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Posted December 10, 2007 10:39 AM
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by Jill Zuckman

Manchester, N.H. – Mark Penn, the top strategist to Hillary Clinton, has a new memo out this morning. The sum and substance of it adds up to "we're still winning."

Penn argues that there are so many polls out these days that no one is paying attention to which is which, which is credible and which actually shows a trend one way or another. (And don't mix and match the different polls when making comparisons, he instructs.)

He offers the cognoscenti and the pundits a few reminders. Clinton started out well behind in Iowa and it's now competitive. The new Mason-Dixon poll originally showed her down 9 points in South Carolina, but now has her up by three. Many people seized on the new poll to say the race is tightening there, he said. And last week, three New Hampshire polls showed her with widely varying leads – 14 points, 11 points and 6 points.

"These races are always roller coasters, with so many different polls and so many different results," Penn writes. "So to wrap up – poll reader beware."

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Mark Penn, you can try to spin it however you want but at the end of the day you know...the lead is slipping away.

Obama 08


Penn on high spin cycle.


I want to see a WOMAN elected president in my lifetime, and I hope Hillary "Gives Them Hell!"

Hillary 08


Hillary's historic statement at the United Nations Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 that "women's rights are human rights" still echoes worldwide. As a lawyer, advocate, First Lady, and senator, Hillary has fought for issues important to women here at home and around the world for decades. Today, despite the progress women have made, they earn only 77 cents for every dollar men earn -- and women of color earn even less. Hillary is leading the charge in the Senate to strengthen equal pay laws and end pay disparities between men and women. She introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act to strengthen the penalties associated with wage discrimination, to ensure that the federal government sets a higher standard, and to increase oversight of employers. Hillary has also worked to increase access to capital and other support for women-owned businesses.
When it comes to each woman's ability to make the most personal of life decisions, Hillary has stood firm as an advocate for a woman's right to choose. She has expanded access to family planning services, including for low-income women. She spoke out forcefully against the Supreme Court's April 2007 decision that -- for the first time in decades -- failed to recognize the importance of women's health.
Hillary has worked to empower women throughout the world, especially low-income women. She has advocated for access to microfinance programs that enable women to start their own businesses and spoken out strongly against the tragic practice of sex trafficking.
As president, Hillary will continue her lifelong fight to ensure that all Americans are treated with respect and dignity.

Hillary has fought the relentless and insidious efforts by far-right Republicans to limit the protections of Roe v Wade, while also working hard to expand access to family planning services.
Hillary has seen what happens when governments try to control a woman's reproductive health decisions. Whether it was Romania under a dictatorship saying you had to have children for the good of the state or China saying you had to have only one child for the good of the state, governments have dictated the most private and important decisions that we as individuals or families can make.
She has championed the Prevention First Act, which expands access to family planning services for low-income women, requires health insurance companies to cover contraception, and provides a dedicated funding stream for age-appropriate, medically accurate, comprehensive sex education.
As First Lady, she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act and helped found the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancies, which established and achieved a goal of reducing teen pregnancies by one-third between 1996 and 2005.
In partnership with Senator Patty Murray, Hillary waged a successful three-year battle to get the Food and Drug Administration to accept the overwhelming recommendation of the medical community and make Plan B (the "morning after" pill) available over the counter.
Hillary's work to empower low-income women has changed lives. She fought for the elimination of school fees, which prevent poor children in some countries from attending school, and for investments in health care and education for women and girls. And she helped found Vital Voices, a not-for-profit organization that continues to work to support women's leadership around the globe.


"Madame President of the United States...it's an extraordinary thought. We truly are in a momentous time, where a woman's potential has no limitations," said Streisand. "Hillary Clinton has already proven to a generation of women that there are no limits for success. She is driven by her passion for public service and her belief in the enormous potential of our country. Smart, capable and strong in her convictions, Hillary has transcended the dictates of what is thought to be possible for our time.

"Hillary is a powerful voice for change as we find our country at an important crossroads. Under her leadership, our country will regain its respect within the global community. She will prioritize issues of global climate change, universal healthcare and rebuilding a strong economy. After 8 long years, the public will once again have faith in their government.

"Another former first lady, Eleanor Roosevelt once wrote, 'In government, in business, and in the professions there may be a day when women will be looked upon as persons. We are, however, far from that day as yet.' More than 50 years later 'that day' is now upon us...and Hillary Clinton is ready to shatter through that glass ceiling for all women."

Streisand has been working on behalf of Democratic candidates for over forty years, performing at fundraisers and participating in campaign events. In addition, the Streisand Foundation has raised millions for causes including the environment, women's equality as well as human and civil rights and liberties.

"I'm honored to have Barbra's support," said Clinton. "Barbra has used her immense talent to be an advocate for truth, justice, and fairness and I deeply appreciate her confidence in my candidacy as we work together to change the direction of our nation."


Obviously the previous two posts are copy/paste from some desperate Hillary campaign workers trolling news sites. Pathetic. Are there any Hillary supporters who post comments like normal rational people?


The Clintons are whistling past the graveyard. The worst thing a candidate can do is to believe her own press releases.


With an Obama win in Iowa, white america will wake up and confront the issue of whether they want a man of color in their White House. Conclusion: a resounding NO! The republican thugs are dying to run against Obama because they know he is not electable. Ohio and Idiana will go red. Senator Clinton is the only chance we have at the presidency in 2008. You Obama supporters refuse to confront the issue of race when it is on everyone's mind. People will tell pollsters anything because they do not want to offend. I will not vote for him but not because of the color of his skin. Every time he opens his mouth, I have another reason not to vote for this woefully inexperience and very young man. And the O & O show this weekend was embarassing. Winfrey telling me who to vote for. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME LADY!


Barack is the man of our time. He neither neither too young nor too old. He is more than 50/50 white/black and if you consider to his Asian relatives and African ancestry. He can call Oprah sister and also refuse hunting ivitation from his uncle Dick Chenney. This is what Oprah was saying without mentioning it of a life time moment that America need to embrace.

Obama is a person that America needs to heel her wounds of Bush years and of centuries ago. He be acceptable to a good # of whites, blacks, latinos, Asians, Democrats & Republicans, Christians & non religious, LGT etc. etc. etc; 'cos he fits and is related to almost all genre. A very special person for very special time in the divided nation. Go Obama and heal the nation.


When we have a country that let's a talk show diva's support of a Presidential candidate sway an election there is the possibility that Americans (the media) is not yet willing to face the world of reality. It's no wonder George Bush types get elected. Seems like the media thinks because a candidate is cool and has rappers and disco music at their Oprahpaloozas, they deserve to get most of the positive press -not who will best be prepared. Pretty talk is just that- Who doesn't believe in hope, unity and peace? Remember, "I'm a uniter not a divider"-heard that before- from someone else who used faith and family type campaigning just as Obama has done with his church tours- and his wanting to have dinner with Jesus Christ. Having lived in a foreign country as an elementary student does not constitute international experience-no matter how the media and the campaign operatives have spun it.
As Hannah says above -the worst thing a candidate can do it to believe his own press releases-just because everyone is telling you that you are a rock star and that it is divined that "your time is now" doesn't make it so.

I hope the people of America can swing back to a world of facts- reality is a stubborn thing-it keeps saying that the problems we face are overwhelming and require no rookie mistakes- Sure it would be swell to elect someone we think reminds us of JFK (even though JFK had a purple heart, medal of honor, pulitzer prize, 2 terms in Congress and 1 in the Senate before he became President) but we need the real deal.
I believe the people of Iowa and New Hampshire understand the grave consequences of nominating the wrong candidate- I believe they will judge the candidates by their records and by their experience -not just their talking points.
Pundits and press do not elect a President- we the people do.


As desperately as I hope Obama beats her, Penn is right that Hillary is still "winning." With polls this close, it's a virtual tie and in such a case as that, it's always safer to assume that the establishment candidate will in the end remain the establishment candidate.

It's like when as a Mets fan during the Braces' 14 year division winning streak, I had to learn to accept that until the Braves lost in any given season, they would have to be considered the favorites going into any season. Too many years straight of dominance meant that no matter how good your team looked on paper before a given year, the favorites still had to be the Braves.

Hillary has been a part of winning campaigns all the way back to Bill's days running for governor in Arkansas. The Clinton machine then won the 1992 and 1996 presidential bids and the 2000 and 2006 senate bids. They're one of the most elite, powerful families in the country now. With races in a dead heat, one's safest bet is that people's conservative instincts will more likely triumph and familiarity will be chosen over novelty.

So, while I desperately hope for an Obama nomination and eventual presidency, at this point, I still think the big money bet for the nomination is Clinton.


Whenever Mark Penn issues any sort of statement, the only reasonable response is "whatever."


It's like the hare and turtle race. Just because you are ahead, doesn't mean you will win! You better keep running. Keep jogging. Keep doing what you do to stay ahead. Don't get fooled by the slow turtle. . .persistent! persistent!


Forget the Hateraid, If Hillary Clinton was your mom, and your mom stood for something, WOULD SHE GET YOUR VOTE?

Yes! SO Who do you think has your best healthcare in mind? Who do you think has your child best education in mind? So who do you think can actually have a child in this world as we know it?

Not a Republican! That's right, Not Vitter, not Craig, not Hastert, not Foley, not Tancredo, not Huckabee, not Romney, and definitely not Rudy, or John McCain.

You are better off voting for the Republican leader Jon Kyl. Mr. Azscam himself.

So Hillary Clinton should win the Presidential Democratic Nominee because at this time in American Culture, she stands for he very fabric of that.

LIFE!


Hilllary is running a campaign to be the next president. Obama is running a campaign to inspire me personally to be the best I can be and the country to be the best it can be. So who do you want leading us? The one with an ambitious personal agenda with a "wide-stance" on issues or the genuine visionary one who is capable of surrounding himself with people of good character and judgement?


Hillary is an inspiration to me. The "race" accusations to me is the media hyping up Obama. The media cannonized him after Iowa, told her to basically fold up her umbrella and go home. When she surged and won NH and NV, the media had to come up with a way to undermine her campaign so they trumped up the stuff Bill was saying and "wa-la"...the whole world is against the Clintons. Well not Me. I love them both. She is the strongest woman I know. She fights through adversity, stood by her husband through an embarrasing difficult time in both their lives, they both triumphed through that, through impeachment he found a way to get re-elected and I felt safe and secure in those 8 years and I want to feel that way again. GO HILLARY, not just because she is a woman, because she is well versed, well informed, knows our issues and the way the government works. I can't wait to call her Mrs. President.


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