Another Trib columnist who's into channeling far-left group press releases. And too partisan, or too lazy, to phone Fox to get their point of view.

Mr. Oliphant, perhaps you'll do an article sometime about the Tribune and tv stations refusing to run anti-abortion ads showing photos of an aborted child?

We make fun of countries like Russia, China, Venezuela, and many others for media censcorship. But, in matter of fact, our very own country does the same thing!

If you are going to preach Free Press, then practice it. Otherwise, you shouldn't ask other countries to do the same things.

What the problem? So Fox fact checks their political adds, big deal. When the Swift Boat Veterans proved that John Kerry intentionally shot himself, wrote out his own injury reports and gave himself Purple Hearts, Fox allowed those adds to be run. Just being fair and balanced and these anti-American liberals want smears and lies to be televised. Sorry pinko commies it doesn't work that way. Republicans cannot be bought. I defy you to name three who have in the history of this great Republic! I could rattle off thousands of corrupt Dumbocrats, starting with Teddy Ruxpin Kennedy.

Fox in the hen house again?

"According the website Media Matters for America, Fox News sent the center an email saying the channel couldn't run the ad seemingly because the center couldn't prove that the actual Constitution, the document from 1789, was being physically shredded by the Bush adminstration."

Well, at least noone can claim Fox News doesn't have a sense of humor!

That's friggin hilarious! Gotta give it to them on this one.

"A liberal advocacy group says Fox News has refused to air its ad, which depicts a replica of the Constitution being put through a shredder."

"In the ad, actor Danny Glover says, "The Bush administration is destroying the Constitution. They can be stopped. Rescue the Constitution."
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Yeah, but Faux News will tell you about how we're "winning" in Iraq and how important it is that we invade Iran:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs

Here's Faux News "star" Bill-O being "fair and balanced" as usual:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edYeqzTJci4&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/142345/94

Fox is all to willing to go actual and literal when it suits their purposes. It is an add. Figurative, interpretive, and suggestive. Kinda like that Fox figurative, interpretive, and suggestive "al-Qaeda started the CA forest fires" blurb.

Everytime Fox says "Fair and Balanced" we all know it is an opinion rather than fact. What is the difference?

Another Trib columnist who's into channeling far-left group press releases. And too partisan, or too lazy, to phone Fox to get their point of view.

Mr. Oliphant, perhaps you'll do an article sometime about the Tribune and tv stations refusing to run anti-abortion ads showing photos of an aborted child?

Posted by: PorknBeans | December 3, 2007 2:54 PM

Apple, meet Orange

Orange, Apple.

Oh, wait... here comes Strawman.

PorknBeans, I mean Bruce,
Are you suggesting that this add in question is too graphic for Fox TV?

FAIR AND BALANCED???????

PRAVDA PRAVDA PRAVDA

It appears Fox reserves the right to edit or reject ads at its discretion--which is precisely the DNC Swamp's policy with regard to postings.

We all understand why James Oliphant blew up this nothing into a story. He wanted to give some left wing group free play for its ad, an ad nobody will otherwise view.

When it comes to giving publicity to left wing attack ads, the DNC Swamp gives a new meaning to the term "free" press.

Mr. Oliphant, perhaps you'll do an article sometime about the Tribune and tv stations refusing to run anti-abortion ads showing photos of an aborted child?

Posted by: PorknBeans | December 3, 2007 2:54 PM

Or maybe they could show what war is really like so the guys who have never been closer than their 50 inch screen TV could get a little taste.

Brucie:

Which means that CNN and MSNBC would have the right to not run some right wing garbage themselves, right??

I would be that it that did happen, you would be the first one yelling about "liberal bias" in the media.

Steven:

When did the Swift Boat Veterans prove that John Kerry shot himself?? You're kidding, right??

And you want the names of three bought Republicans??

Cunningham

DeLay

Any members of the Bush administration who have pleaded guilty to fraud while in the administration. Lots more than 3.

Danny Glover?? and you call it an "advocacy group"???

Holy crap.

Isn't it ironic that their bud Hugo Chavez tried to do radically alter the Venezuelan constitution?

These people are nuts.

Advocacy group!?!?!

Holy Cow, Maybe the NYT will subsidize the ad.

I guess one man's whacko crazy, lunatic fringe, beyond belief, ignorant, baseless argument and distortion of facts group is another man's "advocacy group"

right James?

Unbelievable

check out thier website that "other" issues they are for.....like suing Caterpillar! www.beyondguantanamo.org

What next?...describing Code Pink as "concerned housewives"?

Hey guys!!! the CCR is nice enough to host "poems from Guantanamo" "the detainees speak"

I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP.

Thier website is better than the Onion.

Check it out.

http://ccrjustice.org/get-involved/calendar/poems-guant%C3%A1namo%3A-detainees-speak

Oh yeah....just a little ol' advocacy group.

Left wingers are hysterical.

JD-

They want to sue Caterpillar?

Great God, what kind of traitors are these? Don't they know our corporate leaders are above the law, and that we all exist to serve their needs?

Send them all to Gitmo for severe torture before we put them in font of the firing squad!

Long Live Caterpillar! Government of the Corporation, by the Corporation, for the Corporation!

Several points here:
1. Did the Swamp make a big deal when NBC didn't show ads from conservative outlets? The recent ads highlighting Iraqi War Vets who spoke out in favor of not cutting and running didn't meet NBC's muster. So, did the Trib cover that? No, they did not.
2. Media Matters? Why does the Tribune and Swamp folks continue to quote Media Matters, a left-wing organization partially created by the Clintons? Tell me, Tribsters, has Media Matters ever taken a news source other than conservative outlets to task? No, they have not.
3. Danny Glover? The same actor who has flown to Venezuala to kiss Hugo Chavez and speak ill of this country?

Is it possible for the Tribune reporters to even make a stab at responsible and balanced reporting?

Hey BobATl.
What did Delay plead guilty to?

When it comes to giving publicity to left wing attack ads, the DNC Swamp gives a new meaning to the term "free" press.

Posted by: Bruce | December 3, 2007 3:42 PM

Bruce gives new meaning to term "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ".

75% of the Fox is about sensational personality stories. Peterson, OJ, Britney ........ 24 hour Peterson coverage. It is the Entertainment Tonight for suspected criminals and celebrities. Only idiots watch it for news.

JT,
Blaming and suing a great company like Caterpillar for the IDF, Palestinian conflict due to CCR's thought process of an immature teen girl is not grounds for being put in Guantanamo, nor should it be.

It is, however, grounds for ridicule.

Going to the Gitmo Poetry reading JT?

I can't make it, so please take notes for me and let me know which beheading hiku was the best one.

thanks JT.

"Long Live Caterpillar! Government of the Corporation, by the Corporation, for the Corporation!"

Just like the Nazis right JT?
You've been reading and buying into all the left wing sites, Bush is Hitler, corporations are evil etc....

Well, sorry to break it to you, but the term "corporatism" doesn't necessarilty mean "corporations" as in big business. It means any body that is un elected, yet has influence over the govt.

You know....like Trade Unions and Trial Lawyer Associations!

Sorry to burst the left wing fun fest going on in your head, but if I had a dollar for ever 2nd rate left winger who spouts off about "corporatism" and Halliburton etc....I'd be rich enough to live in one of those liberal playground towns like Santa Fe, or Manhatten.

I guess one man's whacko crazy, lunatic fringe, beyond belief, ignorant, baseless argument and distortion of facts group is another man's "advocacy group"
right James?
Unbelievable
check out thier website that "other" issues they are for.....like suing Caterpillar! www.beyondguantanamo.org
What next?...describing Code Pink as "concerned housewives"?

Posted by: JD | December 3, 2007 4:43 PM

Just Dumb,

It's nice to see that there are fascist wannabe's like you are on here sticking up for Pravda...I mean Faux "News", Heil Chimpy!
http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?media=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv88%2FOutspoken_animosity%2F131105perspective.jpg&searchTerm=fox%20news&pageOffset=2

Just "shut up" and listen to the "fair and balanced" network, waterboy JD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6V5ywIelo8

"FOX SPEAKS" WE ARE NOT FAIR, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN FAIR, AND WE WILL NEVER BE FAIR"

SO WE WILL NOT BE AIRING THE GOP PRIMARY IN MINNESOTA, WE WILL BE AIRING IT FROM LARRY CRAIGS BACKYARD BOOTY BUSTING BARBECUE.

KARL ROVE IS THE GUEST SPEAKER SO BRING YOU APPLES AND YOUR TAP TAP SHOES AS IT WILL BE THE BIGGEST FOX GAYLA THIS YEAR.

BIGGER THAN THE NIGHT GEORGE BUSH SR, GOT A CALL FROM JEB AND KATHERINE HARRIS. I JUST LEFT THE STALL AND SHE IS ON BOARD!

WE GOT THIS DADDY!, WE GOT THIS, FORGET THE CONSTITUTION, WE ARE NOT DOWN WITH ALL THAT.

NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

What more proof do we need now that John E. has crawled out to defend them.

wow John E. I watched the little Youtube edit job. No wonder you guys are always so angry.

You're delusional and need edited, taken out of context stories or videos to justify the lunacy in your mind.

Do you really take that youtube clip seriously?

A liberal advocacy group says Fox News has refused to air its ad, which depicts a replica of the Constitution being put through a shredder.

In the ad, actor Danny Glover says, "The Bush administration is destroying the Constitution. They can be stopped. Rescue the Constitution."

Fox Noise, where the truth hurts. No surprise that a GOP propaganda outlet would do this. Also no surprise that Bruce, and John D slam The Swamp for reporting this fact. Fox Noise is guilty of complicity in the exact point the advertisement makes. A tacit endorsement of the Bush administration.

By not airing this ad Fox has been exposed by Center for Constitutional Rights as being what they are. One big GOP propaganda machine.

This kind of political favoritism censorship FOX practices, is EXACTLY why there are so many ignorant ones among us, such as Steven Richardson, who can't see the obvious demise of democracy going full speed, because he watches the government/media entities (FOX and most orf the rest of the defense industry invested networks) to make us fall deeper into the hole of fascism, and that is literally farther into the actual definition of it. We have 99% of all the characteristics of fascism.

Free speech is only powerful when it reaches masses of people, like through the networks, but controlling the contents, makes free speech weak, and still controls mental perception, leaving us only with the internet. Thank God for that, but the media supposedly being the 4th estate of democracy, keeping the public abreast of reality, boy, is that a tragic failure at this point in time, thanks to the corporate control of it, which profits off of the war. Google up "The 14 characteristics of fascism" by "Laurence Britt". He has a political science doctorate. Those advocating for FOX, might start to realize how far we have descended into it. MAYBE. Mostly pride prevents them from flexing their minds though. They have completey abandoned, these FOX defenders, their own capacity for discernment of reality, abandoning everything they learned of what we as a country stood for.

Since when is torture our beloved America's policy? Since when is illegal wiretapping American? Since when does a president override legislation ?(not just vetoes, and vetoes are a mild control, compared to his signing statements) Since when does abandoning a right to trial, stand for American values? Since Bush kept gulliable folks shivering in their shorts! Fools. You should be afraid of the path our country has taken more so than anything else.

So JD work for Fox huh...you're kinda like the energized buddy on this...this was undoubtedly your idea too...go on defend it. However, I'd love to know what Gitmo poems have anything to do with this. Kinda over the top jab. Especially since those poems were SCREENED BEFORE BEING RELEASED. I wanna know why you have a problem with something that your buddies signed off on . Wait, no I don't. Maybe you should read some of them. I have. I also read prison writing. It's been around forever, and some of the most potent came from the civil rights movement. There's the letter from the Birmingham Jail. I hope you don't mean go all Chavez and completely censor prison writing. If anything it reminds us that we can take the criminal out of the community, justified or not, but we can not take away the human out of the criminal. It's called empathy.

Here go the Neo-Con Neo-Nazis again. I really can't tell the difference between Bruce and John D. and the rest of the world's tyrants - you have some vivid imagination about the threats to the US and would wipe their arses with the constitution when parts do not fit some grand scheme of global domination because "God says its our destiny!"

Fox is stupid does.

If CNN and other so called "liberal" news outlets block commercials that they don't like, and FOX does as well, why should we be surprised.

But, Neo-Cons, do not be so holier-than-thou when FOX is exposed for their duplicity.

Mr. Glover should stick to what he stumbles through best which is making movies and leave the conduct of the War on Terror to the professionals.

Demented and deranged John E giving us his youtube-found videos. Earth to John E: O'Reilly only told two people in that clip to "shut up." The other examples were not him telling someone to "shut up!"

But you keep watching your Keith Olberidiot program for fair and balanced, OK?

By the way, Geraldo "right wing??" Now, that is a laugh!

Romney stated just last week he wouldn't have a member of a particular religion as a cabinet member. Why shouldn't evangelicals hold his religion against him?

Seems only fair.

Posted by: Cheryl | December 3, 2007 6:27 PM

That's o.k. They don't show hosts with brains either!

The Nation, The NYT, The Chicago Trib, all have placed adds by conservative right wing groups as a matter of policy.

Guess Fox Gnus doesn't trust their base.

No wonder you guys are always so angry.
Posted by: JD | December 3, 2007 6:28 PM

Without a doubt, you continue to be the angriest dude in the Swamp.
The pot calling the kettle black doesn't suit you very well.

Fox News has more Democrats opining for it (among others, Gabler, Coomes, Hall, Williams, and Eliason) than the DNC Swamp has Republicans writing for it.

Fox News has more Democrats opining for it (among others, Gabler, Coomes, Hall, Williams, and Eliason) than the DNC Swamp has Republicans writing for it.

Posted by: Bruce | December 4, 2007 12:41 AM

Your credibilty is nil since your statement that Obama's secret service protection was unnecessary because presidential candidates have never been in danger. (Robert Kennedy)
And anyway, who gives a s**t about what student council member they voted for 30 years ago. What is the opiners net worth and who do they shill for? That's the real test of bias.

In related news, Venezuelan dictator-to-be Hugo Chavez is financing two of Danny Glover's movies.

Danny Glover should be an expert at Constitution-shredding, since he's a client and vocal supporter of a Constitution-shredding South American Caudillo.

Danny Glover might be a good one to unseat Ms. Off The Table Pelosi--or Ms. Vote With The Pugs DiFi.

It appears that Fox News is not news at all, but an arm of the Cheney/Bush regime (aka Chush) and the GOP.

ABC, are you serious?

Oh man, its worse than I thought.

This "advocacy group" is nuts. Why you or the swamp can't see it is beyond me.

Hey ABC, I'll go buy a "free Mumia" t shirt and start listening to his musings.

Will that make me a person more to your liking?

Pathetic is the only word I can think of to describe you left wingers.

It's nice to see that Catepillar is now on the list of U.S. companies the Left hates.
Hmmm, we have McDonalds, Boeing, Motorola, Ford, GM, Rj Reynolds, Kraft, Hostess, Burger King, Wendy's, Kelloggs, Prudential, Blue Cross Blue Sheild, Merck, Con Agra, Haliburton, Exxon-Mobil, Citicorp, Wells Fargo, Wal-Mart, Sears, Countrywide, Bechtel, All-State, State Farm, all pharmaceutical companies, all insurance companies, all manufacturing companies, all energy companies, most retail companies, most food companies, all hospital companies. Gee, do you Loons like any U.S. company?

JD,

My over the top friend.
I SAID DEFEND THIS (THE AD PULL) IF YOU WANT. THAT ENTAILS "THINK WHAT YOU WILL" ABOUT THE "ADVOCACY GROUP." My comment was more directed towards your over the top jab at the Gitmo writing. Just because you might not like the "advocacy group," or their portrayal of the writings--it does not mean that the writing is worthless. Which is what you want to reduce it too, and continue to by equating it to "T-shirts," "musings," and "me liking you because of it." Can you be any more immature. Not that you care but if I can have empathy for the story of others--killer or not- they are someone's son, someone's husband, someone's nephew, someone lost, someone looking for redemption, someone lost in anger, someone in pain....whatever I feel about their choices in life or their actions...I still can find the empathy.... therefore I'm not so shallow. I probably don't need you to conform to my standards--my liking--, if I didn't need that from detainees, in order to recognize I can still relate to you on a human level even if I don't agree with you, JD.

They like Starbucks, and whatever company they work for.

That's all John D.

Danny Glover and a stupid ad weren't allowed to run by Media matters Hil's giant think tank.
Good for Fox News give Hil the same treatment the Clinton's have given everybody else.
The Clinton War Room is s till alive and well and whining. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

"Not that you care but if I can have empathy for the story of others--killer or not- they are someone's son, someone's husband, someone's nephew, someone lost, someone looking for redemption, someone lost in anger, someone in pain...."

Wow.

ABC what would posess you to want to go out of your way to not only read, but host an event on people that the US military has claimed were picked up on the "battlefield" in our on going war on terror? Go ahead and give a patented sarcastic remark about our President and/or military in response. Its the de facto response I expect.

But may I ask?

What social redeeming value does this have besides asuaging some sort of inner guilt/self and govt. loathing you may have? To me, such an attitude does nothing but allow you and others to massage your inflated sense or morality and intellectualism based on your own malignant narcissicm. For examples, see the cause celeb of "tookie" and "mumia" I would put a group like CCR is that same category. Your desire to read the musings of such people believes you yearn to find justification in thier actions.

Is it just basic denial?

You tell me.

Honestly, what do you get out of this?

This is a fantastic thread. You've got John Dyslin backslapping his alter ego "JD," and of course the usual Bruce "The Liberal Media Scourge" baseless whining. All in all high entertainment!

Sorry. I thought we were done.

Obviously I said that I don't agree with you on the worth of prison writing. Just because you disagree with me does not mean I will de fact to the importance or irrelevance of the military or the importance or irrelevance their judgment. Especially, since I'm not arguing for or against the ad, for or against the Gitmo detainees, for against the CCR, or for or against the military; I said "killer or not" and "justified or not." See I'm not disputing or debating any of these issues. As far as you may be concerned I might have the same views on these topics.

When Pope John Paul was almost assassinated by one of these nuts...was it denial that brought him to the mans prison??? Is denial the only reason for empathy??

What social redeeming value does this have ??? Again.

"If anything it reminds us that we can take the criminal out of the community, justified or not, but we can not take away the human out of the criminal. It's called empathy."

So we can put them away, but we can never forget they are people. Prison writing reminds us of what we put away-- people. Maybe the worst of the worst people...but people. Forgetting that they are human would result in no standards for ANY kind of treatment. Then we would be no better than they are, right? These writings reflect the changes within our own US prisons and prisons like Gitmo. Prisons have gone through a lot of models. Each time changes are made you evaluate the crime control model, the policy at the time, how they impact the prisons, get independent evaluation of the operation/conditions, but you also have to talk to those it affects the most--detainees or prisoners.

As to your examples, there is good prison writing and bad prison writing. You don't know what you are dealing with unless you read it. Sometimes, like my earlier example, civil rights, you only can evaluate the importance of it in hind sight.

Fair enough ABC

If absurd that many Americans think that those of us here in Guantanamo are treating the prisoners poorly. We are committed to the safe and humane treatment of those captured on the battlefield, just as we would want those fighting against us to be towards us. Visit the JTF Guantanamo website to see what we are really about: http://www.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil.

"ABC what would posess you to want to go out of your way to not only read, but host an event on people that the US military has claimed were picked up on the "battlefield" in our on going war on terror? "

Hey, JD, did you know that amongst the so-called terrorists were are pair of jokers who were grabbed Pakistan for running a satirical newpaper that mocked some local mullahs? They were shipped to Gitmo because of a story which alledgedly threatened the POTUS. The story they ran followed Clinton's offer of a bounty of several million Dollars for Bin Laden and they proposed a bounty of the same amount in the local Afghan currency (worth about $20) on Clinton by return.

The Pakistani SIS picked them up and had them shipped them to Gitmo. It took 2 years for the so-called 'combatants' to get out, largely because Gitmo relies too heavily on the sort of "intelligence" that sent us all marching into Iraq. Close that place downa and try them in a proper court. Or is the constitutional right of Habeus Corpus meaningless?