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Posted January 10, 2008 6:30 AM
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President Bush, standing beneath a portrait of the late Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, with whom he had refused to negotiate, at the West Bank headquarters of Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, holding out hope for peace. Photos by Mark Silva

by Mark Silva

RAMALLAH, Israel – Despite many obstacles to peace between Palestinians and Israelis, President Bush asserted flatly here today that a “signed peace treaty’’ is possible by the end of this year – the “timeframe’’ of his own presidency’s end.

Bush and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met privately and had lunch today at the Muqata, the Palestinian government headquarters in the West Bank atop a craggy hill in valleys of terraced rock, piano-wire fences, cement walls and Israeli checkpoints.

The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, with whom Bush refused to negotiate, is buried in this compound – a portrait of the smiling PLO leader hung behind Bush at a press conference with Abbas. The new leader is committed to a negotiated peace with Israel that leads to the creation of an independent Palestinian state.

The two faced a delayed start with a system of headsets that was failing to deliver the interpreter’s report of Abbas’ words, prompting Bush to joke while Abbas spoke: “I agree completely.’’

Bush also told Abbas: “Listen, they say I have enough problems speaking English as it is.’’ But it was largely Texan which Bush was speaking here today, as he delivered his vision of hope for a peaceful settlement in forceful and passionate terms.

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The Muqata, the Palestinian government compound.

“There’s anticipation that all the American president has to do is step in, and this is the way it’s going to be – that’s not the way the system works,’’ said Bush, explaining that it is up to Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to forge a deal that leads to an “outline’’ of the borders of a Palestinian state by year’s end – the stated goal of Olmert, Abbas and Bush.

“I believe there will be a signed peace treaty by the time I leave office. I believe that,’’ Bush insisted here.

Asked about his own role, Bush said it is to “nudge the process forward… pressure -- be a pain, if I need to be a pain, which in some peoples’ minds is not that hard.

“I arrived, and it nudged the process forward,’’ said Bush, making his first visit to Israel as president in this, his second day of talks with leaders here. “I am confident, that with proper help, a Palestinian state will emerge… I am confident that the status quo is unacceptable.’’

Bush, whose long motorcade climbed the mountainous road leading to Ramallah on a cold, misty day, was asked at his press conference with Abbas – filled with a crowd of local television cameras --- about an annoyance which many Palestinians voice – the Israeli police checkpoints that dot this hilly region.

“I can understand why the Palestinians are frustrated driving through check-points,’’ Bush said, saying he also understands the concern that Israeli leaders have for security.

“You’ll be happy to hear that my motorcade of a mere 45 cars was able to make it through without being stopped. I’m not so sure that happens to the average person,’’ he said.

Bush also was asked how a peaceful settlement can be reached amid continuing attacks against Israel by Hamas, the militant Islamic organization that controls the Gaza Strip. He said it will come with Palestinians facing a choice between the “status quo’’ of life today and the vision of a democratic new state.

“The vision of the Palestinian state is one of contiguous territory… Swiss cheese isn’t going to work when it comes to the outlines of a state,’’ he said. “The ultimate vision, of course, is that there will be no checkpoints… I can understand frustrations. I hear it a lot. I heard the chief negotiator spent two hours at a checkpoint. All he was trying to do is go negotiate… I also understand… he average citizen wants to know whether there is going to be protection from the violent few who murder. The security of a state is essential.’’

“These checkpoints reflect a reality,’’ Bush said. “What we’re trying to do is alter that reality by laying out a vision that is much more helpful than the status quo.’’

“We can chart a hopeful future, and that’s exactly what this process is intended to do,’’ he said. “I am confident that two democratic states living side by side in peace is in the interest of not only the Israelis’’ but also the entire region.

“The choice is clear among Palestinians,’’ Bush said, facing the Palestinian press and their banks of cameras. “Do you want this state, or do you want the status quo… do you want the future, based on a democratic state, or do you want the same old stuff?’’

Pressed about how Hamas might be controlled, Bush said: ““Gaza is a tough situation… but I know this, it cant be solved unless the president has a vision that he can lay out to the people… Here’s the choice, do you want the chaos… or do want the vision of someone who negotiated a peace with Israel.’’

Hamas, Bush said here, has promised progress but has “delivered nothing but misery… I am convinced his government will yield a hopeful future… The best way to make that clear is to have a vision that is understandable.

“That’s what I’m talking about,’’ Bush said. “I’m talking about a clear defined state around which people can rally.’’

Asked how the Gaza situation might be resolved in the long run, Bush said: “he definition of long run, I don’t know what that means. I’m not a timetable person.’’ – and then, with a laugh, he said, “actually I am on a timetable. I’ve got 12 months.’’

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Bush's sense of urgency is less about peace in Israel than it is about his trying to accomplish something positive before he leaves office. Right now there is nothing that his administration can point to as being positive and constructive. His administration will have only a legacy of ineptitude, incompetency, arrogance, and destruction.

This is not about Bush bashing or Bush hating, but about the reality of the 8 years of his service.


This is not about Bush bashing or Bush hating, but about the reality of the 8 years of his service.

Posted by: GW | January 10, 2008 8:12 AM

Couldn't have said it any better.


President Bush has proven to be a weak leader with poor judgement and questionable objectives.

The President continues to pursue bellicose and aggressive designs in the Middle East even while mouthing the formulae of the failed and poorly conceived Roadmap for Peace.

One can only fear the secret covenants and proticols that he will commit this country to on this MidEast trip.

The Aemrican people must hold the President's supporters accountable and repudiate pre-emptively repudiate any secret agreements and arms deals that the President may offer.


GW,very well stated.

75-80 % of Americans know exactly to the day when we get rid of the most disastrous admin in history.


More important then Mideast peace or lack thereof is the US housing crisis. Highest foreclosure rate since the great depression.
But thumbs up from Mr. Bush on how great the economy is doing. Its especially good if your a CEO.


GW, Bush has accomplished many positive things during his presidency:
1. Freedom for Iraqis. I ask you and your lefty friends if you would consider freedom for Kosovo a positive Clinton achievement?
2. Economic growth for every quarter from the 1st Q of 2002 to today.
3. Tax cuts for ALL.
4. No Child Left Behind.
5. No terrorist act within the U.S. or against a U.S. interest since 9/11. Who would have thought no attacks in over 6 years?
6. While I disagree with the program, there is the expansion of Medicare to include prescription coverage.
7. The nominations of John Roberts and Sam Alito.
8. THE MOST DIVERSE cabinet in U.S. history, and without making a big deal out of it either.
8. Unemployment that has averaged lower during his presidency than any since the 1950s.
9. A better agreement with the North Koreans than the one North Korea cheated on with Clinton and Carter.
10. The efforts to combat AIDS in Africa, something U2's Bono says, "is the most done by any U.S. administration."


Peace is not on the horizon as :
1.Abbas is not a strong leader.
2.Most arabs support terror.
3.Most Israelis will not abandon the Land of Israel that they consider theirs since 4000 years as explained at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2008/01/back-to-mishnah.html


I thought Bush didn't believe in timetables?


Yes, Bush is so "passionate" about peace between Israel and Palestine that this is his first trip to Israel since he became president.

More stenography from the Great Bush Stenographer Mark Silva.


GW, I completely agree. Bush is simply trying to salvage his legacy.


12 more months with this idiot president? No wonder Hillary cried.

I'm will to bet all true Americans have cried over the Bush debacle over the years.


GW you forgot a couple of things.

SPENDING and lack of accountability.


This is just so much fluff. Bush has ALWAYS been on a timetable, ever since he stepped into the Oval Office, and he's frittered it all away. To say that, after 7 years with his head up his butt, NOW he feels a sense of urgency is just plain insulting -- to us, to him, and to everyone involved.


I can appreciate his efforts, but they come so late they appear insincere, a desperate act to save his own legacy rather than to really accomplish peace in the region. His lack of character, honesty and integrity, has cost him any leadership role, here and abroad.


Well if W says it will be done in a year I guess that makes it so. I wonder what was going wrong the Muslim-Jewish relationship during the past 2000 years? Was it that they were waiting for a born again Christian to show them the way?


Bush thinks he can achieve mideast peach in 12 months?

Wayne Campbell claims that in the next 12 months monkeys will fly out of his butt.


ah yes; 'command diplomacy'. It always works.


I wonder if this is part of the timetable scenario?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/world/middleeast/11iraq.html?hp


It is great to see President Bush expending so much effort to try to bring peace to the Middle East and the world. He's doing more than ALL of the other national leaders combined. Others talk a good game and do nothing. President Bush walks the talk. His efforts, if successful, will benefit us all.


GW has stated the exact truth.

Consider too what talents or credentials Bush has to bring to this business.

Precisely none. His a boring, uninformed drone, discredited in all his policies.

Well, it likely feels good for this terrible president, unpopular with his own people, to go over to Israel to get lots of cheers and welcomes.

Israel likes him because he smashed their greatest old enemy, and he has given them support for whatever they've chosen to do, including the invasion of Lebanon, killing 1500 civilians and leaving behind a million cluster bomb bomblets, all on the flimiest of excuses.

Bush and Olmert are both men who've never seen a bombing run they didn't like. They're still buzzing about attacking Iran.

And the simple truth is they are both war criminals.


Bush all of sudden decided that there has to be peace in the Mid East because of HIS schedule. It's amazing anyone takes us seriously anymore (or do they?). Gotta love it.


Once again, boy gorge is living in a fantasy world. Bring peace to the middle east? ROTFLMAO! They've been trying THAT for thousands of years,and he thought he could do it in Iraq, and so far he's failed miserably (like all his business ventures) and he'll fail in this too. The sooner we get this moron off the world stage the sooner we can get around to picking up the last few vestiges of pride we have left (150000 dead Iraqis, dollar weaker against everybody including Canada, tax cuts for the rich, Enron, mission accomplished, leaking CIA names, destroying evidence, firing for political gain, lied about his drunk driving arrest, signing statements, torture, pardoning his drinking buddies, destroying the Constitution etc etc etc - http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm)
and try to get the world to respect us again.

What a joke this is. The worst vice president in the history of the universe.

He is the real betrayus!


NA NA NA NA. NA NA, GOODBYE.

NA NA NA NA. NA NA NA NA. GOODBYE - GOODBYE.

I JUST HOPE HE DOESN'T TAKE US WITH HIM AND ALL OF HIS "PHONY ACHIEVEMENTS"

NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY, GOOD BYE. ONE MORE TIME....FOR THE NEXT 299 DAYS. WE HOPE!


He had 7 years to resolve the problem, but focused his attention on Iraq and the "fictitious" War and Terror. The War on Terror was a concoction of his neocon advisors, all Zionists, to allow Israel to build the Gulag inspired-wall to fragment what little was left of Palestinian land. The "status quo" as Bush so aptly put it is a fragmented nation. The alternative is no better until "the Gulag wall" is demolished so that the true boundaries of a Palestinian state can be realized; otherwise, it still remains an occupation. What are Israelis concessions? Heaven knows, the Palestinians have conceded both land and innocent lives just to be heard. (Please refer to the web site to enlighten yourself on the disparity of reporting on deaths in the Palestinian terrritory). http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/nyt-report.html


All of these comments from the grandest idiots from the idiot world, otherwise known as the Loony Left. Here, Bush is trying to get a peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and all the Loony Left can do is deride and put forth their continual hate and childish, ill-informed meanderings. I thought the Left believed in peace and that peace should be first and foremost, and that every effort should be made to attain peace, and that we should talk with everyone and all parties?
The most worthless and worst mankind has to offer: The Loony Left.


"Posted by: John D | January 10, 2008 2:45 PM"

Oh, shrivel up and disappear, you twerp.

Bush is no more going to effect peace between Israel and Palestine that I am, and he knows it. And he can no more achieve peace between Israel and Palestine than he can within Iraq -- he knows THAT, too. He's had plenty of time to work on either or both, and he hasn't seen fit to do anything about either one. And as for hatred, John D? I have no hate for anyone at all -- just speaking the clear, sane, honest truth, the same as YOU do, o great worse than the worst.


The most worthless and worst mankind has to offer: The Loony Left.

Posted by: John D | January 10, 2008 2:45 PM


John D. Once again you prove that you argue without knowledge or substance. At least the "Loony Left" can rightfully boast that they are well-informed, and NOT MINDLESS ZOMBIES as you appear to be. If the shoe fits, wear it, John D. - that is if you can tell right from left, or is it right from wrong?


"JOHN D SPEAKS"

I'M THROWING A BUBBA BURGER PARTY AT THE WHITE HOUSE. ANYONE THAT JUMPS IN THE POOL BUTT NAKED GETS A BUBBA BURGER.

SO KARL, HARRIET, ALBERTO, FRED, DAVID, DICK, CONDI, SARA, MONICA AND ALL OF THEIR LAWYERS ARE WELCOME TO COME.

PLEASE BRING SALT!


Oh JohnD, if there's any hate and/or childish in this thread, it's in your posts. Why do you hate yourself so much you continue to display your lack of education and class here day in and day out? Really, you should start a blog for yourself, Paulo and Jerry White, Springfield. We'd be sorry to see you go... NOT!


All of these comments from the grandest idiots from the idiot world, otherwise known as the Loony Left. Here, Bush is trying to get a peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and all the Loony Left can do is deride and put forth their continual hate and childish, ill-informed meanderings. I thought the Left believed in peace and that peace should be first and foremost, and that every effort should be made to attain peace, and that we should talk with everyone and all parties?
The most worthless and worst mankind has to offer: The Loony Left.
___________________________

Blah blah blah....
Yeah, cause we know that if it was Gore or Kerry trying to accomplish the same thing, jd would be all like "You go boy!"

But that's ok, because for the next two administrations, jd will have lots of chances to show his bipartisan spirit by rooting for Democratic Presidential accomplishment.


You've had 7 years Bozo. Go home and start drinking again. The party's over but there's still some Bud in the fridge.


I remember well the RNC Wingnuts trashing Bill Clinton in 2000 for trying to get a peace deal. It was there except for dumb ass Yasir Arafat.

Now Dubya comes along and says he wants a peace deal. Why? Because he'll be leaving office in a year. There you have it. What Israelis or Palestinians wouldn't want a peace deal so that Dubya can claim some sort of legacy out of his 25% approval rating failed presidency?

What a buffoon. What a goof. What a nincompoop. What an ignoramus.


This afternoon I was relaxing in my favorite latte' shop, reading the local liberal weekly with a copy of Maureen Dowd's latest book handy, when I noticed a odd looking duck at a nearby table.

He looked different from the usual collection of young kids, old hippies, semi retired dudes, ladies, and other varieties of 'people watching' patrons of this particular coffee joint.

He can only be described as 'Blowfeld in a cheap suit and 80's power tie'. He was short, overweight, sweaty, and had a shaved bullet shaped head.

He was banging away on his laptop, and a voice in my head kept screaming 'Crazy John! Crazy John!'.

I couldn't resist, so I very nonchalantly got up and walked past him, looking at the screen on his laptop. Sure enough, he was in a blog box!

Was it the Swamp? Who knows. I doubt it. I'm too far West of the Missouri for that, I suppose.

Anyways, he was a real candie for the 'professional middle aged angry white RNC professional blogger award' in my estimation.


Let's see, a timetable, a deadline, a hard line.

Won't the parties just wait him out, then discard the whole endeavor?

Bush is like an authoritarian father trying to potty train a two year old with a rolled up newspaper.


"And the simple truth is they are both war criminals.

Posted by: John Chuckman, Toronto, Canada | January 10, 2008 11:19 AM"

JC,
And to think a majority of Americans thought GWB was more 'likable' and would have preferred to 'have a beer' (ha ha until the fight started) with him than Kerry.

Swamp Poll;
Who would you rather have a beer with?;

1. John D
2. Crazy Joe Devola
3. Charley Manson


John D., you know these people on the far left. If Bush does nothing, he gets criticized. If he tries to do something, he gets criticized. I don't blame Bush for ignoring these wackjobs. The guy could cure cancer tomorrow, and these idiots would say he did it to enrich his drug company buddies.


Reamer,
I would have to go with Crazy Joe Devola, if you mean the malevolent clown on Seinfeld.

He seems the safest bet anyway.


John D's Matrix

1. Freedom for Iraqi's--just don't wander out of your neighborhood, don't expect electricity or clean drinking water. If you do wander out, mind the sewer in the streets and make sure your will is made out.

2.Economic growth that benefited the wealthy and screwed the middle class

3.Regressive tax cuts for all. Don't spent your $300 all in one place

4.No Child Left Behind or was that no funding for No Child Left Behind?

5. No terrorist attacks since 9/11, really? What about the anthrax letters that killed 5 people and made seriously ill, 17 others? U.S. Intelligence agencies tell us that Iraq war has made terrorism a greater threat worldwide, but not in Streamwood.

6. Medicare prescription drug program, a windfall for the Pharmaceutical Industry. The largest insured group that can't use their numbers to negotiate price breaks.

7. The nomination of Roberts and Alito was a good thing? Maybe in the minds of the 26%er's.

8. Most diverse cabinet in history? Diversity of race but not of thought. A whole cadre of yes-men and women. Real diversity, the Lincoln cabinet (Team of Rivals).

8(a)? Employment--How are those Walmart Jobs working out America?

9.Korea--You mean the agreement that Rice had to break Mr. "Axis of Evil's" arm to negotiate, and in the end was ridiculed on both ends of the political spectrum?:

From the right, national security hard-liners argued that the United States should have held out for a broader deal in which North Korea agreed to declare and dismantle its entire nuclear program. From the left, Democrats argued that the deal reached was no better than one that the United States could have gotten four years ago, long before North Korea's nuclear program advanced to the point of a nuclear test.

10. Aids--grade, Incomplete but there's still time to get one thing right:

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-11-07/the-bush-record-on-aids


Herbie,

Welcome to the Karmic justice for Clinton haters.

Reamer,

None of the above? How about Krugman or maybe Mark Silva (so I can pester him about his photo equipment).

John D.,

The ECT treatments usually take several attempts to take. Don't despair, check back in to UCMC and bite on the towel a few more times, the change will do you good:

A Swamp Change (apologies to Sheryl Crow)

Ten years living in a paper bag
Crazy John Devola, he’s a flipped out cat
He’s a platinum canary, drinkin’ Falstaff beer
Murano rule, and his Mommy dear
Bottom feeder insincere
Prophet propane pioneer
Sell the house and go to school
Get a young boyfriend, Foley's jewell

A change would do you good
A change would do you good

The Swamp's little gift is on the rag
Poster bruce serving up his latest nag
MSM and Jekyll and Hyde
Every one's plotting for the other side
Dope of Des Plaines, aging boob
Dinner’s at six, wear your cement shoes
We thought you were whinin' your heart out for free
But your lips were syncing for the RNC

A change would do you good
A change would do you good

Chasing dragons with plastic swords
Jack off Jerry, of Springfield lore.
Limpbaugh blaring through his basement door
And Terry's calling Reagan on the Ouija board
James has been thinking ’bout catching a train
Leave his phone machine by the radar range
Hello it’s me, I’m not at home
If you’d like to reach me, leave me alone

A change would do you good
A change would do you good
Hello, it’s me, I’m not at home
If you’d like to reach me, leave me alone

A change would do you good
A change would do you good


Mr. Reamer,

Whadda'Yat?
I must say, b'y. Only some Canucklehead would consider a Joe Jebus Classic with any of the aforementioned hosers. Besides, Yank beer is for children and the elderly.

And what's with Johnny-no-stars from Streamwood, eh? Pre, my arse. He looks like some joe boo who's had 20 Timbits too many. I mean, look at the Molson Muscle on that Yankee Hoover.


"5. No terrorist act within the U.S. or against a U.S. interest since 9/11. Who would have thought no attacks in over 6 years?"

Don't be so sure:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320347,00.html

Why has Bush ignored this Terrorist attack? Why is he so weak on terror? Why does John D hate American Diplomats and ignore the terrorist who attack them?


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