Foster's win spells trouble for GOP in House, Illinois: The Swamp
 
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Posted March 9, 2008 12:37 PM
The Swamp

by Jim Tankersley

Democrats in Illinois and Washington are celebrating today, after scientist/businessman Bill Foster beat Republican dairyman Jim Oberweis in yesterday's special election to replace retired Rep. Dennis Hastert, the former Republican Speaker of the House. And with good reason.

Republicans have cautioned against reading too much into the results and their implications for the fall elections. History, indeed, shows special elections sometimes foreshadow general-election trends and sometimes do not. But there are several reasons why this appears to be more than a typical pick-up of a House seat for Democrats - and why Republicans should worry in the coming months. Consider:

* This was not a "normal" seat in Congress. This was the home of the congressman who, until the GOP lost control of the chamber in the 2006 elections, was the most powerful man in the House. Oberweis was the candidate he backed to replace him. As psychological victories go for a party, this is on par with Republicans knocking off former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle in 2004.

* Oberweis' loss will fan fears that Illinois demographics are trending away from Republicans. When Melissa Bean beat GOP Rep. Phil Crane in the suburban 8th Congressional District in 2004, Republicans called it a fluke. Then she won re-election, and now she has another suburban/exurban Democrat joining her in Congress. Other Republicans in similar seats outside of Chicago - including Reps. Mark Kirk and Peter Roskam - are surely taking notice of that trend.

* This was a loss Republicans couldn't afford. Literally. Democrats ended January with more than a five-to-one advantage over Republicans in cash available to help their House candidates nationwide. Several reports estimated the National Republican Congressional Committee dumped at least a sixth of its available funds into the Illinois special election - and it still lost. The question now: Will the NRCC have enough money come fall to help Kirk and other incumbents targeted by the Democrats? Will it have any left over to play heavily in open seats such as the 11th CD of Illinois, which is being vacated by GOP Rep. Jerry Weller, or the 18th CD being vacated by GOP Rep. Ray LaHood? And will it have any cash at all to target the wave of Democratic freshmen who won election in 2006, in the year when they are least entrenched (and most vulnerable)?

* Special elections, especially those on Saturdays, are often seen as thermometers of party interest - the most revved-up base usually carries the day. At least one leading Democrat thought that would work to Republicans' favor in the Foster/Oberweis race; that, despite polls showing a dead heat, the GOP would turn out its base and Oberweis would win comfortably. The opposite happened, which only adds to the growing body of evidence from the presidential primaries that Democrats are the more energized party this year.

* Supporters of Sen. Barack Obama are already arguing that we've seen the first sign of an "Obama effect" that could ripple down ballots nationwide this fall if he is the Democratic nominee. The Oberweis/Foster battle was to some extent a proxy fight between Obama and GOP nominee-in-waiting John McCain, who each dropped in to help their respective party candidates. Obama supporters contend his boost was greater, particularly in rallying that base we were just talking about.

With all that said, we offer two glimmers of hope for Republicans from these results. The first is they get a re-match in the November election - and this time, Oberweis will be able to paint Foster as "part of the problem" in Washington, even if he's only been on the job a little while.

The second is more global. Part of Oberweis' problem rallying the Republican base in the special election may have been a hangover from his high-pitched primary fight with State Sen. Chris Lauzen. Republicans can only hope that whoever wins the Democratic presidential tussle between Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton will have the same problem uniting his or her base in the fall.

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Foster's win spells trouble for GOP in House, Illinois.

Ya think? As the republicans watch and laugh at the democrats candidates fighting for the nomination, what they have failed to see is the amount of people turning out in the primaries. As the republicans throw out the muslim horse manure daily, more and more people see the need to rid this country of this kind of party. McCartheyism only last awhile till people wake up.


I see a new color state begining to surface. Magenta!


After playing the only card they have left, fearfearfear, for the last seven years, the republitards have discovered they have nothing left to offer the voters except bathroom roundezvous'. Dupage voters voted for Obama as much as Foster. I can't wait for November.


The Wingnuts are in deep doo doo this coming fall, they just lost Denny Hastert's old seat in a Wingnut Red district, it doesn't get any worse than that.

Has anyone taken a look at the Republican fundraising and voter turnout numbers lately? They're god awful and they're getting worse.
The "Republican" brand name is being rejected on a nation wide basis.

I suspect the Wingers are going to intensify their insane attacks on Obama because let's face it, all the Repubs have to offer America is fear and smear, they certainly don't have any new idea's as to how to go about fixing the clusterfreak mess they've made of things the last 7 years...and John McCain/Bush has tied himself hook, line and sinker to the Bush/Cheney regime..HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


I have to hand it to the DNC, this is one of the funniest poilitical ads I've ever seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_asTXB7OkI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/main/2


Obama made a commercial for Foster. This demonstrates what will happen if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee for President--he'll have long coattails. Having Obama at the top of the ticket would increase the Democratic majorities in the house and senate. Looking at it from a practical perspective, 43% of all voters in the United States have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton. There's no way that Hillary Clinton, starting with such high negatives, would help Democratic candidates. With her incredibly high negatives, Hillary is destined to lose the National race. She knows that. That's why she is desparately pleading for Democrats to send Obama to the back of the bus (even though he'll have the most pledged delegates) as Vice-President--that's the only way she could win. But there's no logical reason to do that. Many "Recovering Republicans" like me, and independents, intend to vote for Obama in the General Election, but would NOT vote for a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket. The best hope that the Democratic Party has to win the Presidency in 2008 is NOT to send Obama to the back of the bus; it's to throw Clinton under the bus!


November will be a good month for the Dems if Hillary is the nominee. If the Dems are foolish and nominate Obama, it's President McCain.

Obama is unqualified and unelectable.

Hillary has already proven she's the strongest candidate, winning big in the big states that the Dems must win in the general election.

Hillary should choose a white male with strong national security credentials to make the strongest ticket.

BOYCOTT OPRAH!


RNC Gadfly Bruce & the Kids:

Don't do it!


Something's fishy. It's clear that the GOP is doomed this November if we hold free elections, yet no republicans are distancing themselves from the Bush/Cheney world-wide disaster. There is no sign of panic on the part of republican office holders. It's like they know the fix is already in.


The DEMOCRACTIC SUPER DELEGATES should pay close attention to these results.The BARACK OBAMA effect is clearly present here.If the democractic party wants to once again be a major player on the national stage I advise they hitch their wagons to the rising star called BARACK OBAMA and the spark of energy he has brought to this election cycle.The super delegates can start by sending a message to the CLINTON CAMPAIGN to drop the challange to OBAMA so that the democractic party can concentrate on JOHN McCAIN and the general election in november.


Certainly troubling, but let's remember that only 20% of the electorate came out. 1 in 5 voters, repubican and democrat, stayed home. There were not a lot of people turning out to vote in this special election, as some posters have tried to claim on this thread. Both candidates will do the same thing in November, and I'll bet there'll be a lot more than 1 in 5 voters at the polls in November.


Oberweis has spent his political career, such as it is, dividing the GOP into conservatives and "RINOs". Suddenly, when he needed his party united behind him, it didn't happen. Frankly, the Illinois Republican party needs to find a whole new group of candidates. If Oberweis cared about the party more than his own ambition, he'd drop out of the fall election and let a caucus pick his replacement, but we know that won't happen.


I guess Sen.McNut doesn't pull much weight even in a solid Repugnant district.

Spin it Billy Boy!!!!!


PS. Is it possible Republican voters have finally figured out that most of the tax cuts go to people like Crazy Oberweis?


Big thanks to ChopperJim for blowing it --- AGAIN.
Was this part of Chairman Andy's grand plan?
Should Capt Kirk and Roskum start packing?


Despite Jim Tankersley's typo in his glimmer of hope line in the article I have a much better perspective on what Republicans can hope for in the future.

Republicans can begin to be more vigilant on the kinds of people they let run their party. In the case of the last Neo-Conservative hijack, this group demonstrated to the country and the world that they are incapable of managing the country. The economic mismanagement alone has been so visibly wide-spread that only the most narrow-minded supporters of the party have seen the devastation the party's fiscal policies have visited on our country.

The next time Republicans want to vet a candidate in their primaries it might be a good idea to see just who the candidate's friends and associates are before committing their support and vote. As a matter of fact, let us all begin by a close examination of the presidential nominee...

Rev. William Hayashi


Recovering Republican wrote: "Having Obama at the top of the ticket would increase the Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. Looking at it from a practical perspective, 43% of all voters in the United States have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton.

The best hope that the Democratic Party has to win the Presidency in 2008 is NOT to send Obama to the back of the bus; it's to throw Clinton under the bus!"

Well put, oh, and lets not forget how an actual majority in the House and Senate would further relegate the Repubs to a freakish side show, yelling "We MUST torture, lots of brown people want to kill us!", or "responsible stewardship of our children's planet would ruin the economy"
or my personal favorite,

(a little bit of Rush with a sprinkle of Glen Beck)

"Liberals are the real facsists, and they're going to surrender to the terrorists, and turn the country into a communist dictatorship ruled by a commitee of castrated kooks!"

Obama or Clinton, (I'd prefer Obama) the Republicans are in some deep doo-doo this round.

BTW, Does any one else find Hannity's daily attacks on Obama's patriotism disgraceful?
"the last refuge of a scoundrel" comes to mind.


Thank goodnes the people of the 14th district elected Foster over Oberweis. Oberweis has now lost 4 races in Illinois. Get the message pal, you're messages of hate, intolerance, biggotry are not welcome here. Let's make this change permanent. Foster, please don't dissapoint us!


Perhaps this should be seen as part of a trend but, personally, I think that the result is a judgement on Oberweis personally. He is an obnoxious, horrible candidare whom even Republicans do not want to vote for. That Hastert backed him just shows how detached from reality Denny is. The trend is the ability of the Illinois GOP to keep coming up with and supporting obvious losers like Jim Oberweis. (Think.... Alan Keyes.)


The Republican Party is in deep (doo doo) in Illinois and everywhere else except the so-called "traditional" Republican strongholds -- the evangelical midwest and south.

People in this country are tired of the Republican rhetoric, hypocracy and lies. People are tired of Republican Party speaking with a forked tongue, claim to be "compassionate conservatives" and, at the same time, mucking up or outright refusing help to people in need while spending billions on a foreign war in the name of freedom.

What a load of bull. I'm all for military action in Afghanistan, and chasing down bin Laden. But could Bush be satisfied with that?

No. He had to make up a story about weapons of mass desctruction in Iraq, which had NOTHING to do with bin Laden, invade another country, forget about bin Laden in favor of chasing down another bad guy and basically continue to lie to the American people he is sworn to protect.

The Republican Party is full of selfish, self-serving people like this. Suburban home owners who care about nothing more except their taxes. They don't care about anyone or anything else except themselves - until something bad happens to them. Only then do they expect government to bail them out. But for anyone else, government help is unnecessary.

This is the kind of person I'd like to put in my car, drive into the worst ghetto of Chicago, make them get out of the car and find their way out of the hoodie-hood. They'd so totally freak out because they believe black people are all gang members, drug addicts and criminals.

Republicans don't believe in diversity. They are, by and large, anti-black, anti-hispanic, anti-gay and anti-whoever looks and act differently from them. Jim Oberweiss is typical of this mindset.

Republicans stereotype. They watch too much television.

The Republican Party long ago ceased to be the party of Lincoln.


Certainly troubling, but let's remember that only 20% of the electorate came out. 1 in 5 voters, repubican and democrat, stayed home. There were not a lot of people turning out to vote in this special election, as some posters have tried to claim on this thread. Both candidates will do the same thing in November, and I'll bet there'll be a lot more than 1 in 5 voters at the polls in November.

Posted by: Jeff | March 9, 2008 1:58 PM


Hey Jeff,

Just a couple of days ago you were on here chirping about how Oberweis was going to win big...


SPIN SPIN SPIN, I GET RIGHT UP ONLY TO FALL DOWN AGAIN!!


John, you were right and I was wrong. I did expect Oberweis to win (although you never took my bet). I agree that he's a horrible candidate and I'd've rather had someone better but I thought the Hastert vote would've carried him. Turnout clearly was not there for him by any measure.

I'd like to see him drop out to pick a less polarizing candidate but we all know that won't happen.

p.s. You think Foster will have to get all the chairs in Denny's old office reupholstered to get that huge dent out of them?


I wanted a reason to vote for the "milkman"
I was even going to send some money to help him.
However, I kept hearing all the b.s. and negative ads. I would get up to 9 pieces of campaign literature in my mailbox a day; Once again-b.s. about everything.
I read the Trib's editorials about the bending if not outright fabrications by the "milkman" in his campaigns. I have personally met the "milkman".
As Sen. Bentsen once said in a debate with Quail about his claim of a Kennedyesque political mantle, you can say the same about Oberweis- 'I knew Denny, I met Denny - and the "milkman" is no Hastert". Why was the Republican Party destroyed in Illinois?
Please dump the negative campaigning- it only hurts; I am giving my money to charity.


Jeff,

I couldn't take your bet because it was such a heavy Republican district, I figured Oberweis would squeak out a win just because of that.

The Republicans need to boot the Neocons out of their Party and re-group for a 2012 run, the GOP Bush/Cheney/Rove model is a clunker that is being rejected on a nation-wide basis.


Poor Old Republicans on your loss in the 14th District. Get used to it!

Do not like your candidates, did you loose Alan Keyes phone number?

Maybe you should try Jim Burkett again, part of the republican dream team in Dupage. After all how many times did they try to put innocents to death in the Nicarico killings? Burkett can not even prosecute a guilty man Dugan with his testimony and confession!

Only one in five voters came out? The voted for change. Oberweis is 0-4 and is Bush Business as usual. Another wake up call is coming in November! The Republicans did learn their lesson when they lost control of the House and Senate.


Foster's win spells trouble for GOP in House, Illinois.

The GOP???

This spells trouble for Hillary Clinton.

Nothing makes a rank and file Democrat Super Delegate sit up and bark woof faster than the glitter of proven influential outreach via association with a solid popular political leader, capable of building the Party through endorsements of candidates seeking seats in Congress and state legislatures across this country.


I think this election is less a condemnation of Jim Oberweis ("the whitest milk for the whitest people") than it is a benediction on the corruption of the Hastert years. Hastert soiled himself with his tacit approval of Mark Foley's pedophilia by sitting on the knowledge of Foley's abuse of boys for more than three years and not doing anything about it. Add to that Hastert's purchase of the lands that the government would then have to buy from him for his big Prairie Parkway project that he and Bush were in bed together over, and the stench from the Hastert camp could no longer be ignored. Additionally, his resignation after having been relieved of his Speakership smacks of the kid who, if he can't be the quarterback, takes his ball back and goes home. An endorsement from Hastert thus did little more for Oberweis than smear some of the pollution onto him as well. Good for Foster. He seems like a decent man. Of course, one never knows...


Also, John, I will always be more than willing to admit when one of my predictions was wrong. The Oberweis-Foster one was way wrong.

How about your prediction last year that McCain would never win the GOP nomination?


This is scary and I can't believe you people don't see it. How much hard earned money to we have to give to the government before you wake up. The democrats are responsible for RAISING taxes during a very weak point in our economy. We are in the worst real estate market in over 30 years and they think it is savvy to raise property taxes?!?! What do you think is going to happen the Dems add more spending....do you think taxes will go down?? That's right, they are going to have to raise taxes yet again. I hope you like working for peanuts, because that is what is going to happen if they Democrats take over. It is good to have a balance between the two parties. It is scary for either one to have all the power.


Good deal!
The "Milk Dude" and the Republicans go down in flames!
Rep. Bill Foster (D-IL 14)has a nice ring to it!
Now in my township(Plainfield) need we need to change our representatives in congress to Rep. Scott Harper (D-IL 13) and Rep. Debbie Halverson (D-IL 11).
Look out you Bush backers and all of you who claim to be "in touch" w/ the middle class...you lovers of the elephant!
Can you feel the heat!


I live in the 14th District and I have to tell you that Obama had very little effect on the contest. This had much more to do with rejecting Oberweis (kind of an "anyone but Oberweis" vote than supporting Obama. Obama was nothing to this race. Nothing!

Please. I've lived here all my life. Oberweis is a known gadfly.


I suppose “recovering Republican” would aptly describe me. I have pretty much picked Republican candidates all my life. … but I never knew how much I liked Bill Clinton, until I got more acquainted with George W Bush. (still, I thought Al Gore was very lame - which begs the question, “why can’t we get better candidates?”)
Now I am firmly in the Democratic camp. I see big problems facing this country.

Healthcare. Republicans like selling it to Democrats who like getting it. Any commodity where the burden of payment is separated from the demand, will have a pricing problem. It is also hugely inefficient. All that paper. Before we expand it, we had better figure out how to afford it. A good start was “permitting” the government to discuss prices. A better start would be permitting them to say “no” to over priced stuff and demanding they do it. Why does this require a change in the law?

$1.5 trillion dollars in Chinese hands. Teddy was fond of saying, “a billion here, a billion there, and before long it adds up to real money.” Well we had better figure out how to ration globalization without fueling inflation before our currency has gone the way of the Dodo bird. A good start would be, “You want to sell, we want to buy, but you are going to have to do a balanced bit of buying … or no trade.”

Executive pay. No one is worth a hundred plus million dollars. Shareholders need to be able to vote their own Board of Directors slate. Believe it or not, this requires a major change in the law?

Why are people whining about the Alternative Minimum Tax? Is a minimum tax of half the top rate for wealthy people that big of a problem? It suggests a lot of people are paying too little. This is a matter of equity, who is pulling the wagon and who it sitting on it. There are too many deductions, a no deduction lower marginal tax rate would be more fair and simple. Of course that might not attract a lot of Congressman, because special interests attract contributions.

The War on Terror. Why hasn’t anyone asked? Why do some people around the world hate us so badly that they are willing to kill themselves to make a point? The cure to this problem is not a military solution, it is a far deeper more complex problem. The USA cannot win a war of the mind without an improve conviction to principle.

Religion. The Republicans have become the party of faith. There are several problems with this. I am Catholic, but this is not a Christian nation … it is a very pluralistic society that functions well because we do no kill ourselves trying to make an agreement of policy. Faith and politics are not compatible issues. GW likes to say he prays to God. If he really does, one of them is not listening.

A more apt description of me is me is a fiscal conservative, social liberal. An independent minded voter, who worries that both parties are very similar and not capable of meaningful reform. But the Republican Party has completely abandoned the middle and what it stood for; no reasonable person can defend it. I will be voting opposition all they way.


Ya Think!!!!

As a Republican in this district I can tell you - Foster won because his opponent is a slime ball - dirty pool won him the primary and cost the republicans the seat - his primary opponent would have won the seat hands down - period. I know!!!!!


That's right, they are going to have to raise taxes yet again. I hope you like working for peanuts, because that is what is going to happen if they Democrats take over. It is good to have a balance between the two parties. It is scary for either one to have all the power.

Posted by: kristy | March 9, 2008 3:21 PM


Wow, you obviously haven't been paying attention for the last 7 years (typical Wingnut).

That $10 Trillion dollar debt that our country ran up between 2001-2006 was done under the guise of Republican "leadership".

You're right "kristy", the Repubs won't raise your taxes because under their "leadership" you won't have a job.


I am embarassed to live in Illinois with the cast of corrupt characters in Chicago's Democrat socialist party running everything.
Wakeup liberals the Democrats are going to raise taxes to the tune of $2.4 trillion dollars. HR5351 which passed by Nancy Pelosi's sick House raised taxes on oil companies by $18 billion dollars. This means in the middle of a recession and with oil prices almost $4 a gallon the new Democrat tax will raise gas prices still higher.
If you morons continue to push taxes in the same communist fashion you will bankrupt our nation. Change in our pockets is all we will have left.
Maybe after liberal Jackass Bill Wilson starts voting for this craziness for 7 months Oberweiss will win in November.
I don't care if you maniacs want to send voluntary checks to the U S Treasury but stop stealing and confiscating our money. We don't need more of your corrupt government. Chicago is so screwed up and Illinois is in free fall with Blago at the helm.Yet you and Stroger raised the sales tax to the top in America what a record.
It's time for a Tea Party and an outright revolt by citizen taxpayers. Add to this stupid Dickie Durbin and socialist Hussein Obama and look out! Jerry White, Springfield, IL


Kristy - I lived the notion that Republicans were the guardians of fiscal conservatism, but it just isn't so. In the last 50 years, the Republicans have been terribly irresponsible and the Democrats (what little time they have had) were far better managers of spending and taxes.


Jack...it seems you watch too much television and that is where you get all your thoughts. Way to throw out the Republican stereotypes Hollywood and the news media have fed you. Why don't you try making an original thought. Republicans are not all bad people. Many of them are extremely charitable. Not wanting to give everyone everything doesn't not mean someone is heartless. For instance, let's take a look at who needed a major "bailout" after a disaster in New Orleans which could have been prevented if it weren't for the local politician (which are Democrats). They were too busy lining their pockets with money to fix the levee. And who made the decision to turn down a company who was wiling to come down and clean up all the 'totaled' cars in the city....and pay the city $100 a car, which would have RAISED $5,000,000. The mayor, in his continued brilliance, turned that down and now it is going to COST the city $23 million. And now the people living across the United States have to foot, a least part, of that bill.
If you want to read about it go to: http://snopes.com/katrina/politics/carcrush.asp Not wanting to pay for that has nothing to do with a lack of compassion and everything to do with common sense.
I think maybe you should read a little more and become a bit more informed before you start spouting your rhetoric.


How about your prediction last year that McCain would never win the GOP nomination?

Posted by: Jeff | March 9, 2008 3:18 PM


Jeff,

I'll give that to you, no problem, but you have to remember that the Republican Prez candidates were a cesspool of ineptness, stupidity and stuffed suits.

Winnning the GOP nomination in 2008 is akin to a girl winning the best personality award at the Miss America contest.


Have a great Sunday everyone...


I live in the 14th district, and I voted for Foster. Foster is the first democrat I've ever voted for, and I feel a bit dirty for doing it. I would like to add some insight to this discussion about the real reason Foster won this election. The Republicans lost this one the same way they lost Fitzgerald's senate seat to Obama. It's because the candidate they floated was a three time loser who nobody liked. I was getting three negative campaign ads a day from the Oberweis campaign, which completely turned me off. It got to the point where I wanted to vote for anybody BUT Oberweis -- even a tax and spend, socialized medicine advocating, cut n' run Democrat like Foster. The state Republican Party lost this election through incompetence, not because we're all trending Democrat.


The Republicans hurt our country sooo much in last 7 years that all patriots of this country should dump this party resolutely. The Republicans know this, so they promote a " Democrat within Republican " to their candidate, but what a pity choice do they have? McCain is only at mercy of Kerry's silence for former seeking a joint ticket in 2004.


EarMark Kirk (IL-10) is next.


I have been paying attention, John. I agree with you, Bush's spending has been way out of control. He has behaved much more like a democrat than a republican. What I would like to see is more "Reagan-nomics". Since we aren't talking about our local economy anymore, why doing you google New Jersey. The governor there is cutting spending, because the taxes are so high, he can tax anymore. They are going to close many hospitals and schools. That was all due to Democrat leadership. Is that what you what you want to happen in our state, because that is where we are headed.


As was well articulated in the non-liberal US News & World Report mag: the Republican party has deserted its constituency---from fiscal matters (Bush never met a spending bill he wouldn't sign) through divisive rhetoric. Live by the latter sword and die by same.

You need a score card to discern between Republicans and Democrats. As Lou Dobbs ' address to the National Press Club summarized: the two parties are branding and marketing organizations.


Hey, look at it this way.
The republicans messed everything up and now it is up to the Democrats to clean up the mess.
Republicans had their chance and they blew it!
Case in point:
1) Our GROWING deficit.
2) Sonny Boy Bush’s Iraq war--one mention: just because the war is B.S., it does not mean I am against the finest soldiers in the world and what they sacrificed…so, please do not go there!
3) Health costs through the roof and the MILLIONS of American's w/o heath coverage...because it is not affordable
4) Economy out of control
5) A republican party totally out of touch with the average person…a party that feels the growing middle class should foot the cost of government and the richest 10% of Americans should get richer (w/o paying their share)
Just remember in November to vote Democratic!


I don't live in the district, but I think the posters who do are right when they say this was an anti-Oberweis vote. The "Obama boost" theory would be nice, but I think this was all about how bad a candidate Oberweis is. He has a real talent for making enemies in his own party and losing elections. His dishonest ad campaign was awful. I lost all respect for the Republican party when they became the party of torture, war, and deficit spending, so it isn't a big disappointment to me that they lost another one. I hope they keep running Oberweis.


They are going to close many hospitals and schools. That was all due to Democrat leadership. Is that what you what you want to happen in our state, because that is where we are headed.

Posted by: kristy | March 9, 2008 4:44 PM


"kristy",

How much more clear do we have to make it for you?

George Bush is and always has been a REPUBLICAN, he has a gigantic (R) in front of his name.

You voted for him in 2000 and 2004 and just because you don't think he has acted like a Republican should (whatever the H that means these days) doesn't mean you get a do-over.

The Republicans owned Congress and the White House between 2001-2006 and they blew it big time, they sold out their country for their own personal financial gain (Halliburton, Blackwater etc).

Now sit down, shut up and take your beatdown like a man...errrr...woman, or whatever the heck you are.


OBAMA 08!!!


It just shows that using hate and anger to generate votes is not going to work anymore. Not for the republitards that invented it, and not for any other parties or candidates that think abouot using it. Tell us what YOU are going to do to make us whole. Not what the opposition os doing wrong. Run on your strength. Not the opposition's weakness. Think negative campaigning will go away? I don't, but Overbite's massive failure sure underscores the problem. People are suffering, scared of losing everything to bu$hco's terrible economy, and are more concerned about keeping their house and family intact than terrorists or illegal immigrants.


kristy, sure I agree with you not all Republicans are bad of course. As matter of fact, Raul Paul is the one still keeps common sense and hold the party principle, even I don't agree with him in some major issues, he deserves respect. He should be the one nominated to save the party from disaster, but ROP nills this chance. I can fairly say that ROP only wants to cling with power no matter what their candidate in fact is a representative from a opponent party.


kristy, sure I agree with you not all Republicans are bad of course. As matter of fact, Raul Paul is the one still keeps common sense and hold the party principle, even I don't agree with him in some major issues, he deserves respect. He should be the one nominated to save the party from disaster, but ROP nills this chance. I can fairly say that ROP only wants to cling with power no matter what their candidate in fact is a representative from a opponent party.


"This is scary and I can't believe you people don't see it. How much hard earned money to we have to give to the government before you wake up. The democrats are responsible for RAISING taxes during a very weak point in our economy."

When will YOU fianlly see that while the Republicans were cutting taxes for the richest Americans, the price of EVERYTHING else went up for the rest of us! Do you see what a mess this country is in after 7 years of George Bush? Wake up and knock off the 'Democrats will raise our taxes' nonsense! With the economy tanking like it is, if we keep Repoublcans in office, we won't have jobs to PAY taxes in the first place! People who support the GOP today are either rich themselves or totally clueless!


14th Turnout-

'08 --98,998 - special
'06 197,144 - general
'04 279,208 - general

Question: How will the extra 179,210 votes break in November 2008.

Question: Will the Lauzen supporters stay home when they have a chance to vote for President and other offices?


My hat's off to the Voters that could no longer be fooled by Republican dairyman Jim Oberweis and his tax scare tactics.
This was a refreshing win for Illinois citizens ,tired of corrupt parties --red and blue.


Jerry:

You lose.


I left Illinois because the Democrats are running the state into the ground. Taxes and more taxes. Illinois is no different than Cali. and NY. Liberal maniacs. If you own a business in Illinois, move quickly. Leave the state to liberal Democrats and Republicans. Nothing in Illinois is worth saving. It sucks!


You know it is a sad day for the Republic party when folks like John W have to give up.

Many years ago, I too was a Republican. If huge losses finally start to sink in, perhaps they'll move back to the center and we'll all benefit. Until then, I'll happily cheer every Republic loss.


For all you yellow Dems---just wait--this will be an easy seat to win back in November. To all of you who want to talk about the economy---please explain how the Democrats who run everything here in Illinois have handled their bill paying duties? They haven't! State employee pensions--check--not, trimming state employee counts at a time that the tax rolls have diminished----NOT! Oh, and mass transit----took pork barrel negotiations and banking on dream revenues to reach fruition. Not impressive. Now the taxes are going up again. Wait until the jobs leave soon. I and my family will not be counted in this Blue state Come 2010--BANK ON THAT-- and before I go: DEATH to SOCIALISM!!!


Shorter Kristy:

I'm not smart enough to think for myself, so I'll parrot whatever Limpbaugh spews.


Plainfield 3 should check his/her facts:
1) Deficit has come down since the 2003 tax cuts have become effective despite the Iraq War. Cutting tax rates gives "rich" less incentive to hide income, evade taxes, so revenues have increased
2) Getting out of Iraq would give Al-Queda a base of operations,unless you don't care about fighting the war on terror.
3) Health costs are through the roof because this semi-socialist employer based system provides no incentive to bring them down, covers routine, less costly expenses which could be excluded from coverage, which would then bring the cost down, and charges 20 somethings the same as 50 somethings, even though 50 somethings use more medical services. This sector needs more free market competition to bring the cost down.
4) Economy out of control. Not specific enough to comment on.
5) The Middle Class is paying a smaller portion of income taxes since the 2003 tax cuts. Check the National Taxpayers Union web site and see for yourself if you don't believe me. The bottom two income quintiles pay very little income tax and this trend has continued under Bush. You say they pay more Social Security taxes? That's true, but these premiums are returned in the form of benefits when they retire. Bush tried to reform this system to avail due to lack of leadership in the Republican Congress.
The Republicans out of touch comment assumes that all Republicans are rich. The CEO of Exxon Mobil makes half of the income of George Clooney and other Hollywood types and you know which party most of these people support, so the Democrats have their share of people who are "out of touch"


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Thank goodnes the people of the 14th district elected Foster over Oberweis. Oberweis has now lost 4 races in Illinois. Get the message pal, you're messages of hate, intolerance, biggotry are not welcome here. Let's make this change permanent. Foster, please don't dissapoint us!

Posted by: Steven | March 9, 2008 2:22 PM "

I'm pretty sure he'll try for home coming queen next. Dude wants to have power over *something*


Jim Libby,

"Deficit has come down since the 2003 tax cuts have become effective"

False. Deficits ballooned to $418 billion before creeping back down toward $200 billion. The projection for 2009 is nearly $400 billion. Your argument that deficits are coming down (though no one pretends the budget will be balanced in the foreseeable future) is like saying that an airplane with a hole in its side is crashing to the ground but midway through the pace of free fall is altered by wind, slowing the force at which the jet crashes to the ground, and calling that "progress" all the way down.

Take a look at the charts that accompany this link. The nearly instantaneous surplus to deficit is in large part a direct result of the $1.3 trillion 2001 tax cut. http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/crisis/tradedeficit/tables/budgetdeficit.htm

"despite the Iraq War."

First off, the Iraq War was a non-obligatory cost, corporate welfare on steroids, and the stupidest and most expensive foreign policy blunder imaginable.

Second, we don't know the true cost of the war as it has been funded exclusively with supplementals. Even the Vietnam War was budgeted using the ordinary budgetary method after the first two years.

Finally, it is literally unprecedented to cut taxes at the beginning of a war (2003), and even more irresponsible and unprecedented to cut them continuously throughout the war.

"Cutting tax rates gives "rich" less incentive to hide income, evade taxes,"

Puhleeaze! This is pure, unadulterated garbage with no basis in reality. Perhaps you have some evidence to back up your assertion?

"so revenues have increased."

What exactly do you mean they've "increased?" Increased over what? Bush had a surplus when he took over and since his first tax cut has never had a deficit under $150 billion.

Even the Wall Street Journal admits that tax cuts don't even come close to paying for themselves.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/07/11/do-tax-cuts-pay-for-themselves/


Memo to Everything Looks Like a Nail:
The Fiscal Year 2007 budget deficit was $161 billion, down from $248 billion in 2006, the last year in your chart. This further proves my point. Since spending has definitely increased over this time, revenues have increased at a greater rate. The surplus you cite occured during the Tech Bubble of the late 90s, when the Clinton-Republican capital gains tax cut resulting in record revenues due to the investor class paying capital gains taxes during this period. Not to mention the Newt-led Congress forcing Clinton to cut spending. The bursting of this bubble cut this revenue stream, not to mention the slowdown resulting from 9/11. So the surplus you cite was temporary due to huge stock market gains which could not continue indefinitely. The Wall Street Journal article is almost two years old. Couldn't you find anything more recent?


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