Obama picks up 14 more delegates: The Swamp
 
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Posted March 16, 2008 1:14 PM
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David Broder (L), Michel Norris (2L), of NPR, of the Washington Post, and David Gregory (2R), of NBC, listen to Tim Russert (R) ask a question during a live taping of Meet the Press at NBC March 16, 2008 in Washington, DC.

by James Oliphant

Sen. Barack Obama picked up 14 new delegates yesterday, widening his lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton even as the Clinton campaign maintained the race was in a dead heat.

Obama grabbed nine delegates in Iowa as the majority of John Edwards' delegates were awarded to him. And late Saturday night, he added five delegates in California. According to the Associated Press, Obama now enjoys a 119-delegate advantage over Clinton.

The delegate count was a central focus of Sunday's "Meet the Press" on NBC. The news program featured Rep. Nita Lowey, a Clinton supporter, and former Sen. Bill Bradley, who backs Obama.

Lowey focused on a core Clinton argument, that because Clinton has won more key states, she is more electable than Obama.

"Now, you and I know that no one, since 1960, has won the presidency without winning Iowa. [perhaps she meant Ohio?] We know you have to win Iowa, we have to win Pennsylvania, you have to win Florida. There are key states that are critical to getting the number of votes in the electoral college," Lowey said. "And I think right now, frankly, it's a tie, and I would hope . . . that between now and the time we go to the convention, we can have a really constructive discussion [about the issues]."

Bradley countered that if Obama has the most delegates at the time of the convention, he should be the nominee.

"Barack Obama has more delegates, more votes, he's won more states. Last night in Iowa he won 10 more votes. If you take what happened in Mississippi and Wyoming, he won more net delegates in those two races than Senator Clinton did in Ohio and Texas combined," Bradley said. "So I clearly think that we're heading into a period where, certainly, after last night, she's got to win more than 60 percent of all the remaining -- all the remaining states."

The contentious subject of what to do about Florida and Michigan came up. Not surprisingly, Bradley echoed the position of the Obama camp, saying, in effect that because the Democratic party in those states broke the rules, they shouldn't be seated. Or if they are, the delegates should be split 50-50.

Moderator Tim Russert quoted Clinton saying in October about Michigan: "You know, it's clear, this election they are having in Michigan is not going to count for anything."

Last week, Clinton said she believed the results in Michigan should indeed count.

Lowey responded to Russert by saying that if Democrats had any hope of winning the general election, voters in Michigan and Florida should not be disenfranchised.

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The HillBillary campaign continues its' Alice in Wonderland-like campaign as if voters can't tell the difference.

Pathetic.


It is incredible that anyone would think that if a democrat lost a primary vote in a state in a Democratic Party primary, that they would lose a general election vote in a state with a general election. If the Super Delegates actually believe this, they are fools. The Clinton campaign must think they are incredibly naïve. If the Democrats void the candidate with the most delegates, most states and most individual votes, then they certainly will lose the general election, as they will disenfranchise the majority of voters!

But the Clinton campaign must really believe that the Super Delegates are idiots if they believe this tortured and twisted logic. This is a reason why Hillary Clinton would be a poor decision maker. She is patently unfair in her thinking and as far as "fairness" is ethically bankrupt.


"Shame on YOU, Hillary Clinton," for the Republican-type campaign you are running against Barack Obama.


Right here is where we can start the debate with NAFTA trade partners on how this type of issue can be put into our NAFTA Trade / Immigration Agreements , to include provisions that come with the Immigrants that want a fast track citizenship , to allow for some sort of provision like letting the US become more involved in the Progress of the economy of Mexico with locating alternative Energy sites in the central south central areas of Mexico that will allow for BIO Algae Generating facilities and Solar powered Energy Fields to be installed across vast regions in the central American region , then we can all benefit from the progress this would all generate for the Economies of these nations . Trade for these resources and the Jobs to produce and maintain these sites would be extremely beneficial for the North and Central American regions , and could integrate southward into the south American Continent with similar values , and alternate the use of Food related energy ingredients , and oil related energies for a More Diverse energy Resource development Enterprises for multi-National Benefits . The specific energy development of BIO - Algae ; http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/63001 , has the additional benefits of allowing the generation of additional Food Supplement Ingredients to use as food additives to increase the Nutritional and Bulk supply of our food requirements to offset future shortages in overall food resources , as has been explained in various debates about the future population Increases by the middle of this century , see this discussion ; The future of global farming and food supply ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug


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Sonora Mexico Legislature Upset With Influx of….... Mexicans!
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According to a story in the Tucson Citizen, nine state legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems many Mexican illegals are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked.
'A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora - Arizona's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.' 'The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.' These Mexican legislators are upset because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a huge burden on their state government.
'How can they pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano Gamez, who represents Nogales.
'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona,' she said in Spanish. 'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs', she said..
'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said (meaning the people of Sonora, MX and of Arizona, US).
Um, no.
The United States is a sovereign nation, and its states and its citizens are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens. When was the last time Mexico took care of the welfare of US citizens?? It's time for the Mexican government to stop feeding off of the United States and start finding ways to start taking care of its own citizens.


HRC needs to realize there s more than family connections for the top political job in america. the bushies have made certain dynasties will noy be entertained in the future.

It might haveworked in NY senate seat. NYers are suckers for bill, but the halo is gone. Obama is a quality individual who's made his own success. His experience is light years ahead of HRC's nepotism based "success"


If the roles were reversed, Obama would have been pressured into stepping down after super tuesday 2.
Why are the democrats so afraid to bear down on Clinton? They're not just shooting themselves in the foot, they're going after it with a machine gun! Wake up, and save your party!


I don't believe BO can win the general election. Democrats are going to most likely shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN!

The far left liberal supporters of BO's are not where most of America is. Most of us are moderate, much more aligned with HRC's policies.

BO appears "weak", as do his main supporters...e.g., Daschle, Kerry, & Bradley. All of these senators ran for the Presidency, and all failed. HRC can beat the republicans..BO, and his "new to the political system" supporters, will be "shocked and awed" by the republican methods come the general election. If we nominate BO, why don't we just go ahead and forfeit, and hand the keys over to J M.

The media has fallen in love with BO, and most voters base their uninformed votes on tv land snippets, so all of us democrats who know what the Rush L.'s and Karl R.'s will do in the fall, just shake our heads as we watch our lemming democrats go right over the cliff AGAIN!

I'm for HRC.


DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...


Hey maybe she could offer him the veep slot again? I can't wait to see the backbend she'll have to paint this as a victory for her. Or maybe she'll give in and cry again.

It's been about 15 months of this, call me either after Obama wins or the DNC riots. Again.

Those are the options, leading into McCain's effortless victory.


When this contest first started, I supported Clinton and Obama equally. But her fake "crying" in New Hampshire, her negative campaigning, her insistence that the vote in Michigan (where Obama was not even on the ballot) and Florida (where he didn't campaign) be included in her delegate count, have shown us who she REALLY IS -- a coniving, opportunitstic, has-been politician who cares more about her personal ambition than about the viabilility of the Democratic party and the needs of our country.
I know that I am one of many in her "demographic" -- a Democratic, white woman over 40 -- who will definitely vote for John McCain if Hillary grabs the Democratic nomination over Obama. I'd love to see a woman elected President of the United States but NOT THIS WOMAN!


The Obama campaign needs to point out a simple fact: winning a state in a primary does not guarantee winning in a general match up. For example, in California Obama lead over McCain is twice as wide as Clinton’s lead over McCain.

But facts never stood in the way of the Clinton camp. Just like their bogus claims on foreign policy and SCHIP, and pay-to-play earmarks (69% Clinton’s corporate earmark recipients contributed to her campaign: LA Times Dec. 10, 2007).

Sooner or later the truth comes out; I hope the Obama shines light on these and other policy-ethics issues.


If my vote in Michigan doesn't count then I am going to vote for John McCain. Atleast the Republicans care about my vote.


It looks like the race is over as a contest. Hilary cannot catch up. Its time for the referee to stop the fight and save the party.

Go Home Hilary. Don't ruin our democarcy for your selfish purposes.


i am a rednecked hill-billy and I resent the use of the term "HillBillary" to describe the clintons - it is an insult to us hillbillies - we hillbillies gave up racism a long long time ago and the clintons still use the race card as often as they can get away with

also us hillbillies are better at math than the clintons who somehow argue that they are the winners when they are losing in number of votes and number of delegates and number of states won

yup - us hillbillies are much better at math and much more sophisticated than the arithmetically-challenged and race-baiting clintons

i think we should call them the...

WILLARY JEFFERDAMN CLINTONS

or sumpin like that - just stop insulting us hillbillies


zThe best solution to the contentious subject of what to do about Michigan and Florida is to have another primary vote paid for by the Candidates. However, with neither candidate likely to reach the 2024 delegate votes required for the nomination, the winner is going to be determined by the Super Delegates. Contrary to the popular opinion that the Super Delegates should cast their vote for the Candidate with the most delegate votes, the responsibility of the Super Delegates is to vote for the most qualified candidate to become President of the United States of America. While Sen. Obama is very inspirational and an undisputed warrior of uniting people into a common cause, Sen. Hillary Clinton is much more accomplished and more qualified to lead on day one. My vote goes to Sen. Hillary Clinton and so too should the Super Delegate Votes.


I am growing wary of HRC shifting in positions about Michigan. First she signed a pledge to not participate in the primary on that state, then she clearly stated that the results did not count for anything, yet she left her name on the ballot. Now she's saying that she won, and that it was the other candidates decision to take their names out of the process. I have to wonder if her position would be similar if Obama was on the ballot there and had won the contest.


All these subversive comments about Republicans voting for Obama, because he is the weaker opponent is a joke. Most of your comments put more fear into the air, but truthfully, you are the FOOLS. Clinton will sink the DEMS because all the new and young voters will not vote for in the general election. Get on board. Obama is a sincere, ethical individual. That is something HRC can't say about herself.


What few are talking about is the defection of the Hillary supporters, if Obama is the candidate. Many of them say, they will vote Republican! Repeatedly, I hear Obama is a good person, but needs considerable more vetting and experience. One place where it showed was the tragedy at Northern Illinois University, in his home state. It took him a day to comment and express a message about the tragedy and then his words were very bland.


The superdelegates need to start throwing their support behind Senator Obama. Clearly, he is the one to lead our country out of the quagmire we have been in for the last 16 years. The superdelegates CAN and SHOULD END the mess in which the democrat party finds itself. They need to ACT NOW!!

Hillary, Bill and camp have contributed nothing but chaos and division to this campaign. Surely, the superdelegates can see this clearly. They must realize they OWE THE CLINTONS NOTHING. Senator Obama is ahead on all counts and you, the superdelegates, need to support him wholeheartedly and help him more this country forward! Sitting around waiting and worrying about what could happen at the convention is nonsense. ACT NOW and avoid a broken party!


I am a born democrat, but if those who have the power to issue super delegates give the nomination to Hillary, my vote, for the first time, will be for John McCain, Republican. It's obvious that Obams is the people's choice. It matters not whether he did not win the larger states, the majority counts and he is in the majority.

Give it up Hillary. You have had your chance in the WH, now let someone else have that privilege. Someone who is bright with bright ideas, wisdom and, yes, humility to seek advise (because he will not have all the answers); and the ability to bring about a real change in America and, ultimately, the world.


NO MORE BUSH/CLINTON DYNASTY.

The Clintons make me sick.


It just seems that Hillary and McBush are desperate, with last weeks dirty smear attacks against Obama for his race and religion...

PEOPLE OBAMA'S RACE AND RELIGION AREN'T THE ISSUE HERE!!!!

It just irks me how people will let what Ferraro and Obama's former pastor determine how Obama is... did Obama base his campaign based solely on his race, and his views from his pastor? NO. He based his campaign on running a positive campaign, and one that is funded by the American people for the American people. And that's why he leads in pledged delegates, popular vote, and in virtually any matchup against McBush, enough people out there see past the dirty Rovian smears put out by Hillary and the Repug elite, it's time for Hillary Huckabee Rovian Clinton to step down because she doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the nomination fair and square... the superdelegates are smarter than she thinks they are, the superdelegates WILL NOT go against the will of the American people, unless they want to create another civil war...


I worked like hell for Obama in my home state. If they hand it to Hillary on a silver platter, you can take it from me, there will be riots, 1968 will happen again.


Of the 25 largest states in the U.S., Barack Obama has won more! I realize that the Clinton campaign wants to say that states, including Washington (larger than Massachusetts), Virginia, Georgia, Wisconsin, Missouri, Illinois are not large states. But they are! Go Obama...more delegates, greater popular vote, more states. Maybe she says whoever wins the most states that have New in them, should win. That would be fair, right Hillary?


Ah, if only twas a dynasty and if only twas the United States of the Minority who Voted for Hillary. We could all count only when the countess says we count, and otherwise we would be ignored while more convenient folk mattered.


It is sad to note how a country like United States of America with abundants of intellects and quality leaders let only two family names rule them for decades. This is no different from what saddam Hussien intended to do--handover to his son. Neither is it any different from what is happening in Cuba--Castro to Raul. It is time Americans realize this selfishness of the Bushes and the Clintons. Obama is the right candidate with the right judgement for this moment in America and or the world.


The many personas of Hillary Clinton:
1) Weepy Hillary - this is personal to me
2) Tough hard Hillary - my way or no way
3) Left-wing Hillary - thinks only she and McCain qualify for Commander-in-Chief. Dismisses Senator Obama as bringing ONLY a speech
4) Victim HIllary - the boys club is piling on me, the boys club is picking on me
5) Witch Hillary - belittles everyone who does not agree with her. Reduces small states and causes states and their voters as unimportant and they don't count
6) Flip-Flop Hillary - Michigan voters don't count, now they suddenly count!
Same with Florida and its voters
7) Anti-Feminist Hillary - lets, and joins, Bill's operatives smear and destroy the women has has exploited and victimized
8) Hollywood Hillary
9) Jewish Hillary
10) The BIG state, BiG delegates Hillary, only these states count
11) The abide-by-the-DNC rules Hillary - as long as things are going her way
12) The refusal-to-abide by the DNC rules when things don't go her way
13) The I finally found my voice Hillary
14) The look, I am really likeable Hillary - witness her likeability tours in Wisconsin
15) The I am honored, I am honored to be on this stage with Barack Obama, I am honored Hillary
16) The outraged Hillary
17) The mocking Hillary
18) The plantation dowager Hillary - shame on you Barack Obama...this is what I expect from you!! Treating Senator Obama as if he is her slave, I am surprised she did not produce her whip
19) The condescending Hillary - Tells American voters that unless they vote for her they don't count
20) The cackling Hillary - every so annoying
21) The slash-and-burn Hillary
22) The finger-pointing Hillary
23) The arm waving Hillary
24) The obviously unstable Hillary

And on and on. She changes her persona about as often as she changes her pantsuits. One never knows which of the many Hillaries we are going to see next or if we will see yet another new persona.

Hillary constant change of personas bespeaks of her total lack of stability, emotionally, mentally, and politically. Bottom line, Hillary is NOT fit for the Office of the Presidency.


"Hope For Healing" should be another slogan for Obama. Only Obama has what it akes to help heal the obvious racial wounds are nation has. Give hope a cahnce. Let's heal America together.


I respectfully disagree with several points made in this forum. First, I have been saying for over a year, that if Hillary were the democratic nominee, that the GOP would win. The present campaign against her is bad enough. If she gets the nomination, do you think the GOP will hold back? We will hear much more about "Whitewater", "national health care", and "Monica". Frankly, I don't believe Hillary can win. Second, do people really believe Obama is the left-winger? Many have lied about him, based on things he has no contol over.
He is not a Muslim. He has no control over racists like Farrakhan. He has siad or done nothing for which many stupid people give him credit. On the other hand, as first lady and New York senator, we know where Hillary is. She has proven her left leanings. This, plus her slimy campagning, and her husband, make me believe that no matter whom you support, Hillary cannot win. If you are a Democrat, you need to support Obama.


My dear Americans, please do not look only at one issue that may be important but not highly significant or a high priority issue...i.e. Democrats fighting over associates saying unkind things to each other.....this is like sibling squabbling, but if someone outside the family says or does something not to their liking, the family joins together and fights...With this in mind, Senator Obama so far is 1st in states, popular vote and delegates...He still has momentum. The Democrats have to join forces for the eventual winner whoever it is and not vote for Republican McCain. Why? More War...more wasted lives and money...more foreclosures...more bank problems...more educational college loan problems...more No Child Left Behind for children who are left behind--check the graduation rates-and most of all the reinstitution of the draft to fight the wars in Afghan/Iraq and Iran. Think about it!!!!....Oh, yes, why does the Senator have to go overseas to raise campaign money....what's really happening with that......AMERICANS FIND OUT EVERY ISSUE (not just a one dimensional issue) BEFORE YOU VOTE......


"YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses.

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother."

Gender is nowhere on my list of qualities I use to evaluate a president, neither is race. Warmongering sure is, and so I don't vote for Warmongerers.

You can spread whatever propaganda you want. You may really believe that there has been a Rebuplican consiperacy to get Obama into the Democratic Nomination because America is too racist to vote for him.
Or maybe it's just that a few Republicans also don't vote for Warmongerers.

If Clinton can't win the democratic nomination by popular vote, she sure as hell doesn't deserve it. Right now she's not even doing what's best for her own party. She's drawing out this contest and dividing people because all she cares about is being president.

Then there's the fact she's the weaker candidate......


Hillary is not hurting Obama with her kitchen sink strategy she is hurting the democrat nominee for POTUS.

The Republicans are laughing all the way to the White House.

It takes a dem to ruin a good thing.


can some1 tell HRC that WH is not a honey moon suite.. lol


WELL - guess it is going to be UNLIKE the kid on the corner, who knows when to go home - the Clintons
will 'stick' around no matter
what. THe junk coming out of Billary's mouth and the garbage coming out of Hillary's is pure bul@#^$^.
Hrc can't make up her mind? as to what to do in Mich/ much less the rest of the country. She will stay around and just destroy things by "CLAIMING " she
is AHEAD .. Must be 'new' math or sumtin when
a SMALLER number(hers)
is AHEAD of a larger number(BO) ..... A
VOTE for her is asking
for T R O U B L E....
She couldn't even keep her own house in order.


jacksmith,you are a deluded fool. in every poll,Obama beats McCain by an additional 5-7 points over Bilary.
I say enough with political dynasties already...bush OR clinton.


This is why this country is in the mess with both parties because of the American people flip flopping. The Congress and Senate, majority of these people should have been voted out a long time ago. Bill and Hillary ought to be ashame or themselves especially Bill for NAFTA, botch gun control, building more jails than schools. Hillary will tie up the senate, and Bill with his backroom deals, they will be fighting in hell because of control and power. Maybe another time for Hillary and this time in our country Hillary needs to give it up for the sake of the country and the party. For the ones who will go in the opposite direction because of who will win the democratic election, "Shame on You." Stop flip flopping and vote for the country not your likes and dislikes. This country is going through the effects of the Clinton era, and they think we are so naive and got stupid written on our forehead to believe otherwise. Give Obama a chance and rally behind him with the support and prayers to get this country back on the right track. Vote out Pelosi, Reed, Waters, and the list goes on because they have not did a *&^%$$# thing for us, and George Bush is still getting what he wants. What's the use of impeachment of Bush, with these cronnies in office. They are a bunch of fluff fill with hot air. I bet you their bank accts isn't suffering and of course they are not worry about $4 a gal at the pump, flying around on our tax dollars. VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE, and stop the flip flopping.


Why do we need another vote in Florida? Clinton and Obama were both on the ticket.Oh I forgot Obama got his clock cleaned there!


While I certainly understand that it seems Un-American for Super Delegates not to cast their vote for the Candidate with the majority of the popular vote, we must remember that there wouldn't have been a need for Super Delegates if the winner of the popular vote were to automatically receive all Super Delegate Votes. The purpose of the Super Delegate Votes is not to break a tie, rather to select the "best qualified" candidate. While I'm very impressed with Sen. Obama's inspiration and ability to unite people together, I fail to understand how anyone could deny Sen. Hillary Clinton not being much more accomplished. Can you tell me just one legislative accomplishment of Sen. Barack Obama? I would like to know.


SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT !

Give EVERY Democrat a gun so they can continue to shoot themselves in the feet right up to (and hopefully past) Election Day ! :)

GO OBAMA ! GO BILLARY ! SHOOT ! SHOOT ! SHOOT !

P.S. To Senator Obama, if you feel your middle name "Hussein" is a problem, just CHANGE your name ! :) Both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton did ! :)



There ya go again, Jacksmith---No, Honey, you've got it backwards. The Republicans are crossing over to vote for Hillary, believing her to be the easier candidate to beat in November.

Jeez, can you read the news?? 24% of her vote in Texas was from Republicans posing as Democrats. This didn't work in the long run. Obama still won the most delegates, as he should have---even with the faux vote.


Hillary will be remembered for this campaign when she lauded McCain over Obama. The conniving, the lies, the deliberate manipulation of racist remarks to try and convince us we can't afford a black president has turned our stomachs and forever taints what was left of the Clinton legacy.


Of course Hillary won Florida. She would probably win all states if neither she nor obama campaigned. She is better known. Especially in the early stages of this campaign. The point in campaigning is to introduce yourself. When this happens, Obama either wins or closes the gap. Clinton knows this and her supportes know this as well. So your argument "they both were on the ballot so it should count, is lacking logic


I have a question that is not raised nor intended to be inflamatory to race: With Barack Obama's father being of Middle Eastern descent and his mother a Caucasian Female, how are so many Americans believing that Sen. Barack Obama is African American?


I don't know how the people who support Hillary can really think she stands a snowball's chance in the general election. I'm an independent and already I can think of a couple of TV ads that are lightweight, but will doom her campaign:

1) Find some video clip of when she ran for re-election to the Senate where she promised the voters that she would finish her term and NOT run for President. Voiceover: "If she lied to the people of New York, can we trust her with the rest of the Country?"

2) Voiceover begins, "In the last Clinton administration we had scandal, sexual escapades and almost an impeachment..." as the voiceover's going, the camera gives us shots of newspaper headlines relevant to the item mentioned. Voiceover concludes "Do we want to run the risk of seeing headlines like this again?"

And these are the quick ones off the top of my head, and I'm not related to Karl Rove. In other words, it won't be Hillary campaigning, it will be "Billary." And that's why she comes up short in poll after poll against Senator McCain and why it will be Barack Obama who gives us a Democratic administration next year.


Let's look at the big state's Hillary has won, to see if she would win them where Barack Obama wouldn't:

New York: will vote for the democrat
California: will vote for the democrat
Ohio......: will vote republican
Texas....: will vote republican
Nevada..: who cares as long as they have casinos, so long as they don't steal water from the midwest to fill all those toilets and showers.

Hillary Clinton will have NO advantage in the general election. She won states that have uneducated whites. They will not vote for a woman or a black man in the general election.

The right wing states she won will vote republican. Neither Clinton nor Obama will win those states. The more left leaning states that Clinton won, will vote for the democrats.

For those democrats that keep pandering to the extreme right wingers....stop now.

With the economy down, infrustructure down, war, increase in crime...this is a time to stand by your issues, liberals, and pick a liberal candidate. Instead, the fearful Hillary backers are pandering again to the extreme right wing. This is a failure of imagination. They don't care about where they want the country to go. They've already lost hope. They just want to go back to "the good old days under Clinton." Those days are dead. We are in the future....time to move on. Let's end the war, end the corporate kick backs, end the false news, promote peace, job growth through innovation, and bringing back participatory democracy. That is neither republican nor democrat.

Obama gives us a best chance to put partisanship aside. McCain gives us the best chance to lower taxes again and spend more on war and police to stroke our notions of fear, whether they have a basis or not. Hillary will do whatever she thinks people want McCain to do, or whatever she thinks McCain is trying to get them to think his lobbyists are trying to get him to do. Confusing.


Senator Clintons "superdelegate strategy" is a joke. Consider what would have happened to Obama if he had the same string of state losses as her? Or trailing in state wins, votes and delegates? I think the media and powers that be would have railroaded his campaign into the ground a long time ago and we would all be sleeping like little democratic cuddlers knowing that our party was safe from a little bit of true democracy. Pathetic.


Jacksmith seemingly has the "Billary- Bush" personality disorder wherein one believes one's own dishonest mantra if it is sufficiently repeated.


To Randy Roe: Just a little correction to your question. Mr. Obama's father was from Kenya. That is in Africa, not the middle-east.
But your question illustrates something about us americans and how superficial we are. We say that Obama is black, despite the fact that his mother was white and he was essentially raised by his white mother and later his white grand-parents. So, my question is "What makes one black in the US?"
Is it just the fact that you "look" black? Or are we still abiding by the "1 drop rule?" For all those caucasians who think of Obama as being black, perhaps you should consider that he could have been your nephew or grand-child.


America: let's pass the baton to the new, fresh face, Barack Obama, the candidate who stands the best chance of unifying Americans and presenting a unified and dignified American profile to the international community. Hillary and John, it is time for you to step aside as the old guard and give Barack Obama his chance to excel.
Hopeful for America


Looking at the math doesn't look like Hillary can win majority of pledged delegates. She should just get out of the race now in the interest of the Democratic party. If Barack was slightly trailing in delegates he would have been pushed out by party leaders and media. Hillary did win Ohio and Texas but did not gain much in terms of delegates. The fact that she still is in the race shows she does not care about the party. The party leaders should come out and pressurize her on leaving the race gracefully. Do you think if Hillary is not nominated the Democratic voters of New York or California or Texas and Ohio will vote for republican candidate? It is a wishful thinking.


When a negative becomes a positive:

When I was just a child, I became ill and my mother sent my brothers to seek out my father to take me to the hospital. My father sent word back to let me die. Not being too young not to understand his message, of course it remained with me so far all my life.
After completing twenty-one years of military service, my father and I were again reunited and the relationship was cordial at best. About three years after I left the military, he became violently ill with cancer and we all knew that his death was close. During one of my visits to his bedside, he informed me that he did not want to die and that he was afraid. I informed him that this decision had been made by God and that it was now up to him to make peace with God and if God wished it so, his pending death would be averted. My Father told me that he was not sure how he was to talk to God and I told him that I would be happy to teach him.
For the next few days, we talked a lot and we discussed what he needed to do and I told him to take his time and talk as he would to me. My Father soon died and I am happy to say that he was at peace at the time.
My Mother asked me to say a few words at his funeral and I did:
This man that lies here was the greatest teacher I have ever known. For all that I am it is due to his teaching. As a young Man, I watched in horror as he would beat my mother, throw away his paycheck, go in and out of jails, run women and it is suggested that he even molested one or more of my Sisters. I watched this and I learned well. His teaching has reached around the world and touched many people and I hope is still doing so.
I have been married for more than forty years now, and I have never hit my wife in anger, my paycheck is always used by my household and until lately, my wife would give me an allowance from it. I don’t run around and I have two daughters and five grand daughters whom I love dearly and who I know are proud to call me father. You see, by watching my father, I learned that his way was not the way and his deeds did not have to be my deeds. I knew that I could bring about a change to my family by learning from him those things that I should never do.
My only son and I are friends and he knows that even now in his thirties, all he has to do is call and I will try to move heaven and hell to get to him and help him.
It is not difficult to move from my life learning to apply them to Senator Obama’s lessons from his Church. If those that minister to you can only focus on the bad times, can only see the faults of a nation, then the nation may need change. I can understand that by lending your life to the community, you seek to bring about that change, and as you grow in your understanding of what you have accomplished in the local community; your view would naturally turn to the Nation. If you can make change that works locally then of course it will work nationally.
Through the teaching of my father, I touched the lives of many young men and women as they experienced difficulties in their marriage or relationships. Many nights were spent with my wife in a bed room with a husband and I in the living room with a wife as we tried to relate our experiences to them, and we would change up at half time and theca the other one. We have invited couples to share with us in our social life and see how we would submit to the desires of the other. What clubs we visited, what music we enjoyed, what shows we experienced. How these social activities could then be translated in a much better home life. By sharing you are also learning. We taught them to change their behavior towards each other thereby offering love a chance to survive. Of course sometime we failed and that also was a learning experience, for we learned that sometimes two people are just not meant to be with each other and when you recognize it, the best option is to leave.
So, if Rev. Wright’s view of this nation disturbed Senator Obama, his next move would naturally be to apply his talents to help to bring about change at the top to make this truly “One Nation under God.”


We need a candidate that will speak for all of the United States. Obama will not. Obama knows what it means to be a black man in the U.S. Does he know what racism is? He listened to that garbage for 20 years. He will not be able to lead. If Obama gets the nomination, he will not win the General Election. No way that I will vote for him. I liked him. He had promise. Now we find out that his spiritual adviser is a racist white hater. We now find out that Obama know Rezko raised 250,000 for his campaigns. He lied about it. How can he stand in front of a crowd and talk about change? He does not stand for any change except color.

Obama should drop out of the race and resign from the Senate.



Obama is responsible for who he associates with and supports.

For 20+ years, Obama and his family have sat clapping in this vile, racist, Anti-American clown's church.

Anyone who was a "uniter," as Obama claims he is, would have walked out of that church decades ago.

Anyone who wasn't racist, as Obama claims he isn't, would have walked out of that church decades ago.

Anyone with good judgment, as Obama claims he has, would have walked out of that church decades ago.

Anyone who loved America, as Obama purports, would have walked out of that church decades ago.

Anyone with good moral character, as Obama claims he has, would have walked out of that church decades ago.

Of course he knew about the hate monger Wright. He hung out with this hateful guy for nearly 25 years. Obama enjoyed Wright's rhetoric and agreed with him -- otherwise he would have left the church decades ago.

Obama is racist con man. Nothing more


Whoever the screener is for the Swamp, please stop posting jacksmith's lone comment. Its been the same one for the past few weeks, not only on this website but after pretty much every article concerning Clinton and Obama. Surely at this point it qualifies as spam?



Obama has the audacity to "hope" we are not very smart. Mr. Obama.....you, sir, are a liar and racist supporter of hate in America.


No more excuses...please.

For those that won't vote for Obama because he's black, fine. That's your right in this nation.

And a number of you are looking for some excuse, any excuse. Why?
Why bother?

He's inexperienced? So were some of our best Presidents, who've left the strongest legacies.

Some of our most experienced ones have been our biggest failures.

His preacher? His political contributor(s)? Some of your own fathers and mothers have spouted more hateful comments, yet been loving mothers and fathers, good providers, gone to church every Sunday etc...it's complicated and no-one is pure in every respect, we're all a result of our upbringing. You are what you become in spite of or sometimes because of your upbringing.

Will he work for or against us? Again, depends on who "us" is...

I'm white, and in my mid-fifties. I'm not someone who has ever, and I mean ever been excited about a Presidential candidate. I'm just old enough to remember the Kennedys, both Jack AND Robert, remember being awakened by my dad when JFK was shot, and remember tears rolling down his face...

I remember how the very air was energized by his speeches, too young to care about the issues but remember vividly when he spoke it seemed to matter, and people listened. respectfully.

I think it's time we gave someone who might just have the moral compass and heart to mean it when he tries to change the way business is done in Washington.

I'm not standing here thinking he's perfect, or he has me mesmerized by rhetoric etc...I just know Hillary and to a lesser degree John McCain are the same old thing as far as politics, and I think it's time for a real change.

Don't trot out the same old arguments...those alone make me want to vote for him...and experience is actually a bad word to me at this time, as the experienced politicians are the ones that have sold us out over and over in so many ways, and always at the end of the trail I see money or power was involved.

I'm voting for Obama because I really feel he is our best chance to face some of the most important issues, and he has the best chance to bring people of both parties, and competing interests together to achieve a common good. No Obama kool-aid, hypnotism or anything other than his vision for a more productive American political process.


We've had an explosive situation arise with Obama's "agenda" for America via his spiritual advisor, Jeremiah Wright, and, like it or not, it's not going away. The media and anyone else can say whatever they'd like to try to defend this "candidate," now, but Obama is going to have to get out of the race for the good of our country. We're all certain that evidence will be found contradicting Obama's lies about never hearing any of the incendiary sermons.

"STEP AWAY FROM THE RACE, OBAMA!!!"

As we now post, Obama is trying to throttle up his attacks against Hillary Clinton to deflect attention from his relationship with his pastor. Besides the blogs, let the media outlets know how you feel!


Shame on you Hilary for supporting Republican Party. All your dirty game is not helping democrats.

Obama is not running his campaign like you. Then why you? I think the democratic campaign is based on objective realities and not by subjective realities. Hilary is talking more about Obama rather than focusing on Economy, war, NAFTA, Health Care, Tuition, Early Education, gas, foreclosure etc.

Hilary enough is enough and don't attack Obama.

Obama is inspiring more and more new voters. He has no baggage like you.

YES WE CAN !!!


Why should Barack accept
#2 when Barack has won twice as many states?

Why should Barack who has been winning by bringing people together associate with someone
who stated in the debate that they would do anything to win?

It was the clinton machine
thats said mccain would be a better option than obama.

Say what you want about obama he is humble he is gracious and he gives praise to hillary that wasnt even due. Barack said hillary would be much better than Mccain and would make a fine president. HIllary only knows how to bring people together by ripping others apart. She doesnt know obamas language and the desire of the american people. That we thirst for the idea of setting aside our differences for the good of all the people that live in the usa not just a certain voting block. HRC downplaying obamas wins by saying those are small states and they shouldnt mater is ludacris. Obama just took most of john edwards delegates in a caucaus in iowa pickign up 9 more delagates. This is the amount of delgates hillary picked up in Texas and Ohio. Hillary needs to win 61% of the vote in the remaining states just to break even with barack and i doubt that will happen though i know the clintons pray for the worst for barack for there own selfish desires.

Most of the legislation that hrc passed was the naming of buildings.
I dont call that change!!
Obama has been trying to clean up poltics for years with the toughest ethics reform since watergate. Barack is a strong leader who seems to stay calm under crisis like the kitchen sink strategy being applied by the clintons. Some of the low ball tactics were to show pics of when he visited his fathers native homleand waring the garb of the tribal leaders to make people feel like they cant trust him. And the ferraro coment was just an ignaramous statement. im white and i know blacks have to be twice as good in what they do to get the same credit. Since when was black an advantage in politics? There have only been 3 black govs since reconstruction. BLacks represent 13 % of the population women represent 56% of the population now tell me who is suposed to have the real advantage? People arent dumb smart women know how divisive hillary is and they arent giving there vote to her just because she is a women.


So remember back, FINALLY Hillary wins a state, says the people of that (one) state have spoken and said SHE (?) should surely #1 on the ticket?
I told my kids Hillary fights dirty, now they realize what I meant.
How twisted can somebody's thinking be? It is laughable and entertaining if she wasn't so pathetic. Thanks Senator Obama for being a gentleman, at least we have your moral compass to be a lighthouse in the storm and respect.


I'm a white female over 50 and I'm supporting Obama. I do not look forward to becoming a more divisive country if Clinton wins (which I don't believe she'll be able to beat McCain). Although there were good things happening in the 90s, the absolute hatred of the Clinton's by most of the republicans split our country apart. I don't want to go back to that.

If Clinton were to win the nomination legitimately (which I don't thinks that's possible now), I would vote for her. However, if she finds some way to steal this nomination, I'll vote for Nader. If she steals this nomination then he'll be right, there is no difference between democrats and republicans. If what we are going to end up with is a republican, then it should be a republican that will admit what he is.


You bo supporters sure have alot of hate comming from your sick little minds.
What a bunch of fools you are.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wake up and smell the coffee, folks. With Hillary Clinton, you are NOT going to get quality, affordable healthcare for everyone. Two of her biggest backers are the insurance cos and the pharmaceutical cos. You're going to get expensive, mandatory health insurance. Self-employed individuals will be forced to buy insurance that they can ill afford. That's her current solution to health care.

I miss the "old" 1990's Hillary, but I'm a woman for Obama in 08.

Susan

PS Don't worry about beating McCain. He doesn't have a brother who is the Governor of FL or any other state, so the Democrats will win the general election.

PPS Can you really stand another 4 years of Bill Clinton and White House interns????


To Patrick Garrison and some others who innocently misremember history. Bill Clinton was NOT "almost impeached".

He WAS IMPEACHED !

The impeachment of a President is one of the most significant facts in American history, so for the life of me I CAN'T understand how some people either SWEAR it never happened who who honestly don't remember it or misremember it.

Clinton WAS IMPEACHED on December 19, 1998.

And if Billary is nominated, you can be sure that the Republicans will continually remind the public of that fact.


Sen. Obama speaks of change. Specifically, what change? Are we to assume all change is for America's betterment? Similarly, "Yes We Can" is inspirational but my question is "Yes We Can" what? And what credibility does Obama have when a spokesman from his campaign was sent to address a Canadian representative regarding NAFTA and was told that Obama is a "Free Trader" and things will be business as usual after the election. Is this change? Not in my opinion. Is this "Yes We Can" ideology that Obama inspires us with? Who can align with a Candidate for President of the United States of America with these traits?


We've had an explosive situation arise with Obama's "agenda" for America via his spiritual advisor, Jeremiah Wright, and, like it or not, it's not going away. The media and anyone else can say whatever they'd like to try to defend this "candidate," now, but Obama is going to have to get out of the race for the good of our country. We're all certain that evidence will be found contradicting Obama's lies about never hearing any of the incendiary sermons.

"STEP AWAY FROM THE RACE, OBAMA!!!"

As we now post, Obama is trying to throttle up his attacks against Hillary Clinton to deflect attention from his relationship with his pastor. Besides the blogs, let the media outlets know how you feel!


Every Sunday, across our country, church members show up on Sunday and listen to a sermon. They take with them some of what they hear and discard what they may not agree with... then continue on with their daily life. Do you really believe that all 19,000 active members of John Hagee's Cornerstone Church, don't allow their children to read Harry Potter, or are all ready to support a war with Iran, or agree with him that "Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans..."?

The uniters of the world are those people, like Barack Obama, who have a broad base of life experiences to draw upon.

"It is the duty of men to judge men only by their actions. Our faculties furnish us with no means of arriving at the motive, the character, the secret self. We call the tree good from its fruits, and the man, from his works. " - Ralph Waldo Emerson


Obama has already sunk the Democrats! And when you add the Anti-American slurs by his mentor in the mix, its over for Obama. Mark your calenders.


The vetting begins for Obama - his MEDIA FREE PASS is over !! By the time REZKO, political donations / land & house deal, Obama past non-voting record (present) and now the Rev Write being his mentor - he will be lucky to asked to be Clintons VP and attending the Methodist church when the IRS makes an example of Trinity and strips them of their TAX EXEMPT STATUS. I can see it now......the old Church building re-named TRINITY BAR & GRILL, Rev. White can be the warm-up speaker for George Carlin.... :}


So let me get this straight. Obama wants us to believe that after a close, 25-year relationship with Jeremiah Wright and tens of thousands of dollars in donations that he only this week discovered through the media that Wright was a hateful, racist, anti-American radical?

Obama has the audicity to hope that Americans are very, very dumb. He's wrong. Goodbye sweet prince.


Thanks to DPC from Patchogue, for clarifying Bill Clinton's history - I used the term "almost impeached" in the sense that the Senate later acquitted him, allowing him to finish out his term. In hindsight he should have done what Gov. Spitzer and Richard Nixon did, resign. That way Al Gore would have finished the term and we might have avoided the Bush Administrations altogether. But I think we both agree in thinking Bill to be the albatross around Hillary's neck.


Rezko alone will sink Obama in the general election. He's a liar and a fraud and it's politics as usual and to think he had so many people fooled. It's time to open your eyes people. Vote for HRC.


No one is perfect. Not any candidate that any of you support. Not any political party that you belong to. Not any religion that you may belong to. If you don't like someone, make sure it's for the right reason. Lift your choice up, don't bring the other one down. And by the way, fear is not a rational choice. I'm reposting these comments from Mvpsdad because they are positive:

***"Every Sunday, across our country, church members show up on Sunday and listen to a sermon. They take with them some of what they hear and discard what they may not agree with... then continue on with their daily life. Do you really believe that all 19,000 active members of John Hagee's Cornerstone Church, don't allow their children to read Harry Potter, or are all ready to support a war with Iran, or agree with him that "Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans..."?

The uniters of the world are those people, like Barack Obama, who have a broad base of life experiences to draw upon.

"It is the duty of men to judge men only by their actions. Our faculties furnish us with no means of arriving at the motive, the character, the secret self. We call the tree good from its fruits, and the man, from his works. " - Ralph Waldo Emerson"***

Posted by: Mvpsdad | March 16, 2008 10:19 PM


Sen. Hillary Clinton is much more accomplished and more qualified to lead on day one. My vote goes to Sen. Hillary Clinton and so too should the Super Delegate Votes.

Posted by: Randy Roe | March 16, 2008 3:19 PM

How is Hillary more qualified? Being a govener's and the wife of a president does not make her quailified.

She is only in her 2nd term as a senator, she keys in on Obama only being in his first term as a senator.


Hang in there, Obama supporters. He's being vetted. I would have supported Hillary, but realized she does represent the "past" and I can't help but think the Repubs have a bunch more vetting to do on Hillary and Bill (Bill especially). Rumor has it the Republicans have lots and lots of "stuff" on Bill and his extramarital affairs SINCE he left the Whitehouse. Oh Boy....just what I want to hear all over again. Move on....begin to address the issues, like the ecomony...STUPID!!


Hillary's desperate lies abound. She blabbers on and on, she doesn't care if it is true or not-Obama has the Grace to forgive and not stab her back in the back and keep stirring up her cauldron, thus she gets the focus she wants on the negative and he continues on campaigning and reaching the people without validating all her CHAOS-
there is a psychiatric illness that thrives on chaos, HRC seems to love chaos. I go to a church that looks down on gays but the rest of the message is good. So why leave a white church in an hour when you can stay in a black church and sing and Praise God for a few more hours?? I don't I stay in my black church and I am a white girl.Praise God.


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