphed into her enemy. She has become the liar, and the 'win-by-any-means' politician that has ruined this country and made the world far less than it once was.
If Obama had made one such exaggerated statement (Hillary has now made so very many) it would be put on an endless media loop 'til his candidacy was in ruin. Hillary clearly cares little for her country or her party. It is now all about winning.


I really feel I've gotten an education in this campaign. I'm a 57 year old woman and once was a huge Hillary fan (during Clinton's 1st administration - and Hillary's work on health care). For me Hillary has now clearly morphed into her enemy. She has become the liar, and the 'win-by-any-means' politician that has ruined this country and made the world far less than it once was.
If Obama had made one such exaggerated statement (Hillary has now made so very many) it would be put on an endless media loop 'til his candidacy was in ruin. Hillary clearly cares little for her country or her party. It is now all about winning.


“Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?!” -Hillary Rodham Clinton, 2000

What's the difference between something that keeps coming back, and something that just won't go away? Mr. and Mrs. Clinton's list of lies will provide journalistic fodder for decades. However, thanks to DNA, Internet, and other technologies, many of their misdeeds have already come to light, with more on the way. Although the Clintons continue to lie, thank goodness for that. Blatant untruths only serve to increase the likelihood of their getting caught: http://theseedsof9-11.com


Nancy Brock - Obama has made significant numbers of exagerated statements and the fact that you haven't heard a lot about them says a lot about the media coverage.

I too am disappointed in Hillary - and if Obama is better it is onlly because he has spent less time in the public life.

I could enumerate them his tall tales, but due to time and space, I won't. But they are out there on the Internet - from reputable sources.

I wish we didn't have too candidates who feel they have to invent a persona to run for office.


Is enough ever enough? I mean to get busted by Sinbad on one of your lies is quite funny I found Hillary Clinton Lies.

On a side note if you saw today Sinbad owes millions in back taxes. Maybe he should have went along with the story?

Jason


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