McCain and Paul get off easy at GOP SC debate: The Swamp
 
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Posted January 11, 2008 7:00 AM
The Swamp

by Frank James

Two surprises out of last night's Fox News Channel Republican presidential debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., both inexplicable.

One was that Sen. John McCain got out of the event pretty much unscathed.

You would have thought that his New Hampshire Primary win would have made him the big target at last niight's debate.

The other was that Rep. Ron Paul wasn't asked about the newsletters with the racist, anti-Semitic and anti-gay opinions published under his name, publications which have become a big story ever since The New Republic's James Kirchick wrote of their existence recently.

First the Paul controversy. CNN provided Fox News with the perfect lead in to have one of the Fox journalists on the panel of questioners last night put Paul on the spot about the newsletters. CNN's The Situation Room actually did a segment about with Paul yesterday during which Paul tried to distance himself from the newsletters published in the 1990s and 1980s.

But the Fox News journalists never raised the newsletters. At one time it looked like they might when Carl Cameron asked Paul if he was electable. But it didn't happen.

That was really astounding. The newsletters were the biggest story about Paul in that news cycle, burning up the Internet. Yet, the questions never came. It really was an amazing omission. A lot of people will be asking why and spinning conspiracy theories.

Was there a fear it would create a tidal wave of backlash against the news network by fervent Paul supporters? Or that it would derail the debate? Or that the other candidates would be forced to repudiate Paul, which could cost the eventual Republican nominee support from Paul supporters later on?

The failure of the top candidates to take on McCain was also remarkable.Huckabee, who has positioned himself as the GOP candidate offering hope and taking the high road, certainly wasn't going take after McCain. It would've ruined his message.

But that doesn't explain why Romney, Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani didn't. Romney took a few open-handed swipes at McCain but none of them caused any damage.

The presidential campaign textbook usually calls for the candidate who won the last primary and who got a bounce in the polls to be attacked by the others as they try to peel off some of his support.

But last night, the other candidates seemed to be going out of their way to avoid getting nasty with McCain.

They left it for McCain to shoot himself in the foot. He said near the debate's start that the economy wasn't heading into recession.

And by the way, I don't believe we're headed into a recession. I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong, and I believe they will remain strong. This is a rough patch, but I think America's greatness lies ahead of us.

Maybe the economy isn't. But if it turns out the economy worsens and does noticeably head into a recession before next November's election, these words may come back to haunt McCain should he be the nominee. They will make him look out of touch.

It's not likely a grievous wound but he could've easily provided an answer withoutthe potential to be used with great effect later this year in Democratic ads .

Wiser answers came from Huckabee and Thompson. Huckabee said:

Chris, I hope we're not headed toward a recession, but if we are, there's four factors that'll be the reason....

Huckabee was right about two of the four things he cited--rising fuel prices and the subprime mortgage woes. But then he added two factors economists haven't generally haven't cited--health-care and education costs. That was a little odd.

Thompson also had a better answer than McCain.

Unemployment is up to 5 percent.

That used to be considered full employment, but we're going in the wrong direction with regard to that. It's not just the subprime market now, it's poured over into the general housing market. Credit is scarce. It's affected the consumer credit market in general. If you're talking about automobile loans or you're talking about credit card thieves or anything like that, the money is getting tighter and tighter. We still have a bunch of two-handed economists in Washington: On the one hand, we may go into recession, and over on the other hand, we may not. Nobody knows.

At the last debate which took place in New Hampshire, it was clear that Mitt Romney was seen as the man to stop, with several candidates training their fire on him.

But his second place finish in New Hampshire, following a similar finish in Iowa, clearly left him so weakened in the eyes of his rivals that they felt like they didn't need to waste time trying to cut his legs out from under him..

If any candidates played the pinata role Romney did in the last debate it was Huckabee and Paul.

Huckabee was attacked mainly by Thompson, the former senator from Tennesee, who obviously sees the former Arkansas governor as the man he needs to take out in order to have a chance at winning South Carolina since Huckabee appeals to evangelical Christians who are an important segment of conservatives, the same voters Thompson needs.

About 20 minutes into the debate, Thompson launched a huge fusillade against Huckabee, using a statement by Ed Rollins, Huckabee's campaign manager, who said the old Reagan coalition that was history.

This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future. On the one hand, you have the Reagan revolution. You have the Reagan coalition of limited government and strong national security. On the other hand, you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in.

He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies. He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy in the tradition of blame America first. He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here to the United States to find their way into the court system eventually.

He believes in taxpayer-funded programs for illegals, as he did in Arkansas. He has the endorsement of the National Education Association, and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers. He said he would sign a bill that banned smoking nationwide. So much for federalism. So much for states' rights. So much for individual rights. That's not the model of the Reagan coalition. That's the model of the Democratic Party.

Huckabee was ready however. He came back with a good line and followed up with a strong defense:

MR. HUCKABEE: The Air Force have a saying that says that if you're not catching flak, you're not over the target. I'm catching the flak. I must be over the target. (Laughter, applause.)

Fred, I want to say I appreciate the analysis of my record, but let me try to give you some of the facts of my record.

I came into Arkansas as a governor; put in that position as a lieutenant governor when my predecessor, a Democrat, was forced out of office on a felony conviction. I did something that had not been done in my state in 160 years. I cut taxes, with the legislature working with me, and we continued to do that 94 times.

We cut spending. I'll tell you, the most painful time of my being a governor in 10 and a half years was looking at a budget that 91 percent of which was pretty well fixed on education, Medicaid and prisons, and cutting 11 percent out of that budget. Everywhere I went for about a year and every person --

(Sound of bell.)

It may take me just a moment longer, please --

MR. HUME: Go ahead. Go ahead.

MR. HUCKABEE: -- because there were a lot of things on that catalogue there. (Laughter.)

MR. HUME: Please go ahead.

MR. THOMPSON: I know the feeling.

MR. HUCKABEE: Yeah. Everywhere I went, I had people protesting me and screaming and yelling and doing demonstrations, because I cut government. But I stayed faithful to the things that Ronald Reagan stayed faithful to. You know, if Ronald Reagan were running tonight, there'd be ads by the Club for Growth running against him, because he raised taxes a billion dollars in his first year as governor of California; it would be $10 billion today.

What I did was I governed. And the people of my state must have liked the way I did it, because they kept re-electing me.

Later, after Huckabee criticized the billions of dollars the U.S. has spent on the Pakistan military with very little accountability, Thompson saw another opening for an attack.

MR. THOMPSON: Yeah, Governor Huckabee, if I understood him correctly, seemed to be concerned that part of the money we're sending to Pakistan goes to their own military. That's the point. We help train their military. Their new top general over there was trained here in -- in the United States for a period of time. They have lost several people fighting the Taliban. That's who they would fight the Taliban with, is their military. So our cooperation with their military -- their -- our supporting their military is a good thing.

In part because he was leaning forward against Huckabee, Thompson had another strong debate, similar to his performance in the New Hampshire event.

Even though Paul got off easy, not being asked about the controversial newsletters, he did play the roll of the foil for the other candidates and Fox News journalists. Paul's anti-war views made him the next best thing to having a Democrat on the stage.

The most entertaining moment came over the issue of Iran, specifically the recent provocation by Iranian speedboats that buzzed U.S. Naval vessels last weekend and nearly provoked an armed response from the American ships.

After several candidates said they wouldn't second-guess the U.S. Navy commanders involved but warned that the Iranians were literally cruising for a bruising, Paul was asked what he thought and went on a diatribe about the alleged belligerence of the other candidates who shared the stage with him. It led to an exchange between Paul, Britt Hume of Fox News Channel and ultimately Mitt Romney which left Paul looking not too good.

Here's that part of the debate:

REP. PAUL: I would certainly urge a lot more caution than I'm hearing here tonight. It reminds me of what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin. We went to war there, then later on found out there was a lot of false information.

So here we have -- let's put it in perspective. We have five small speedboats attacking U.S. Navy, with a destroyer. They could take care of those speedboats in about five seconds, and here we're ready to start World War III over this.

And now, guess what? (Applause.) Today, the Navy commander of the Fifth Fleet was on ABC and announced that, you know, that voice might not have come from those vessels. So what does that mean? Was there a rush to judgment on this, ready to go to war?

And you know there are people in this administration, and in Washington, D.C., that are looking for the chance. They were so disappointed with the National Estimate on Intelligence and they were disappointed that there was no attempt to build weapons in Iran since 2003. So what -- I just don't see this rush to judgment.

MR. HUME: Well, wait a minute. All of these people I've asked this question to so far have said they supported the decision to be passive. What are you responding to? (Laughter.)

REP. PAUL: I'm very sorry, I can't hear a word (you said ?). (Laughter, applause.) You'll have to speak up.

MR. HUME: Every one of these -- of your fellow candidates have said they supported the commander's decision to respond passively. I just wonder what you're reacting to.

MR. THOMPSON: I don't know that that's passive.

REP. PAUL: Oh, I didn't hear that. Of course we want caution. But I'm worried about the policy of why we're looking for a justification, now there are no weapons, actually people are looking around a for an excuse to bomb Iran. I mean, we're already, with our CIA, being involved in trying to overthrow that government, and we don't need another war. And this incident should not be thrown out of proportion to the point where we're getting ready to attack Iran over this. (Laughter.)

MR. HUME: Governor Romney? (Pause.) If it happens -- if it happens again.

MR. ROMNEY: I think Congressman Paul should not be reading as many of Ahmadinejad's press releases. But let's -- (laughter, applause, boos).

It was perhaps Romney's best line of the evening. He really didn't have one of his strongest nights. Rudy Giuliani also didn't have a breakout night.

Overall, McCain who's now leading in South Carolina according to a Fox News poll, wasn't hurt. And if his rivals were looking for game-changing performances to boost their hopes, they didn't get them. The debate was a wash.

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You are a big loser. Better invest in China since idiots like you are running the press in this country.


Faux News is fair and balanced...if it were Hillary or Edwards or any other democrat, they would have done the same.
Right!


Fox did not ask Dr. Paul about those old news letters that he did not write because they did not want to hear his answer. Action speaks louder then words. Ron Paul has more black support then any other Republican. One reason is that black people are disproportionally harmed by the War on Drugs which Ron Paul will end. He will pardon all non violent drug offenders. Drug laws treat a medical problem as a criminal problem. He will end this discrimination. Any one who reads his platform knows that individual liberty is the opposite of racism. This was a deliberate attempt to smear the most honorable man in Washington.


So Ron Paul has a fantastic evening in that debate and manages to turn attacks against him on the other candidates, and you are focusing only on a thoroughly debunked racism charge and a slip up?

McCain dropped a racist bomb on that stage, but you don't bring that up. After Ron Paul says (and I'm paraphrasing) that it's more important to trade with the Arabs rather than follow our present course of action, McCain replies "The only thing al qaeda wants to trade is burkhas." So McCain is accusing all Arabs of being members of al qaeda, and you let that one slip by. Nice.


John McCain was unscathed? People already know he is in support of abolishing the concept of the rule of law by rewarding illegals with amnesty and people already know he is not for responsible spending when he says he wants to send massive chunks of Americans' paychecks to the middle east for the next 100 years.
McCain and Romney are anti-American and so is Fox news.


These debates are useless. Romney claims to save the world, McCain says we aren't heading to a recession, Thompson says 5% unemployment is good, Huckabee and Giulliani are Democrats, and Ron Paul doesn't debate well. If the real conservatives could sit down and really talk about policy we might be able to learn something.


The reason they didn't bring up that newletter is because of the CNN interview where Dr Paul responded with a strength that shocked most that watched it. Even Wolf was taken aback and was forced to admit that he couldn't believe the allegations against Dr Paul either. The only angle of accountability to Dr Paul over this whole thing was the fact that he wasn’t aware of the writings in a publication that had his name on it. Then again, this is consistent with how Dr Paul does things, look at the Revolution … it is completely decoupled from his campaign. He allows them to do their own thing in his name and yes, sometimes they do bad things with that power … but it is self regulating and issues rarely repeat themselves. As Dr Paul said in the debate about the 9/11 truthers , he doesn’t believe he has the power to dictate to people what they can and can not do. All he can do is be responsible for his own actions and hope that those that claim to care for him will not abuse their power.


Gee, I wonder who's writing Frank Jame's paycheck?

Think he might be a Romney supporter? Just maybe? Nah... what evidence do we have of that?


"not being asked about the controversial newsletters"

The NY times tried the racist angle and it blew up in there face because their was no proof. That's why. It is BS and can only effectively be used as a slander technique on online rags like the New Republic and well I guess yours.
Don't worry, if you, MSM, doesn't destroy his chances by slandering him I'm sure Diebold will get the job done.


Funny, you just don't like Ron Paul crashing the party,so you miss important parts of the debate.
"After several candidates said they wouldn't second-guess the U.S. Navy commanders involved but warned that the Iranians were literally cruising for a bruising" - You left out the Rhetoric the candidates were using - Huckabee Sending them to the gates of Hell, Thompson introducing them to the Virgins. Then Brit Hume trys to insinuate they were being moderate ? ? WHo wouldn't be confused at that question ?


Hell, after reading quotes from the newsletter, I find them all to be factually true. Are truths now racist ??


Is'nt it amazing how every white man running for anything is either charged with racism of sodomy. Same old crap. LOL Nobody buys this go-to defamation anymore. We all know who Ron Paul really is and we know who you are Frank. Your just another race baiting social engineer. This revolution is about exposing and destroying people like you. So keep up the hit peices your gonna need them.


Man this post is so wrong on the event. Ron Paul clearly dominated the scene. To actually see how the rest of the candidates just unleashed their rehearsed propaganda was next to nothing to what truth Ron exposed. Man Ron seemed to be the ONLY adult on that podium. Besides this was the second time he won with a huge leap Fox news question: "Who won the debate?" Mc Cain is totally unelectable being such a warmonger (100 years war in Irak). And they pose this question to Ron Paul? How wrong are these kids? And the 30 year old crap of newsletter where some offensive stuff had Rons Name written on it- this was just propaganda to destroy Paul, and he impressively reacted on Wolfs show. I am no Ron Paul advocate but Truth should be told.


Clear biased reporting, no good quality journalism. If this is the "quality" of journalism in the US and people believe it, I do not have much hope for America. Maybe you should look beyond the US and see that the Iraq invasion and the current Republican candidates defending, has caused the US to be very isolated internationally, from its allies in Europe (except Blair) and reason, for that matter. It is really a sad day that only Ron Paul seems to have true insight. People internationally have become fed up with US foreign policy interference and an implied racism (you are prescribing to others how they should act), a racism people are rejecting. You have also failed out to point out the racist comment by McCain during the debate. This will only lead to more hatred from Muslims and moderate Muslims may develop more sympthathy with the extremists, which means the world will be much more dangerous, and economic didsaster will also follow. The Republicans will be happy that Ron Paul has given them the opening, representing the traditional Republican paleo-conservative stance. In case Ron Paul does not get the nomination and there is only a two way race, a Democrats candidate is sure to will with a landslide (as Ron Paul supporters will not vote for either of them).


A funny thing occurred to me recently. Here Congress is currently trying to pass a bill to take away guns from American veterans who may have experienced post traumatic stress disorder, See The Veterans Disarmament Act. But yet, some want to elect a man who must have experienced more stress than most will ever know(Hanoi Hilton) and give him the trigger to something more dangerous than any firearm. Odd indeed


Huckabee said it right - Anyone can pass laws, but it takes a Governor to make it work. Muckabee HAS that experience as Governor - AND he's no Flip-flop.


Maybe you should mention according to the Fox News post debate poll Dr. Paul won with over 30% of the vote- Thompson came in 2nd and Huckabee came in third.

Of course those are just facts
that just might educate you readers and would distract from your own personal opinions.


Our Government and mainstream media are totally out of control. It's like watching some twisted Twilite Zone episode. Ron Paul is the only sane man on stage. How do you scumbags sleep at night?
PS HOW ABOUT REPORTING ON THE VOTE COUNTING FRAUD PROVEN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE???


First off, this wasn't a debate, it was a Fox News propaganda excercise. Secondly, there's no way in hell a Ron Paul supporter would consider ever voting for any one of those criminals.


LOL. Those newsletters are false propaganda to try and hurt Paul. You want to know why the propaganda is resorting to racism? Because Ron Paul has been consistent in his approach to government, and his enemies can not find any thing else to attack him on. It's much easier to try and fool the public that an old white man from texas, no less, is racist or anti-semitic so don't vote for him. NONSENSE! And we the public are not falling for this crap, some of us just take a little more time than others, but that's how Ron's support came in the first place. By grassroots set on fire. And that fire is spreading as more and more people realize WE can govern OURSELVES. WE are the GOVERNMENT. NOT politicians or the big media companies. Americans, a new revolution has started. Take back our country, and fight for liberty and justice for all! For all colors and creeds.


Your headline says Paul got off easy and then you talk about how he got railed on by Fox and the other candidates. Just because they didn't ask about something that was already dealt with or debunked if you will and has nothing to do with policy positions doesn't mean he got off easy. He will never get off easy when dealing with the scoundrels that want to ruin what America is supposed to be. They have their own agendas and it is not the Constitution.


Ron Paul is a regular guy, who speaks with honesty and integrity. He's not a slickster politican with buzzwords. Since we've never had an honest guy in this election, he can be considered different, we're just not used to it. I will take the man with integrity, Ron Paul, over the others. WOW, a white house with integrity and honor, we might actually be sending a good message to our children, so cool.


The verdict of the conservative blogosphere was that Fred Thompson "won" this debate. The Republican "focus group" that analyzed the debate also found Thompson the winner.

When it comes to Republican candidates, I trust the judgment of actual Republicans more than the Democrats who write for the DNC Swamp.


I think what is most disheartening, for me as an American voter, is the lack of reason involved in the "political process".
These 'debates', really aren't even close to what they are intended for. Anymore, we have (for the last 40 years) "American-Idol"ed this process into sound-bites and likeability.
Rather than voters rushing to "get on the winning team" (find the most electable candidate), rather than make a decision on who should be Commander in Chief of the Country.....and we wonder why we are in the situation we are in.
It seems EVERY 'journalist' spins events to suit their purpose, rather than just reporting facts. Let ME draw my own conclussions.


I am so glad to see Ron Paul on stage, on a bogus news?station, FOX. To me it means exactly what Chucklebee Huckabee exclaimed about receiving the Flac, Ron Paul must really be a threat to the War Mongers, Tax Thieves, Baby Killers and would be Dictators, because all the non beleivers just have to get some stupid remark in to try and discredit what Ron Paul is about. SIMPLE FREEDOM!
Ron Paul is trying to shed light on the way this society has allowed big government to own them, lock, stock and barrel! Our freedoms are not those that our forefathers created but rather what this tyrannical government has allowed us to keep, FOR NOW!
Why won't you FELLOW AMERICANS, WAKE UP and smell the horsedung your being served for your daily diet??
Also, Fox TV should be banned from the airwaves for such a biased, one sided debate that was more like a rehearsal for the Puppet Show. Hey there Fox, maybe you should start a new reality show and call it just what it is, The Puppet Show! Besides that, don't foxes run and hide when they are confronted?
In any case, Thank you, Dr. Ron Paul for being yourself and wanting what is truthfully right for this nation.


You give Huckabee credit for his answer on the economy. All he said was gas and housing prices are going up. Wow, what a great economic mind. Why are those things going up in price? I am convinced that there was only one man on that stage who can answer that correctly and it is Ron Paul. The others either don't understand the economy or understand it and want to maintain the status quo for personal profit.


Ron Paul is all hype. Ralph Nader was more effective because he had the cajones to run as a third party candidate. Ron Paul will continue to attract 5%-8% at most and then slip into obscurity once again after the nominating convention.


"We borrow 10 billion dollars from Communist China, every 3 days, then give it to the Dicator Musharrif in Pakistan, to promote Democracy in Iraq, this is crazy, what are we doing"? Ron Paul is SO crystal clear, SO honest, SO beautiful, SO inspiring, it brings a tear to my eye. Ron Paul is the FIRST politican in my 50 year life who has ever had the courage to tell us all the TRUTH.


The only thing that matters is that Ron Paul has correctly identified the most likley threats to our way of life. All the issues that the others discuss will be shown to be irrelevant when the dollar fails and we have recession like never before. I just wish Ron was better at explaining things- it is true that he is not very good at it.


Former war hero turned stand up comic John McCain gave the funniest line of the night when he said he didn't think a recession was coming.

Here's one reason why that's so funny (or maybe ironic): http://www.financialsense.com/editor...2006/1223.html

That a recession was coming hasn't exactly been a surprise to those who study these matters, and TeamBush sure knows it too, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../ccview107.xml
even if their best pal Maverick doesn't see it coming yet.


heres Ron Paul's response to the stuff written in his newsletter in the 1990's:
“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

Folks wake up to what is happening in America. People in my home state of
Mississippi who depend upon the television for their news haven't heard of Ron
Paul enough to remember who he is much less what he stands for. We must demand that the FCC punish networks that perpetuate this attrocity. Until the primaries are over, there should be none of these favoritism and dismissal of any candidates.


Obviously, Frank James was watching a different debate than I was. Ron Paul was the only candidate to assert that the US is already in a recession and that intervention by the Fed will only delay the worst of its effects. Time will prove him right.


Ron Paul made point after point, shredding the other candidates positions, and all you can come up with is the one time Mr. Paul forgot to ask "Why was our destroyer in the Persian Gulf at all?" which was quite obviously his point, and quite obviously lost on you and Brit Hume.


All this, and you also forgot to mention the ridiculous questions about "911 truthers" and electability. How is he responsible for what other people believe? Why would he be running, not to mention beating two of the candidates on stage with him in Iowa and New Hampshire, if he didn't think he were electable?
All in all, I'd say you wrote about as biased of an article as I've seen recently. It's only success is making you less credible as a political reporter.


Huh?? The newsletter story is old stuff--the NYT Magazine last summer mentioned the controversial newsletters in a story about Dr. Paul, and accepted Dr. Paul's response then (go back and read it).

Were you really paying attention to what the other candidates were saying? They just waste at least half their response times reiterating the obvious and then dodge the question. They snicker at Dr. Paul's explanations on monetary policy because they, like most Americans, don't understand it either.

I propose that anyone running for president in the country be given a test on their knowledge of U.S. and world history and economics. We'd definitely have much better candidates like Dr. Paul to choose from.


The racist smears were not written by Ron Paul. Check out this video.

http://www.live5news.com/news/state/13696102.html


Hardly an accurate assessment of the debate.


A true American Patriot is hard to come by, especially in our political system. "Anything For A Buck" seems to be the policy of this article. If this Nation goes down, it will be because of Press such as this.


How can someone that runs for office of the President not be a racist, within the first term of any of them they have to bomb and eviscerate foreign people with a smile. How can anyone ignore this, Paul should point out this fact of the position of which all these people are running for. They merely mouth the words of love while they spew the love of "capitalism's arsenal" in the same direction. Give me a break, sure that doesn't make RP's situation better, it just brings it way the f down to a reality level, come on, I can't believe the MSM making itself appear so unbiased, or unprejudiced, geez, the way they have treated Paul surely also denys that kind of ignorance. So even if he were "racist" how would that make him any different than the rest of the candidates that are favored by the media that promotes the racist bombings of people in the rest of the world, kind of like a grand wizard claiming he's for peace while carrying out murder. Of course that's like me expecting the media to out itself.
If you need another reminder why Paul will actually throw a giant monkey wrench into the system's current bombing campaign then maybe we should not forget that the US treats it's own soldiers that carry out the murder, lest we not foget homelessness or the Walter Reed facts, maybe if the government cares that much for them, why would the policy care about people of different races in other countries? You do not forget this same government gave black men syphilis and marched soldiers into radioactive bomb blasts to see how it would effect them.


Fox news questions were more of attacks on Ron Paul rather than serious questions like were asked to the other candidates.


Even some liberals like me Ron Paul. He was treated shabbily in the debate and stayed consistent with his message. Can John McCain talk about anything besides war? Fred Thompson enjoys bashing Mike Huckabee, yet no one asks Fred why he thinks a few uneventful stints in the senate and a TV show qualify him to be our president. Sorry, but this liberal thinks Mike Huckabee is a decent man no matter what the talking heads say. Everyone hates Giuliani but he consistently speaks clearly and does a great job explaining the intricacies involved in foreign policy issues. Romney keeps saying Washington needs ot be changed, yet has the unspoken endorsement of the Bush family and has not once criticized George Bush. I'm not sure what would change under Romney.


Frank James, fresh off his assurances of an Obama landslide in New Hampshire, opines on the Republican debate.

Democrat James couldn't understand what Democrat voters are doing. So why should anyone expect any insight from him on the Republican race?

Mr. James wonders why nobody in the debate took out after Ron Paul. The answer is simple. If Mr. James ever talked to a Republican, he'd know that Republican candidates consider Ron Paul an annoyance, not really worth the bother of attacking. The internet, in bringing up Paul's newsletter, is doing the destruction job quite nicely without the candidates having to chime in.

As to John McCain, again, if Mr. James was a Republican or talked to Republicans, he'd realize that Fred Thompson (among others) WANTS McCain to win in Michigan and eliminate Mitt Romney. Hence he went easy on McCain. Thompson's prime target right now is Huckabee. If Thompson can eliminate Huckabee, and McCain Romney, he can get a matchup with McCain and Giuliani--a contest he'd win.

Bob Krumm's analysis on this point is particularly good. See http://www.bobkrumm.com/blog/


Can you say "PROPOGANDA"! This article by James is another example of the extreme manipulation the media is willing to exert on our political process. Shameful! I was actually AT the debate in Myrtle Beach last night. My impressions: Ron Paul, Mitt Romney & Mike Huckabee seemed to be very well represented by the lapel buttons folks were wearing. Rudy & Fred had a good number of supporters too. However, we were very surprised at the lack of McCain supporters as we watched people come into the room for 2 hours before hand. During the debate, FOX manipulated the audience by showing a split screen of McCain sneering at Paul like he was mental. When the audience saw the split screen; they laughed at the look on McCain's face (it was amusing!) which was rude & discrediting to Congressman Paul. Split screen trick was used once to our audience but worked it's magic by ramping up the laughter. Another example of manipulation - FOX coordinated a "Focus Group" of people afterwards who were located in Charleston, SC - they did not even attend the event in Myrtle Beach! Therefore, those folks were asked who won the debate (they said McCain) and who lost (they said Paul) were not even at the convention center... they only saw the broadcast version FOX chose to show with split screens, commentary & audio of boos & applause muted! Our political process is being incredibly manipulated & corrupted. Although, I believe Ron Paul was the most knowledgeable on economics & trying to bring us back to the Constitution, he won't win the nomination because the media won't let him. The main thing I hope is that the American people will wake up & see how they are being manipulated. I used to only watch FOX News in years gone by since I really believed the "Fair & Balanced" crap; now, not so much! They're just the same as CNN, MSNBC, etc. All owned by powerful corporations that have a vested interest in keeping their power by manipulating elections. Then touch screen voting machines made by Diebold help to secure the favored election results...Wake up, people! It's worse than we could have imagined & may be too late! Do your own research & think...then act accordingly.


"It led to an exchange between Paul, Britt Hume of Fox News Channel and ultimately Mitt Romney which left Paul looking not too good."

Were we watching the same debate? I thought Paul was the only guy that was dead on. He was the only guy that mentioned that the navy is now backtracking and saying that the radio transmission may not have even come from the iranian boats. If anyone came off looking bad it was Romney who got the LOUDEST BOOS OF THE ENTIRE EVENT for his comment.


John McCain has scathed himself with his opposition to Bush tax cuts,his amnesty for illegal immigrants bill, McCain/Feingold that restricted first amendment rights to raise questions about incumbents. Mc Cain says there is too much money in politics code for don't you say anything bad about me punk.
His past will be his future he is not conservative and shouldn't compare himself to Ronald Reagan. I knew Ronald Reagan and he is no Reagan. Jerry White, Springfield, IL


Funny, how "now" this comes up on Dr. Ron Paul when the GOP race enters South Carolina which has a large African American population. This is such a smear that I can't believe the typical American could even believe it to be true. Let alone about Ron Paul who is right about being the only GOP candidate even remotely concerned about discrimination against minorities and everyone for that matter. He's the only GOP candidate that talks about real issues and change. Real change. Not lip service. The rest of the pack is just your typical war-mongering, lip service deceivers that we have seen and heard for years. Sad that the vast majority of Americans still fall prey to these deceptive games. Hard to believe that 70% of Americans want out of the Iraq war, and even more want "No War At All" to resolve issues abroad, but they all flock to McCain in NH who wants nothing but war to solve all the worlds problems. Are we crazy? And why is it that the other GOP candidates look at other foreign lands and nations like they are a state within the USA? When is this type of policy going to stop? That is what is insane and "true" Americans need to wake up and realize that Ron Paul is trying his best to showcase a failed policy that his other GOP competitors want you to believe is the best for the USA and the world. We need to stop worrying about the rest of the world for awhile and fix things here at home for a change. Stop forcing people to do things as we do, which has not been so great the past decade or so. Our nation is broke, people are broke, others hate us, we can't secure our own border.....but you listen to any other GOP candidates they will tell you War will solve our problems, foreign policy has nothing to do with "terrorism" and our monetary system is just fine. Wake up "my friends". Things are not fine.


Ron Paul is for the Liberty of ALL people.

Watch the CNN reaction to the old letters that were published under his name but, not written by him or even edited by him

His next big fundraising day is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr birthday..who is one of Dr. Ron Paul's heros:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo4cEVt8UQ8


The link below proves that he had nothing to do with writing that newsletter or editing it.

Dr. Martin Luther King was one of his heros:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo4cEVt8UQ8


I actually thought it was Paul who was right here. Huckabee had just responded, "they will see the Gates of Hell". Paul was responding to that comment and intent to start another war. The Boo's were directed at Romney for not understanding Paul's "true" statement. Fox News did their best last night to try and eliminate Ron Paul. The questions he was asked were not "fair and balanced" in relationship to the others. I was dissapointed in the bias of Fox News, and I now am beginning to see, this country is headed for some serious trouble if America doesn't wake up to what's going on in the REAL world.


This is old news. Move on to the next scandal. If you can find any. Go Ron Paul.


Here's some real news:

Ron Paul has more support from the military than any other candidate, including McCain.

Ron Paul has more support from Black voters than any other republican.

Some of Ron Paul and Obama's votes in NH weren't counted. Hmmm..here we go again.


Funny how that stuff was never fron page news. I mean it IS really shocking that the Ron Paul has recieved more support from active duty and retired military men than Mccain but where is that on CNN?
Is that not "sensational"?

I hope you guys have access to sacramental penance because I think a lot of you professional media types are bigotted lairs.

But thank you Wolf Blitzer on CNN. He's become one of my favorite TV dudes because he is incredibly fair to Paul, even when he interviewed him over those letters.


The reason No one asked about the racist newsletters is because he's not racist. anyone that has heard him speak, read his books, or met him can attest to this. To ask will only further the cause of the movement. Calling someone a racist when they are not only works when they can't respond. libertarians believe in treating everyone equally. We also believe that one should never initiate force on another. These two principles are core to libertarianism.


There's one reason the newsletter issue didn't come up: the powers that be have no need to critically examine the matter.

I watched the CNN report; it was a hit piece. You can tell it was a hit piece because all the reporter did was raise the specter of racism, stoke the fires of innuendo, and send the whisper train down the political track.

If the media wanted to get to the facts of the matter, they would investigate. You've heard of this? Investigation? Reasoned inquiry? Maybe you could, oh, I don't know---call the person who was the actual editor of the letter? He or she may even know the writer of the piece!

That's just a suggestion, of course. Far be it from me to teach you people about journalism.


Why are ignorants like you running the press in this country? The news letter have been written 15 years ago by free lancer journalists, and Dr. Paul when heard about those letter later on he fired those people. He is not a small minded guy like you. YAre you trying to steel the african american votes away from him, because the african american community vote more for him than for any other republican!

You musst be a monkey not to understand that Dr. Paul is a libertarian (who see people as individuals, not skin color). And by the Way, Martin Luther King and Rosa Park are true heroes for Dr. Paul because they practiced peacefull civil desobedience and fought for civil liberties


I don't see why this passes for journalism. Reporting on the sensationalism of the rhetoric thrown about does not help whatsoever to resolve any issues. Oh wait, it's a blog. Blog = personal vendetta. Have fun ya hack.


The main message I took away from the debate is that the candidates want to be seen as Ronald Reagan. Even Reagan would have trouble salvaging the GOP from the ravages of the past eight years. Listen up, GOP: I am one of those Democrats you're hoping to get, and I would vote for Ron Paul over any Democratic candidate, but I'd vote for any Democratic candidate over any of the other Republican candidates. Enough said?


John McCain has proven himself to be bat *@%$ crazy. It is sad and as a veteran we should be giving him the best medical care possible. He deserves to be taken care of the country that he has served. He is not capable of handling the stress of his current position much less being President. Hopefully he can serve out the rest of his term with dignity and retire.


Was the apology really written by Ron Paual or did someone else write it over his name without his knowledge or review?

Are Ron Paul's policy positions his responsiblity or are they written by others without his knowledge or review?

If elected President will Ron Paul blame everything on staffers who acted without his knowledge or review?


Bringing up these newsletters is pure trash journalism. Those racist comments were not made by Paul, and he has taken responsibility for not watching what went out in some newsletters more closely. Of all the people running in this race, Ron Paul has the most respect for civil liberties of anyone.


The whores at FOX didn't ask about the newsletters because they had already heard Paul's answer and they didn't want their audience to hear it. The question is dishonest and the answer would make Ron Paul even more popular with blacks and everyone else than he already is. The creeps at FOX wouldn't dare risk it. They'll spread the newsletter story when he isn't there to reply.


Looks like Ron Paul has picked up another endorsement from a veteran politico:

http://davidduke.com

Ron Paul 2008
The South Will Rise A'gin


This author seems to think that a snide, dishonest wise-crack and a leering smirk makes a "breakout" night for a candidate. Too much TV, not enough thinking.

Ron Paul won the debate. Fox news lost again.


I just have one question. If Fox news is so bad and biased...Why do you watch it? Oh yea most of you are liberal and don't have a real reason to rant. Don't be mad because your choice canidate(paul)appeared to be a blithering moron. That is not Fox news fault. Everyone got the same questions and a chance to respond. What else can you expect from a debate?
Just a bunch of liberal pucks!


Here's how I would like to have seen Paul put Cameron in his place on the 9/11 truther question:

1. "It has also been noted that a small number of white nationalists have decided to support my candidacy. Is it the duty of all us candidates to monitor all the different beliefs held by everyone who supports us?"

2. "If I'm elected president, what do you want me to do about truthers - or Mormons for that matter? An angel giving some gold plates to a young farmboy would be considered by many to be much more unlikely than what the truthers believe. Would you want a president to repudiate their support? Round them up and put them in jail? Abrogate their Rights of religion and free speech? Revoke their citizenship? Exile them from the country?"

3. "Do you ever ask Obama whether he will repudiate the support of any black nationalist Nation of Islam folks who might be likely to support his candidacy? Of course you don't? And so why do you ask me that kind of a question? Is it because I'm not one of the media-anointed candidates that you or your employer, Mr. Murdoch, want to see win this election?"

4. "Enough of this trivial nonsense already. Let's stick to debating the really important economic and foreign policy issues that are going to determine the quality of our future, and possibly even the very survival of this country as a sovereign nation."


SC voters (and voters from other states as well) if the debate helped you make decide you can help your choice score here:

http://www.ireachable.com/vote

you may want to rush because others are voting


Ron Paul got by easy??

ROTFL!!!!

Fox News did everything possible to make Ron look bad on that stage and it backfired in their faces BIGTIME!

Huh?

I wonder why Fox didn't ask Ron about the letters?

Maybe it's because they saw the Wolf Blitzer interview and they were afraid it would backfire in their faces as well?

I truly believe they were waiting for the last part of the debate to ask him that question, but since Ron was on such a ROLL, they thought better of it.


Thompson and McCain both used Muslim Arabs as the butt of their jokes, sadly the crowd ate it up. Evidently it is only racism if they are are black or hispanic. Middle easterners are fair game?


Besides the fact that Fox OPENLY wears their bias on their sleeves what I found disturbing is that these politicians act like we are in a War to prevent a War from coming to our shores. Hrmmmm. Let me get this right. We have had over 15 million people flood our country ILLEGALLY and that is not WAR? Are you frickin' kidding me? It is a CULTURAL war. A war that will be won without ever firing a SINGLE shot. As far as the debate goes. ANYONE who has ANY common sense and a legitimate concern for this countries' direction KNOWS that Ron Paul SPANKED the other candidates. He is the MOST qualified candidate running and represents Ronald Reagan's views probably better than Reagan himself. The ONE thing Ron Paul lacks is Charisma. I guess Bush got elected because he was so good looking and so great at speaking? What a joke. This is an election, people, not a beauty contest. If you want to feel good about yourself educate yourself and quit letting the Lamestream Media make your decisions for you!


I have never seen a more fauxed debate in my Life. The interviewers were attempting to scorch Ron Paul and he prevailed. I would have liked to see all of the candidates bunched up in that little room that Fox had in the New Hampshire debates with Ron Paul sitting right in the middle.


Ron Paul would come across negatively in that exchange in question if you do not pay attention to what was being said. After Ron Paul provided a logical explanation that we should use caution about the incident and the fact that in previous situations the US has blown events out of proportion which helped lead to wars, Brit Hume asked what are you responding to? Here is a quick sample - Huckabee said we would send the Iranian soldiers to "the gates of Hell", Thompson said we would let them see "the virgins the Muslims are always talking about", Giuliani said we should work with other nations to impose further sanctions on Iran, and Romney painted the incident as a well orchestrated act of war by Iran to test our resolve and defenses. All of these comments are highly aggressive and are really way over the top of the incident especially since we do not have all the facts yet. Ron Paul, time and time again yesterday, provided the most logical responses to questions on Israel Policy, how the party has lost its way, whether Ron Paul is electable etc. Instead of focusing on all of this Macho talk we should pay attention to the content of what is being said.


The comments on this story seem to indicate to me that anytime the Ron Paul zealots don't see their main man being made out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread then they will loudly boo, protest, claim bias and otherwise whine.

On a more serious note, I think that McCain was hit during the debate. The man has a defeatist attitude about jobs. He basically said, "Some jobs will go away, oh well. I guess I can't bring them back." Romney may not be able to stop every job from leaving our shores but at least he said he would fight to keep them from going. In other words, if the jobs try to leave then McCain would simply stand by holding the door while Mitt would grab them and try to pull them back into the country and keep them here. Seems like a big distinction to me.


Ron Paul is the only candidate that displayed substance and thought process in his answers. The man basses his decision on logic and reason, not emotion. He recognizes that emotion is for guidance not decision making. He is a man of great character and those who question it have obviously not been exposed to the vast amount of essays and speeches this man has given over the years. Circumstantial evidence if repeated enough will bend the weak minded to inaccurate conclusion. Think for yourself; Do not be easily led by the bridle of emotion.

McCain is a fool if he thinks we are not going into a recession. Bad Economic Records are being set at an unprecedented rate. Things are crashing on a massive scale never seen before. The Idea that McCain

Romney has the economic savvy and more than likely would be a good president. He is more of a compromiser than I would prefer.

Huckabee is a slick talking socialist in my opinion. He has great command of the language but is strategically telling people what he thinks they want to hear. He has steadily adopted closer positions to Ron Paul since the first debate.

Giuliani is just as corrupt as Hillary.

Thompson is just pretending. No real substance to his positions or character. More of the same.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that does not blow in the wind and has the wisdom to ask the right questions to allow logical conclusion.

I vote for virtue; I vote for Ron Paul.


Dear Frank... Thank you for your fair assessment on the debate. Being a Dr. Paul supporter, it was refreshing to allow Dr. Paul's words to be used rather than not used or changed. One item, how is peace a democratic issue/ stance? When I listen to the democrats, they wish to remain in war as much as the republicans. I honestly believe Dr. Paul is the only candidate that speaks of peace. Thank you.


Why doesn't Fox ask about the 5 privatley held banks that make up the federal reserve?
Why doesn't anyone ask why the federal government gave away it's ability to create money to these banks who now charge us interest?

Why doesn't anyone ask why 30% of revenue the IRS collects goes to these private banks when Congress has the right(in the constitution) to create this same money at littel or no cost?

All the rest is a smoke screen.

Wake up America before it's too late...


I thought McCain doomed his campaign last night. He challenged Ron Paul on foreign policy, giving Ron Paul an opportunity to remind America that John McCain wants the war in Iraq to go on for the next hundred years.

Then McCain made a bigoted statement about burkas, one that I'm sure won't be well received by the large Arab community in Michigan.


After a night of Fox asking Paul questions that attempted to make him look stupid, Paul declined the up-close interview after the debate. WHY? Fox was saving the racists newsletter question for the grand finale! This is old news that Paul explained 20 years ago.


The other candidates didn't bring up the newsletter issue because they know that it's only the mere wisp of a ghost of a skeleton in Dr. Paul's closet, one that's he's competently exorcised years ago... now, those guys, they have entire hordes of infected zombies in their closets, and they don't want to tempt fate lest their closet doors be opened.


Ron Paul have addressed the issues and repudiated the letters. If you read them anyone with an ounce of intelligence can tell they are not from Dr. Paul. They are written very poorly and are on a completely opposite spectrum of any official Dr. Paul release or speech.

If you want a racism with hunt, why dont you cover the 2 things that were said LAST NIGHT.

Thompson referenced the Iranians being once step closer to those "Virgins" (meaning all Iranians are radical islamic terrorists?

Or Mccains statement of trading "Burkas" with the Al-Qaeda. Im sure all the Muslim females that were stoned or killed for not wearing them would appreciate that statment!


It wasn't a coincidence that he wasn't asked to defend himself on this issue. It would have then been obvious that this has become a smear tactic which interesting enough seems to pop up as the first story every time you Google for Ron Paul news. If you look at the time stamp it isn't the latest news piece on him. Why is that?.. I suppose they think if they always launch with this story it is going to effect perceptions. Nah! Pretty transparent. What was with the Fox foc us group? I don't think so!


Chris Williams,

In what universe would a liberal support Ron Paul, a Libertarian? (Anarchist)

Particularly one that is against abortion, Social Security, socialized medicine, enviro-ism, and any number of other liberal causes?


LOL @ "Fox News journalists".

Carl Cameron should be


You can't be serious. You can write a piece with such an obvious disdain for Paul, try to mask it as responsible journalism, and still feel good about yourself at the end of the day? It's pretty tragic.


Every time I read the responses of the people of this country I am in awe of their insite.

Financially this country is going down the toilet. Our national debt is fast approching 10 TRILLION dollars! It is acculumating at 1.2 million dollars A MINUTE! Yet we never hear any of the candidates talk about it, except Ron Paul. He keeps reminding us we are going broke; the other candidates chuckle at him.

I, for one, don't want to leave my children and grandchildren saddled with this huge debt.

In addition, the MSM in this country aids and abets the other candidates by limiting Ron Paul's message every chance they get. The media, in general, should be ashamed of the way they have treated him! And Fox News is terrible! How can they sleep at night!

We're going down the toilet folks. None of the other candidates talk about solutions the way Ron Paul does. It will be just more of the same. And the longer it takes to fix it, the harder it will be. Remember the old commercial: You can pay me now or you can pay me later.

Go Ron Paul. I'm with you till the end!!


PS - The 'focus group' was a joke!!! Huge Joke!! We can see thru ya, Fox News.


Looks like Ron Paul has picked up another endorsement from a veteran politico:

http://davidduke.com

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Posted by: Smirky McFlightsuit | January 11, 2008 10:51 AM

I would not call this an unqualified endorsement, especially given David Duke’s stated disagreements with Ron Paul regarding Martin Luther King, Jr., free trade, immigration, affirmative action and welfare.

You’re not trying to parlay David Duke’s endorsement into some claim that Ron Paul is a racist, are you? That wouldn’t be fair. Ron Paul hasn’t reciprocated with any support for David Duke. Until he starts giving his assent to the racist ideas – which he clearly has not – he cannot fairly be labeled a racist.

So, then, why did you bring this up?


Bad news, Geepa, this is the end. You and congressman Paul can go back to talking fiscal responsibility while inserting fat earmarks to benefit the shrimp industry into spending bills. What a bunch of heros.


I give up msm and now these blogs - have railroaded these newsletter that I know in my heart was not written by Ron Paul.

I give up you can't fight the power. Sign me up for Sheeple duty.

Back to the Simpson’s for me.