Rep Guterrierz and the Democrats need to just forget about these late day impeachment calls. They have been in charge for almost a year and have punked out on just about everything. The first day of her term Nancy Pelosi admitted that they were lame and impeachment was not even in the cards.

This is what is so frustrating about Democrats. They always pick the wrong fights and loose the stomach for the ones that the country want them to engage in the most. The Bush admin has committed many offenses that an engaged Congress should be investigating.

The reason mainstream Dems don't support impeachment is because of the blowback from the Nixon days, and Iranscam, i.e. the Clinton impeachment. If you wonder why the congress shut down for weeks to pursue the case of a president having a private tryst with an intern, the answer is payback.

Dick Cheney is the most decent person this country has ever known. He knows how to have fun too. I remember hearing stories of how my grandpa and Mr. Cheney would get rowdy and stomp on baby squirrels. Todays kids think you have to have video games or booze to have a good time. Ever played kick the chipmunk you little whippersnappers? Its fun and you grow closer to your man friends, but not in a gay way.

I'm sure Congress' approval rating would go up if they tried to impeach any of these so called "people", like bu$h or chainsaw. But I am afraid there isn't enough time left to make is stick.

I think the better political approach now is for the Dem's to point out to the public how the republitards in Congress keep sending bills to the floor just so they can filibuster them and blame the Dem's for lack of action.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/washington/12cong.html?hp

Of course the dead ender, 26%, head in the sand, reich wingers will immediately point out that this is a NYT article. Like THAT makes it untrue or biased. This isn't faux (We tell you how to think, you agree) noise.

Would I love to see Bush and Cheney out of office? Absolutely. Do I feel that they deserve being thrown out of office? Absolutely.

My problem with all of this is a bigger picture of things.

This administration has committed numerous acts that should have been questioned along the way. Unfortunately, for six years we had the Republican Congress letting these folks do whatever they wanted. The Democrats come into office and literally don't know where to start.

If this country doesn't figure out a way how to prevent these types of things in the future, we are going to be in bigger trouble than even now.

We somehow need a system where Congress can take the President and his administration to court right away, and get a ruling within a relatively short amount of time.

There is another example of this in history. Robert Moses and NY. "The Power Broker" by Robert Cato. MANY times Moses would do things (he worked for the city and the state of NY) that were blatantly illegal. Use of eminent domain was one of them. By the time the case ever got to court, the bridge, dam, road, etc. were already significantly under construction. Court would rule against Moses, but let the work continue.

I welcome Rep. Gutierrez'actions against Dirty Dick Cheney-they are late, but better late than never.
The fact that Pelosi is acting as a protector for Cheney, and is working for enemy-"banker" Felix Rohatyn, for instance-is all the more reason for Dems like Iraq, and prevent a dictatorship!

I welcome any impeachment attempt by the jerks from the Demoncratic party.; Bring it on, folks, bring it on. Let's have hearings on everything and then we can expose the fact that the Dems were saying the same stuff as the Repubs about Iraq.
But the best reason for the Dems to try impeachment is that is will rally the conservative base and turn off many independents, handing the republicans a huge victory in 2008. So, BRING IT ON!!

VPM a covert agent? OK, I will buy that if you won up to the fact that you too are a covert agent for Iraq.

I thought the people of Chicago were better than that, electing tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. But then you do somehow keep re-electing Little Dick Daley....

I'd welcome impeachment as well, for the simple reason that it holds ANY future President, of any party, to a code of behavior that upholds the Constitution and the balance of power that was set forth in it.

When Clinton was impeached, there were many who argued he should be put through this process because he'd "betrayed the trust" of the People. He was then subjected to questioning UNTIL he finally got caught perjuring himself. At that point, there was a criminal charge that could be levied against him. That sounds like a fair and equitable process, then, for Bushco.

John D.

First of all the Democrats, as well as others, we agreeing with the administration about Iraq based on information provided to them by the ADMINISTRATION. The administration had MORE information that wasn't shared with others.

Impeachment of these two goes WAY BEYOND Iraq.

Cheney learned his lessons well from serving in the Nixon administration and the concept of an all powerful President.

Executive Privilege and the extension of this concept beyond where it has been used in the past. The same goes for the concept of state secrets. Signing Statements. The entire idea of "detainees" and the way that some of them have been handled, such as the renderings and torture (both direct by the CIA and indirect by others). FISA. The AG scandal. The list goes on from there. All of these have been put into effect without any oversight. More to the point in order to find out if they are legal, or not, you have to go to court. A rather ponderous process. So far, this administration hasn't done too well in court.

Johnny D:

According to Keith Olbermann, there are currently 47 scandals involving the Bush Administration right now.

And do you really think that impeachment would turn off the independents?? I think it would do the opposite - it would finally show the independents that the Democrats have the spine to do something.

And as for "exposing" the Dems about Iraq - it is well known that Bush/Cheney only gave Congress the information they wanted to give them - you know, cherry-picking. Anything that was against what they were saying was not passed on to the Legislative branch.

Dogjudge has it right - if we would have had a Congress that had any type of oversight of this administration, we would be a lot better off now.

"BUSH SPEAKS IN THE ROSE GARDEN"

Well we know why we had the flashdance Bush Press Conferences at the beginning of the Month. It was D Day that was in remembrance that morning, it was the fact that DICK CHENEY IS UP FOR IMPEACHMENT AND AMERICA WAS NOT TO HEAR THAT, BUT HOW GREAT THE SECULAR ETHNO CLEANSING GOING ON IN IRAQ. OR HOW POPPY HAS CHANGED THE COURSE OF THE TALIBAN, AND NEGROPONTE DEATHSQUADS WERE NOT NEEDED YET!

Look where we are since September the 11th.

Still Listening to "SEE SPOT RUN, SEE AMERICA RUN"
OR THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF IN 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, AND NOW 07. We are still listening to IT'S AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION, WE WILL NOT TURN OVER EMAILS, WE WILL NOT ANSWER CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS, BUT WE WILL VETO, AND VETO, AND FILLIBUSTER YOU BACK TO THE STONE AGES OUTSIDE CRAWFORD.

Just think in 2005, Iraw was a year of progress towards meeting our GOAL OF VICTORY.

So now that the fight is in our own backyards and we are finding out that it is us fighting us, from immigration, FDA, Medicare vs medical care, MERCK FAILURE ON EVERY DRUG THEY MADE. PEOPLE DYING AND YOUR CHILDREN BECOMING STERIL, AUTISTIC.

RECALL AFTER RECALL AFTER RECALL.

SO IMPEACH, CENSOR, DO SOMETHING BUT PLEASE STOP THIS MIEN KEMPF MACHINE FROM BRINGING BACK A PISSED OFF BLACKWATER MARSHALL LAW TEAM OF TIMOTHY MCVEIGHS!

FORGET THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES. THE FIGHT FOR THE WHITEHOUSE BEGINS NOW.

NOW IS THE TIME TO JUST LOOK TWO MEN IN THE EYE AND SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

YOU'RE DONE!

AND TAKE DAVID ADDINGTON, FRED FIELDING, AND FORMER SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY MICHAEL CHERTOF WITH YOU.

ALL ABOARD! BUSH MEIN KEMPF II TRAIN TO CRAWFORD, TEXAS.

"BUSH SPEAKS IN THE ROSE GARDEN"

Well we know why we had the flashdance Bush Press Conferences at the beginning of the Month. It was D Day that was in remembrance that morning, it was the fact that DICK CHENEY IS UP FOR IMPEACHMENT AND AMERICA WAS NOT TO HEAR THAT, BUT HOW GREAT THE SECULAR ETHNO CLEANSING GOING ON IN IRAQ. OR HOW POPPY HAS CHANGED THE COURSE OF THE TALIBAN, AND NEGROPONTE DEATHSQUADS WERE NOT NEEDED YET!

Look where we are since September the 11th.

Still Listening to "SEE SPOT RUN, SEE AMERICA RUN"
OR THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF IN 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, AND NOW 07. We are still listening to IT'S AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION, WE WILL NOT TURN OVER EMAILS, WE WILL NOT ANSWER CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS, BUT WE WILL VETO, AND VETO, AND FILLIBUSTER YOU BACK TO THE STONE AGES OUTSIDE CRAWFORD.

Just think in 2005, Iraw was a year of progress towards meeting our GOAL OF VICTORY.

So now that the fight is in our own backyards and we are finding out that it is us fighting us, from immigration, FDA, Medicare vs medical care, MERCK FAILURE ON EVERY DRUG THEY MADE. PEOPLE DYING AND YOUR CHILDREN BECOMING STERIL, AUTISTIC.

RECALL AFTER RECALL AFTER RECALL.

SO IMPEACH, CENSOR, DO SOMETHING BUT PLEASE STOP THIS MIEN KEMPF MACHINE FROM BRINGING BACK A PISSED OFF BLACKWATER MARSHALL LAW TEAM OF TIMOTHY MCVEIGHS!

FORGET THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES. THE FIGHT FOR THE WHITEHOUSE BEGINS NOW.

NOW IS THE TIME TO JUST LOOK TWO MEN IN THE EYE AND SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

YOU'RE DONE!

AND TAKE DAVID ADDINGTON, FRED FIELDING, AND FORMER SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY MICHAEL CHERTOF WITH YOU.

ALL ABOARD! BUSH MEIN KEMPF II TRAIN TO CRAWFORD, TEXAS.

This is the same Gutierrez who was an advocate for the FALN terrorists? Maybe impeachment should be a two-way street. Here's what the Sun-Times said about Gutierrez when he asked Pres. Clinton to pardon the 16 terrorists: "The FALN was involved in 130 bombings; five people were killed, and 84 were injured. But Gutierrez's bad record on the FALN does not stand alone. After the Oklahoma City bombing in 1996, he voted against the Anti-Terrorism Act. And after the Sept. 11 attacks, he was the only Democrat to vote against both Democrat- and Republican-backed airline security bills." Clinton (husband of one of the current presidential candidates) granted clemency to all 16 over massive objections from their victims and prison officials and others.

John D chants "Bring it On"... How appropriate that he repeats one of Bush's typical tone deaf faux tough guy terms. Next thing you know, he'll say he wants someone "Dead or Alive". That will of course, based on GOP history, ensure that person's continued freedom to operate.

Bobin, you are best to not get your information from Keith Olbermann. The National Enquirer has more credibility. 47 investigations? Sorry, not the case, unless he is referring to Henry Waxman's witch hunts.

And dogjudge, sorry, but Democrats were saying much the same thing BEFORE Bush became president. The lie that there were saying that stuff only because of intelligence supplied to them by Bush is just that: a lie.

In fact, before he said he was always against the Iraq War last week, in 2003, Bill Clinton said he supported the war because he was getting the exact same intelligence as Bush was getting when he was president.

Sorry to burst your brainwashed bubbles folks, but them thar the facts!!

These guys are nuts ... just nuts. Frankly, I'd like to see them pull the trigger on this impeachment bs and complete their descent into utter irrelevancy.

Posted by: Roger Morris | December 14, 2007 3:09 PM

Now there's an intelligent and coherent post. Still think men haven't landed on the moon either?

Subsunk

John D.

Your reading comprehension skills are barely above your writing skills.

Please note I minimized any discussion of Iraq. I gave you NUMEROUS other reasons why Bush and Cheney could be impeached.

Sorry to burst your brainwashed bubbles folks, but them thar the facts!!

Posted by: John D | December 14, 2007 3:46 PM

John D. wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on his dumb, brainwashed ass.

What took so long and why stop there?

"Sorry to burst your brainwashed bubbles folks, but them thar the facts!!

Posted by: John D | December 14, 2007 3:46 PM

John D. wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on his dumb, brainwashed ass.

Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | December 14, 2007 6:56 PM"

The FACT, much as it sickens me to mention it, is that the reason impeachment won't happen (much as it SHOULD) is that the DOJ is now an arm of the Republican Party and specifically the White House. As we've seen recently, it acts to aid and abet Bush, Cheney et al in their coverups and lies. And when it's in collusion with those being investigated, there's no way to trust it for honesty and impartiality.

I think the best we can hope for is to wait until a Democratic President and a clear majority of Democrats in Congress simply kick out all appellate judges (common at the beginning of any administration and now made legal in ANY case by precedent of Bush) in order to replace them with clearly Democratic-leaning judges (that's ALSO been made acceptable by recent precedent) who'll act as extensions for the party. They can declare it legal to chase down ALL of Bush's administration, from ex-President to the last Assistant Administrative Assistant to the lowest raanking Undersecretary, and put them ALL on trial, making sure to declare it legal for any requested bit of information to be dragged out of whatever hold it's been hidden in. This time, the Contempt of Court and of Congress charges will actually STICK.

If no prison-worthy case can be found from that, then the President can declare them all enemy combatants (it's now the sole discretion of the President, remember) and send them all to some undisclosed location, with no legal counsel and under no charges, for an indeterminate length of time, where they can be subjected to "intensive questioning" to come at the truth. That would ALSO be legal now.

Luis Guitierrez voted against the Anti-Terrorism Act after 911 and asked Clinton to pardon 16 FALN Terrorists who killed some 130 people.This is the same guy who is an authority on impeachment. I don't think so.
Luis got an obvious agenda that doesn't have anything to do with the guilt or innocence of Dick Cheney a great American more than you can say about Luis. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Ye Gads -- most of these comments sound like an O'Reilly "factor" -- impeach "b.s."? There IS time enough. Sure, it should have happened sooner. But ... and getting anything done without impeachment won't happen because of the "signing statements" and veto power. Citizens see these people getting by without answering for their acts and crimes. What kind of precedent is that? Once they leave office, THEN it will be far too late. And .. don't count on progressive changes to happen with Dems, who appear to be just as spineless now, with all the momentum in the world behind them, as they were before they had any majority. Only impeachment will engage and invigorate the electorate. Otherwise, the malaise may cause total destruction.

Congressman Guitierez,

If you so firmly believe that Vice-President Cheney has committed impeachable offenses, it is your sworn duty to bring these charges in front of Congress. If you do not perform this duty, shouldn't you be impeached from office yourself?

Stand up for the Constitution. Impeach Cheney.

The Clinton impeachment shut down Congress, because it was a Republican Congress that was not interested in getting the work of government done, and they preferred to pursue a Democratic President's personal problems. By contrast, impeachment of Cheney (and Bush) would be by a Democratic Congress that is serious about government, pursing a White House that has engaged in criminal acts against the country. The Republican Congress WANTED to shut government down (recall they did this with a long-delayed budget). The Democratic Congress wants to get work done, which includes impeaching two criminals in the White House.

Congratulations to the three Congressmen for having the courage to stand up to Cheney and to stand for the Constitution. And congratulations too, to the SUN for being one of the very, very few U.S. newspapers to carry the story.

thank god someone uderstands that 4000 innocent americans killed in action for oil profits under a lying criminal high crimes and misdemeanor admin is worse than sexual slander.