Iraqi suicide-bombing; Bush on the war-road again

This should only invigorate Americans to remember why we are in Iraq in the first place... there ARE self-sacrificing terrorists there! hello? And no, we didn't put them there, we drew them there. We have to finish the fight in order to stamp out this threat to our nation and the rest of the world.
God bless the troops affected by this horrific act and their families.

This should only invigorate Americans to remember why we are in Iraq in the first place... there ARE self-sacrificing terrorists there! hello? And no, we didn't put them there, we drew them there. We have to finish the fight in order to stamp out this threat to our nation and the rest of the world.
God bless the troops affected by this horrific act and their families.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 2:30 PM

Yeah, and the so-called "terrorists" are only there (Iraq) because your dimwit Republican President pre-emptivly, with trumped up charges, invaded their country.

When George Bush stood by John McCain's side and endorsed him by saying that "John understands that we need to continue doing the things that we've been doing" I immeadiatly saw a great campaign commercial for the Dems this fall. I hope someone saved that footage

John McCain thinks being Commander in Chief is the same as being Chess Master. He wants to control all of our armies like a game and bring havoc to the world.

If you are one who disagrees: have you ever heard McCain make any statements towards peace? No. Never. Because his solution to all of our country's problems involves war.
McCain = third term of Bush/Cheney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B76E5LTjPt0

Steve S-

So our strategy is to scrifice the people of Iraq, by drawing terrorists there, in order to save ourselves?

How terribly noble of us.

How much less is an Iraqi life worth than an American life?

Luke? Would you rather we take the fight to them, or let them bring it to us. Wake up!!! I say keep it over there. I would like to refocus our efforts on Afghanistan again, but I'm afraid we are a little busy in iraq at the moment and to leave would open up a world class human rights travesty. We have to stay whether we like it or not.

And no, we didn't put them there, we drew them there.
Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 2:30 PM

Geez..how can you argue with that logic.

I agree with Luke and also await Steve Ss answer. Too bad I'll have to wait forever for the coward to respond.

The next president of the United States must understand that might doesn't always make right. It was wrong fo us to invade Iraq (pre-emptively) especially under false pretense.

Senator McCain seems to be nothing more than a George Bush clone, and a vote for him, the same as giving our president a third term.

In all honesty, can America really afford more of the same? Think about it.

I think Jethro Tull is a bit confused... and if I don't respond promptly, its probably because I actually work for a living and dont always have time for this useless lil hobby.

12+ Billion tax dollars per month @ 100 more years for NATION BUILDING.

CONSERVATIVE MY ASS!

Whose "them" Steve?

Are the Iraqi people "them"? Why should we force the Iraqi people to pay the price for our security? What right to we have to decide to make Iraq our battlefield with terrorists from someplace else ("we drew them there" remember?) Are their lives so worthless that we can toss them away for our benefit without a second thought?

Again, how much less is an Iraqi life worth than an American life Steve? How many bodies of Iraqi women and children are you willing to hide behind?

but I'm afraid we are a little busy in iraq at the moment and to leave would open up a world class human rights travesty. We have to stay whether we like it or not.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 3:03 PM

Steve Chickenhawk Republican,

So when are you planning on signing up to serve in this great holy war to end all holy wars of yours?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zodak/1387520438/

The more this conflict goes on the more I really don't understand why we are involved with what is basically a turf war between the Iraqi equivalent of street gangs involved in a political squabble. I see no end in sight and while I am proud of the job our troops are doing, I question where all this is really going. I've heard so little about what if any political solutions are going on to move this whole thing forward, that I'm inclined to think there is no progress going on. I'd be interested to hear any insights readers may have on this topic.

Billy Hussein (nickname worthy of a traitor btw)... my logic is rather sound if you look at Islamic terrorism as a threat. We did not create the terrorists that now wish to take over Iraq, we drew the existing terrorists from surrounding countries and from within. They hate us and want to kill Americans and our friends, so if they want to fight, we're right there to fight. they just have to slink out from their shadows and they'll get their shot at the USMC.
I think I made clear in an earlier statement that I don't necessarily believe we should be in Iraq, but I believe since we are there, we'll need to finish what we started in order to remain safe and responsible to the innocent Iraqi and regional lives in the balance.

Steve S,

If you truly think that somehow we are magically keeping the terrorists in Iraq because we are attracting them there, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Think about that statement a bit. You're a terrorist and you want to get the biggest bang for your buck (pun intended). So what are you going to do? Blow yourself up in Iraq near some US soldiers, or go somewhere else in the world and cause a LOT more havoc.

There are a huge number of "American" targets out there that aren't in the US. American corporations, American operations (military and civilian), etc.

Please you are deluding yourself.

I don't endorse killing of Iraqi civilians, but that is the travesty casualty of war. We don't "hide behind them". Don't forget... your country is not the bad guy. The ones literally hiding behind and among the women and children of Iraq are your friends - the noble insurgents. We are there to defend the people or Iraq from them and are doing a fine job.

Steve S...If we drew them there...why didn't we invade England...it would have been closer, cheaper.

Again, how much less is an Iraqi life worth than an American life Steve? How many bodies of Iraqi women and children are you willing to hide behind?

Posted by: Luke | March 10, 2008 3:38 PM

Apparently Iraqis are worth so little to him he will waste our time and his time with what he thinks is a clever play on my name and not even address the question at hand. Not surprised this filth would choose to behave this way.

I think Jethro Tull is a bit confused... and if I don't respond promptly, its probably because I actually work for a living and dont always have time for this useless lil hobby.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 3:30 PM

I forget, why aren't you serving in Iraq again?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zodak/1387520438/

Oh that's right, the Repubs only like to talk tough and START wars but they'd rather have someone else do the actual fighting...my bad.

Stevie-

Quit dodging the question: how much less is an Iraqi life worth than an American life?

Your "logic" only works if an Iraqi life is worth less than an American life. The only reason it could be better to fight "them" (non-iraqis we drew to Iraq) there (Iraq) rather than here is if the Iraqi lives lost lives are less valuable than our lives.

please dogjudge... don't patronize. Of course they are all over the world. Nobody is claiming that. Maybe you should lead the call to go through each muslim home and mosque to find them!

John E. Cute sign. I'm not eligible to serve, you dumb F. Grow up.

Steve S,
How many more Iraqis would you like to sacrifice so that you can watch the highlights on your flat-panel TV and feel safe

"...Think about that statement a bit. You're a terrorist and you want to get the biggest bang for your buck (pun intended). So what are you going to do? Blow yourself up in Iraq near some US soldiers, or go somewhere else in the world and cause a LOT more havoc..."

Posted by: dogjudge | March 10, 2008 3:43 PM

You are right on point with your question so I went to the source to help you with your answer-

"The Most Important And Serious Issue Today For The Whole World Is This Third World War … Raging In [Iraq]." - Bin Laden

"This Is A War Of Destiny Between Infidelity And Islam." - Bin Laden

"The Whole World Is Watching This War And The Two Adversaries; The Islamic Nation, On The One Hand, And The United States And Its Allies On The Other. It Is Either Victory And Glory Or Misery And Humiliation." -Bin Laden

I bet Steve would never say:

"I don't endorse killing of American civilians, but that is the travesty casualty of war."

Heartburn:

Did Bin Laden say that BEFORE or AFTER our idiot President said that he would get him dead or alive???

John E. Cute sign. I'm not eligible to serve, you dumb F. Grow up.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 4:11 PM

How about your kids, grandkids etc?

What's wrong, Stevie?

Let me guess, you've got one of those "back problems" that always seems to keep you tough talking Wingnuts from ever backing up your words, right?

I'm guessing that little Stevie is in the audience with our other favorite college Republican (Jeff) on this video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFGit_tZDqs

Heartburn:

Did Bin Laden say that BEFORE or AFTER our idiot President said that he would get him dead or alive???

Posted by: BobinATL | March 10, 2008 4:36 PM

what an odd question- almost sounds like you are defending the guy responsible for 9/11? Could just be me though..

thank you heartburn... about time we get another voice that actually stands up for the US around here.

jo??? howd you'd know i have a flat panel? are you spying on me???

Jethro Tull... nothing personal on the name, it just rolled off the fingers. Still can't figure out what you've brought to the conversation.
Luke- If we actually had a normal war take place on our soil, American lives would be lost, and that just as sad as Iraqi lives being lost. I can't figure out what exactly you are trying to get me to say. Do I think Iraqi's are less important than American lives? No, but we aren't there to take Iraqi lives. Like I said, we are there to defend them and that we are doing well. Its only logical that we pursue an enemy on their turf rather than embrace them to our land. Now quit accusing me
skirting your dumb questions.

And John E. I've already responded to your petty cry for my serving in the military. You don't have to serve to support the country and troops. Any rational soldier would even say so. Now get off my back.

Bobin... what difference does it make. We have a war on our hands with someone that would behead your mother at the drop of a hat. i would prefer him dead... because I happen to like your mother.

"The Most Important And Serious Issue Today For The Whole World Is This Third World War … Raging In [Iraq]." - Bin Laden
"This Is A War Of Destiny Between Infidelity And Islam." - Bin Laden
"The Whole World Is Watching This War And The Two Adversaries; The Islamic Nation, On The One Hand, And The United States And Its Allies On The Other. It Is Either Victory And Glory Or Misery And Humiliation." -Bin Laden

Posted by: heartburn | March 10, 2008 4:21 PM

Yes and Bin Laden has gotten more than he ever could have dreamed of.

We are in Iraq fighting a holy war the he (Bin-Laden) wanted and we are going broke as country, spending billions on this travesty, just like he (Bin-Laden) wanted.

Speaking of Bin-Laden, where is he anyway?...oh yeah that's right, PAKISTAN!!!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushbinforgotten.htm

"Like I said, we are there to defend them and that we are doing well. Its only logical that we pursue an enemy on their turf rather than embrace them to our land. Now quit accusing me
skirting your dumb questions."

Nope, that's NOT what you said. You said we were there to draw terrorists to Iraq. You made it very clear Iraq was NOT the terrorists turf (otherwise we would not have to draw them there). That's a pretty weird way to defend the Iraqis, intentionally bringing a murderous enemy to their country.

That's like having the cops bring a street gang to your house for a gunfight because the light is better there. I doubt you'd appreciate the cops "defending" you against the criminals in that manner.

And John E. I've already responded to your petty cry for my serving in the military. You don't have to serve to support the country and troops. Any rational soldier would even say so. Now get off my back.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 04:44 PM

I do support the troops little Stevie and they need all the help they can get right now, now days they'll even take punks like you...

Stevie, don't worry, we'll cheerlead for you while you're fighting them over there so you don't have to fight them here.

Give me your pom poms Steve and I'll start cheering for you just as soon as you go down to the military recruiters office and sign on the dotted line!

Billy Hussein (nickname worthy of a traitor btw)...
Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 3:41 PM

Well stevie S...I use the name Hussein in protest of the idiots (maybe like you)who wish to make an issue out of a muslim sounding name which is total BS. As far as the traitor part...maybe you wish you could have been with me on my fire base in Nam. You too could have watched as your brothers in arms were blown to bits right in front of your eyes. Do you know what a fire base is? It is beyond the enemy line to direct artillery. Sound like fun to you. Sometimes war is a little different than that big screen TV. You claim we should finish what we started in Iraq...what of Afghanistan? McBush is nothing more than Bush, and his thinking is the reason we are stuck in this fiasco.....so you think McBush is better? McBush has said that Iraq was a good idea....enough said.

Yes and Bin Laden has gotten more than he ever could have dreamed of.

We are in Iraq fighting a holy war the he (Bin-Laden) wanted and we are going broke as country, spending billions on this travesty, just like he (Bin-Laden) wanted.

Speaking of Bin-Laden, where is he anyway?...oh yeah that's right, PAKISTAN!!!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushbinforgotten.htm

Posted by: cherry flavored antacid, it kills your heartbun | March 10, 2008 5:03 PM

Great- I think we agree- with some qualifications...
-When you say -
"Yes and Bin Laden has gotten more than he ever could have dreamed of."

What are you talking about?

and sounds like you agree that we are in a holy war.

In summary and so we are all on the same page- does your answers finally confirm that the war in Iraq is NOT about the following left wing dogma;

1.To Make Oil companies rich.
2.Haliburton Contracts
3.Bush Avenging the attempt on his fathers life?

Excellent point Luke but you used facts and logic. Steve S won't follow what your saying unless you rip off your shirt and expose an oiled up, totally ripped body and wrastle someone in your speedo underwear just prior. Also driving around a track in a car covered in stickers might help.

Heartburn:

Because YOUR President, George Bush, pulled our troops OUT of Afghanistan while they were chasing Bin Laden and instead went into Iraq. And now Bin Laden is still around to make videotapes. And are you telling me that this war has NOT been the biggest recruiting boon for Al Qaida???

Also, your hero, Karl Rove, said the war in Iraq was about oil. And can you deny the fact that Haliburton has gotten very nice profits from this war?? That makes 2 out of 3.

Steve: If you are so concerned about Bin Laden, why is he still alive??? Because Bush wanted to get rid of the guy who had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11.

You know bill r., it's so unfair to have a war of words against guys like Steve and Heartburn - I hate battling unarmed fools.

More cheap rhetoric from Bush and his mouth-piece. Meanwhile, 5 more American troops die as a result of Bush's failed fiasco.

"I don't endorse killing of Iraqi civilians, but that is the travesty casualty of war. We don't "hide behind them". Don't forget... your country is not the bad guy. The ones literally hiding behind and among the women and children of Iraq are your friends - the noble insurgents. We are there to defend the people or Iraq from them and are doing a fine job.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 3:44 PM"

At best that's 'moral relativism' as Jeane Kirkpatrick would have said.

Unreal, SS.

And how do you determine who is hiding behind the women and children as terrorists, and who is living among them as family members?

"...shoot em all; If they run they are VC if the stand still they are smart VC..."

Posted by: BobinATL | March 10, 2008 5:36 PM

Because Iraq is "about OIL", is different than "about making OIL companies rich" - I know, I know, there I go actually using context again- you should try it- it goes a long way to help you with your credibility issue.

So its not a Holy War then?

Some of the folks that you would be verbally high fivin' right now have said that we are in a holy war (in this post).

OBL says that Iraq is a Holy War.

George Bush says we are in a War ( he holds back on the "Holy" part) .

Just about every DEM leader and/or presidential candidate has said that the war in Iraq is anything from a mistake to a bumper sticker...

I would say the common sense money should go with the guys fighting each other to determine what actually is happening in Iraq..

Can you check in with team, have a meeting or exchange notes before you bloviate?

More cheap rhetoric from Bush and his mouth-piece. Meanwhile, 5 more American troops die as a result of Bush's failed fiasco.

Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | March 10, 2008 5:47 PM

More cheap rhetoric from left wing posters- at the same time NO rape rooms have been opened in Iraq, NO people had their tongues cut out, and no parents had to watch Uday or Qusay take their teenage girls away.

Context-

Steve S. - According to the US Defence Department, Al Qaida in Iraq is only very loosely affiliated with the Bin Laden Al Qaida. Al Qaida in Iraq's primary goal is to push the US invaders out of Iraq. If you wanted to fight them over there, we would not have left Afghanistan to the UN. Your facts are wrong. Bush really screwed this one up.

More cheap rhetoric from left wing posters- at the same time NO rape rooms have been opened in Iraq, NO people had their tongues cut out, and no parents had to watch Uday or Qusay take their teenage girls away.

Context-

Posted by: heartburn | March 10, 2008 5:59 PM

Hey heartburn, don't forget the KBR rape room.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/11/wtexas111.xml

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou071219_tj_kbrfolo.31118637.html

What progress!

The terrorists will get tired of fighting...just look at the Israel and palestinian conflict. 60 years and it's much better.

Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC and BobinATL,

That's the way to do it, keep making this Wingnut heartburn move the goalposts everytime he comes on here and says something stupid.

I love watching people yank his chain after he comes on here and makes some stupid proclamation...like he always does.

He likes to fancy himself as a "smart guy" ;-)

"Context-"
Posted by: heartburn | March 10, 2008 5:59 PM

I'll hang my hat up the day I need a reality denying Bushie lecture me on context. Context: He avoided serving, DUI and cocaine, he lies, he took the country to war on false pretenses, he broke the economy, and he is an idiot. Context.

Hey guys, how bout you stop fighting over what "YOU" think, our troops are over there fighting a war that apparently you are not willing to do. To them its not about the president or anything like that, its about the men and women next to them fighting. Its about the safety of their friends and family. Wars happen and they end eventually. We are there defending our country, defending the American people. They attacked us remember? It wasnt like we were looking for a fight. And in doing this we got rid of a tyrannt and created a sence of safety for people over there. There are some sick, crazy people over there willing to kill anyone that has a different opinion then them. But then there are people over there that would love to have what we have, and thats what we are trying to give them- freedom. If you cant support our troops in what they are doing- defending our country and making sure you sleep safe at night- then you dont deserve to be in this country.

They attacked us remember?
Posted by: Leigh | March 10, 2008 7:47 PM

Who attacked us? Iraq? Don't tell me what troops think. I lost more friends while in Nam than cookies you have baked. I saw them turn into a red mist in front of my eyes. That was a failed foriegn policy and so is this. I love these oh so patriotic people who don't have a clue about war. Oh..but you have a sticker on your SUV..how could I possibly question your knowledge. Then I have to read from someone who thinks Iraq attacked us..tell me I don't deserve to be in this country. How patriotic....

"...They attacked us remember? It wasnt like we were looking for a fight. And in doing this we got rid of a tyrannt and created a sence of safety for people over there..."
Posted by: Leigh | March 10, 2008 7:47 PM

Really? They attacked us? We weren't looking for a fight? We created a "sence" (sic) of safety for those people over there? I can't believe I got it so wrong. Gosh, I must be an idiot.

"BUSH SPEAKS IN THE ROSE GARDEN"

I COME TO YOU TODAY AMERICA, NOT ABOUT THE WAR ON TERROR, NOT ABOUT "SUCCESS" NOT ABOUT THE MANY AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIFE FOR MY CALL.

I COME TO YOU TODAY, BECAUSE A DEMOCRAT HAS GOTTEN HIS HAND CAUGHT IN THE AL MIGHT HELLO KITTY JAR.

YES, THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE 4.50 GAS HE PAID FOR THE HOOKUP. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE 4.89 GALLON MILK HE BOUGHT FOR HER CHILDREN. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FORECLOSURES AND LOSS OF JOBS IN AMERICA.

YES, TODAY IS BLAME IT ON THE "KITTY" DAY. SO LET US TAKE THIS DAY, AS A GREAT DISTRACTION FROM MY WAR ON TERROR.

BY THE WAY WE LOST MORE MEN TODAY, MORE WOMEN YESTER, MORE OF YOUR SONS, DAUGHTERS, BROTHERS, SISTERS AND NEIGHBORS.

BUT IT'S SPITZER DAY. SO LET'S ALL RELISH IN THIS MOMENT.

YA'LL DID WITH VITTER, FOLEY, CRAIG, DUSTY, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE IN MY GOVERNMENT.

HOW WHO, CUNNINGHAM, OH WELL, IT'S SPITZER DAY.

SO NO MORE QUESTIONS.

Roger Morris,

Hilarious, my sides hurt.

"Hey guys, how bout you stop fighting over what "YOU" think,,,"

Ok, Mark, Frank, Jill, shut er down. Leigh says to stop giving our opinions. Turn it off. Get rid of the archive. Not needed or wanted.

Bill Hussein R.

'I am Spartacus, No, I am Spartacus, No, I am Spartacus. (All) I am Spartacus!!'

"More cheap rhetoric from left wing posters- at the same time NO rape rooms have been opened in Iraq, NO people had their tongues cut out, and no parents had to watch Uday or Qusay take their teenage girls away."

Posted by: heartburn | March 10, 2008 5:59 PM

So the way to stop that is to destabilize the entire country. Great idea.

"More cheap rhetoric from left wing posters- at the same time NO rape rooms have been opened in Iraq, NO people had their tongues cut out, and no parents had to watch Uday or Qusay take their teenage girls away."

Posted by: heartburn | March 10, 2008 5:59 PM"

Heartburn,

Whaaa?

For years we have been reading about dozens of people every day or week being discovered dead, tortured, decapitated, raped to death, heads cut off, children included.

What on earth are you talking about?

George Bush and John McCain both have their heads up their ass. Things are not getting better in Iraq. What has happened in Iraq is that 2 and 1\2 million people with the wealth and intellect have left their homeland. The kurds, sunnis, and shites have all moved into neighborhoods with their own kind. What has happened is a polarization of the people of Iraq. Sounds like Lebanon, Palestine and Israel, don't you think.

" We have to stay whether we like it or not.

Posted by: Steve S | March 10, 2008 3:03 PM"

Mygod, that's the logic that kept us in Indo-China for 58k American deaths and over 2 million collateral damage deaths.

Roger Morris good comment. Hurt my eyes to read it with the ALL CAPS on but...I guess one time won't hurt. CAPS LOCK ROGER off. Thanks.

p.s. how embarrassed is his wife. What a loser. Wall St got their pound of flesh today. More to come but hey in other news eight American service people where killed in a needless war.

Like Vietnam, we should have cut our losses a long time ago.  Since Bush and Cheney were Chickenhawks--they never learned the lesson.  McCain may have, but he won't admit it--politics above life.  The way terrorist can get into this country is by way of Bush's open southern border.  Politics above life. BTW the Viet cong never followed us home after we left without a "WIN".  Bush/Cheney/McShame say, we will win--damn it!!!--even if we have to sacrifice another 4000 lives of OTHER Americans.  The only people who can get a "WIN" are the Iraqis--not us--but they will never take control, or stand on their own feet. Can you blame them???  After Cheney/Bush bombed the hell out of Iraq, BushCorp DISBANDED the already existing Iraqi ARMY in 2003.  So, if I was an Iraqi--I'd be asking, "why get another army together when you ruined a perfectly good one already?"  Another Bush/Cheney move to create chaos--then BushCorp says, we are needed because there is chaos.  Do you get the circular sh*t? 

I repeat my complaints--in different variations often--and its funny--I am not a dirty hippy.  I am mid-aged, have raised responsible, contributing children, don't really care to be cool, work, pay taxes, try to be a good citizen, and am saddened, and in disbelief over the debt for my children and their peers, the thousands of needless deaths, the decline of the dollar--loss of respect for our country, missed opportuities and all the waste and the decline of laws that Bush/Cheney created--all in 7 short years. And, the lies hurt--they are an insult. Bush/Cheney were given the keys to hell with no oversight.  I can't believe they are allowed to walk around free, and to continue in their elected offices. There are only 535 people who can stop any of this--but they are acting really busy now, and are consumed--like the MSM--by an election that won't fix anything--if at all--for another 10 months--and Bush keeps signing agreements that will tie our hands long after he is gone.  Why does he limit, and sh*t on a future president's administration?   We got screwed, but it is time to cut our losses. Who can afford an ego? The troops already did what was asked of them.  Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11--why continue the lie? Google 'YouTube Bush denies linking Saddam and 9/11.'

"CNN SPEAKS"

OH WHERE OH WHERE IS OUR NEXT DISTRACTIONT TODAY, OH WHERE OH WHERE IS IT AT!

FIVE AMERICAN "COALIATION" AMERICAN TROOPS FROM AMERICA ONLY WERE KILLED IN IRAQ.

NOT SPITZER.
NOT VITTER.
NOT DUKE CUNNINGHAM
NOT LARRY CRAIG
NOT MR. BOOTY CALL FOLEY
NOT TOM DELAY
NOT BOB NEY

BUT ONE DEFINITELY A "BOHENER".

IT'S SPITZER DAY.
IT'S "HELLO KITTY" DAY

NOT "SUCCESS IN IRAQ" DAY
NOT "BENCHMARK #3 DAY"
NOT "BENCHMARK" #4,5,6,7,8.9.10,11,12,13,14GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ DAY"

JUST MR. DISTRACTION DAY.

IT'S SPITZER DAY!

BECAUSE THE GOP ISN'T DOWN WITH ECONOMIC SUCK DAY! IT'S WATERBOARDING DAY!

FROM MR. STUPID!

The only time 'The Swamp' prints stories about Iraq is when our military hero's get slaughtered.

JohnE. and Dale Peters are proud of you Silva...

Good (Neville Chamberlain) article!

Paulo

The only time 'The Swamp' prints stories about Iraq is when our military hero's get slaughtered.

Posted by: Paulo | March 11, 2008 1:53 AM

I thought we were winning? Paulo says we are getting slaughtered.

I'll hang my hat up the day I need a reality denying Bushie lecture me on context. Context: He avoided serving, DUI and cocaine, he lies, he took the country to war on false pretenses, he broke the economy, and he is an idiot. Context.

Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | March 10, 2008 7:10 PM

Do you feel better now? Thats what this is really about isn't it? Pathological hatred of Bush is always at the core of any extreme left wing point of view- I knew it would come out sooner or later, didn't take long for you.

Whaaa?

For years we have been reading about dozens of people every day or week being discovered dead, tortured, decapitated, raped to death, heads cut off, children included.

What on earth are you talking about?

Posted by: TheReamer | March 10, 2008 10:12 PM

You could say the same thing about any inner-city in the US- the difference is that NOW it is being done by extremists, terrorists and people that do not want the Iraqi people to have a democracy. You are actually making a case for us staying in Iraq until there is stability- you wouldn't pull the cops out of LA, Chicago, or Detroit because they can't stop all of the killing and torturing- would you?

So the way to stop that is to destabilize the entire country. Great idea.

Posted by: Exposer of Charlatans | March 10, 2008 9:43 PM

yes- ( in a word).

I am not remembering any better ideas for taking Saddam out coming from the left...

Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC and BobinATL,

That's the way to do it, keep making this Wingnut heartburn move the goalposts everytime he comes on here and says something stupid.

I love watching people yank his chain after he comes on here and makes some stupid proclamation...like he always does.

He likes to fancy himself as a "smart guy" ;-)

Posted by: John E | March 10, 2008 7:04 PM

I have you figured out-

When someone has a different point of view than yours you either;
Make completely irrelevant comments- usually with a link to some odd website or visual-

or you tell them to sign up for military service.

or you attempt to team up with people

Your like a trained puppy-

Hey heartburn, should we ask other countries to patrol the streets of Chicago and LA with military forces since we cannot stop the violence there?

Iraq's internal security should be Iraq's problem.

Pathological hatred of Bush
Posted by: heartburn | March 11, 2008 9:53 AM

Ya gotta love the hypocricy of the right. One would think that Heartburn simply missed the Clinton era.

I am not remembering any better ideas for taking Saddam out coming from the left...

Posted by: heartburn | March 11, 2008 10:05 AM

When did it become our job to remove other countries leaders...be them good or bad? Do you plan on taking the many other bad leaders out too? While there are people in our own country who we could help. What kind of fool would think that our blood and treasure will ever be appreciated? You don't understand the people of this region at all.

heartburn,

No better ideas?

Containment and deterrence were working with that dirt ball. One of the huge neo-con lies was that C and D were not working in Saddam's case.

You can spin all day, HB, but most Americans and the world all know, the war in Iraq was unnecessary.

Paulo,
A hint about 'news'.

'1000 planes land safely at O'Hare' is not news.

'Plane crashes at O'Hare' is news.

Besides, there have been lots of stories out in the MSM about how violence decreased in Bag after the surge. Now the question remains; what happens post surge?

yes- ( in a word).

I am not remembering any better ideas for taking Saddam out coming from the left...

Posted by: heartburn | March 11, 2008 10:05 AM

I don't think it was the job of the U.S.A. to "take Saddam out." But if you like getting American soldiers killed in a civil war that Bush Inc(a.k.a. the Texas Mafia) created, and fushing trillions of dollars down the drain then hey, go for it. And GW did. I'm sure it makes it easier for he and Dick Cheney to sleep at night knowing that there cronies at Halliburton (a.k.a.KRB) lined there pockets. KBR Kellogg Brown and Root wholy owned subsidiary of Halliburton.

Now of course the word is finally leaking out KRB and they're contaminated water. The bloodbourne illness that will be plaguing soldiers due to contaminated water will dwarf Gulf War Syndrome (almost certainly chem poisoning) and Agent Orange. The soldiers on the ground had numerous complaints and they were forced to use KRB's wretched service despite they're protestations. Well now all that is coming out and I saw my first TV news story about it this weekend on CNN. Just a blip on the radar so to speak, but soon to become a flood once the extent of the problem, and subsequent cover up are revealed.
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new2.cfm?doc_name=inv2

It's covered extremely well by Robert Greenwald in "Iraq for Sale." I think it's a Brave New Films production.

I don't think it was the job of the U.S.A. to "take Saddam out."

Posted by: Exposer of Charlatans | March 11, 2008 10:37 AM

Actually it was- when we made, "regime change" for Iraq the official policy.

Containment and deterrence were working with that dirt ball. One of the huge neo-con lies was that C and D were not working in Saddam's case.

Posted by: C.Hussein.Morris | March 11, 2008 10:29 AM

So violating all of those UN resolutions, bypassing UN mandated trade restrictions with the Oil for Food scandal, targeting ours and UN planes enforcing the no fly zones, and continuously escalating rhetoric from a guy who has had a history of threatening his neighbors = working to you?

Intelligent people can argue about how or when the war was conducted- you can't make a case that leaving Saddam on the path he was on was the right thing to do.

Iraq's internal security should be Iraq's problem.

Posted by: Luke | March 11, 2008 10:18 AM

Luke, how many Iraqi innocents would die if the U.S. pulled out tomorrow? Do you think Iraqis would stop killing each other if the U.S. pulled out? What evidence do you have to that effect? How much is an Iraqi life worth compared to an American?

Actually it was- when we made, "regime change" for Iraq the official policy.

Posted by: heartburn | March 11, 2008 10:50 AM

Refresh my mind because I get confused for the "ever changing" reason for invading Iraq. Was "regime change" before or after WMDs? Was it before or after a continuing war on terror?

HBurn,
It was no worse under Saddam than now. Iraqis are still dying in the hundreds, maybe thousands, plus Iran's hand has been strengthened. Plus 4k Americans are dead.

Yes, status quo under Saddam was better for us in every way. Financially, militarily, politically.

TeamBlix proved SH had no active programs and little offensive capability conventional or otherwise.

TeamBush chose to ignore the plain facts in the case.

JB-

How many innocent Iraqis will die tomorrow if the US doesn't pull out? Do you think Iraqis will stop killing each other if the US stays? What evidence do you have to that effect?

Here's my evidence that the US troops in Iraq aren't keeping the Iraqis from getting killed:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Simply stated, we cannot end the violence. Only the Iraqis can do that. The best chance of that actually happening is if we hold the Iraqis accountable for their own country and trust that they are capable of managing their own internal affairs. Just as Iraqi lives are as valuable as american lives, Iraqis have just as much right to sort out their internal affairs as they see fit, as americans do.

"...It was no worse under Saddam than now..."

Posted by: C.Hussein.Morris | March 11, 2008 12:15 PM

This is not a given- would you say that Iraq has a better chance at a future that includes some level of sanity for the average Iraqi now or with Saddam in power?

No, not necessarily.

Bad things will happen when we leave, but those Iraqi factions will have to sort it out themselves.
IMO, those bad things can happen now, with fewer dead Americans and Iraqis, or in 20 years, with more dead all around.

We shouldn't ha gone in there.

Another lie from pResident Doogie Howser's reasons for the Iraq war gets shot down:

[quote]
Study: Iraq had no link to al-Qaida

Pentagon finds the 'bulletproof' prewar evidence turned out bogus

By WARREN P. STROBEL
McClatchy-Tribune

WASHINGTON — An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network.

The Pentagon-sponsored study, scheduled for release later this week, did confirm that Saddam's regime provided some support to other terrorist groups, particularly in the Middle East, U.S. officials told McClatchy Newspapers. However, his security services were directed primarily against Iraqi exiles, Shiite Muslims, Kurds and others he considered enemies of his regime.

The new study of the Iraqi regime's archives found no documents indicating a "direct operational link" between Hussein's Iraq and al-Qaida before the invasion, according to a U.S. official familiar with the report.
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source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/5608384.html