Florida, Michigan revotes: Forget them

Now all that's left to do is for Howard to blink, demonstrate his complete lack of leadership abilities and seat the delegates based on the existing elections.

Thanks alot DNC. By not counting our Florida vote in the primary, you have made it an easy choice for us in the November general election!!!

McCain '08 is now the only choice you've left for Floridians.

Thanks alot DNC. By not counting our Florida vote in the primary, you have made it an easy choice for us in the November general election!!!

McCain '08 is now the only choice you've left for Floridians.

I guess the real Obama is coming out more and more. WHy he is stopping Michigan from revoting. He wont let them sit their delegates but he will not let them revote so I guess if you live in Michigan your vote doesnt count. Has 1 campaign ever been torn apart more in 1 week then Obamas has. He went from the favorite to win the Presidency to having very little chance of ever becoming president. In politics it is amazing how quickly fortunes can change in such a short time.

If Senator Obama had won Michigan and Florida he would be screaming blue murder to have those delegates seated--probably accusing the DNC of being racially motivated in denying them the right to represent their voters. As it is, and because he doesn't stand a cat's chance of winning Michigan and Florida, he is doing his best to ensure that neither the delegates are seated nor the primaries re-run. In this he is aided and abetted by Nancy Pelosi who owes her last 10 years of campaign financing to the good offices of Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker.

Penny Pritzker is Senator Obama's campaign finance chief.

If Senator Obama had won Michigan and Florida he would be screaming blue murder to have those delegates seated--probably accusing the DNC of being racially motivated in denying them the right to represent their voters. As it is, and because he doesn't stand a cat's chance of winning Michigan and Florida, he is doing his best to ensure that neither the delegates are seated nor the primaries re-run. In this he is aided and abetted by Nancy Pelosi who owes her last 10 years of campaign financing to the good offices of Chicago billionaire Penny Pritzker.

Penny Pritzker is Senator Obama's campaign finance chief.

Florida and Michigan need to learn how to follow rules. Break the rules, face the consequences. Stop whining, they knew this would happen and broke the rules anyway.

The American People (specifically Florida & Michigan who are angry with the outcome) are a joke! You create rules and get angry when people enforce them. This country deserves exactly what it gets. A failed economy, broken foreign relations, and an ever crippling moral stance. This country is full of a bunch of hypocrites and ran by one. If Obama doesn't have a chance of winning it is only because this country is not ready for someone who is as honest and morale and would rather elect politicians who lie and cheat to win!

Would Senator Obama feel as strongly about not seating the FL and MI delegates or re-running the disputed primaries if he had won them or stood a cat's chance of winning them? Would Nancy Pelosi be as adamant in denying the voters of two of the Nation's largest states their rightful voice at the Democratic convention if she did not owe the financing of her campaigns to Penny Pritzker, the Chicago billionaire who is Senator Obama's finance chief?

Both the Senator and the Speaker are quite happy to disenfranchise the Democratic voters of FL and MI. Remarkable how money talks.

The appeals court dismissed the appeal on the basis that the plaintiff did not suffer any particular harm and had no standing. However, since membership in the Democratic National Party, --a private organization, is voluntary, like all other organizations, members agree to abide by the rules and decisions of the higher-ups. So I'm not sure where they can go with this. I haven't thought it out that far...

The Obama campaign's not wild about the Clinton-supported plan for a Michigan do-over for pretty obvious reasons. Everyone who voted for Clinton would get to vote again, but those Obama supporters who took the DNC and both campaigns at their word, and voted in the Republican primary instead, are excluded.

That's not a "do-over" -- that's a "do-my-side-over-your-side-not-so-much." A real do-over, where everyone gets to start fresh, would have found much more support, but the Clinton camp members that proposed the half-do-over didn't want a fair fight, they wanted an easy win.

No surprise that they didn't get support for it, but it has nothing to do with disenfranchising Michiganders, and everything to do with trying to skew the results.

In what bizarro world is this the fault of the DNC?

Florida and Michigan made the decision to violate agreed on party rules and knew of the punishment in advance.

There is more at stake than this one election. Think it through.

What happens next election when 5-6 states who support 'canidate x' decide to stack thier primaries early to build momentum for their canidate?

I want to know why voters are not suing the real people responsible? Florida and Michigan representatives.

How come they havn't been fired?

FL and MI broke the DNC rules. Again FL and MI broke the DNC rules by moving their primary dates. Both states were aware of the consequences but they moved ahead anyway. Now one more time with me FL and MI broke the DNC rules. The reason MI won't get a revote because their law states that republicans and independents won't be allow to vote again.

Stop trying to blame Obama for Michigan and Flordia. Neither of the candidates had anything to do with their loss of delegates. Their elected officals made the choice fully aware of the reprocusions of their choice. Because of their decisions any vote in these states will not reflect the accurate will of the people. This is the reason why they should not be allowed a vote in the primary. In the general election they can make their voices heard. The general election is where their vote can really matter.

Please people open your eyes and see these candidates for who they are and what they stand for. Pay attention to their words and their actions.

If I was going to put the three big candidates in order of whom has kept their message the most clear and consistent I would list the following:

Obama
McCain
Clinton

Stop trying to blame Obama for Michigan and Flordia. Neither of the candidates had anything to do with their loss of delegates. Their elected officals made the choice fully aware of the reprocusions of their choice. Because of their decisions any vote in these states will not reflect the accurate will of the people. This is the reason why they should not be allowed a vote in the primary. In the general election they can make their voices heard. The general election is where their vote can really matter.

Please people open your eyes and see these candidates for who they are and what they stand for. Pay attention to their words and their actions.

If I was going to put the three big candidates in order of whom has kept their message the most clear and consistent I would list the following:

Obama
McCain
Clinton

Some of you must not keep up with current events!!! Or else you want to blame Senator Obama for EVERYTHING!!! HE HAS CONSISTENTLY SAID THAT HE WOULD ABIDE BY THE DNC RULES AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DONE!!! FACE THE FACTS: HILLARY IS THE ONE WHO WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES WHEN IT'S TO HER BENEFIT!!!

The DNC could choose to honor Florida's votes. Clinton did not campaign there although she did hold a fund raiser. Obama ran a national television add in Florida. In Michigan they need to re vote because Obama was not on the ballet. If Clinton supporters want to pay for a primary we should let them. My vote is not for sale. Americans will vote their conscience. Obama with his vast resources could choose to let the people the of Michigan have their say. He could help cover the cost with his campaign money if he wanted to. Equal rights should mean having an equal right for everyones vote to count. This was taken away from the people of Florida and Michigan. It is not the residents of either of these states fault that the people they voted into office chose to move their date. Politicians need to place what is best for the American public over what is best for themselves. The only way to do this is to let every American's vote count. This does not mean we should divide the delegates. That is just another way of telling the people that their vote is meaningless. Each vote needs to count for the intended party. Obama should be ashamed of suggesting to do anything less than give each American a vote that counts.

Thanks alot DNC. By not counting our Florida vote in the primary, you have made it an easy choice for us in the November general election!!!

McCain '08 is now the only choice you've left for Floridians.

Posted by: Florida Independent | March 21, 2008 3:45 PM

Don't let the door hit ya. Next time you want to make your state more important than the others, stick with what you agree to. Florida has turned into an election joke.

M C,

Right you are. They, MI and FLA made their bed, now they should lay in it.

This is just one more reason for having a 'national primary election day'.

New Hampshire also broke the rules, moving its primary up. But NH wasn't punished.

Why is that, do you think?

"Thanks alot DNC. By not counting our Florida vote in the primary, you have made it an easy choice for us in the November general election!!!

McCain '08 is now the only choice you've left for Floridians.
Posted by: Florida Independent | March 21, 2008 3:57 PM"

Fool...8 more years of Bush, and it will be your fault.

Other wiser people; These so called undecided and independents are the problem. They have no clue what they believe and they will cut off somebody else's nose to spite some third parties face.

I think we live in the United States of America, not except for Florida and Michigan. This has become a joke and the DNC should be ashame for not letting these votes count. This is beginning to look like something that some third country would do to their people. It should never happen in the United States. This is a sad day for our country!

I think Richardson waited until now when the re-vote is out of the question to endorse OBama because it is a safer endorcement now that people can't vote for the nominee they want.

This election is a good argument to get rid of the 2 party system, as it is anything other than democratic.

It's funny how people play the rule game when it is expedient.

Thank goodness it is finally over. What Hillary had been pushing for is something akin to retrospectivity in law which is against the rule of law. She was once qualified as a lawyer so one would expect her to know but, no, Hillary dosn't play by rules. Not her.

You Clinton supporters who want to blame Obama for the FL & MI votes seem to have an issue with the truth...much like your candidate concerning NAFTA and her "experience"..or proven lack there of.
YOUR candidate Hillary Clinton signed a waiver to allow the voters to be disenfranchised. Period. BUT now that she needs tose votes she, and you, want to scream foul.
YOur own elected officals made the call with full knowledge of what would occur. If they did not learn what happens when you don't follow the rules in kindergarden then perhaps they are not fit to hold public office.
For those who would blame Omaba for following the rules and instead will vote outside the party in anger? How immature of you and it shows that the party matters no more to you than it does your candidate.

"I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina..."

Clinton participated in Michigan while others did not. Uncommitted got 44% for goodness sakes.

Obama will abide by what occurs. But get real; this is politics also. He has a 2 score lead with time running out and you want him to PAY to put more time on the clock. He's not stupid and if he were to cave to this moaning he doesn't deserve the title "commander".

Michigan and Florida will be seated but not based on the past meaningless (for delegate purposes)results. Obama does not control the legislature of Michigan anymore than Clintons sugar daddies willing to pay for it do. Thay maade the problem worse as it appeared so improper as to send them running from a Clinton bought process.

Obama is not even worried about the results of a revote only the tipping potential of the "disenfranchised" superdelegates in the states. YAWN

This is only the PRIMARY we're talking about here people. It really is **the party itself** that gets to choose the candidate. Think about the whole SUPERDELEGATE system in place. For all you people living in FL or MI who are talking shit about Obama, I do empathize with you because your state leadership let you down, BUT QUIT BLAMING OBAMA FOR PLAYING BY THE RULES - HE DIDN'T CREATE THEM!!! Don't you see that Clinton is a true hypocrit here? For two huge reasons 1) She supported the superdelegate system more than anyone (of course because she thought it would help her chances), and that system gives very special treatment NOT to the voting public but to a few important politicians. 2) She originally agreed to the "rules" (that she then broke anyway!) and didn't raise a stink about it until it became clear that she might have something to gain personally from a revote. If she really cared about the voters of MI & FL, she should not have agreed to the rules and put up a stink way back when. SHE DIDN'T.

As I said, I do have empathy for your situation FL & MI voters, but its not fair to make Obama the scapegoat for what your representatives did in trying to move up the dates. I hope you think clearly about this, and get those people who made these dumb decisions for you OUT OF OFFICE. In the meantime, come fall - VOTE OBAMA 08'

The trouble is the decision to break the DNC rules was made by the state governments, but the voters are the ones who suffer. The DNC should have done whatever it could for the revote to happen, if only to keep from disenfranchising the voters in these states. It doesn't seem like they did...
Unfortunately Obama fought against the voters (for understandable reasons, but not noble ones). When he gets the noination because of it, he probably will have lost the electoral votes of these two states, and therefore the Presidency. What an exciting new way for the Deocratic Party to screw up another election.

There is a big grassroots movement happening in Florida and michigan to have the people fund a revote at http://floridamichiganrevote.com/ it is a new sit getting a lot of buzz. It is time for one voice one fight one win.