by John McCormick
Barack Obama's campaign manager said today that Hillary Clinton's campaign is not viewing the electoral map as expansively as it should and that could hurt her chances in a general election.
On a conference call with reporters, David Plouffe seized upon a comment in today's New York Times by senior Clinton adviser Harold Ickes, who said some of the states Obama has won in the primary are not winnable for a Democrat in a general election.
“Most of those states haven’t voted Democratic in a presidential since the Johnson landslide over Goldwater in 1964, and we don’t see that changing,” Ickes was quoted as saying. “They’re great states, but Idaho, Nebraska and the Carolinas are not going to be in the Democratic column in November. He’s winning the Democratic process, but that is virtually irrelevant to the general election.”
Plouffe called the statement the equivalent of waving a "white flag" and said Obama has proven his ability to win in some red states. "Barack Obama will compete vigorously in the state of North Carolina," he said.
Following Obama's easy win Tuesday in Mississippi, Plouffe continued to play down expectations for the next contest, the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. "Our campaign will not be defined by Pennsylvania," he said.
With contests in eight states and two U.S. territories between now and early June, Plouffe said the campaign is putting staff in all of the remaining states. "We view this as a whole body of states," he said.
Plouffe also tried to knock some air out of the buzz in recent days about possible mail-in primaries in Michigan and Florida to redo primaries held early this year in violation of party rules.
He said there are "real questions" about the logistics of mail-in voting and suggested such efforts are part of a "Clinton production" to try to gain some ground against Obama in a way that is "desperate" and "self-serving."
"We hope this gets resolved quickly, so there is some certainty," Plouffe said, later adding that the "easiest" solution would be to seat delegates from the states in a 50-50 way that does not affect the delegate count.
Plouffe also disputed suggestions Obama is losing ground with white voters, as he has gained among African Americans.
"We have shown the ability to attract voters across all ethnic lines," he said, noting that Obama has "carried the white vote in lots of states."





Comments
Seems every day the Clinton Campaign has another "shrill" commentary to put out. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
I'll take a candidate with hope and vision for change over a candidate that's devisive and misleading or a candidate that promises more of the same!
Posted by: kg123 | March 12, 2008 11:29 AM
What is "slice and dice" politics? It is race-based voting by blacks. 90% supporting Barack Hussein Obama????!!!! What is this? There is nothing on this earth that 90% blacks would agree on. Get real!
Posted by: Frank | March 12, 2008 12:02 PM
"He said there are "real questions" about the logistics of mail-in voting and suggested such efforts are part of a "Clinton production" to try to gain some ground against Obama in a way that is "desperate" and "self-serving."
"We hope this gets resolved quickly, so there is some certainty," Plouffe said, later adding that the "easiest" solution would be to seat delegates from the states in a 50-50 way that does not affect the delegate count."
50-50 is by far the best way to settle this. To throw a bunch of money, time and logistics, let alone the possible corruption just to satisfy the Clintons power grab is ridiculous.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | March 12, 2008 12:08 PM
The saddest part about both Clintons is their failure to recognize, and steadfast rejection, of the notion that they are no longer in control (of the Democratic Party). The people have finally realized that the Founding Father's wanted our governing officials to be guided by the will of the people, not, the other way around.
Posted by: M Weifers | March 12, 2008 12:13 PM
The point no one seems to make is that the large states Senator Clinton has won would probably go Democratic whomever is the candidate: California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts. Obama will win them and drag some red states to the blue column.
Posted by: Mike Noonan | March 12, 2008 12:17 PM
Go Barack !
Posted by: PulSamsara | March 12, 2008 12:20 PM
I'm hardly surprised yet still disapointed that Hillary would allow those around her (Bill in SC , and now Geraldine) to engage in race-baiting her way to the White House. Typical Clintonese if you ask me. Where in the outrage among Democrats?
Posted by: Freedom Lover | March 12, 2008 12:21 PM
How long will the clinton camp continue to denigrate the democrat election process, by using tactics, attacks and accusations against their opponent. Why this racist comment by Geraldine Ferraro?
Is it all part of the game, to win the nomination?
I don't think Hillary will make a good leader at all
Posted by: Rev Berole | March 12, 2008 12:23 PM
Ickes is overly cynical and willfully ignores the "movement" aspect to Senator Obama's campaign---that (thus far, at least) he has so thoroughly energized the electorate that he has brought huge amounts of otherwise apolitical Americans back into the political process. That puts many so-called red states back into play for the Dems. Ickes knows that, so clearly he's telling a lie in this case.
Posted by: Tim1979 | March 12, 2008 12:26 PM
All this for another 2nd place finish,come on now.
Posted by: Isabelle | March 12, 2008 12:26 PM
What Plouffe says is backed up by the SurveyUSA nationwide head to head polls which show Obama beating McCain in VA, NV, NH, CO and even part of NE, while winning more blue (Gore 2000) states than Clinton would against McCain.
Posted by: ScottNStone | March 12, 2008 12:26 PM
I wish I could say this is as sad as it can get, but Hillary Clinton, in her blind ambition to win, and without regard or respect for any sense of fairness, consistency, or honor, and in spite of any real and lasting damage she is inflicting on the Democratic party has condoned some major damage to our Country itself. And now the senseless, hurtful, damaging and polarizing turn in her campaign toward our fellow Americans whose skin color is dark, playing on the deep seated fears of those who do or don't know any better, this will be a turning point that America will have to make a choice: do we condone this conduct by Clinton and her campaign and continue to vote for her, or do we stop rewarding this behavior by not voting for her? If she is rewarded for this, we will surely see more of it, and I, for one, can't stomach much more of this type of hateful devicive politics, she is starting to make George Bush look good, this is a very sad day for our country, I hope the message comes thru that most of this great country of America does not think this way, God help us all.
Posted by: teaparty51 | March 12, 2008 12:29 PM
Hey Frank,
Recover your ability to be ashamed, maybe like Spitzer and Bill Clinton. Apologize for the insertion of Obama's middle name which you used as part of the Clinton "kitchen sink"attack. You're probably an okay guy, just a bit too enamored of 60 year old, former Goldwater Girl, Hilary.
Posted by: Lee Nichols | March 12, 2008 12:35 PM
It is without question that if the Obama camp does not allow a Michigan and Florida revote, I will be voting for McCain. As hard as they want to be on Hillary, they are the ones being self-serving, as who knows what a revote result would produce. This is the saddest, most undemocratic effort I have ever seen. Based on Obama's campaign and message, there is no question that if this was revered, he would plead a similar case. I am so angered by his political maneuvering and his fear of the outcome in these two states because it may benefit hit competitor. If he wins the nomination, I surely hope he loses both of these states in the general election.
Posted by: Sam | March 12, 2008 12:36 PM
It is not the quantity of the number of states, it is the relevance of a state in the general election. The same applies to the voters. Even though the majority (80-90%) of the Blacks make this a race issue by voting for Obama, this block of voters alone cannot win the general election. So far, Obama has not been able to close the deals with the rest of the country's voters. He is just a regional candidate.
Posted by: vote4thebest, Morgan Hill/USA | March 12, 2008 12:42 PM
Obama supporters seem to just assume he will carry all Blue states and pick up some of the Red states where he carried primaries. That doesn't seem to be a logical assumption. Given that you are going to have a moderate (relatively speaking) Repub on the ballot in November and a very divided Democratic base, it seems more likely that Obama will lose some of the Blue states then that he will win some of the Red states.
The Repubs who don't like McCain are, by and large, the right wing of the party, who are never going to vote for a candidate from the far left. However, Clinton has both far left and moderate supporters, so those moderates who dislike Obama may feel comfortable going over to McCain.
The only scenario I can see that enables Obama to carry red states is complete apathy by conservative Repubs and Obama really getting loads of "new" voters to the polls in those states. I would expect McCain to portray Obama (well or Clinton) as the conservative right's worse nightmare to ensure they get out to vote essentially against Obama more then for McCain.
Posted by: Jacob | March 12, 2008 12:43 PM
It sure looks like all the exuses are mounting up for the inevitable November loss already.
"Hillary is the new Nader" is so close,you can almost hear them .
Posted by: not again | March 12, 2008 12:46 PM
Don't you Obama supporters see the problem with his campaign not supporting revotes in Michigan and Florida? Obama in effect is trying to disenfranchise millions of voters who will remember that "slap in the face" in the general election if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Michigan and Florida are swing states and these people want their votes to count in the primaries... not a piddly solution like seating delegates 50-50 (which is blatantly unfair to Clinton). Obama is just afraid that Clinton will surge ahead on the popular vote to thus strengthen her case as nominee.
And what is this "fear-mongering" that the mail-in ballots would not be "secure?" This sounds like a GOP tactic... "from the GOP playbook" as Obama often says in accusing Clinton of negative campaign strategies.
Posted by: Nickberry | March 12, 2008 12:48 PM
How long will the clinton camp continue to denigrate the democrat election process, by using tactics, attacks and accusations against their opponent. Why this racist comment by Geraldine Ferraro?
Is it all part of the game, to win the nomination?
I don't think Hillary will make a good leader at all
Posted by: Rev Berole | March 12, 2008 12:54 PM
Obama's kidding himself if he thinks he'll be winning Mississippi, either of the Carolinas, Georgia, Wyoming, Idaho or Montanta in the Fall.
Good analysis by the LA Times today, labor groups honestly fear that the "Reagan Democrats" who belong to unions are voting for Hillary and simply will not turn out for Obama in November.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-dems12mar12,1,3048049.story
Posted by: Jeff | March 12, 2008 12:55 PM
Obama is unelectable.
Obama is unqualified to be President.
In Mississippi last night Obama won only 21% of the white vote and 91% of the black vote. Telling numbers.
In Ohio, where Obama outspent Hillary 3 to 1 he won ONLY 5 out of 88 counties in Ohio. Those 5 counties are where the large black voting population turned out for Obama by 86% in Ohio. The black vote is the ONLY voting group that Obama won.
Those are not "racist" statements, they are just the facts.
If you can't win the big, must win states like Ohio in November, you cannot win the Presidency. It's that simple.
Hillary is the strongest, most electable candidate in the race.
Hillary has proven she can win big in the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November. That's what matters.
GAME OVER. Hillary won.
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008 1:06 PM
Revote in Florida...what a laugh. Does anyone recall that they can't count general election votes? I can't imagine what a free-for-all the "postcard vote" would be.
Hillary is just bitter that she stood by Bill all these years in this sham marriage turned business arrangement, and now she's not getting "her turn". All these attempts are desperate, at best.
Go Obama!
Posted by: Diana | March 12, 2008 1:10 PM
The Florida/Michigan thing is much ado about nothing. An analysis of the pledged delegates shows that the best Clinton will do is close the gap between her and Obama, but even with double digit victories in Florida (probable) and Michigan (unlikely) she won't overtake his delegate lead. So why a re-vote? So the Clinton camp can make a better argument to the super-delegates and in the process probably damage the party as a whole and the chances of either winning in November. If the majority of super-delegates are going to go with the candidate who has the most pledged delegates, and we can clearly see who that's going to be, why go through a re-vote charade?
Posted by: John | March 12, 2008 1:17 PM
If Republicans had said only a fraction of the things some of Hillary's "supporters" have said, the liberals and the media would be screaming. Ferraro says things like what she said yesterday, and the only ones who find those comments offensive are Obama and his supporters. Where is the outrage by the Liberals, by the media?
Posted by: George in Chicago | March 12, 2008 1:20 PM
Clinton :“They’re great states, but Idaho, Nebraska and the Carolinas are not going to be in the Democratic column in November. He’s winning the Democratic process, but that is virtually irrelevant to the general election.”
What? How can this "write off" of 4 states be from the same Clinton's who are whinning about Florida & Michigan? Talk about a double standard! You just can't get more manipulative than Hillary. Don't buy the bridges the Clinton's are trying to sell.
ABC (Anybody But Clinton[s])
Posted by: Reality | March 12, 2008 1:24 PM
Not only is Clinton's map too small, but her wins have not been nearly as big. I just put together a list of Obama's wins ... the vast majority of his are by a margin greater than 20 percent -- only two of hers are:
62 ID
52 HI
51 DC
49 AK
48 KS
36 WA
35 NE
35 GA
34 MN
34 CO
32 IL
29 SC
28 VA
25 ND
24 WY
24 MS
23 MD
22 LA
21 VT
20 ME
18 WI
17 UT
14 AL
12 TX (caucus)
11 DE
8 IA
4 CT
1 MO
-1 NM
-3 NH
-4 TX (primary)
-6 NV
-8 AZ
-9 CA
-10 NJ
-10 OH
-13 TN
-15 MA
-17 NY
-18 RI
-24 OK
-43 AR
Posted by: Andy in Brooklyn | March 12, 2008 1:30 PM
Why are we not talking about Clinton's problem with black voters? The assumption that winning the white vote is all that matters is laughable, especially since Obama has won the white vote in numerous states while Clinton has completely alienated a large part of the Democratic base (African-American voters). Obama will satisfy these racially "uncomfortable" Democrats with his VP selection while Clinton will not be able to win back all the people she has alienated during her campaign. You reap what you sow.
Posted by: Jeremy | March 12, 2008 1:38 PM
Sam,
Grow up and accept the rules you HRC idiots agreed to from the start. Now that you're getting your butts kicked all over the U.S., you're crying like babies, trying to change the rules to your favor.
You guys thought it was going to be a cakewalk, didn't you?
You're getting rolled over by a movement with no end in sight.
Good luck, crybabies!
Posted by: joseph pierre | March 12, 2008 1:54 PM
I honestly find it Sad the barrage of whines that come from Hilary and her campaign team each and every day, she was never much for policy, but now all she wants to do is trade insults, while Barack Obama remains Dignified, one is truly suitable for the Office of President of the USA and it is definitely not Hilary!
Hilary tried to handpick where she felt she would benefit and it is starting now to come back on her, never did she feel she would be so well behind and find it not possible to close the gap, so now she wants rules she agreed to be changed and also makes legal threats if they are not! - what a sad position she is in and she is not willing to do what is right and expected of her to Stand Down for the Good of The Democrat Party and save some respect.
Posted by: John B Sheffield | March 12, 2008 2:38 PM
Like Clinton said, "Let's get real about this election!" The media has created a circus around this process when in reality, anybody with a any common sense clearly knows that Obama will be representing the Democrats in November. What a cheap marketing scheme! Superdelegates need to get together, back Obama, and end this election.
Posted by: 3.AM dude | March 12, 2008 3:04 PM
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS HAVING SERIOUS NEGATIVE EFFECTS on our economy and that those who voted for the war (hillary) should be to blame, in part, for the state of the US economy.
Look how the WAR IN IRAQ is affecting the U.S.economy...
$3,000,000,000…$3 billion PER WEEK! That is the amount America is paying for the Iraq War, money that should have been used here, at home.
Add to this:
Interest. We are financing the war with borrowed money (e.g. treasuries) so in actuality, we're the war is costing the United States MORE than $ 3 billion PER WEEK.
Higher oil and energy prices. Instability in Iraq is adding roughly 30 dollars per barrel as a premium.
High oil prices mean high utility bills. Due to high oil prices, demand shifts to other sources of energy - nat gas, coal, etc. - and greater demand will raise the equilibrium price of all sources of energy -- Can you say high energy bills?
Higher oil prices (a raw material used in the production of many goods, fertilizers, gasoline, diesel, plastics, etc.) mean higher prices of goods and services -- Can you say INFLATION?
Higher oil prices mean a higher trade deficit because most of our oil comes from foreign sources. A higher trade deficit means more money is leaving the country than is coming into the country -- Can you say 'Goodbye money!'
Our dollar is weak and getting weaker. Since we have a trade deficit and the trade deficit is growing, the value of goods and services we import exceeds the value of goods we export. You know that foreign car you're thinking of buying or the computer you're using, or that trip abroad you've been thinking of taking....well, guess what? It is going to cost more, Ceteris Peribus, because the dollar is weak, weak, weak.
Lastly, how do you think the world views our country because of this war? The evidence was weak and circumstantial, yet we rushed into war with Iraq thanks to Hillary’s authorization.
Posted by: Mary Berningham | March 12, 2008 3:36 PM
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS HAVING SERIOUS NEGATIVE EFFECTS on our economy and that those who voted for the war (hillary) should be to blame, in part, for the state of the US economy.
Look how the WAR IN IRAQ is affecting the U.S.economy...
$3,000,000,000…$3 billion PER WEEK! That is the amount America is paying for the Iraq War, money that should have been used here, at home.
Add to this:
Interest. We are financing the war with borrowed money (e.g. treasuries) so in actuality, we're the war is costing the United States MORE than $ 3 billion PER WEEK.
Higher oil and energy prices. Instability in Iraq is adding roughly 30 dollars per barrel as a premium.
High oil prices mean high utility bills. Due to high oil prices, demand shifts to other sources of energy - nat gas, coal, etc. - and greater demand will raise the equilibrium price of all sources of energy -- Can you say high energy bills?
Higher oil prices (a raw material used in the production of many goods, fertilizers, gasoline, diesel, plastics, etc.) mean higher prices of goods and services -- Can you say INFLATION?
Higher oil prices mean a higher trade deficit because most of our oil comes from foreign sources. A higher trade deficit means more money is leaving the country than is coming into the country -- Can you say 'Goodbye money!'
Our dollar is weak, weak, weak. Since we have a trade deficit, the value of goods and services we import exceeds the value of goods we export. You know that foreign car you're thinking of buying or the computer you're using, or that trip abroad you've been thinking of taking....well, guess what? It is going to cost more, Ceteris Peribus, because the dollar is weak, weak, weak.
Lastly, how do you think the world views our country because of this war? The evidence was weak and circumstantial, yet we rushed into war with Iraq thanks to Hillary’s authorization.
Posted by: Mary Berningham | March 12, 2008 3:43 PM
I'm sure they would like a 50/50 split, but considering that Hillary won Florida in a landslide and contrary to what some of the idiotic Obama fans have said, his name was on the ballot, and people could have voted for him if they wanted, wouldn't that be just a little unfair?
Posted by: Brian | March 12, 2008 4:46 PM
To Frank, every 4 years Blacks give 90% of their vote to whatever "Joe White Guy" the democratic party gives them. You get real!
Posted by: Alan | March 12, 2008 10:57 PM
The point no one seems to make is that the large states Senator Clinton has won would probably go Democratic whomever is the candidate: California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts. Obama will win them and drag some red states to the blue column.
Posted by: Anonymous | March 13, 2008 2:49 AM
Billary, is not winning the blue states with any notable margins, where is the beef?
Posted by: Ibrahim | March 13, 2008 3:35 AM
would someone please remind everyone of the pledge by clinton to abide by the rules?! written down and submitted to the DNC... and now, since they are losing, we need to think about the voters in those states?
as a few have said in the comments, completely self serving. i see it as shameless and hypocritical.
i don't want a president that sees the rules as theirs to bend and break for their own benefit. we got enough of that with bush.
Posted by: jim | March 13, 2008 7:42 AM