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Posted March 5, 2008 8:34 AM
The Swamp

by Frank James

Sen. Hillary Clinton this morning evidently indicated she was open to the possibility of what many Democrats have called a dream ticket, in which she and her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, run together, she presumably heading the ticket.

She made her comments on CBS News' "Early Show," one of the several morning shows she did today as she took a victory lap following her wins in the Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island primaries.

This is how the Associated Press reported what she said:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton is hinting at the possibility of sharing the Democratic presidential ticket with Barack Obama, but says voters still have to decide the party nominee.

Clinton says: "That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Obama is playing down his losses Tuesday in three out of four primaries, including the battlegrounds of Texas and Ohio. He stresses that he is still ahead of Clinton in the delegate count.

In appearances on the morning talk shows, both Democrats say they have the credentials to go head to head with Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain.

The two rivals are very close on most of the major issues so this wouldn't be an oil and water mix, at least on that score.

Despite all the heated rhetoric and the hostility of the warring political camps, such a match wouldn't be the first time two such rivals buried the hatchet for the sake of party unity.

The best most recent example of this would be the ticket shared in 1980 by Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, the latter man having famously ridiculed the former's supply-side economic ideas as "voodoo economics."

In 1960, there wasn't a lot of love lost between the John F. Kennedy people and the Lyndon B. Johnson either. But they made it work.

So it wouldn't be unprecedented. And it would certainly hold out the chance of unifying what could otherwise be a very divided party.

One possible problem and it's not insignificant. Clinton has been campaigning for the better part of a year on the premise that she's got to the experience to be president and Obama doesn't.

After undermining Obama's experience and saying he doesn't measure up for the job, how could she then turn around and choose him as her veep who would be only a heartbeat away from the Oval Office? That's a pivot that would be hard for even Michael Jordan in his prime to pull off.

Then there's the elephant in the room, or better yet, the Big Dawg in the room. What would a White House with a President Hillary Clinton, a former President Bill Clinton and a Vice President Barack Obama look like? How would it work? Could it work?

This would truly be a dream ticket, especially for the Washington media.

Imagine the kinds of stories about policy and personality clashes that would emanate from such a White House. Imagine the leaks as the Obama people tried to advance their man and the Clinton people tried to put him back in his place.

Imagine a high-wattage politician like Obama upstaging the lesser wattage Clinton.

We're talking a reality TV show that could make "Survivor" look tame. We're talking journalistic nirvana.

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GO HILLARY!!!!!

HILLARY ALL THE WAY!!!!

HILLARY!! HILLARY!! HILLARY!!


Dream Ticket?!? Unfortunately, I don't believe either Clinton or Obama are really qualified for the job... and whoever wins will need to pick a running mate with some experience. And frankly, I simply don't trust Hillary and I won't vote for any ticket that has the name Clinton or Bush on it; we will be the laughing stock of the world if our democracy "elects" a Bush, a Clinton, another Bush, then another Clinton.

My dream ticket would look more like Richardson/ Biden or maybe Gore/ Richardson... and since it's going to come down to a brokered convention in August who knows who we'll get, but it doesn't look like it's going to be up to the voters anymore.


I wouldn't mind Obama as President with Hillary as VP. But SHE'S done nothing but attack Obama and point out how inept she thinks he is. And then she'd consider making him her running mate?

Maybe she doesn't think she can pull it off without him.


It would be a dream ticket for McCain. The democratic primary has created division that would not be bridged by this Clinton trickery.


So even if Hillary doesn't win, she will prostitute herself to get into office at any cost and no matter how personally compromising that may be. Um, is that what this country really wants in a leader...?


"I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

And this week, only Ohio counts.

I don't see the benefit of having them on the same ticket, except as a "Garsh, other side, your guy/gal gets to ride along too, so won't you come along?" (In Obama's case this has to go with "even though he won based on the minor matter of winning elections, but those don't count in Hillaryland" so I don't see it working.)

Each candidate would benefit from a veep with greater executive experience. And since I don't think we're talking about a Cheney veephood, each would benefit, in terms of advancing the issues they care about, from staying in the Senate over being the other's funeral-goer. (Also consider, Clinton doesn't think Obama's qualified to do anything, so what would he get to do as veep? And, looking at the specter of Al Gore, who wants to be offered the "coattails" of the next round of Clinton scandals?)


The Clinton's are just spinning right now. From the Convention-style celebration last night (confetti, balloons) to comments like the one in this AP report (that she would share HER ticket with Obama).

If she can spin these primary victories and reshape the conversation, then it will distract the electorate from the reality: the country is earning for change (as evidenced by the rise of Obama and by the Republicans sending in The Maverick).


I'd go for the Dream Ticket in either combination, and I think many democrats would agree.


Don't forget that Edwards is still out there waiting. I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up as Hill's veep, should she get the nomination.


Hillary / Obama, or Obama / Hillary, either way -- leads to a landslide Dem win, IMO.


Well, Hillary will swamp Obama in Pennsylvania and finish him off with a 3 to 1 victory in Puerto Rico..the last primary. If he wont concede them, revotes in Florida and Michigan will seal the deal and keep him from even being the vice presidential nominee.

Gerald Schwartz
Former Deputy Chairman
Democratic Midwest Conference


Lets not forget that Barack's significant delegate lead was barely affected by what happened last night. It is still almost impossible for HC to catch up. The voters should decide who the nominee is- not strongarm political tactics!
Obama 08!


Go Hillary


Obama is still ahead of the race and he can still get the nomination.
I've lost complete respect for Hillary and Bill Clinton by their actions in this campaign. She will win at all costs and she will stoop real low with racism, and ageism. I'll vote Nader if she gets the nomination and I'll become an independent. Obama is the only reason why I'm staying in the party because he offers unity for the United States.


If Hillary chooses Obama as her running mate he will get the on-the-job training he so desperately needs. Hillary, the experienced professional of 35 years, would be the one to choose all the proven leaders in her cabinet and staff. She is way ahead of Obama in knowing whom to choose. At least half of Bush's troubles can be traced to those chosen for his cabinet and staff. Hillary wins here, hands down. Hillary is a strong, and magnanimous woman who would make Obama's role meaningful. On the other hand, I am sure Obama would not choose her to be his vice-president.


Last week, I attended a business meeting that was made up of representatives from nations in Europe, Asia, the Americas, Africa, and Australia. After breaking the ice about Barack Obama (someone they all seemed to adore), these folks could not understand why a country like the US could want Hillary Clinton.

This group mentioned that the US fought for independence from a monarchy, and thought of itself as a land of the free and an open society. Yet, we are addicted to the Bush-Clinton families, especially when better choices are available. I was not able to give a good answer, other than the US voters are not the brightest sometimes (they all agreed on that).

Our country is so stuck on the politically correct divisions, familiar names, and slick advertising that we have lost our way. I agree with Bruce that the best choices are long gone: Richardson, Biden, Gore, etc. I think the Republicans have a solid choice in McCain. Obama is impressive, but would be a bit of a risk.

If we MUST elect a woman, why not a woman with real experience as a leader like Nancy Pelosi, the Governor of Kansas, or someone who has earned it?

If Hillary is the choice, even with Obama as her VP, McCain gets my vote. Too many Americans died to end aristocracy, and no matter what it is called, another Bush-Clinton White House is too depressing to contemplate.


Somebody tell me that Hillary didn't say that people finally discovered she was human. I heard her say that. After 35 years of "experience" people are finally discovering she is human? What a revelation!


That would be a historic moment and an absolute "Dream Ticket"!!!


I believe Hillary would only consider this "option" if she won the nomination. If Obama wins I doubt she would take second seat to him.


What a joke. Whoever would be on top of the ticket, one has only to recall the old adage of "Beware the enemy at your back." Remember, the veep is always just a heartbeat away from the presidency. Mentioning Johnson and Kennedy is not a comforting analogy. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.


dream ticket? maybe. saw an interesting video on how they could agree to share power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5gN_Or3DdU


This election is a vote for or against the war. Although it would be nice to have a decision made already, I would like to see the 2 candidates stop the same old campaign rhetoric against each other, and turn it towards McBush. Lets see who can take the best shots at this continuation of the Bush administration.


This country is not as open minded as you think Swamp. When it is all said and done, MCcain will win only because he is a white man. That is it. Beat around the Bushes all you want. This is America who's fooling who? People don't care if the Republicans send the remaining of our jobs to our former enemies: China, South Korea, Vietnam-we give them a lot of trade and buy goods they make. We give Israel 30 billion a year; yet, Chicago's mass transit is 60 years old. Our roads, bridges, infrastructure is archaic. We are a society with working poor who can't afford basic health care. Republicans call National Health Care Socialism or something Communist Russia would have; yet, Canada and France has free health care. We have more young people committing crimes and housed in dangerous, prisons not fit to house even wild animals; yet, we are afraid of change. The American people will forget about Bushes poor performance of 8 years which are impeachable years, and they will feel it is better to stick with a sure thing, a 72 year old white guy name McCain, who by Nature is a War Hawk, and will continue to keep the Iraqi war going and who will invade Iran and send troops in to war with Venezula to show them, America is the boss like it was in the 40's and Britian and American still rule the natives on the planet. Cuba will continue to suffer. The children in Haiti will continue to eat dirt.


A Clinton/Obama ticket or visa-versa would be excellant! Either way, we move America forward while giving our country back to US and would show the world that we are ready for a truly remarkable change.


Though I'm partial to Obama, I like Clinton too. So the two of them as running mates...I like the idea.


To those that say Obama is ahead in the delegate count this morning ahead of Clinton one point is left out...those delegates which Clinton has won in Michigan and Florida.
Their voices will be heard and their votes will be counted..so, when you argue about who has how many delegates do not disregard those numbers.
Obama being ahead in delegates at this juncture is just not a factual argument.
Clinton/ Obama ticket..works for me.


Hillary has won the big states that are needed in general election. Obama has won little states he may have won more states but the delegates count between them is not that far off. Now that the American people are relly seeing Obama true picture as a calculating and cunning politician. Many don't like what the see, The candidate of hope and change is just like any other Washington status Que politician.


The story of a Clinton - Obama ticket for make a good story for a while, but it probably not happen. But you never know. Remember the old saying
that "politics make strange bedfellows."


Obama can barely contain his arrogance and smugness.

These are not the qualities of a uniter or a vice president.


I think it's good to have this choice of the two, why do we have to decide right now...leave it up to the people..why rush it.
This is great politics....McCain doesn't have a chance..who wants another Bush for four more years..good grief


I would also like a river of chocolate and a big vault of gold and cash (like Scrooge McDuck's!) while we're visiting fantasy land.

Here's the news, Dems, Hillary will NEVER agree to be Obama's VP. Never. She feels she's ready to be president and he's not. And she feels she's waited her turn and knows that since she's in her '50s it won't come again.

As for Obama being Hill's VP? Highly doubtful. Let's remember, first off, that he's been acting prickly ever since Hillary started going after him with her ads, like the 3AM call ad. If he doesn't loathe Hillary he certainly doesn't respect her. Last week, he was having Dick Turbin go on the Sunday talk shows and say Hillary should drop out.

What could Obama accomplish as Clinton's VP? Remember how waiting patiently for his turn while Bill and Hillary ran the administration worked out for Al Gore? And with Bill around would he EVER be able to do anything at all as VP?

He'd be better off staying in the Senate and working on actual legislation and maybe even doing something for the first time in his life for the voters of Illinois. A majority senator has much more to do in the public eye than the vice president when first man is Bill Clinton.

Also, let's remember that the VP slot is highly tied to electoral politics. Do any of you honestly think that two arch liberals from the far North whose policy positions can't be separated by a playing card are the key to the democrats winning ANY state in the south? Like they didn't in 2004? Remember, one was born in Illinois and the other brings the rich electoral bounty of... Hawaii.

Hey, I hope they do it. I'd love to see Arkansas go against Clinton and Obama try to rally the troops in Mississippi against Haley Barbour. That ought to be good for a few laughs.


I would be happy to see them put aside the political mud slinging and make it work as a team. The real question is this - Is the United States ready for a woman and a black man to hold the two top spots in our government ? Are we mature enough to handle it, or will there be temper tantrums and crying because people are still holding on to their prejudices ? I personally think it is long overdue, and God knows it has to be better than Senator McNasty and whoever his flunky running mate is.


She's won three primaries to Obama's 12 since Super Tuesday and is now talking about putting him on her ticket?

Is that arrogance, spin, or a twisted strategy? The people of Ohio aren't THAT important.

Any ticket with Clinton anywhere on it sends me to the Libertarian candidate, or even, God forbid, Ralph Nader. If McCain weren't pro-war, I'd vote for him.

P.S. -- Frances, have you actually counted up her 35 years of experience, or are you just eating up what the media feeds you? For example, being first lady doesn't count...in Arkansas or DC. That's 10+ years right there.


I would LOVE Clinton/Obama. Not sure she'd go for the No. 2 spot, if she doesn't win the nomination. Edwards has said before he wouldn't run as VP again. But who knows. He was my No 1 choice and I was disappointed when he dropped out.


It's only a dream ticket for the Republicans.

Obama/Biden makes a lot more sense.


Clintons have fleeced the office more than any other President in History.
Bill is still selling himself out to the highest bidder.
The fact the Texas voted for her should be an eye opener for everyone.
She is as corrupt as they come and is beating up Obama with lies.
He billed 4 hours to a charity that had ties with Tony R. Hilary new this but still accused him of working for a slum landlord.
This is coming form a women who billed thousand of hours to Wal-mart while working on contracts with China. These Hillary contracts did cost us American jobs by the hundreds of thousands.
Too bad Obama didn't call her on it right away.
Then we get Hillary trying to scare us with her fear commercials.
Did you learn that from Bush?
Next we get fake reports of Obama talking to the Canadians.
Hilary Clinton is a liar who will say anything.
The republicans want her to win because they know she cannot beat them.
Wake up America the Clintons continue to sell us out every day.
Look at how Bill is schlepping around the world as a salesman for hire.
The Clintons where not rich until they got to Washington DC.
The Clintons lost the election for Gore (the Monica affair still lingers) do you think she stands a chance against McCain? The Republicans do not think so and neither do I.


If Hillary chooses Obama as her running mate he will get the on-the-job training he so desperately needs. Hillary, the experienced professional of 35 years, would be the one to choose all the proven leaders in her cabinet and staff. She is way ahead of Obama in knowing whom to choose. At least half of Bush's troubles can be traced to those chosen for his cabinet and staff. Hillary wins here, hands down. Hillary is a strong, and magnanimous woman who would make Obama's role meaningful. On the other hand, I am sure Obama would not choose her to be his vice-president.

Posted by: Frances Lysaught | March 5, 2008 9:10 AM

Frances comments like yours and this person er bot...

"GO HILLARY!!!!!

HILLARY ALL THE WAY!!!!

HILLARY!! HILLARY!! HILLARY!!?

Posted by: Hillary All the Way!!!! | March 5, 2008 8:48 AM

O.K. slappy Hillary-bot we got it. Jesus H Christ, enough with the cheerling. This isn't highschool!!!

Frances comments like yours only point out how misinformed, or down right stupid the average Hillary supporter is. First let me say your comment is ridiculous. Secondly the reason these two could be stuck with each other,is because the race is so SO DIVISIVE. The two running on the same ticket may be necessary in order to keep both of their constituencies in tow. There is a very real chance that one, or the others supporters could abandon ship and bolt to John McCain who is a fairly moderate republican other that his stance on the war. In short bone up on your poilitics. I quote The Swamp "The best most recent example of this would be the ticket shared in 1980 by Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, the latter man having famously ridiculed the former's supply-side economic ideas as "voodoo economics."

"In 1960, there wasn't a lot of love lost between the John F. Kennedy people and the Lyndon B. Johnson either. But they made it work."

Think about it and get used to the idea Frances.

Better start find some positive things to say about Mr Obama because he will be a big part of democratic politics, one way or the other. In other words, HILLARY CHEERLEADERS GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR A%S!!!


Maybe Hillary could let Bill be her vp . And Monica could be the second lady...LOL


The only dream team I can see is Obama/Edwards


Hillary promised a wider war in Afganistan in her speech last night.

We will need hundreds of thousands of troops in any attempt to fully invade Afganistan.

This is Lyndon
Johnson and the Vietnam War all over again. Just where does she intend to get the troops necessary to fight HER WAR in the mountains of Afganistan? If hillary really believes that the members of NATO will join our troops in Afganistan she is delusional. Europe has no intention of getting involved in the Middle East, contribute any money to a wider war in the Middle East and once again our nation will find itself fighting alone and paying the bills.

More of the usual Washington insider B/S! Another shot at an ecconomy based on the Military Industrial Complex. Young american men and women finding themselves in the military to defend corporate interests overseas.

Get ready to build a new Memorial War because Afganistan will be a larger quagmire than Iraq.

You will also see the repeal of the Bush tax cuts.
An extension of the alternative Minimum Tax.
A larger Capital Gains tax.
Amnesty II with family re-unification bringing an estimated 150 to 200 million South Americans and the poor of Mexico into this nation.

Open borders.

Most of all you will see a new tax checkoff box on your paycheck to pay for her GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PLAN! You thought the social secuity tax was high. Well you haven't seen anything yet. They intend to take over 15% of the Amereican ecconomy by nationalizing Health Care which is nothing more than an attempt to take over 15% of the means of production in this nation. So kiss your health insurance paid by your employer goodbye. Have no doubt she intends to cover non tax paying "guestworkers" under her National Health Care Plan. Government run Health Care will destroy this nations private Health Care system put hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans on the unemployment line as they see their jobs disappear and given to federal workers in the largest expansion of the federal government in history.

hillary also intends to give illegal immigrants the Right to Vote.

Socialism here we come.

As to her new trial ballon of "graciously letting" Barack Obama have the VP slot once again Black Americans will find themselves in the back of the bus as Obama is quickly assigned to the old roll of being a VP that only attends foreign funerals and other foreign social occassions.

Bill will be non elected VP.

Howard Dean announced last night that the DNC WILL NOT change the rules in mid stream and allow a second vote in Florida and Michigan. Howard Dean also stated the DNC will not seat the Florida and Michigan delegates voted on in non contested primaries that ALL candidates including the Clintons agreed would not count.

Now Hillary and her Campaign Managers are telling the DNC that it has no power under her Socialist agenda and that there will be a second Florida and Michigan primary.

This is unbelievable. Washington insiders called Super Delegates under the guise of P/C will be choosing the democratic candidate in smoke filled back rooms.

The Clintons are nullifying democracy and our Constitutional Right to Vote. Washington politicans are attempting to establish themselves as the new Proletariat.

I cannot believe they are going to allow her to steal Obama's nomination at the convention under the guise of the Super Delegates and nullify the entire primary system.

When will Americans wake up!


I'm surprised all the papers this morning made it look like Hillary's won something.

She needed 22 touchdowns to win. She kicked a field goal.


Right! don't hold your breath Hilly. Yeah I'm sure You're just what Obama would want for a VP. And while he's at it he can paint a great big bullseye on his back. Oh well, I guess this nonsense has to drag on for yet ANOTHER month or two. News flash: You're not ENTITLED to be president just because you're Hilly, and you're not GONNA be. No matter WHAT you do, how much you scheme, and plot, and connive, and backbite, and undermine, and fear monger. It's NOT GONNA HAPPEN! so give it up already.


She woke up and realized that she has alienated the monlithic African American vote by playing the race card. And she wants them back or the dems lose. If they have any pride they will abandon her rather than being bought off. What a joke Obama wins and gets to carry Hillary's briefcase. We all know that Bill will be the VP in fact if not name.


I understand you're excited, Mr James, but mightn't the use of "put him back in his place" regarding Obama be a rather unfortunate choice of words?

You're free, of course, to introduce a correction!

["Imagine the leaks as the Obama people tried to advance their man and the Clinton people tried to put him back in his place."]


I think the problem with Clinton as a VP is that she will bring out the voters in record numbers and energize them as never before, unfortunately they will all be republicans.

Obama is still in the lead and needs to choose a VP with strong foreign policy experience and impeccable credentials.

Experience and integrity are two things he won't find in Hillary. She is the politics of the past and he is about the future. With Obama's vision and inspiration and a strong prgmatic VP you have the real dream ticket.

All McCain needs to do is replay Hillary's red phone ad with him answering the phone and she is dead in the water.


Do a reality show on this if they get into the White House. Bill the husband, Hillary the Prez, and Obama the water boy, heh.


Apparently, Dems fail to realize that Hillary can't beat McCain but Obama can. If you want a Democrat in the Oval Office, select one that can actually get there!

I'm a hardcore Republican and I know for certain that McCain will get his clock cleaned against Obama.


Heaven help us...


Dream ticket?

Sounds more like a nightmare to me!

A true dream ticket for this country would be the truly American leadership of Alan Keyes and Sam Brownback.

www.alankeyes.com


hillary clinton makes my skin crawl


Dream ticket schream ticket. Both of these fools will get McCrushed once they start talking about policy. Both Hil and Obam support:
1) Higher taxes
2) Redistribution of wealth
3) Crushing expansion of entitlements
4) Weakened military.
5) Catering to dictators.

shall I go on? Sure why not:
6) McCain will show that silly 3am commercial and his experience will win the day.
7) National security will be an important issue and McCain will be the front runner.
8) The economy will be an important isssue and McCain will be the front runner. How do you improve the economy by raising taxes??


I agree with America First....Most of us espically black are voting for Barak because we will like to see change...Most blackmen understand that Females needs to be uplifted from her state...

We all know that a Female will be great in the "WHITE-HOUSE"...the problem is the name it speaks for it self...The white house should be call the house of government or something like that...

If Barak does not win and Hillary wins if I was Barak
I will not run for VP we've been at the VP position in America for over 400 years...

Another thing have you looked at McCain audience where are the Blacks?...that should tell you that McCain will do nothing...

Blacks if Barak loses... turn your back on America....And look inward.


Hillary Clinton must be stopped. Her ego is out of control. We don't need another egomaniac in Washington. We need Obama!


GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hillary is doing whatever it takes to win, even if it weakens the party.

If Obama gets the nomination, Hillary's shortsighted attacks will be recycled and used against him.

Well, if you can't win on the issues and crying no longer works, just throw as many negatives at your opponent as you can.

Hillary was asked about the "Obama is a muslim" smear campaign on 60 mintues and she wouldn't disavow it, even though the interviewer gave her plenty of chances to state that it's wrong and untrue.


It is mighty neighborly of clinton to talk about being on a dream team when she is behind in the pledged delegate count. But that is what the clintons do - spin. Go Obama. It is time our country put a real person in the office instead of someone from the same old failed washington crew like clinton or mccain.


Obama would be a fool to take the VP spot on a Hillary ticket. Everyone knows that Bill would be the Dick Cheney of a Hillary presidency.

And I can't see Hillary ever swallowing her ego enough to be Obama's VP.


"Last week, I attended a business meeting that was made up of representatives from nations in Europe, Asia, the Americas, Africa, and Australia. After breaking the ice about Barack Obama (someone they all seemed to adore), these folks could not understand why a country like the US could want Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Liz | March 5, 2008 9:11 AM "

LIZ- please forward your comment to the Democratic Party HQ. TRUE Democrats want Obama


I've previously given this some thought and think it's an excellent idea. However, I don't necessarily believe the candidates running would agree? I like the idea for many reasons, but primarily because it is a method to establish all the change that's needed, without being so concerned with the time frame allowed by law for the number of terms & length. Of course, should they fail the American people... We do start from scratch again... don't we?


Can you add Supreme Court Justice Michelle Obama and William Jefferson Clinton as either Secretary of State or another SCJ? Then Al Gore as Secretary of the Environment?


Apparently, Dems fail to realize that Hillary can't beat McCain but Obama can. If you want a Democrat in the Oval Office, select one that can actually get there!

I'm a hardcore Republican and I know for certain that McCain will get his clock cleaned against Obama.


I believe that if all of the media hype about the significance of these last few states for each candidate, escpecially Hillary, didn't occur that the results of the votes would not be the same as they are on this morning. Hoewever, may the best man/woman win and may we all pray for the future leadership of our country.


as long as it not a republican


Let's be clear. Hillary is very smart. She knows she couldn't get elected without Obama. The question is will she be smart enough to accept the VP if Obama offers?


"This would truly be a dream ticket, especially for the Washington media.

Imagine the kinds of stories about policy and personality clashes that would emanate from such a White House. Imagine the leaks as the Obama people tried to advance their man and the Clinton people tried to put him back in his place.

Imagine a high-wattage politician like Obama upstaging the lesser wattage Clinton.

We're talking a reality TV show that could make 'Survivor' look tame. We're talking journalistic nirvana."

Shame on you Tribune! You have just admitted you have no journalistic integrity and that you would rather report on insignificant fluff than on things that are important.


Citizens of this country couldn't care less about the trash the media likes to report on, we care about how the next president impacts on our daily lives and livelihood. Why is that so hard for you media types to wrap your heads around? Why don't you realize that the furthest thing from reality is reality TV?


Wow...so Obama still has the lead, but Hillary is smarmy enough to think that he's going to beg to be on her ticket?? What a b****.


I've come up with a few other things that we should ask for while we visit fantasy land:

1.) Unicorns... with wings!
2.) Gryffons
3.) A social security system that will work when there are more people retired than paying into it.
4.) The Yeti
5.) Blagojevich's children's healthcare system to not be bankrupt.

That's all.


Why does noone ever mention Evan Bayh? I've always been disappointed that Evan Bayh hasn't run for president.

He has tremendous experience at both adminstrative (GOV) and congressional (SEN), great intelligence, is very articulate, would play well in the heartland, and his boyish charm would be a great asset as well.

He would make a perfect VP choice.

Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama would be too devisive and polarizing.


This is probably one of the dumber things I've read today: "We give Israel 30 billion a year; yet, Chicago's mass transit is 60 years old. Our roads, bridges, infrastructure is archaic."

Oh, yes, it's Israel's fault that the CTA is screwed up! Sure. Could it be that the governor went to a hockey game instead of insuring that mass transit was even funded in in this state? You don't think that attitude at the state level has had ANY effect on making our transit situation so horrible? Puh-leaze.

You do realize your governor is the same guy who recently said $1 million of your tax money "went to the wrong place" and then offered no explanation of where that place is.

Yes, yes, it's all Israel's fault. You're probably the same person that believes Blago losing that million bucks has absolutely nothing to do with our taxes going up this year.


Last night Hill-Billy mentioned in her speech how the last how ever many elected presidents won the state of Ohio during their run for president and that the good people of Ohio know something about politics. (something to that extent) At work and don't have time to listen to her pathetic rhetoric again.

So is she saying the people of Ohio were correct in electing president Bush? The same president that she says has made this huge mess we are in? (home foreclosures, Iraq, etc.)

Is that a backhanded compliment to the face of Ohioans or people who continue to think she is the answer? If the good people of Ohio know something about politics and elected president Bush, is she implying her support of president Bush? Well she did vote yes for Iraq. Which is it Hill-Billy?

She keeps touting her 35 years of public service . . . 35 years she has been fighting for universal health care (supposedly her #1 agenda) and it still isn’t a reality. 35 years of public service – what has she done for you that makes you think she is worthy of a nomination? Wake up people, Hill-Billy isn’t the answer!


Clinton/Obama = Dream Ticket for 8 yrs...

Then

Obama/??? for another 8 yrs.
(By then Obama will have had his "on the job" training and will be ready to lead the Nation!!!!

I could live with that.


Hey, where's my earlier post about fantasy land?


obama is too smart to fall for the clintons and their tomfoolery. the people are swaying towards obama and hillary should be a gracious loser and step aside for someone with a vision for change!


This election is a vote for or against the war.
Posted by: bill "hussein" r. | March 5, 2008 9:19 AM

Believe it or not bill there are many , many , Americans who want to continue killing the bad guys instead of taking bundled cash from them.

Given that Obama has had to return nearly $200,000 in political campaign contributions linked to his indicted political patron Antoin "Tony" Rezko who is facing corruption charges for a variety of crimes, anything seemed possible.
RezkoWatch's original response is reposted below, followed by an Update.

Original Article
First, about Khaleel Ahmed: Libby Sander reported February 22, 2007, in the New York Times that Zubair A. Ahmed, 27, and his cousin, Khaleel Ahmed, 26, were arrested in Chicago on charges dating from at least as early as April 2004 through the date of the indictment "of conspiring to commit terrorist acts against American military personnel in Iraq, as well as others abroad, in an Islamic holy war against the United States and its allies."
The cousins "were taken into custody at their Chicago homes after a federal grand jury in Cleveland returned a fresh indictment in a pending terrorism case in which three Ohio men are already awaiting trial in Toledo.

The new indictment accuses the two Chicago men of plotting with the Ohioans "to kill or maim persons in locations outside of the United States," including members of the armed forces serving in Iraq.

It says the cousins, both United States citizens, sought training in firearms and countersurveillance from a person with an American military background. The indictment identified that person only as the Trainer. It describes the Trainer as an American citizen who communicated extensively with the three original defendants about paramilitary training but who was not engaged in the conspiracy.
Thankfully, the RW tipster provided the NYT link as well as information that led to the following:
On June 16, 2004, Khaleel Ahmed, 215 Orchard Avenue, Bensenville, Illinois, contributed $2,000 to Obama for Illinois. This was Ahmed's first and only political contribution.
Additionally, a search for his cousin's name, Zubair Ahmed, found this as well:
On June 16, 2004, Zubair Ahmed, 907 Polo Lane, Oak Brook, Illinois, contributed $500 to Obama for Illinois. This likewise was Zubair's first and only political contribution.
Part of the documentation in the indictment against the Ahmed cousins is about travel they planned and carried out in 2004—with their intended destination Afghanistan—between Chicago and Cairo, Egypt, via Istanbul, Turkey. On or about May 21, 2004, they flew from Chicago to Istanbul, then on May 23, 2004, from Istanbul to Cairo, "where they were intercepted in Cairo by Separately Indicted Co-Conspirator A and ZUBAIR's father, among others." On or about June 2, 2004, they returned to Chicago, where they remained until on or about July 3, 2004, when they traveled to a Muslim convention in Cleveland, Ohio, with Separately Indicted Co-Conspirator A with the intention of meeting up with co-conspiracists.

The June 2004 timeframe during which the cousins were present in the Chicago area provided for a window of opportunity to have made the campaign contributions to Sen. Obama's campaign on June 16, 2004.

Also on June 16, 2004, Syed L. Ahmed, an accountant from Chicago, contributed $1,000 to Obama for Illinois. What, if any relationship to either of the Ahmed cousins is unknown. However, all three obviously made their contributions on the same date.

Conclusion: Can RezkoWatch say with certainty that the Khaleel Ahmed and Zubair A. Ahmed who were indicted as terrorism conspirators are the same Khaleel Ahmed and Zubair Ahmed who contributed to Sen. Obama's Illinois campaign on June 16, 2004? Not with a 100% guarantee. Whether they are or not, the Obama campaign should investigate this if they are not already aware of the possibly embarrassing situation.

More information
At the time of their arrest in February 2007, the U.S. Department of Justice news release gave the addresses of the cousins as "Zubair A. Ahmed, age 27, resides at 3504 Green Bay Road, Apartment 309C, North Chicago, Illinois, and his cousin, Khaleel Ahmed, age 26, resides at 4501 N. Keystone Avenue, Chicago, Illinois."

More about the Ahmed cousins here and here. The superceding indictment is here.

UPDATE
Toledo, Ohio's WTOL11 reported February 25, 2008, that cousins Khaleel Ahmed and Zubair Ahmed and the three men from Toledo "accused of plotting to kill troops overseas begins in federal court" on March 4, 2008. Coincidentally—or not—March 4 is the date of the Ohio primary. It is also the day after jury selection begins in Chicago for indicted political fixer—and Obama patron—Antoin "Tony" Rezko's fraud trial.
Last April, two pleaded "not guilty" to the plot. Cousins Khaleel and Zubair Ahmed say they didn't do it, though federal agents say the group researched explosives and trained with snipers, surveillance equipment and suicide bomb vests.

U.S. prosecutors say they have one man saying on tape that he wanted to go back overseas and that, "This time if we die, we die."

The trial is expected to take three to four months, after which a local jury will decide if these men are guilty of terror and, therefore, spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
What are the odds of a presidential candidate being connected to two separate federal trials starting within 24 hours of each other that focus on two such improbable political campaign contributors all from Chicago?

And, to all appearances, there has been zip-zero-nada from the Obama campaign about this.


Bud: Would you consider this a good source ? The sad truth Bud, is Mr. Obama will never be able to get his arms around this one...it's going to be an ever wideing circle.

The Times of London reports that "The
court is also expected to hear from John Thomas, an FBI mole, who reportedly witnessed Mr Obama and Mr Blagojevich making frequent visits to Mr Rezko." [The Times, 3/3/08]


I like the idea of an Obama/Hillary ticket.


Clinton-Obama ticket? Forget it! After that destructive campaign? This woman is full of contradictions. Such a team will tarnish Obama's vision for change and renewal. Obama must reject such temptation. You hurls mud and turn around to me to help your chance of winning against McCain? No way. She must team up with Bill, and that is what it really about. She just wants to ride on and exploit the popularity and powerful message of Obama to her personal glory. „The world is watching“ Clinton and America. The world will laugh at American politics.


I Like the way BILL has used the low road of dirty scurge politics to bring inuendos at the last minute for Hillary to carry his mantle as the comeback kid,
Sorry OBAMA. "No Change to Politics as usual," Get used to Dirty Politics .
03/05/08


America First (above) certainly has a clear grasp of political and social reality, and I agree on each point. But I think McCain is beatable. However, if I can't vote for Obama, I won't vote at all. Hillary does not impress me as Democratic in the least. Her opportunism is just too plain to see. She has behaved badly and tactlessly, and always drags the debates to the lowest subject level. Insisting that Barak renounce Farrakahn had a blatantly racial and segregationist flavor, A kind of "confess your sins blasphemer" appearence.
Change? Hillary brings little or none.


. . . she will prostitute herself to get into office at any cost and no matter how personally compromising that may be.
Posted by: Don
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Geez, lighten up, Don. Is she allowed to breathe or is that yet another indication of her ruthless ambition?
Would she accept an invitation by Barack to be his Veep? Sure, why not? There is nothing evil in that.

I think both of them are going to need a military man as Vice. Hillary has Wesley Clark and, dare I say it, Barack could make it a two-fer and ask Colin Powell.


NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS WILL THIS HAPPEN... She wins three primary's out of fifteen since Super Tuesday and she thinks that 3 victories gives her the right to be the nominee? What planet is she living on? Obama has 160 more pledge delegates than she does and she will never catch him. What she is really saying is that she is willing to concede if Obama chooses her as his running mate.
To borrow a quote from a republican (Mitt Romney) "The last thing you want is Bill Clinton in the White House with nothing to do" I couldn't agree with him more.


The vaunted 'Republican Hate Machine' and the often rumored, much feared (but never proven) VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY have NUTTIN'!!! on the democrats when they get to ripping and screaming and tearing at each other. These folks WROTE THE BOOK and we Republicans are LOVING it.

BTW I have Rush Limbaugh/Ann Coulter toilet paper so don't get to thinking that the conservatives are the only ones.

In the last two elections the Republican candidate was eminently beatable yet the Democrats managed to come up with the ONLY candidate he could beat.

Looks like you've got a streak going.


I'm not opposed to the idea, but I don't think Obama or Hillary wants to be Vice President. They are both in this race to be President. Nothing less.

I think they'd rather return to being Senators than be Vice President, hanging out behind the scenes. They want to be active, engaged and out in public helping the country. So, I don't think this 'dream ticket' will be a reality.

Also, from what we've seen to-date in the primaries, voters have been aligning with candidates with race in mind. That said, John Edwards must be VERY HIGH on both Obama's and Hillary's short-list of potential Vice Presidential running mates. No wonder Edwards hasn't endorsed a candidate yet!


Clinton/Obama = Dream Ticket for 8 yrs...

Then

Obama/??? for another 8 yrs.
(By then Obama will have had his "on the job" training and will be ready to lead the Nation!!!!

I could live with that.


I personally think this could never work. They have insulted each other enough times and seem to be polar opposites. If Clinton wins, she wouldn't pick Obama because he would outshine her. If Obama wins, he would have no reason to pick Clinton. Either way, though, I will vote for MCCAIN in '08.


I think this is the pnly way that either one can win. I have talked to a lot of HIllary supporters who say they will vote for McCain if she loses and the same thing with Obama supporters. The 2 sides are going to be even further apart as this moves on. I think that is why McCain poses the biggest threat to the Dems. If it were Huckabee they would not have to worry about Hilllary/Barrack's people moving over but with McCain they do. I havent heard it as much from Obamas people but HIlalry supporters will vote for McCain, if she loses, at a big enough rate to give him a win. My entier family are HIllary supporters and every single one says they will vote for McCain if she loses. Same with the focus groups that Fox news had with registered Democrats. Half of the 50 Hillary supporters said they would vote for McCain if she loses.


Hillary is so spineless. She goes around pointing out how incompetant Obama is, and now she wants him as her VP. Both of these ego maniacs will do or say anything to be elected. The BS is flowing thick on the dem side.


Gerald Schwartz
Former Deputy Chairman
Democratic Midwest Conference

Posted by: Gerald Schwartz | March 5, 2008 9:08 AM

Spoken like a true Clinton supporter. I think allot of people counted Hillary out before last night, so ya might wanna keep your bigt mouth shut!


The people in Texas and Ohio just showed that they are feeling the buyers remorse on Obama. The more people are looking at him the mroe they are saying well maybe not. He had all the momentum, he outspent Hillary by a huge amount, and he still could not win. I am not a fan of HIllary but she just won 2 huge states with overwhelming odds stacked against her.


Gmoney:

In case you haven't noticed, the economy is going in the toilet under Bush, which is the policy that McCain will follow.

By the way, what IS his economic policy?? Has anyone heard what he will do??


I will NEVER vote for any ticket which includes Clinton.


Bubba would end up taking over as president and these two would be his gophers. Obama is way too passive to take on Bubba.


The Dems need a white guy with some military and/or foreign policy experience on the ticket, in order to create an illusion that they care about our national defense.


I'm taking a chance that Obama doubters and Clinton supporters will read the following, given the fact that the media brands most of her supporters as under-achievers and under-educated...

LADIES FIRST:

Records of these two candidates should be scrutinized in order to make an informed decision.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6 yrs.- and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the web site of the Library of Congress http://www.th omas. loc.gov/, but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after John A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton 's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for r city projects in response to 9/11? 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included?**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law,?**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act,- became law,&n bsp; **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,?**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill,- became law,?**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.

In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record.
He's not just a talker.
He's a doer.


It is senseless to ponder this "dream ticket"

By placing Hillary on any democratic ticket, most independents, like myself, will run to the republicians to help keep her away...

another Clinton in the office will create more polarizing within this country and Bill the first man??? oh boy!

It's either Obama or I going to vote McCain!


Wow, a couple of "victories" and she thinks she's a shoe in for the nomination. Are we forgetting that Obama still leads in the delegate tally and is set to roll out another 50 superdelegates today?


I love the idea of another "Team of Rivals".

Think about it and read the book.

from the Land of Lincoln


Rey Flores, That's one wild dream you're having. Alan Keyes? Didn't he get about 10% of the vote in Illinois? Maybe he'd do better in a nationwide election where nobody knew him.


I would support a Clinton/ Obama ticket or Clinton/ ??? if Obama get the nod I a Democrat would vote Republican.


I love the insinuation that Hillary would choose Obama as her running mate when she is still behind by at least 100 delegates...