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Bill Clinton and the Obama 'fairy tale'

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Posted January 8, 2008 4:47 PM
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by Frank James

The very thing that Sen. Hillary Clinton doesn't need is what she got from her husband and former President Bill Clinton last night at a campaign event at Dartmouth College.

That's where he accused the media of being soft on Sen. Barack Obama, of having a double standard when it comes to the Illinois senator and the former First Lady.

In response to a student's question about a misjudgment made by Mark Penn, the New York senator's pollster, who sent a memo after the Iowa caucuses that dismissed, prematurely, as it turned out, Obama's bounce in the New Hampshire polls, the former president veered off to attack Obama.

An indignant, finger-pointing Clinton said:

"But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. 'It doesn't matter that I started running for president less a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois State Senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I'm the only one who had the judgment to oppose this war from the beginning. Always, always, always.' "

"First it is factually not true that everybody that supported that resolution supported Bush attacking Iraq before the UN inspectors were through. Chuck Hagel was one of the co-authors of that resolution. The only Republican Senator that always opposed the war. Every day from the get-go. He authored the resolution to say that Bush could go to war only if they didn't co-operate with the inspectors and he was assured personally by Condi Rice as many of the other Senators were. So, first the case is wrong that way."

"Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break.

"This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen...So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing calling Hillary the Senator from Punjab? Did you like that?"

"Or what about the Obama hand out that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook? Scouring me, scathing criticism, over my financial reports. Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon.

"So, you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want. It wasn't his best day. He was hurt, he felt badly that we didn't do better in Iowa. But you know, the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and the other is negative when I know the reverse is true and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months, is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that's in the media, doesn't mean the facts aren't out there.

"Otherwise I do not have any strong feelings about that subject."

Obama responded to Clinton in a very measured way, saying essentially that it was an attack born of the Clinton camp's frustration and that he expected the Clinton campaign would get back on track soon enough.

Watch the video below for Obama's response.

The problem for Sen. Clinton is this. She didn't need the distraction of her husband attacking Obama.

Everyone can understand the former president's desire to stand up for his wife.

But by wading in the way he did, he once again eclipsed her. Why would he want to do that in the hours before such a crucial election?

Another problem: when he gets angry as he did Monday night, he reminds people of some of the worst moments of his presidency, especially the infamous, finger wagging performance when he asserted that he didn't have a relationship with Monica Lewinsky.

That's poison for the New York senator's campaign. The downside of the Clinton years and the specter of a repeat of such messy drama in another Clinton White House is what makes many voters reluctant about voting for the senator.

Obama is riding a wave of a public hungry for change and more than a little leery of extending the dynastic string of presidents. All the former president's anger at the media, or fate, won't change that.

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Aaaah, we see the real guy again! When that finger comes out and he gets that mean look in his eye! Every once in awhile, we see the real Bill Clinton and this was one of those times! But I suppose the Clintons aren't use to not getting the break from the media. Hey they handed over the digital spectrum worth billions and doesn't the media still owe them?


Come on Big Dog, this is Baracks time and America knows it.


The Repubs lost out big-time when George "Macaca" Allen bit the dust.

Allen is what you get when you combine Ron Paul's racism, Romney's ability to talk without actually saying anything and Grandpa Fred's folksy, southern incoherence. He was the perfect GOPer candidate.


The Clinton era is over.

Obama in 2008 and beyond!!!


The war is not between Hillary and Obama, it is between the rich and the poor, the haves and the have nots, the oil/hedgefund/war group and the struggling to buy milk, gas and education group. The media will sooner or later lay waste to Obama as well, just as swiftly as they built him up. Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz and Rove are escaping relatively unscathed from this morass, and Lord knows they are responsible for this recession, this doomed invasion, and the loss of jobs for the sake of higher stock prices. This country is doomed, and President Obama will of course be blamed for it. You'll see.


I actually don't have a problem that Bill went after Obama simply because, the truth is, Hillary cannot. She cannot be openly furious or openly vent about the so-called "soft media coverage" of Barack because if she did, the media would call her a "B*tch" for doing it. So, Bill has to do her bidding for her. I am fine with it, and as a woman I am very sympathetic to her plight and the narrow "plank" she must walk. I don't think it hurts her campaign -- but, it will not stop the Obama wave. It's gaining strength and will soon be unstoppable. Go, Barack, Go!!


A lot of ugly words today to remember:

WJC headstone: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

HRC headstone: "I mean, this is very personal for me."

Also available for NY Times reporters who backed the wrong horse, "Some of us are right, and some are not," and "I just don't want to see us fall backwards as a nation."

For the really special Clinton supporters, "It took a President to get it done," and "'Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated.' We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely."

How do these people want to be remembered?


i think the battle for the democratic nomination is going to turn very nasty in the next few weeks


Obama is riding the wave of corporate media over promotion. Suspect. An America hundry for substantive change would be excited about John Edwards. But, they figure he's only a fringe candidate because that's how corporate media treats the only candidate that truly threatens the gross inbalance of corporate power in this country.


Great reporting and commentary Frank. I have never been a huge fan of video clips on the Tribune website before, but this is a great way to integrate the two media. Good job Tribbers!

Now I'm just waiting for next week's Sunday insert of Parade that shows Hillary winning in Iowa. Just kidding.


The real battle here is between the American people and themselves. We've got to dissuade ourselves of the notion that good government is government we don't have to do anything about. Whoever is elected president, we need to hold their feet to the fire the next four years to give them the political will to get things done.

Power to the peoples! Dick Durbin for V.P.!


"THE MEDIA SPEAKS"

BILL CLINTON THIS, BILL CLINTON THAT. OBAMA THIS, OBAMA THAT.

WHAT IS CHANGE IN AMERICA?

IMPEACHMENT
ALL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT UNDER HOMELAND SECURITY, I.E. SEC. OF DEFENCE, SEC OF INTERIOR, SEC OF TREASURY, SEC OF AGRICULTURE, COMMISSIONER OF IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION.
LESS OF A "CONGRESSIONAL CHURN" TOWARDS CONSTITUTIONAL OVERSIGHT.

THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEFORE A YOUNG BLACK SENATOR IN A CAGED BLACK VOTER SUPPRESSED AMERICA.

YEA, THE MEDIA SPEAKS, OBAMA, OBAMA, KNOWING THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE REGARDING THE BLACK VOTE IN AMERICA.

THE CAGED VOTE IN 2001, 2004 AND NOW WITH REDISTRICTING AND THE SWORN TESTIMONY OF SARA TAYLOR AND MONICA GOODLING ACCUSING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OF VOTER SUPPRESSION BOTH HERE AND ABROAD BY CAGING VOTES.

ALBERTO GONZALES SOLD MEXICAN AMERICANS, LATINOS, AND BLACK AMERICA TO REGENTS UNIVERSITY.

CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT, OBAMA FOR VICE PRESIDENT, THEN HE CAN LEARN.

COLON POWELL FOR SECRETARY OF STATE!


It doesn't come as a surprise to me that Hillary became teary eyed. She's had a rough haul and I'm sure exhaustion has taken its toll. I'm also sure that the political nay sayers will look upon her tears as weakness when in essence, they are an example of her strength. As a woman, I can identify with her frustration. As a voter, I feel her pain. I see so many things that need change in our government, from the highest to the lowest levels, in our educational system, (I am a public school teacher and know first hand the problems therein) and in our state and local governments. When Obama speaks of change, he uses exceptionally expressive language; it's almost a love poem courting the American public. But pretty words do not make policy and pretty words can't salvage the lives lost in Iraq. I look at my senior students and with the majority of them approaching their 18th birthdays, I fear that unless something is done in Iraq, their lives will be at risk. I firmly believe that Hillary has the strength and stamina, the foresight and conviction, the intelligence and integrity, and the gumption to become President of the United States and bring pride and honor back to the office. It takes a great deal of courage to do what she is doing and I don't think she'll give up without a fight. As far as I'm concerned, Obama is still of the old party--the party of men who think they have all the answers. Barack Obama is too green and has yet to withstand the pummeling Hillary Clinton has already weathered. I think it's time for the American public to open their minds and check the box that would nominate Hillary Clinton, an extraordinary woman, to run against the Republicans in this presidential race. I know that I will.
Barbara Yohnka


oblama better sharpen his knives....carville & begala are now on board..this is gonna get ugly


Bill Clinton was being gallant in defending his wife; however, there is a time for gallantry and a time for truth. Frankly, Obama may have good intentions, but I am wary about those behind him who may be pulling his strings. There is the saying, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Will Obama be the exception? We may well find out.


Three years ago I heard many African-Americans like myself hoping for Hillary Clinton to run for office and clean-up the mess President G. W. Bush has created. Now as I listen to many radio stations geared toward my population, we have turned our back on the Clinton's. I like Obama; however I believe he would serve better as a cabinet member or vice-president. I truly love Hillary for what she stands for in America. Whoever wins the democratic primary, I will support 100 percent.


The Clinton campaign has been peddling the same quote since March 2007 for goodness sake! (It's there in the link - Washington post article)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031902165.html

This is just Bill getting frustrated. I think Barack's explanation is perfectly credible!

I think this argument from Bill stinks, and the whole argument that his senate votes have been the same as Hillary most of the time irrelevant, cocky, and presumptuous.

Maybe Hillary copied Obama? Maybe they just agreed? Although certainly not on Iraq.


Clinton is in a sense correct. The media (85% Democrat-voting) fawns over Hillary, but REALLY toadies to Barack H. Obama.


By the way,

Does this mean that the Clinton campaign thinks voting like Hillary is a bad thing?

(I cant believe my ears!)


Obama promised “change” in Illinois too -- but failed to deliver anything. He has NEVER inititated or supported the kind of fundamental changes that would rid this city and state of the politics as usual that has crippled it. On the contrary, he has supported, and benefited politically and financially from our corrupt system here.

The media has an obligation to provide a more insightful and meaningful exploration of Obama's record -- or rather lack of a record – on the issue of “change” in Chicago and Illinois.

This guy is a con man, folks, who has focused almost entirely in Illinois on cutting deals to enrich himself and his wife and running for president on our dime.


Up until today I was a fan of the former President Clinton, but as a former Democratic President his comments were completely out of line. He looked like a vindictive husband defending his wife and not a former President. I have never supported Hillary (I am still a Richardson supporter) but I have now lost all respect for Bill too.

I have always voted Democratic in the Presidential election, but if Hillary somehow manages to win the nomination there is no way I will vote for her (can you say "time for a third party?")


I am a fan of Hillary Clinton and agree that the press has not been fair to her and gives Obama a free ride.


All things aside, I believe a winning team for this nation is Obama/Clinton. Hilary and Bill's political savvy and deep relationships to help support Barack as he leads our country into a new era.


The only people who will make a real change are Obama and Edwards. Clinton always says she has the most experience. What does that change. Experience is not the most important thing in the world. She well barely do better then Bush. Her husband is not helping. Obama is best overall. He just has to be careful of the republicans. They will try to make him look like he stupid, and say mean things about. I think Obama rocks.


Clinton is in a sense correct. The media (85% Democrat-voting) fawns over Hillary, but REALLY toadies to Barack H. Obama.

Posted by: Bruce | January 8, 2008 6:12 PM

Cry me a river Bruce. Sorry your republican masters are getting their a%s handed to them. Bill sounds like a vindictive, out of touch, dinosaur.

Whine all you want about Obama, but people believe in the guy. You just can't handle it.

Repeat after me... PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!


Bill's mad because he knows how bad it's going to be living with Hillary if she loses the nomination. But, then again they really don't live together so maybe it's just Bill being Bill when he can't distort the facts to his prefered fictional account of history.

BTW, where's old VP Al Gore? Why isn't he campaigning for Hillary? Does he know some secrets we should?


Bill Clinton and the Obama "fairy tale" what a "desperate" attack. I'd just laugh it off and say Mr Clinton... your whole life is based upon "fairy tales"... both in business as well as "personal".. but we won't go there.!


Barack does not have the experience to run the White House nor does he ever state in detail how he is going to change things. Although he is an excellent speaker it is amazing that people vote for an important job such as the presidency with only the promise of change. CEO's of major companies are not chosen on their speaking abilities alone but there experience to get the job done! If corporations just based their CEO choices on their verbal skills and their promise to make the company grow, cut the bottom line, and become more profitable with out any experience to back it up, those corporations would have a high chance of losing money if not going bankrupt. This is why CEOs are chosen based on their record of performance and their specific ideas on how they are going to accomplish their positive change. The President is the CEO of our Federal Government; this is the most challenging job than any other CEO of any corporation. Why would any one nominate someone to that position with out a record or a detailed plan on accomplishing this needed change? Clinton has a long record of positive change and in her debates she actually gives details on how she would go about changing things that currently need change. It is also a shame that some media, some women, and some men hold women to a different standard. A man running for president would never be called a bitch if speaking sternly, seriously, etc. Of any group, women are the only people that discriminate against themselves! If all women did not allow this double standard it would not exist. It is also a shame that most of the media is trying to sway the election in Barack’s favor. This is the United States, not a communistic country where we filter what should or should not be said based on who one wants to win. Both Clinton and Edwards would be a great ticket. Barack I would like to see run for president after he has more experience, a record, and details about his ideas on running the Executive Branch of the United States Federal Government.


Bill/Hillary desperately wants to get back into the White House. He turns red as a beet at the thought of not making it again and taking the press on a merry go round trying to catch up with his sexual trysts. He loves that game. He and Hillary/Bill are so pissed off at Obama because he has made them have to work harder than they planned. Who'd have thought that Hillary/Bill would be almost in tears at the prospect of a black person, challenging their entitlement. Bill/Hillary was more heated than I have ever seen him. His attitude is "who is this unclean negro who is making my wife work?" They are so good at being slick.


What has Obama done for Illinois? - Nothing I can see. I remember promises made before he became Senator and I voted for him. Remember the saying...Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... I won't be fooled again.
Obama won't get my vote.


The Clintons are scum. I have no use for either of them. I won't vote for a Republican, but I won't vote for Hillary! either.


Bill Clinton: "What did you think about the Obama thing calling Hillary the Senator from Punjab? Did you like that?"

Uh, Bill...that's how Hillary described herself before a meeting she had with Indian supporters.

Beyond that, Obama's apologized for that remark, he read the riot act to his staff about it - what more can he do? Hillary's had 'moments' with her campaign she had to apologize to Obama about. Why don't you let the two campaigns work things out themselves, and you STAY OUT OF IT. You sound like a mother hen.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/15clinton.htm
The D-Punjab reference apparently refers to a joke Senator Clinton made last year, at a fund-raiser hosted by New York-based hotelier and top Democratic fund-raiser Sant Singh Chatwal. 'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' she had said on that occasion.


Any of you Obamabots want to change your story now?

Maybe, just maybe you might want to look at the substance of what YOUR FORMER LEADER had to say. John E even calls him "the big dog," whatever that's supposed to mean.

Your candidate has a huge credibility problem and democrats will listen when Bill Clinton explains it for them. I quote:

""Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break."

The voters of New Hampshire picked up on it, and every democrat across this country will. Time to bring out some substance. Your guy won't be handed this office by the press like he was a U.S. Senate seat. You're in a fight and there aren't many fights that the Clintons don't win.


The voters of New Hampshire picked up on it, and every democrat across this country will. Time to bring out some substance. Your guy won't be handed this office by the press like he was a U.S. Senate seat. You're in a fight and there aren't many fights that the Clintons don't win.

Posted by: Jeff | January 8, 2008 11:16 PM


Get lost you pinhead, your hero won ONE STATE and here you are walking around with a puffed out chest.

The "Republican" brand name is sh*t and that's not going to change between now and Nov, Mr Pencilneck.


Hey folks, a little sanity here. We Dems have 2 great candidates and it is refreshing to see the spirit of debate amongst ourselves. No matter who tops the primaries, Obama or Clinton, one will support the other, no way around it. Unless we allow the Reps to tear us apart.


The Clinton campaign has been peddling the same quote since March 2007 for goodness sake! (It's there in the link - Washington post article)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/19/AR2007031902165.html

This is just Bill getting frustrated. I think Barack's explanation is perfectly credible!

I think this argument from Bill stinks, and the whole argument that his senate votes have been the same as Hillary most of the time irrelevant, cocky, and presumptuous.

Maybe Hillary copied Obama? Maybe they just agreed? Although certainly not on Iraq.


Get lost you pinhead, your hero won ONE STATE and here you are walking around with a puffed out chest.

The "Republican" brand name is sh*t and that's not going to change between now and Nov, Mr Pencilneck.

Posted by: John E | January 8, 2008 11:56 PM


Ahhh, now the great mind has resorted to name calling. It must get lonely in mommy's basement.

Frank James, how are "pinhead and pencilneck" not personal attacks? How are they not more fit for a third grade playground than a serious debate? Is sh*t acceptable here because you star the i? Great standards.


Oh what a vicious parade of blog comments! I can't even look at my own earlier post without shaking my head in some disbelief. Bill Clinton's remarks made me THAT angry?

When Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton speaks, or when a supporter of theirs comments, for some reason, the conversation becomes bitter, angry, and partisan. I wonder why? I really do. I stood in line to shake Mrs. Clinton's hand when she wrote about the Village. She was one of my heroes then. I proudly passed that (staff-)signed book to a young Parisian lawyer who said she wanted to be the President of France some day. I still think Hillary Clinton is a beautiful and accomplished woman of modest personal achievement but great historical importance. As I have followed the campaigns, however, all I see is the kind of verbal feuding that inebriated people on Cops engage in. Whenever I write a paragraph containing the C-word, I feel dirty. That doesn't happen when I talk about Edwards, McCain, Biden, Kucinich, Paul, Giuliani, Huckabee, Dodd, Gravel, or Thompson. Just the C-word, the C-name.

I think I will try to write more paragraphs that contain only the name Obama, and not the C-name, because the Obama campaign always brings me back to thoughtful and reasonable reflection on the purposes of the nation, the problems we face together, and the best possibilities of our individual and collective achievement.


All I want to get asked of these candidates is: "Why is it that everything you propose is unConstitutional big government? Haven't you learned that socialism will never work?"

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton saying that someone else isn't being completely factual? That's gotta be the ironic statement of the century!


The Clintons aren't tough; they're just mean. And very thin-skinned. I don't think they have one honest bone between them. Her emoting? I don't think Senator Clinton takes a breath without first calculating its effect on her campaign.


Even more unwarranted, tasteless, tacky, personal attacks by the former "first black president" to the would-be actual first black president. Well, you'd think after getting busted by DNA evidence, his license revoked, disbarred, impeached, etc. - the "first black president" would quit playing lawyer – or maybe that's why he thinks we like him: http://theseedsof9-11.com


At the end of the day it doesn't matter who you vote for, because they are all in bed with some special interest group that only cares about advancing "Big Business". This country has stopped being about the people along time ago. This a Dictatorship run by "Big Business", and until people are willing to unite, sacrifice days off work, days without consummation, standing up for their rights like in the past, we will never make change in this nation that is on its downward spiral. It hasn’t been any dynasty that lasted forever. We need economic strikes. Do not spend any money for a few days, and see how "Big Business" hurts. I am still waiting for some type of change in the Constitution, or a New Amendment stopping what happened when George W. Bush stole the Presidency the first time. The main issue right now is rebuilding the economy that George W. Bush destroyed Power to the people.


Remember, New Hampshire voted for GWB in 2000. Live free or die. Methinks the latter for voting for HILLARY INC. I think another poster pinned the "fairy tail" on the donkey literally. President Obama is going to be inheriting a horrible economy. Can he either charm or work his his way out of it? The repulsicans do not have a solid candidate right now and will throw a bone to McCain. They will regroup...sadly.


What the MSM is trying to create is an environment of hostility between the two camps.
The fact remains, a Clinton/Obama ticket can be be a powerful ticket (remember JFK/LBJ?) OR ALL of us will demand to DRAFT AL GORE in order to win back our country!!! (our preference)
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Vegas, NV 89142


Would we elect our local city council person by the superficially vetting we are giving the candidates of both parties?
Gushing over a candidate is not the same as critically analyzing their respective backgrounds. Get real!


Barack Obama is superior to all of the people running for the presidency. Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton are angry about this fact. All Hilary knows to do is cry. She can serve tea like when she was first lady in the White House. Plus Bill and Hilary sound racist too. Obama and his wife are not racist. Obama will be an excellent president. A fine Christian, highly educated, nationally and internationally experienced in politics and societal needs.


www.dropthebama.com ?


I think one thing we all must think about is that with Hillary in the White House, What will be different from before? We all know the Clinton's politics and the way they run things. Furthermore one other factor remains, How much will other countries around the world respect the USA with a female president when in many countries they don't give women that same level of respect as they should which could undermine her positions on foreign policy. Not saying she couldn't be president but there are a lot of factors to consider. While Obama is talking change, that is different for a lot of Americans. He brings a upbeat tone to the whole presidential race the people like. I know people try to make it a race issue, but a question to both blacks and whites, when you can't find a job or feed your family, your marriage is on the rocks and you can't afford healthcare for you sick child...Does is really matter who(or what color) gives you help as long as you get it?? This country is in a bad economic state and no matter who is to blame I want something different. Hillary says Obama is feeding people false hope, well sometimes hope is all you got and she wants to take that away, I don't get it! Now Bill Clinton (whom I voted for) is trying to attack Obama for the same platform that he ran on for his election CHANGE...if that isn't being a hypocrite I don't know what is. That really makes me wonder, if it was good for you then, why isn't it good now or are you Bill Clinton willing to do anything, even destroy the very black community of supporters,with your comments,that you have to along with Hillary's bid just to regain a power that you once had! Bill Clinton had his chance, now it's time for him to let his wife compete for hers or both of them should step aside, no wonder she was reluctant to let him speak for her!!


Hillary became Senator without answering one question. Where are the
Presidentional papers from
Clinton term? Did they lose them? God help us if
the Clintons get in the White House. I am a registered non-partisan.
If she represents Women what women has a big ass she constantly tries to hide with a pant suit and
a nasty sarcastic mouth.
There is nothing femine about Hillary, Nothing.
Lets see her with her in a bathing suit. She is so out of shape "I don't think she could run a block without falling over."
I want a femate that is a
female that doesn't have to
resort to crying tactics and tantrums from her Bum of a husband. Get Real Democrats, the same old sam old crappy couple.Talk about the worst Presdident, how about all those pardons, and Sandy Berger. Lets talk about Sandy Berger the man who stole the Presidents papers. What did he do with them? Burned them in his fireplace. I could go on forever.........................


Do Hil and/or Bill really think African Americans will stand for their racist remarks and continue to give money and their votes to her campaign? We don't need explaination about what you mean when you lash out at Oboma. we go by what we here.


On the Monday before the New Hampshire vote the,the Clintons panicked and went negative.Hillarys speeches were about Obama's voting record when it turns out she voted for the sme things.Bills speeches were about his fairy tale record. The Clintons have yet to come out of the gutter.Fifty percent of what Hillarys says now is about Obama.She does'nt even try to hide the fact that she has gone totally negative.All the while Obama has stayed on point.If Hillary became totally unglued over the possibility of losing New Hampshire,what would she do in a real world crisis?


On the Monday before the New Hampshire vote the,the Clintons panicked and went negative.Hillarys speeches were about Obama's voting record when it turns out she voted for the same things.Bills speeches were about his fairy tale record. The Clintons have yet to come out of the gutter.Fifty percent of what Hillarys says now is about Obama.She does'nt even try to hide the fact that she has gone totally negative.All the while Obama has stayed on point.If Hillary became totally unglued over the possibility of losing New Hampshire,what would she do in a real world crisis?


ok look. As an african american in illinois who actually met barrack, and voted for bill I AM DISGUSTED!! How dare He and his wife attack anyone's judgement. They are pardoning for money, sellers of the white house bedrooms to interest groups hustlers I have ever met. IF hillary wins this nomination, myself and many other african americans will vote republican. If anyone doubts my comments....do the research.....white water,......Clinton's women etc. also look at who he has pardoned. IT SHOULD SHOCK YOU


I can't stomach (sorry) a woman criticizing a political candidate on HER FIGURE??!! It is this kind of nasty silliness that keeps sexism alive. Take yourself seriously before you expect anyone else to. H.Clinton is smarter than Obama and doesn't sound like a preacher. I have had enough muddling of church and state with Bush. Don't preach in our White House and we won't think in your church.


Did Bill Clinton realize the fairy tale was 'Camelot'?


I hate Clinton


The Billary era is over! With all the speculation surrounding the Democartic canditates - there are two things we KNOW for SURE: (1) Bill readily lies in comprising situations (2) Hillary's actions do speak louder than her words, but NOT in a good way. Hillary constantly touts her "experience" and how experience is key. However, this is not true, based on her own actions. From my recollection Hillary has had much more "experience" than Barack running presidential campaigns (her own husband ran twice!!). However this "experience" has left her campaign unstable, in financial straints (b/f the $5mil loan), and making unpopular and underhanded moves out of desperation. Meanwhile Barack (with no presidential campaign experience) has led a consistently flourishing campaign.

Hillary if this is any indication of what your "experience" will bring to America -- WE DON'T WANT IT!!!


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