Howard Dean: Pushing for a decision in June: The Swamp
 
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Posted March 28, 2008 10:15 AM
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by Mark Silva

Howard Dean – he of the campaign scream heard ‘round the world – worries that Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and their supporters tearing each other down could be demoralizing the party’s base and damaging the party’s chances of winning the White House. He says so in an interview with the Associated Press.

The chairman of the Democratic National Committee, himself a candidate for president in 2004, says he hopes that the party’s nominee will be determined shortly after primary voting ends in early June – and he will encourage party superdelegates to make up their minds before the party’s convention in Denver in August.

The countercharges between Clinton and Obama have grown too personal at times, Dean suggests.

“You do not want to demoralize the base of the Democratic Party by having the Democrats attack each other," Dean said Thursday in an interview reported today by the AP’s Nedra Pickler. "Let the media and the Republicans and the talking heads on cable television attack and carry on, fulminate at the mouth. The supporters should keep their mouths shut about this stuff on both sides because that is harmful to the potential victory of a Democrat."

The superdelegates, the nearly 800 party and elected officials who can support whomever they choose at the convention, should decide soon, he says.

"There is no point in waiting," Dean told the AP. “The Democratic political organization "is as good or better as the Republicans,' and we haven't been able to say that for about 30 years. But that all doesn't make any difference if people are really disenchanted or demoralized by a convention that's really ugly and nasty."

“Somebody is going to lose," said Dean, the former governor of Vermont who lost his own bid for the party's nomination early in the 2004 primary season. "My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner."

It is good that the candidates are debating controversies such as the incendiary sermons by Obama's pastor and Clinton's different accounts of her trip to Bosnia as first lady now, Dean says. If Democrats didn't deal with them now, he says, Republicans would surely make use of them in the fall. (They probably will in the fall anyway.)

Dean has been quietly consulting with party stalwarts about how to wrap up the nomination quickly. He has spoken with former Vice President Al Gore, former presidential candidate John Edwards, former Sen. George Mitchell, former President Carter, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, civil rights activist Jesse Jackson and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo.

"There'll be some nasty fights if it goes to convention, and people will walk out," Dean said. "But I've also been talking to a fairly significant number of, by and large, nonaligned people about how we might resolve this."

While encouraging superdelegates to pick a candidate shortly after the voting ends in June, he will encourage no one to vote one way or another. While Obama’s campaign encourages superdelegates to back the candidate with the most pledged delegates – Obama – Dean maintains that the party’s rules do not require that and superdelegates are free to move as they please.

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"Dean has been quietly consulting with party stalwarts about how to wrap up the nomination quickly."

I'm thinking more and more to sit this one out...at this point I don't think my vote will count. This is being decided by the leaders of the party NOT the voters.


NOTE TO OBAMA AN MCCAIN SUPPORTERS

last night I sent a response to the question asked by others

the question posed was "why does the Lewinsky thing keep coming up"

I wrote a detailed response - possibly a little controversial but only if you support Hillary - no expletives of any kind - in fact, it was so technical it was quite a bit boring

I posted it under two different headings because two different individuals had been bringing up related issues

both of these responses were up last night

they were still there this morning

now they are gone

poof

I assure you these were very vanilla comments but it spoke directly to the issue, which of course, did hillary no favors - but otherwise were very plain ordinary comments - absolutely no vulgarity or profanity - no "cigar" references or "stain" references - NADA

and poof they are gone

so if you think obama or mccain controls the swamp, think again

their supporters may have influence but so does you know who


Howard Dean and the national party are the reason that Florida and Michigan delegates aren't being counted at this point. That's one of the main reasons that the Democratic candidates are so close. They didn't foresee this situation and should take all of the blame for it. Maybe Dean thinks he should have a another shot at the nomination?


I'm confused about two things. One, is why nobody is pointing out that every election cycle we normally complain about how it's decided too quickly and the point of the primary season is to try to draw it out and give everybody a chance to vote. This has finally happened and everyone is so nervous about it. The other thing is this notion of votes not counting because super delegates may decide. Well, the super delegates are there for just this purpose among a few others, if we can't make up our minds, someone has to. They only get to decide because we the voters couldn't.


All of this talk about Clinton dropping out........ give it a rest....... They will have to call security at the Convention to drag her out. Clinton has no shame. She is also suffering from insomnia, she really doesn't understand where she is and she is being propped up by her supporters hanging on to the back of her neck so she doesn't fall over. I would bet that if all the superdelegates backed Obama tomorrow, she would still find a reason to stay in this race. The Huckabee factor. She attacks Obama on his economic speech as being "just words" and with the same breath says he stole the ideas from her. So which is it ?


Well, Howie, after the way we middle-aged women were treated by Obama, don't expect us to shut up and enjoy the Axelrodding anytime soon.
It is sexist sexist sexist the way the obama's have handled this campaign.
He needs to accept Hilary's offer of Veep (since he's stealing her ideas now--before he stole Edwards' ideas).
The chic trib 'analysis' that shows based on number of articles that they're 'fair' is very flawed. Let's look at the PORTRAYAL in those stories, the numbers of negative modifiers, say.


lochness... did you just figure that out?


If the party insiders are going to decide, why have primaries? Caucases exclude too many people. The democratic election is being controlled by the few. Who is Nancy Pelosi anyway to comment on the contest while people are still waiting to cast ballots? Each candidate should have to earn the nod, not by default but by winning. The media and insiders have hijacked this election. Why vote if it's not going to count.


TGIF everyone

if you have never seen

WAG THE DOG

rent it soon

how can you go wrong ?
Robert DeNiro
Dustin Hoffman
Woody Harrelson
Anne Heche
Willie Nelson
Dennis Leary

screenplay

David Mamet

music

Mark Knoffler


if you've seen it before but not recently - you might want to see it again

in light of recent events -

you might find it funny (or sad)

fabricated WMD's

photoOps at an airport landing field where a little girl is being greeted by an official

ducking heads to run from faked sniper fire

war actions to cover up sex scandal

prophetic


The Media are close to 100% in favor of Obama, this is a FACT. When you consider The Media is controlled by Corp. Interests, I can only believe/think they would support whoever they think would be on their side in most matters. From what I can find out Obama is for sale to them, and Hillary is for the average folk. This is my honest opinion as to why they are supporting him.


Senator Leahy of Vermont has just come out calling for Hillary to withdraw, saying there's no way she can win.


No Dr. Dean, no decision in June. The Democrat cat fight has to go on into the convention where Hillary and Bill can try to steal it from Obama. Operation Chaos must go on. That's the whole purpose of those hundreds of thousands of Republicans crossing over to vote for Hillary in Texas, Pennsylvania and points east and west. Operation Chaos, created by Rush Limbaugh, is working. Keep the fight going and then let Hillary do some devious thing to steal the nomination.


NEWS FLASH FOR HOWARD!!! -- OBAMA HAS ALREADY LOST THE VOTES OF HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS BECAUSE OF THE SLEAZY CAMPAIGN BUILT ON LIES AND RACISM OBAMA HAS RUN AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU DISENFRANCHISING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN. YOU CAN TOSS BIASED, UNETHICAL DO NOTHING PELOSI IN THERE TOO!! I'M VOTING FOR NADER MYSELF IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION.


I love to see Hillary fight on. The more she fight on, the more I see the bags under her eyes are getting bigger and bigger. It's just like see her dying in slow motion.
It's a pleasure.
Go Hillary


In contrast to the Democratic (BOY ! is THAT a misnomer !) Party, the Republicans have a very weird primary system.

Their primary system is that whichever candidate gets the most popular votes, wins ! How Neanderthal is that ? !


I’m afraid most of the people commenting here don’t understand the roll of super delegates, their sole purpose is to keep a viable candidate in the running just in case the nominee somehow implodes and makes himself/herself unelectable in the fall. They will not go against the nominee that gets the popular vote, their job is to keep the party together, not to tear it apart. As for being a close primary, BS the only people that want to make it look close is Hillary and the news media. If Hillary was this far out in front of Obama at this point in the campaign, every media outlet would be calling for Obama to give it up, or they would be writing him off. Remember the media loves a particularly nasty fight and they will do what they can to keep it going, regardless of how damaging the consequences are. In this case those consequences can have a monumental effect on how many more of our children we lose to a war that will never have a clear winner or loser, only the blood thousands on the hands of the republican party.


Hillary and Bill did not get to where they are ($$$$ and power) by being ethical and having good morals. They got there by making friends in high places in big business, and banking. These friend s of theirs are not republican or democrat, they are internationalists at heart. In other words they will go where the money is to be made. Some of these same people ($$$$) are the same people that elected Lieberman, when he was losing the Connecticut senate election.

On the other hand we have Obama who never was tied to these business and banking groups. Most likely because he has not had that much time in a power position to set up a financial power base. Not only that he is also a genuine man of change based on a firm understanding of the world . This comes from his mother a world traveler and intellectual , and being the son of an African. Total opposite of George Bush who was not interested in the world and only benefited “from the “status quo“. Remember he came from a wealthy Wasp family with a strong belief in their god given right to be superior to the rest of us.

By destroying Obama’s chance of being president Clinton keeps her ties to business and banking friend. While at the same time go down in history as being the first woman for president and victim of the male in politics. In the end she will look like a hero and keep the case and her darling status flow glow coming in from her friends on Wall Street.

In the mean time we will have the first president with a bad case of PTSD and many senior moments


Well unless Hillary gets the nomination, after all the smear, bait and switch lies and games Obama has used, even stooping to calling the Clintons racist? I am DONE with the Democrats after this and many years as a fighter for this party. I will vote for Nader in November if Obama wins this nomination. Obama and his sleazy supporters will never represent me and the Democratic values I was raised with. Today's Democrats are useless, clueless, back stabbing, unappreciative, disorganized FOOLS who have vilified the Clintons, our proudest and most successful party representatives. It is time to disassociate with these idiots supporting Obama and the biased Democrat "leaders" running our party into the ground. OBAMA started all the infighting among Dems in '07 and his preacher / mentor is a RACIST!! I AM DONE WITH THIS UNETHICAL CUT THROAT PARTY. GO HILLARY!! ALL THE WAY!! DO NOT BACK DOWN!!


They all suck. Every candidate from every party, they all suck. They are all criminals, none give a damn about you and you and you. Obama is just as sleazy as the rest. His sleaziness isn't as prevalent only because, as someone else said, he hasn't been in there long enough to have established sleaziness. When are you all going to realize this country is gone and a multi-national corporation has taken its place? You have nothing to do with who gets nominated. Nothing.


Pressure from the Republican pundits to truncate the race between Obama and Clinton should not be construed as true. We Democrats are enjoying the elongated race. We still know very little about Barrack Obama. We can't understand how he can even tie with a great candidate like Hillary Clinton. The Gender issue needs to be brought out in the open and examined. We all know that women have more stamina, generally more honesty, and fairer than the conniving males. Obamas victories are mysterious---so as to create suspicion by people who have watched and listened to the pundits as well as to Obama. If it doesn't make sense---(as Judge Judy always says) then it is a lie.
Obama, now that he has introduced Race into the equation, cannot win the presidency. His close affiliation with a biggotted, angry, anti-American, anti White and anti female pastor, Rev Jerimiah Wright, is ludicrous.
Obama may try, but he cannot erase the stain on himself by defending this lunatic pastor.
How can a half-black candidate who's "mentor" has spewed such venom against the nation and all other groups be considerd a "uniter"?
Obama has lied about matters of state so many times. We already have a lying lunatic in the White House. Do we want another go-round?
Hillary stands alone as a true leader. She fears no man. She is dilligent and industrious; including the millions in Michigan and Florida. (This is the way our Constitution works to give each American a voice in choosing our candidates>)
The race is so close, and the pressure put on Hillary to quit is unreal. Let them battle it out, in the end, the best one will succeed. A woman can win. Hillary is the right candidate for our times. She can accomplish so much because she was alongside Bill when he took us toward the right road to pay down the debt, build jobs, oversee the policies such as NAFTA to make them work the way they should. There were no needless wars then and no one died for oil. The economy was stable, and more people enjoyed owning stocks.
DON'T ALLOW THE PUNDITS ON NBC STATIONS AND CNN TO GIVE US ANOTHER INCOMPETENT PERSON LIKE GEORGE BUSH . THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, THEY MADE THE ELECTION SO CLOSE, THAT IT WAS EASIER TO GAME IT. BUT BUSH WAS SO UNPOPULAR THAT FINALLY THE SUPREME COURT ELECTED HIM. IS THIS THE WAY OUR CONSTITUTION DICTATES? YOU KNOW BETTER


Pressure from the Republican pundits to truncate the race between Obama and Clinton should not be construed as true. We Democrats are enjoying the elongated race. We still know very little about Barrack Obama. We can't understand how he can even tie with a great candidate like Hillary Clinton. The Gender issue needs to be brought out in the open and examined. We all know that women have more stamina, generally more honesty, and fairer than the conniving males. Obamas victories are mysterious---so as to create suspicion by people who have watched and listened to the pundits as well as to Obama. If it doesn't make sense---(as Judge Judy always says) then it is a lie.
Obama, now that he has introduced Race into the equation, cannot win the presidency. His close affiliation with a biggotted, angry, anti-American, anti White and anti female pastor, Rev Jerimiah Wright, is ludicrous.
Obama may try, but he cannot erase the stain on himself by defending this lunatic pastor.
How can a half-black candidate who's "mentor" has spewed such venom against the nation and all other groups be considerd a "uniter"?
Obama has lied about matters of state so many times. We already have a lying lunatic in the White House. Do we want another go-round?
Hillary stands alone as a true leader. She fears no man. She is dilligent and industrious; including the millions in Michigan and Florida. (This is the way our Constitution works to give each American a voice in choosing our candidates>)
The race is so close, and the pressure put on Hillary to quit is unreal. Let them battle it out, in the end, the best one will succeed. A woman can win. Hillary is the right candidate for our times. She can accomplish so much because she was alongside Bill when he took us toward the right road to pay down the debt, build jobs, oversee the policies such as NAFTA to make them work the way they should. There were no needless wars then and no one died for oil. The economy was stable, and more people enjoyed owning stocks.
DON'T ALLOW THE PUNDITS ON NBC STATIONS AND CNN TO GIVE US ANOTHER INCOMPETENT PERSON LIKE GEORGE BUSH . THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, THEY MADE THE ELECTION SO CLOSE, THAT IT WAS EASIER TO GAME IT. BUT BUSH WAS SO UNPOPULAR THAT FINALLY THE SUPREME COURT ELECTED HIM. IS THIS THE WAY OUR CONSTITUTION DICTATES? YOU KNOW BETTER


Super delegates may switch sides, but they're not bound to vote the same way as the popular votes go. A good example is Ted Kennedy who endorsed Obama even though his constituency chose Hillary Clinton.


Obama’s Bible Study Class

James Meeks – an Illinois state senator, pastor of one of the largest churches in the state and a declared Spiritual Adviser for Obama – came under fire for comments rebroadcast last week calling white American mayors "slave masters" and referring to black preachers and politicians who "protect" the "white man" as "house n-ggers."

"We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," Meeks said in an August 2006 sermon broadcast on a Chicago community television channel.
Aside from his senatorial duties, Meeks is an Illinois Superdelegate pledged to Obama and also presides over Salem Baptist Church, described as the largest church in Illinois.


In 2006, Meeks informed his church during a sermon he may run for Illinois governor. He was recorded telling the mostly black congregation any "white Christian" who doesn't vote for him is a "racist."

Meeks is also notorious for his strong anti-homosexual platform, although Obama is campaigning for the "gay" vote. Meeks has routinely voted against pro-homosexual legislation and has been quoted during sermons referring to same-sex attraction "an evil sickness."

Obama told the Sun-Times that he attends Meeks' Salem Baptist Church for Wednesday night Bible study.

According to Illinois State Board of Elections records, Rezko's businesses, Rezmar Corp. and Rezko Concession, contributed to Meeks' campaign funds.


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