by Mark Silva
Ron Paul may not be reeling from that criticism that John McCain unloaded on him at the Republican debate the other night, but he found himself explaining it today on the same cable network that hosted the debate.
This is that Paul, the congressman from Texas who has benefited from unbounded Internet campaign donations -- and he admiits to being "astounded'' by that fundraising prowess -- who hopes to parlay the independence of New Hampshire’s voters into a strong showing in the Granite State’s presidential primary on Jan. 8.
Voters there, as the state Democratic Party chairman was noting in an interview this weekend, can wake up in the morning and decide to pick up a Democratic or Republican Party ballot.
And Paul’s strong anti-war stance, plus his Libertarian view of the role of government, may well appeal to a lot of independents in the “Live Free or Die’’ state. Of course, that’s the same party primary in which McCain benefited so strongly from the support of independents in his 2000 bid for the GOP’s nomination.
It’s small wonder then, that McCain, who picked up the New Hampshire Union Leader’s endorsement today, would have laced into Paul the way he did in the St. Petersburg, Fla,, debate sponsored by CNN and YouTube Wednesday night – McCain likened Paul’s anti-war stance on the war in Iraq to the “isolationism’’ that enabled Adolph Hitler to rise to power and march across Europe before World War II.
“Well, first off, Iraq is not Nazi Germany,’’ Paul said today on CNN’s Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer. “And besides, I thought it was Hitler that caused World War II, not the American people, who opposed going in. So it didn't make any sense. And then he was awfully confused about isolationism versus non-intervention. There is a big difference.
“Isolationism isn't what I advocate,’’ Paul told Blitzer. “I advocate non-intervention, not getting involved in the internal affairs of other nations, and not pretending a country like Iraq is equivalent to Nazi Germany. Iraq had no army, no navy, had no weapons of mass destruction, had nothing to do with 9/11, so the comparison makes no sense.
Under what circumstances, if he were president, would Paul intervene outside the borders of the United States in some sort of crisis around the world, Blitzer asked the candidate.
“When Congress directed me to in the act of war,’’ Paul replied. “If our national security was threatened and we went through the proper procedures, Congress would say, our national security is involved, it is threatened and we have to act. And Congress has that responsibility. The president is the command-in- chief, and then he acts.’’
On the war in Iraq, Paul said: “I don't believe we went to the war for the right reason. I mean, there were no weapons of mass destruction. It had nothing to do with 9/11. So we were there for the wrong reason and he doesn't understand the motivations for why they want to come here.
“It is not because, you know, we are wealthy and prosperous and free. They come here because we are in their country.
“And even if there is an improvement, which we all hope there is, we plan to keep 14 bases over there, a huge Naval base, and we have this huge embassy, we have a permanent plan to stay there and take over these $30 trillion worth of oil in that region. And the people in those countries know that and that is why they are very angry. And to deny that is folly. It just means that we have expanded the opportunity for the terrorists to come here because there is greater motivation. So I think we are in worse shape than ever before because there are al Qaeda than ever before. There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before, now they are all over the place, and their numbers are growing.
“So if we want to protect ourselves against terrorism, we have to understand what motivates them,’’ he said. “Even Wolfowitz admitted this. He said that the base in Saudi Arabia was an instrumental part of what motivated Osama bin Laden. So if we ignore that, it is at our own folly.’’
Paul also was asked about his assertion that there are some plans for an international highway afoot:
“Well, look up the Web site Security for Prosperity and Peace,, which is a government project, and they talk about the highway,’’ he said. “ Texas passed unanimously, in both house and senate, a resolution to put it on hold. We have a bill in the Congress to stop all of the funding for this particular highway, and I think we have over 50 co-sponsors of it.
“To be in denial of this, that this is not planned, they are not going to admit it. It is subtle. They will say we are just improving highways. But how come they had a meeting in April of 2005 with the president of Mexico, the United States, and Canada, and they talk about these things? So to be in denial is one thing. I mean, they do believe in globalism, much more so than most Americans. So I don't think there is any doubt about the plans. It is not going to happen tomorrow or the next day. But in time this is likely to happen unless we have a shift in foreign policy. ‘’
On the money that he has raised so far in the fourth quarter, and his expectations for the quarter:
“Well, I think it is $10.4 million,’’ Paul said. “ It is very close to that. I know it is over $10 million. Our goal was $12 million, and we have almost a month left. And we have a big day set. So we are going to be way over our goal of $12 million.
“And they could watch our Web site and we run the tab minute by minute,’’ he said. “Everybody know exactly what we are doing. And, I mean, at this rate, it could be, you know, maybe $14 million or $15 million. It just is astounding. It astounds us. ‘’
For those Paul fans out there, here is a transcript of the interview, courtesy of CNN’s Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer”
. BLITZER: Let's talk about the CNN YouTube Debate, there was a comment that John McCain made about some of your strategies with a really, really dire assessment. I want play this little clip of what he said.
Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Congressman Paul, I have heard him now in many debates, talk about bringing our troops home and about the war in Iraq and how it has failed. And I want to tell you that that kind of isolationism, sir, is what caused World War II.
You allowed Hitler to come to power with that kind of attitude of isolationism and appeasement.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: All right. You were shaking your head as you heard the final, but the comparison to Hitler and appeasement and isolationism, you had a chance to respond, but I want you to elaborate this morning.
PAUL: Well, first off, Iraq is not Nazi Germany. And besides, I thought it was Hitler that caused World War II, not the American people, who opposed going in. So it didn't make any sense. And then he was awfully confused about isolationism versus non-intervention. There is a big difference.
Isolationism isn't what I advocate. I advocate non-intervention, not getting involved in the internal affairs of other nations, and not pretending a country like Iraq is equivalent to Nazi Germany.
Iraq had no army, no navy, had no weapons of mass destruction, had nothing to do with 9/11, so the comparison makes no sense.
BLITZER: What -- under what circumstances, if you were president, Congressman Paul, would you intervene outside the borders of the United States in some sort of crisis around the world?
PAUL: When Congress directed me to in the act of war. If our national security was threatened and we went through the proper procedures, Congress would say, our national security is involved, it is threatened and we have to act.
And Congress has that responsibility. The president is the command-in- chief, and then he acts.
BLITZER: I guess the bigger point that John McCain was making in that he had just spent some time in Iraq during the Thanksgiving break, meeting with U.S. forces there was that the surge -- he says the military surge is working and that it would be a disaster if the U.S. were to pull out right now.
I will play a little clip of what he said after the debate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCCAIN: Over in Iraq, the men and women who are serving know what is going on politically here. They pay attention. And I tried to point out to Congressman Paul that they believe that they are winning and they don't agree with his description of the motives for which we went to war in Iraq.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: All right. You want to respond to him, Congressman?
PAUL: Well, yes, we do disagree on this. I don't believe we went to the war for the right reason. I mean, there were no weapons of mass destruction. It had nothing to do with 9/11. So we were there for the wrong reason and he doesn't understand the motivations for why they want to come here.
It is not because, you know, we are wealthy and prosperous and free. They come here because we are in their country. And even if there is an improvement, which we all hope there is, we plan to keep 14 bases over there, a huge Naval base, and we have this huge embassy, we have a permanent plan to stay there and take over these $30 trillion worth of oil in that region. And the people in those countries know that and that is why they are very angry. And to deny that is folly. It just means that we have expanded the opportunity for the terrorists to come here because there is greater motivation. So I think we are in worse shape than ever before because there are al Qaeda than ever before. There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before, now they are all over the place, and their numbers are growing.
So if we want to protect ourselves against terrorism, we have to understand what motivates them. Even Wolfowitz admitted this. He said that the base in Saudi Arabia was an instrumental part of what motivated Osama bin Laden. So if we ignore that, it is at our own folly.
BLITZER: I think a lot of voters out there will agree with you. The question, though, is this, will a lot of Republican voters agree with you? Because when you made that point at the debate the other night, about what Wolfowitz has said about the al Qaeda operations and the U.S. bases that existed in Saudi Arabia before the war in Iraq, you know, there were some boos that came out from that audience.
So here is the question, are you in step, Congressman, right now, with Republican voters whom you need to win in Iowa, New Hampshire, and beyond?
PAUL: Well, a poll showed that half of the Republicans in Iowa are opposed to the war and would like to come home. The real control, in New Hampshire, where I am right now, is by the independents, the group of people that won the election for McCain a few years ago.
So I would say that since 70 percent of the American people want out of the war and they are tired of it, the Republicans had better pick somebody who is opposed to war or have a new foreign policy, or they can't win.
And I think the whole sentiment is shifting. The people are sick and tired of the war. We can't even afford it. We can't even fight the war without borrowing the money from the Chinese. So it doesn't add up.
It really doesn't matter whether I'm right or wrong, the war is going to end because we are going to have such a political and financial havoc here with the devaluation of our dollar because we just can't keep affording.
This is usually how empires end, by spending too much money maintain their empires. We are in 130 countries. We have 700 bases around the world.
And it is going to come to an end. I want it to come to an end more gracefully and peacefully, follow the Constitution and follow more sensible foreign policy.
BLITZER: You made a charge at the debate the other night in which you suggested that, in your words, millions of acres of eminent domain would be used to build a new international highway from Canada through the United States, down to Mexico, suggesting that maybe there was a plan to create some sort of North American Union, similar to the European Union, which is now being denied obviously by a lot of folks in Washington, including a spokesman for the Federal Highway Administration, saying -- on Thursday saying: "There is no such super highway like the one he is talking about. It doesn't exist in plans or anywhere else."
On the basis of what are you making that suggestion, that there is plans under way someplace to build this kind of super international highway?
PAUL: Well, look up the Web site Security for Prosperity and Peace (ph), which is a government project, and they talk about the highway. Texas passed unanimously, in both house and senate, a resolution to put it on hold. We have a bill in the Congress to stop all of the funding for this particular highway, and I think we have over 50 co-sponsors of it.
To be in denial of this, that this is not planned, they are not going to admit it. It is subtle. They will say we are just improving highways. But how come they had a meeting in April of 2005 with the president of Mexico, the United States, and Canada, and they talk about these things?
So to be in denial is one thing. I mean, they do believe in globalism, much more so than most Americans. So I don't think there is any doubt about the plans. It is not going to happen tomorrow or the next day. But in time this is likely to happen unless we have a shift in foreign policy.
BLITZER: I want to talk a little bit of politics in the brief time that we have left. The latest Des Moines Register poll in Iowa that is just out today, Congressman, has you at 7 percent, the same number as John McCain, Huckabee is at 29, ahead of Romney 24, Giuliani 13.
The -- as far as fundraising is concerned though, and this is significant, in the last quarter that ended, you had raised $5 million, but there is some suggestion in this final quarter of 2007, you could raise more money than any of the other Republican presidential candidates given the enormous amount you have raised online.
Is that your assessment right now? Because there is some suggestion you have already raised in this quarter, what, $8 million, $9 million?
PAUL: Now that is not exactly right because yesterday it went over $10.5 million or $10.4 million. Our goal was to raise $12 million by the end of the quarter. And there is going to be another super day sponsored by our supporters, spontaneously, like they did on 11/5, when they raised $4.3 million. And they this one is going to be bigger, and that December 16th.
So something big is going on. The people are really annoyed with conventional politics and we are spending this money. We are spending it in Iowa. So I think those polls are going to continue to shift. Our numbers are going up. And people are just starting to think about how they are going to vote in these primaries.
So who knows exactly what will happen. But we are pretty optimistic about the position we hold, and we are going to be financed for February 5th as well.
BLITZER: Well, a quick point on that, just to be precise, as of now, how much have you raised in this fourth and final quarter of 2007? And how much do you expect to raise by the time the quarter, at the end of this year, is already done with?
PAUL: Well, I think it is $10.4 million. It is very close to that. I know it is over $10 million. Our goal was $12 million, and we have almost a month left. And we have a big day set. So we are going to be way over our goal of $12 million.
And they could watch our Web site and we run the tab minute by minute.
Everybody know exactly what we are doing. And, I mean, at this rate, it could be, you know, maybe $14 million or $15 million. It just is astounding. It astounds us.
But it really tells me that although I had a great deal of concerns about the country, the American people were equally concerned and they are willing to put their money with a candidate who is willing to state these positions, all of these concerns, whether it is the foreign policy and coming home, or the irresponsible spending here, the terrible policy we have with monetary policy, the protection of our dollar, and the income tax system that is so, so unliked.
And I want to not just revamp it, I want to get rid of it and not replace it with anything. People are ready for some changes.
BLITZER: Congressman Ron Paul, thanks very much for coming in.
PAUL: Thank you.
Comments
Ron Paul: 'Isolationism isn't what I advocate'
Don't worry Ron...nobody really cares!!!
Except the army of Ronbots.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | December 2, 2007 2:55 PM
Thank YOU SO MUCH! for your honest journalism!
You didnt attempt to twist words around or promote some kind of agenda.
You accurately reported Ron Pauls positions and for that I give you 5 stars for journalism!
Posted by: Matthew Gardner | December 2, 2007 2:59 PM
What a surprise to read this article in the Baltimore Sun. It's refreshing to have an article use Dr. Paul's words to show the reader what he believes. The only signs and stickers I see for the republican side are for Ron Paul. It is getting harder for the media to ignore Dr. Paul and his message. We who support him are willing to keep contributing to each "money bomb" in order to show the nation we are not small in number. The large media outlets are only showing the candidates they "think" are the most electable. I believe a measure of electability is the candidate with the large amount of individual donors who are willing to go out and spread his message of freedom. Oh, and by the way, we are average citizens working and taking care of our families, not Ronbots. GO RON PAUL!!!
Posted by: JamieK | December 2, 2007 3:15 PM
John McCain is a warmongering neocon. He is pathetic in his defense of the Vietnam war and uses his status as POW to shove his fearmongering ideas down the throats of the American public. McCain and his ilk are history. America has had enough and is ready for the coming of RON PAUL and the REVOLUTION!
Posted by: alley | December 2, 2007 3:16 PM
"Logic Prisoner's" remark typifies the tactics of those attempting to discredit Ron Paul: Name calling with no discussion of the real issues.
Thanks "Logic Prisoner," for your lack of logic. You're a great example of why more and more people listen to Ron Paul everyday.
Posted by: Wabi Quark | December 2, 2007 3:18 PM
I can't believe that our run-of-the-mill politicians are still lying about the highway and the plan to join us with Mexico and Canada. For goodness sakes,Vicinte Fox talked about it on Larry King a few weeks ago!
I'm voting for Ron Paul because he speaks the truth!
Posted by: Carolyn | December 2, 2007 3:20 PM
Army of Ronbots? I've never heard that one before. Imprisoned by logic still infers limitations, and with limitations, comes limited logic.
Posted by: Nathan Litwhiler | December 2, 2007 3:21 PM
Way to go BALTIMORE SUN!!!
Posted by: Kurt | December 2, 2007 3:25 PM
I'm glad Ron Paul was able to clarify his positions and "THE FACT" that Congress has the power to declare war, not the President. McCain was an idiot for suggesting American Isolationism caused World War II.
People, if you want a change in our foreign policy and want to stabilize the falling dollar, you really owe it to yourself and your family to research Ron Paul
Posted by: Robert Johnson | December 2, 2007 3:28 PM
Ron Paul: 'Isolationism isn't what I advocate'
Don't worry Ron...nobody really cares!!!
Except the army of Ronbots.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | December 2, 2007 2:55 PM
That's where you are wrong man of no logic, most of us do care as you will see on election promary day.
Posted by: steve | December 2, 2007 3:29 PM
Great interview Wolf and great article. When Paul has the chance to explain his positions, rather than 30 second blurbs at the so-called debates, the message is powerful. I can't wait for December 16th and the media blitz that will follow. It will only allow the message to reach more people.
Posted by: Derek | December 2, 2007 3:31 PM
Would it make sense to send all of the bank guards after a thief who was just accused of robbing the bank leave the door to the safe open? We have special military teams designed to deal with terrorists. We do not need to send the entire army to find them, and now that we have, there is no one on our southern boarder...Of course Giuliani has the answer...video cameras...I know the banks favor that instead of a good, strong safe.
As far as 'RONBOTS'. No body 'forced' us to become 'Ronbots' by beating his agendas into us over the airwaves. We chose to support him because we are FREE to do so.
Posted by: James | December 2, 2007 3:32 PM
"Armies of Ronbots", implying non-thinking followers...
Actually, we are independent thinking US citizens, highly motivated to vote- highly informed on issues and refusing to be spoonfed by corporate media.
"Nobody cares" could be the rally cry of those happy with the status quo offered by the other candidate clones.
Posted by: Jeffrey Porter | December 2, 2007 3:34 PM
Here's a good response to McCain.
http://www.jbs.org/node/6475
Posted by: Trans-Mutant | December 2, 2007 3:35 PM
Wow! Even a show transcript! I appreciate the report.
Posted by: Jim McClarin | December 2, 2007 3:42 PM
Wow! Journalism in practice as journalism ought to be. A statement of facts without slant or bias or hidden agenda as we've seen too too often.
Thank you for presenting a candidate fairly in their own words.
Posted by: James D | December 2, 2007 3:44 PM
"Logic Prisoner" maybe you would care if you were on a battlefield---Iraq made me a non-interventionist.
Ron Paul gets more money from the military than any other candidate, Dem. or Rep.
Balt. Sun, thanks for a good article.
Ron Paul for President!
Posted by: J.P. | December 2, 2007 3:44 PM
We should all care about interventionism, it has been the primary cause of most of the problems in this world for the last century.
Take, for instance the historic fact of WWI, both sides of the conflict were drained of their resources and about to sue for peace by the time the U.S. "decided" to enter the war. By entering the war, the U.S. not only extended the conflict, but also changed the entire fabric of history.
Upon victory, due to our entry, Germany was placed under severe reparations and a national humiliation that set the stage for the rise of Hitler. The Treaty of Versailles provided the framework for the extreme nationalism of Hitler years later. He used the feelings of national humiliation from the treatment of Germany after WWI to promote his agenda and gain power.
If the U.S. had stayed out of the conflict both sides would have eventually settled the war and the old world empires would have continued to crumble under their own burdensome weight.
Hitler would have remained a failed unknown artist and 6 Million Jews and their heritage would have continued to live throughout Europe and Israel would not have been forced upon the Middle East as a center of conflict and contention. The Soviets would have never had the opportunity to gain control over the Eastern European countries and therefore no cold war.
Our interventions have consequences, many times these consequences are not recognized for decades into the future.
Thus far we have had few politicians who have had the foresight to see that such interventions pose a potential danger to this nation and to the world, one of those is Ron Paul.
We have been forced into a foreign policy in this country that is not only extremely short-sighted, but lacks common sense. In most cases, as Ron Paul clearly points out in his book A Foreign Policy of Freedom, we have made treaties with both sides of numerous conflicts, we arm both sides of numerous conflicts and we send financial aid to both sides of conflicts.
This country has been put into the position of taking sides between allies on numerous occasions however, common sense tells us that such a position is impossible to maintain. A country cannot maintain treaties with every country particularly if, at some point in the future, those countries decide go to war with another. Such treaties are not only lacking in rational application, but are contrary to the reasons for having treaties.
A policy of neutrality is the best and most rational policy, especially when it is coupled with a strong and focused military, something that we are currently lacking. Our military is so diluted, so unfocused in their mission because they have been used to enforce a very broad, very non-descriptive mission of foreign Social Worker and Global Policeman. Neither missions actually benefit this country or provide actual defense for this nation.
Posted by: Republicae | December 2, 2007 3:51 PM
Recently the interviews and articles about Dr. Ron Paul are more reasonably balanced. This interview continued the trend of a polite dialog with the media. This is a refreshing change and is well regarded by your viewers and readers.
The voters are ready for change and the messenger is Dr. Ron Paul.
Posted by: John B | December 2, 2007 3:53 PM
AMERICA=The Constitution
Ron Paul will ONLY follow the Constitution. Period.
If you dont like Ron Paul, then YOU are ANTI-AMERICAN. Period.
Class dismissed.
Posted by: R3VOLT | December 2, 2007 3:53 PM
Wow what a great artical actually covered issues No slanted news there
Thankyou I really was begining to think it was to much to ask for
Thankyou so much
Posted by: Bill Lanphar | December 2, 2007 4:05 PM
Plenty of us care...and we are going to vote come hell or high water or blizzard.
Posted by: NH | December 2, 2007 4:05 PM
Funny how some people cast names at Ron Paul supporters and tell them that nobody cares about us or Ron Paul.
It is funny that they take time out of their lives to comment about someone who "doesn't matter".
Posted by: ctjohnson | December 2, 2007 4:06 PM
Great interview. It is obvious to all of us who have been following Dr. Paul that he is warming up more and more and really starting to fire up his supporters. What is happening now is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen in this country. I have gotten used to just ignoring the negative comments of others who are so pathetic that they have to discredit Ron Paul by picking out the flaws of his supporters. I wish these same people who do this for the mindless Rudy, Romney, and Hillary sheeple.
Posted by: Jordan Selvidge | December 2, 2007 4:09 PM
To Logic Prisoner:
Why do you say that nobody really cares? I doubt that is true, since so many people keep bringing it up. But, if people dont care about that, what DO they care about, if I may respectfully ask?
To Mark Silva (author): Thanks greatly for the objective reporting. We greatly appreciate the sincerity of your journalism.
Posted by: Emmett | December 2, 2007 4:13 PM
Mark Silva,
Well done. This is exactly what America needs most right now. The facts, I also commend you on just reporting what Dr. Ron Paul had to say and not giving your spin on it. This is journalism. Americans can decide what we believe on our own. We just want the facts and that is what you gave us.
Keep up the good work!!!
Posted by: American Worker | December 2, 2007 4:14 PM
Thanks for the article, really like how you put COMPLETE QUOTES. Makes for much 'cleaner' reading.
Ron Paul set the limit, and LiberTea is brewing.
Posted by: Ryan from Philadelphia | December 2, 2007 4:19 PM
Ah, Mark has lightened up. Sincerity or tactics? Time will tell.
Posted by: FZappa | December 2, 2007 4:21 PM
"Nobody cares but the Ronbots?"
Speak for yourself. I think most Americans care a great deal about where this country is headed. We care about our men and women in uniform - my cousin is in Baghdad - we care about the stupendous national debt our children will be saddled with we care about immigration reform and the falling dollar.
If you don't care that's your choice - go back to sleep and let the rest of us fight for change.
-Eric N.
Posted by: Eric N. | December 2, 2007 4:21 PM
Thanks for the solid info!
Posted by: Drew Roberts | December 2, 2007 4:21 PM
re; Logic Prisoner,
You might be right. Why do you think it is a good thing to have American bases and troops stationed around the world? Will you fight when China invades Taiwan? Will you fight Russia when they retake disputed islands with Japan? Maybe you are willing to fight and kill for oil in Iraq? Oil was less than $35 bbl before the war, now its near $100- worth it?
Free your mind prisoner becasue your logic is non-existant.
Posted by: Andy | December 2, 2007 4:22 PM
The actual website to which Dr. Paul is referring:
Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America
http://www.spp.gov/
Posted by: Ward Ciac | December 2, 2007 4:24 PM
I am glad Ron Paul had a chance to talk on CNN. What I don't understand is why during the debate he was never asked about the economy, Iraq, right to bear arms, etc. He was asked 2 or 3 questions which were tricky and no matter what he said, he would be criticized later by the press. It was so obvious, so I find it very hypocritical on CNN to interview Ron Paul on what he thinks on issues on this program when he was completely ignored during the debate.
Lucia Schmitz
Posted by: Lucia Schmitz | December 2, 2007 4:31 PM
I care.. about the facts and the future.
Ron Paul is plugged in and is speaking to all of us on important issues that others are ignoring.
I just did a web search and found the SPP website that he referred to. http://www.spp.gov.
Have a look and see that he is right on the money that the subleness around of the NAFTA Superhighway should not be a ignored:
'There are private and state level interests planning highway projects which they themselves describe as "NAFTA Corridors,"
Soooo, I guess I've learned yet more about what the government(s) are doing which again have bypassed mainstream news media outlets.
Thank you again Ron Paul for helping me to be a more informed citizen...
Posted by: John N. | December 2, 2007 4:34 PM
Excellent job Baltimore Sun!! This is an important election and should be based on an open and in depth analysis of the issues at hand. Mr. McCain's attempt to associate Dr. Paul's foreign policy proposals with the rise of Hitler was disingenuous. Perhaps it was even a sign of desperation.
Posted by: sjs247 | December 2, 2007 4:36 PM
If by 'the army of ronbots' you mean the passionate ambivalent people of this country who are at odds with this government and the thousands of active military personal supporting 'Dr.' Ron Paul and his rhetoric, then you are correct.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
Posted by: Jason Serna | December 2, 2007 4:44 PM
Logic Prisoner,
Better a RonBot than a NeoConnedBOT.
You SHOULD care about what we do abroad, and how it is perceived, if you want any lasting piece.
Posted by: Liberty Seeker | December 2, 2007 4:50 PM
Here are links that Dr. Paul is referring to regarding expanding NAFTA/ International superhighway etc.:
• This is a paper published by the Council of Foreign Affairs titled “Building a North American Community” – go to page 25: http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf
• Here is the Canadian Government’s Website on it titled :Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/progress/science_for_security-en.aspx
Posted by: PF | December 2, 2007 5:07 PM
For those of you who do not believe that their is a North American Union in the works, a union that would destroy the United States sovereignty as it was written into our Declaration of Independence and the Consitution please visit:
w w w . s p p . g o v
w w w .corridorwatch. org
w w w .keeptexasmoving. com
Google: trans texas
corridor
Wikipedia.org also has some relevant information.
Ron Paul for President in 2008!
Posted by: P.Faith | December 2, 2007 5:08 PM
I care. The real reason for WWII was the Treaty of Versailles, which was forced on the Germans at the end of WWI. McCain, and apparently, you, needs a history lesson. It was never isolationism. And if the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism is lost on you, then maybe you should be one of the other lump of Republican "candidates" who also don't appreciate the difference.
Posted by: A.K. Smith | December 2, 2007 5:10 PM
Hey Logic Prisoner,
Your comment of "Nobody Really Cares" is exactly why we are in the lame condition we are in.
The price of good men for apathy in public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
To expect benevolence is foolish.
I vote for honesty and integrity coupled with intelligence and an ability at root cause and corrective action; I Vote For Ron Paul.
Posted by: PainfullyAware | December 2, 2007 5:20 PM
Way too many words for brucebot to count...good job Mark. At least you could have done a misspell or something, throw analdice a bone, so to speak.
Wait, wait! Isn't Wolf the son of Jewish immigrants from Poland? Does that make him a right-wing hawk ala Leiberman or a left-wing liberal like Streisand? So much to spin, so little time, eh bruce? Well, there's always the old MSM fallback, whinerdice. Blitzer does, after all, work for the Clinton News Network. Go sick 'em brucie!
Posted by: dt | December 2, 2007 5:21 PM
Thank you for the well-crafted report, Mark.
Posted by: Darryl Schmitz | December 2, 2007 5:22 PM
I'm wondering, did the DNC write Wolf's questions for him? I mean, it is pretty clear that CNN also is on the DNC payroll. You Loons on the Left whine about Fox News. Sorry, CNN has no credibility.
Not that it ever had much anyway.
Posted by: John D | December 2, 2007 5:25 PM
The only people that care are the thinking class of this country. The people who want to disregard Ron Paul as "fringe" are the same people who got us here in the first place, the governing class.
The strange part of this campaign is trying to convince people that they American, and we can do anything if they would only believe the hype the seem to subscribe to.
Posted by: Almost Speechless | December 2, 2007 5:34 PM
Great article, thanks.
Posted by: Dirk | December 2, 2007 5:35 PM
Aha! The Baltimore Sun has seen the light. Thanks for casting objective "Sun"light on the 2nd American Revolution coalescing behind the message of Ron Paul.
There is hope that a free press still exists that are journalists for We the People, and not propagandists for the corporate shill politicians.
An amazing thing is occurring. We the People are saying in a growing voice to those who consider themselves elite, "Gentlemen, your reality is based on lies and balderdash, and we are happy to say we grasp none of it."
Keep shining your light on the objective truth, and the Sun's contribution to the 2nd Revolution to restore the American Republic will be noted in history. Don't be objective, and you will join us all as indentured serfs on a corporate plantation established with your own lies.
Posted by: Kashdog | December 2, 2007 5:51 PM
Although I do not like or trust any news network, CNN has two (one is Wolf Blitzer) that I do like. They like to be "politically incorrect" unlike the normal news. Mark Silva, Thanks for the well done article and transcript. It's nice to just see the facts and not all the editorial comments most try to pass off as "news". Well done.
Posted by: Elizabeth | December 2, 2007 6:13 PM
Thank you so much for this excellent news piece - What excites me is the number of not-yet-familiar with Ron Paul people who will read the article and transcripts and say "hey, this guy makes sense!" and your news piece has given them the ability to make up their own mind, and to vote with the facts about Ron Paul's viewspoints and stance. Thank you again!
Posted by: RC | December 2, 2007 6:14 PM
Looks like spp.gov has been recently updated. Interesting.
As far as national sovereignty goes... I would recommend that anyone concerned about this issue watch the documentary, Prince of Pot, to see how the US has already infringed on Canada's sovereignty. The North American Union plan is not a conspiracy theory. It's already underway, and the War on Drugs is a catalyst.
http://www.youtube.com/user/princeofpot
Posted by: Tracker | December 2, 2007 6:32 PM
Thank you for a great article! I really appreciate the unbiased reporting.
Posted by: Randall White | December 2, 2007 6:44 PM
Thank you for a great article! I really appreciate the unbiased reporting.
Posted by: Randall White | December 2, 2007 6:46 PM
It amazes me that people still think that Ron Paul supports are nut cases. I won't bore you will our profile but I will say that my wife and I are college educated, nearing retirement after 35 years in the work force, considered upper middle class and we support Dr. Paul based on his policy views. While we don't agree on every issue we support the compaign with time and money. DB
Posted by: Dbinac@yahoo.com | December 2, 2007 7:40 PM
Why in God's name would McCain not pick up a book first and figure out the difference between isolationism and non intervetionism before he went on national TV trying to make it sound like he knew what he was talking about. How embarassing for Paul.
Posted by: Immigrant | December 2, 2007 7:55 PM
Way to go Dyslin, stealing brucie's thunder with a hail Mary MSM whine. CNN has no credibility?..what makes you think you have any?
Oh Dumb Dumb Janet, have you seen my picture? Shamu? Take another trip to the buffet table?
Well, Janet, dear, I am sure you are an overweight slob. Me??? Well I weigh in at 175 on a 5'9" frame. Can you run 5 miles in 35 minutes? I can. Doesn't sound like Shamu to me!
Posted by: John D | September 10, 2007 4:30 PM
Now tell us again how the "svelte" gentleman in the size 48 Seersucker is the reincarnation of Steve Prefontaine.
http://www.ecenmag.com/web/online/Electrical-Contracting-Products-Innovation-Awards/AND-THE-WINNER-ISElectrical-Contracting-Products-Announces-Winners-of-the-2007-INNOVATION-Awards/51$2932
Posted by: dt | December 2, 2007 7:59 PM
Ron Paul won a pretty big straw poll in Virginia.....I guess FOX will next tell you that spambots have legs and can actually walk to voting machines and vote. Here's the story;
Ron Paul vanquished the competition in the annual Virginia GOP retreat straw poll by collecting 182 votes (38%). Despite having former senator George Allen and current Virginia Attorney General Bob McDonald speaking on his behalf, Fred Thompson managed only 112 votes (23%). While Mike Huckabee, who was represented by his wife, finished a distant third with 51 votes (11%).
Several long-time Republican leaders including conservative icon Morton Blackwell complemented the Paul campaign on their strong organization and mobilization efforts, according to Ron Paul National Field Director Dennis Fusaro, who spoke on Dr. Paul's behalf at the event. Fusaro went on to say that, while this reflects the organizational strength of the Paul campaign around the country, it is essential that Virginia Ron Paul Republicans replicate this turn-out on a county-by-county basis at next year's mass meetings. Fusaro went on to congratulation the grassroots for, once again, coming out to support Dr. Paul in an unprecedented manner.
Virginia GOP Retreat Straw Poll Results:
Ron Paul 182 (38%)
Fred Thompson 112 (23%)
Mike Huckabee 51 (11%)
Rudy Guiliani 45 (9%)
Mitt Romney 43 (9%)
John McCain 23 (5%)
Duncan Hunter 19 (4%)
Tom Tancredo 4 (
Posted by: Immigrant... | December 2, 2007 8:02 PM
I wonder if Ron Paul is a card carrying member of the ACLU, the only organization absolutely dedicated to preserving the the Bill of Rights, no matter how much it hurts.
Has anyone asked Dr. Paul's opinion on health care? Is he a "Compassionate Conservative" (like Bush)? Here's a quote from a Paul speech ... A major problem with today’s society, according to Paul, is the confusion of “needs” and “rights”: “We have rights to our lives and liberty and we have a right to pursue our happiness and we should have the right to keep the fruits of our labor. We have a moral obligation to help our fellow man. That doesn’t mean, however, that we have a right to affordable health care."
I interpret his statement as meaning that if individuals whithin a society feel a personal, moral obligation to their fellow man, they should act on that by providing whatever assistance they can. However, society as a whole has no such obligation to its weaker members.
Personally, I differ.
Posted by: Stan G | December 2, 2007 8:17 PM
This is CNN's attempt to direct the nomination to ANYONE but Dr. Ron Paul. Much as we'd like politics to be positive, it is in fact ruled almost entirely by negatives. For instance, what's the biggest negative the Republican Party is facing in 2008? Iraq - a staggering 70% of people favor IMMEDIATE withdrawl from Iraq. Who is the only candidate that doesn't have that negative? Dr. Paul, who advocates using those trillions of dollars to secure our border (perhaps against Saudis who were 20 of the 24 terrorists in 9/11) and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure which is far more worrying than the loss of Social Security. Hm, full employment, withdrawl from Iraq and a huge boost to our economy from rebuilding our infrastructure - what Democrat wants to run against that. Hence the behavior of known liberal biased network CNN, who wants us to nominate either Guiliani or Romney - both of whose negatives are so high the copy practically writes itself!
Posted by: Louis Nardozi | December 2, 2007 8:34 PM
Mark Silva - Way to go! Nice reporting job without the usual MSM bias. My hat off to Wolf Blitzer as well. Great interview. Thanks to all.
Posted by: Desert Rat | December 2, 2007 8:47 PM
Thank you for what seems to be fair coverage. My family and I are from new jersey and around here it is rare to hear Ron Paul's words. We absolutely love Dr. Paul. I have siblings and some 22 first cousins and we all constantly search for updates on Ron Paul on the web, since tv conveniently blocks him out of sight. God bless him, and The United States of America.
Posted by: Luciano | December 2, 2007 8:54 PM
Great article
Posted by: JosephR | December 2, 2007 8:58 PM
McCain tried to paint Ron Paul like he wasn't for the troops.
I am in the military, and I strongly support Ron Paul! I find more Ron Paul supporters in the military than supporters of any other candidates.
And let's not forget, 26% of Ron Paul's $5.2 million raised in the third quarter came from military people. Ron Paul receives more contributions from military members than all other GOP candidates combined!
Who is really for the troops, and who are the troops really for?
Posted by: Brad | December 2, 2007 9:29 PM
Great article. I hope and pray that Ron Paul wins because he is the only one worth driving to the polls to vote for. The rest just pay us lip service without the real change America is demanding.
Posted by: Chewie | December 2, 2007 9:32 PM
Nice article on Ron Paul. You are presenting his views fairly and accurately.
Ron Paul has tremendous grassroots support here in New Hampshire. The support is from traditional republicans, non-voters, democrats and libertarians. The money he is raising is the true indication of his strength.
The polls are a lagging indicator and may well be wrong on primary day.
Posted by: William R. | December 2, 2007 9:41 PM
Thank you Baltimore Sun, great article. I had the opportunity to attend a military retirement party this last weekend with roughly 50 people in attendance. I made sure to talk about Ron Paul to every single one of them. Sounds to me like we have quite a few Republicans and Dems that will be voting for Ron Paul in California. I was surprised to see that the Dems have already registered as Republicans to vote for Ron Paul. His signs are everywhere by the way. They like the fact that he wants our troops home now, and wants to clean up our illegal immigration situation. Thanks again for writing this.
Ron Paul for the win!!!!
http://RonPaul2008.com
Posted by: Tess | December 2, 2007 9:51 PM
"Don't worry Ron...nobody really cares!!!
Except the army of Ronbots."
...And all the men and women in uniform overseas currently FIGHTING the wars people like you are promoting and hawking vicariously from your armchair.
You, like McCain, have to live with that nasty little detail: while you'd certainly like to think that everyone agrees with you lobotomized, fake-conservative "washington-changed-us" hacks and the Bushian foreign policy...the reality of course is that over 70% of the country DOESNT and the vast majority of military donations are going to your feared nemesis Ron Paul.
It might even be convincing if McCain was second in those kinds of donations...nope- Obama cleans him out on that front too.
Of course by now its clear that people like you have learned to cope with inconvenient data by ignoring it or lying about it....military donations, straw polls, opinion polls, blind Zogby polls, special-interest-free fundraising, single-day cash haul records, rally-attendance numbers, and essentially any poll that doesnt contact exclusively old Republican loyalists who were senile enough to vote for Bush again in 2004 and who happen to be sitting next to their landline phones when the call comes. Thats probably the most inconvenient little bit there; that your only evidence for claims like "no one cares about Ron Paul's candidacy" rests purely upon selective (since those pesky Zogby ones) poll data that even the Center for Disease Control will no longer take seriously.
Its also funny how people like you constantly call Paul's supporters "Ronbots," lol. As if RON PAUL is the bought-and-paid-for product-of-the-establishment-machine candidate being supported by artful media and selective data consideration...and as if his supporters are mindless drones who snapped him up as their candidate because a powerful media machine told them to. lol Yeah not quite pal, take a gander in the mirror before you start throwing around insults.
Otherwise, just come to discuss the topic like an adult..."Johnbot."
Posted by: J707 | December 2, 2007 9:59 PM
i'd rather be a ronbot than a Huckhead!
Posted by: john | December 2, 2007 10:18 PM
As Gandhi said: first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Thanks for the un-biased article. No longer are you ignoring Dr. Paul, the laughing is now subsiding (except a few who are SERIOUSLY behind the curve), and the fighting is underway in many places. Thanks for a place we can read truth and decide for ourselves.
Posted by: truthseeds | December 2, 2007 10:36 PM
Thanks for the good article Mark, and thanks for posting the transcript!
From,
A Proud Ronbot
Posted by: Pete | December 2, 2007 11:05 PM
For all this talk about Ron Paul, just go to his website to really find out about him. www.ronpaul2008.com
Whether you agree with his message of freedoom, peace, and prosperity or not he is a principled man of integrity - and that alone would go a long way to curtailing the corruption and power of special interest groups in the capital.
Posted by: Tim | December 2, 2007 11:19 PM
Very good article. Thank you for giving Dr. Ron Paul the opportunity to respond to the biased and unfair accusations of John McCain.
It is too bad he didn't get a chance to rebut him in full on the sham that was YouTube debates.
Posted by: karen | December 2, 2007 11:24 PM
Logic Prisoner : Nobody cares what you think.. Who are you? Nobody.. Ron Paul has done more in 12 months than you will achieve in your entire life. Go on sniping from your armchair, everyone can see what you really are.
On McCain: He's an unhinged lunatic. He slurs his words, he probably has Alzheimers, he sings "Bomb bomb bomb Iran".. He probably never really came back from the Vietnamese prison camp.
Men with those sort of psychological issues are unbelievably easy to manipulate.
Posted by: TomPaine | December 3, 2007 12:14 AM
To Logic Prisoner:
Why do you say that nobody really cares? I doubt that is true, since so many people keep bringing it up. But, if people dont care about that, what DO they care about, if I may respectfully ask?
To Mark Silva (author): Thanks greatly for the objective reporting. We greatly appreciate the sincerity of your journalism.
Posted by: Emmett | December 2, 2007 4:13 PM
I like Ron Paul Emmett, but I also believe that the Republican party doesn't give a cr%p about Ron Paul, or anybody with a valid opinion that runs contrary to the current tuff-guy policies. I agree with you whole heartedly on all points and do think Ron Paul is the most worthy republican candidate. I don't think the republican party as it exists today is worthy of him. Now if the republicans take back their party, all the better for American politics. As for the Ronbots I'll share this with you. I sent it in an e-mail to someone last week. Didn't mean to get the Ronbot community in such an uproar. I might add that I've stated on MANY occasions and in many comments my positive view of Mr Paul. With regards Logic Prisoner. p.s. it was Sunday morning and I was a little cranky!
Below is the afore mentioned post...enjoy.
Wow, so many Ron Paul spambots are here!
Hi guys! 1011010110!!
The Baltimore Sun should maybe get more libertarian ideas in print if there are so darn many libertarians out here in cyberspace, eh?
Well, I must toot my own horn here - I have had a lengthy letter to the editor published in the Wash. Tmes today (Sunday) and in it I mention, among other things, how Ron Paul has tons more Google hits than any of the other candidates.
This is old news to Ron Paul supporters, of course, but guess what? The Google rankings have mysteriously and suddenly changed.
Before, Ron had 12,900,000 hits to closest challenger Hillary's 7,450,000. Now, Ron registers 7,300,000 to Hillary's 7,670,000. What gives, Google.
I can only conclude that I am one of the most powerful men in the world, as a single published letter from me has apparently spurred a huge international conglomerate - one of the largest and most influential companies in the world - to fiddle with it's rankings because they were politically incorrect.
Some might say it's only correlation, but you'll forgive me my little fantasy, won't you?
Spambots for Paul 2008!
100010010010100111!!!!
(Our code is unbreakable - please waste time on it)
Posted by: Tom deSabla | November 25, 2007 8:00 PM
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | December 3, 2007 12:16 AM
McCain says "we are winning in Iraq" I ask "What are "we" winning. John", so that we will know when we have attained it and can take our winnings and go home.
After so much destruction of property, so many US and Iraqi lives lost, so many displaced people, broken families, refugees, orphans and the like, so much pain and suffering caused, so many that now hate the US and will for years to come, I ask, "what have we won John?"
I am a Vietnam era vet. We lost 60,000 young men and millions of Vietnamese. Had we lost another 60,000 and occupied it till this day, what would we have won John?
Yes - I support Ron Paul and his message.
There is a difference between isolationism and non-interventionism. You spent a good amount of time in isolation - maybe hoping someone would intervene.
You mention Hitler, maybe Hitler also thought that his attack on Poland was a justifiable "pre-emptive" act of war. Could it just be a point of view?
Look at all of the present war situations caused by those rejecting "foreign" occupation of "their" land. Right or wrong, the same feelings are aroused when someone uninvited comes into our living room or our country.
Posted by: Jerry H. | December 3, 2007 12:24 AM
"Don't worry Ron...nobody really cares!!!
Except the army of Ronbots."
...And all the men and women in uniform overseas currently FIGHTING the wars people like you are promoting and hawking vicariously from your armchair.
You, like McCain, have to live with that nasty little detail: while you'd certainly like to think that everyone agrees with you lobotomized, fake-conservative "washington-changed-us" hacks and the Bushian foreign policy...the reality of course is that over 70% of the country DOESNT and the vast majority of military donations are going to your feared nemesis Ron Paul."
Posted by: J707 | December 2, 2007 9:59 PM
Enough is enough. Read the comment I just posted and then if this one doesn't clarify things then you can continue to skewer away.
Ron Paul: 'Isolationism isn't what I advocate'
Don't worry Ron...nobody really cares!!!
Except the army of Ronbots.
You can interpret this comment several ways if you thought about it which few of you obviously didn't. Secondly a quick search of my swamp comments would show that not only have I been supportive of Ron Pauls bid to bring back a shred of validity to the neo-con dominated, corporate tool wing of the republican party. I have NEVER SUPPORTED THE WAR, or John McCains views on the war.
I have called to the carpet every one of George Bush/Dick Cheney decisions. I might also add that your own post is riddled with insults.
"Its also funny how people like you constantly call Paul's supporters "Ronbots," lol. As if RON PAUL is the bought-and-paid-for product-of-the-establishment-machine candidate being supported by artful media and selective data consideration...and as if his supporters are mindless drones who snapped him up as their candidate because a powerful media machine told them to. lol Yeah not quite pal, take a gander in the mirror before you start throwing around insults.
Otherwise, just come to discuss the topic like an adult..."Johnbot."
Posted by: J707 | December 2, 2007 9:59 PM
I don't think it was an insult J707. Just a comment on the republican party. Secondly I've read many a Ronbot revel in the characterization.
Hopefully I've clarified my views in a adult manner that is fit for your approval. Now lighten up!!!
p.s. I served in the military J707.
Yet a man may love a paradox, without losing either his wit or his honesty.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | December 3, 2007 12:51 AM
Tired of the same old song-and-dance from your presidents? See this new music video from the feature-length zombie-musical-political satire, "Song of the Dead" -- with its surprise Ron Paul endorsement at the end.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qQmkkoxSKYw
Posted by: mketcher | December 3, 2007 1:31 AM
Name calling with no discussion of the real issues.
Thanks "Logic Prisoner," for your lack of logic.
Posted by: Wabi Quark | December 2, 2007 3:18 PM
Wow LP now your a neo-con fascist, right winger? I've never read one of your comments that was anything but antiwar & liberal. I guess your Bush crime family posts don't get read. Don't worry I got the joke. Seemed like backhanded praise to me but what do I know. I'm a Dick!
Ronbots are cool. Ron Paul is cool. Republicans are not.
Posted by: Andy Dick | December 3, 2007 2:38 AM
Ron Paul advocates the US Constitutions "Balance of Power" between all the branches of Government. He freely admits that except for leaving Iraq which he can do "without" the agreement of Congress, other changes must be "with" the agreement of Congress.
He doesn't want the Federal Government to run our lives. He wants to restore our freedoms.
Posted by: imbabci2 | December 3, 2007 7:26 AM
"Logic Prisoner : Nobody cares what you think.. Who are you? Nobody.."
Posted by: TomPaine | December 3, 2007 12:14 AM
Thanks for the kind words deep thinker.
Good thing Ron is running as a republican, because the way you people freak out is very typical of GOP voters. Anyone who reads The Swamp with regularity knows my position on Ron Paul. Smart guy on point with many ideas and little or no support from the current crop of Republicans. But I've covered this in an earlier post. So for the oh so greatly offended Tom Paine, and J707 just in case my earlier painstaking attempt at either explanation, or recognition of reprimand he goes. LET ME SETTLE THE MATTER ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Unlike isolationists, non-interventionists do not fear expanding and liberalizing trade (Paul has frequently said as much). Non-interventionists are confident in American strength and, unlike isolationists, are optimistic about America's engagement with the world. What they do not seek, however, is dominion over it. Non-interventionists trust that Western values are persuasive on their own terms, and become correspondingly less so when they are imposed on societies at gunpoint.
Finally, non-interventionists tend to possess a truly conservative skepticism about government and the malleability of human nature. They do not believe America should squander its blood and treasure as it pursues utopian schemes like "ridding the world of evil."
The precise content of Paul's campaign platform won't be adopted, even many years down the road. With calls to withdraw from NATO and the UN, it's far too radical. Yet the contours of his non-interventionist approach to foreign policy will ultimately win the day. For starters, thank President Bush. The invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq have exposed and discredited a number of dubious theories endorsed by the war's advocates. It reminded us that the proper role of a military is to destroy states, not coax democratic ones from the rubble. Yet it also underscored that even if we were adept nation builders, an "American Empire" won't protect us. Unraveled terror plots in the U.S. and Europe discredit the notion that "freedom is the antidote to terror" or that we must "fight them over there so they don't come over here."
When the Bush administration leaves office, it also will leave a list of serious foreign policy failures. The administration will pass off a military vastly weaker than the one it inherited and larger nuclear programs in North Korea and Iran. On the singular issue of Islamic terrorism, the record is largely abysmal. President Bush inherited one jihadist safe haven in a relatively weak state, Afghanistan. He will leave office with two safe havens: one in nuclear-armed Pakistan, the other in Iraq -- in the heart of the oil-rich, increasingly unstable Middle East. Far from discredited and marginalized, our intelligence services warn that the ideology of radical Islam is enflamed. As the coup-de-grace, the administration is proposing to shower billions of dollars worth of advanced weaponry on the very Sunni autocrats responsible for whipping up the jihadist frenzy.
There will be a great incentive among politicians and policymakers to put a good deal of distance between themselves and this record. (Bush's basement level approval ratings don't help either.) But there is a deeper reason why non-interventionism will find more fertile soil years hence. America's current global commitments reflect antiquated, Cold War-era priorities that will only become more untenable as time passes.
As if that isn't enough...
"We should have a strong national defense but not be so frightened that we're afraid to talk to people," Paul said, contending that a traditional Republican position is advocating "non-internvention."
Logic Prisoner/Ron Paul posts...Google it bots.
America land of the free and the home of the scared. That should be the GOP platform. Go Ron Paul.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | October 27, 2007 10:30 PM
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/ron_paul_tear_down_missiles_mr.html
REP. PAUL: The people who say there will be a bloodbath are the ones who said it would be a cakewalk, it would be slam dunk, and that it would be paid for by oil. Why believe them? They've been wrong on everything they've said.
The truth hurts doesn't it John D and Bruce. Then again you guys are so brainwashed that no amount of reason can penetrate the Kool-Aid induced haze that blinds you. Ron Paul makes a great deal of sense which is why republicans won't vote for him. What a shame. Republicans reclaim your party. Don't let neo-con swindlers hijack conservatism and it's principles. John D your heros have failed you and brought shame upon the United States of America!!!
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | September 6, 2007 1:03 PM
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/wanted_ron_paul_vs_mike_huckab.html
I rest my case. Now get off my a%s!!!
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | December 3, 2007 8:21 AM
Hello,
Interesting article. Very goog journalism!
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Posted by: Jeff Shutz | December 3, 2007 11:38 AM
We need more coverage of the Good Doctor like this.
We also need some follow up storied on the NAFTA super-highway and why isn't anyone asking questions about the threat to our national sovereignty.
Posted by: Max | December 3, 2007 11:53 AM
People with an open mind usually find that Dr. Paul makes good sense. It is the people that are trying to defend the status quo that are usually bashing Dr. Paul with inccorrect arguements.
Ron Paul can no longer be labeled a "long shot" candidate as he absolutely dominates in the Straw Polls, Debate Polls, Fund Raising, Web Traffic and Grass Roots Networking and is clearly a "top tier" candidate for the Republican Presidential nomination.
Please visit www.thecaseforronpaul.com and see for yourself.
Posted by: Cleaner44 | December 3, 2007 12:24 PM
This is hilarious. John McCain showed to the world that he is too stupid to comprehend the difference between isolationism and non-intervention.... If he is too stupid to comprehend a simple concept like that, or thinks that he can fool the American public into Thinking they will believe his rubbish lies, then he is obviously not presidential material. Ron Paul is the one of the few honest, decent men in Washington, and our country urgently needs someone like him to turn our country around to reflect the will of the people, NOT the will of Govt and speci