Rice: No support for unconstitutional Pakistani rule

This whole situation is getting really scary. Forget about Iran, Pakistan already has nukes and Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups are widening their areas of influence in the region,
alarmingly. This latest development could turn really bad, and I'm not talking about just the price of oil.

"Ms. Rice, in a statement to reporters on her way to Turkey, said it was “quite obvious that the United States would not be supportive of extra-constitutional means” of government." NY Times Nov 3, 2007

Like the extra-constitutional means employed by Sec. Rice and her boss?

Do the UNConstitutional actions of our own government also draw your support? Pluck the beam from your own eye Kindasleezee Rice before you attempt to remove the splinter from the Pakistani's eye...before you know it, you'll be seeing King George doing the same martial law acts here...after all, he's the decider you know.

We can't stand by idly and let Musharraf undermine democracy in the Middle East.

I say we invade Lichtenstein.

This is an ally? Musharaf has been playing the US like a bad fiddle all along.

If the name of the game is democracy, Rice is going to have to hit a little harder than "But we will wait to see what the extent of all of this is".

Well as predicted Musharaff has gone headlong into martial law for saving his skin. He removed the same Chaudahary as SC Chief Justice. How come ?? He knew or came to know that SC would rule against his new presendential appointment- so he acted in time to that declare that his bonafides were correct. So pl wait for Pakistan to go into civil war punjabi muslims against pushtoon muslims to be disembered into two parts. The whole idea of salvaging Taliban was to disember India and bleed India slowly through ISI
over a nunmber of years after it found out that it cannot win a conventional war with India. Well the demon created by Pakistan has unleashed itself on Pakistan. US May intervene but given the civil war tempo unleashed it would not stop but engulf Afganiastan and even Iran and Iraq. So the saying goes why did Bush finger Iraq to be ambush Pakistan and Afganistan. We in India should stay away from the war and hope that it stops on the border and not into Kashmir.
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The US bears some responsibility for propping up this dictator. At the same time we order him to bomb his own people in the NWFP. He takes a strong stand against the Sharia to please the US. He will end up like all US puppet dictators - abandoned by the US and hated by his own people.

Can't wait for his next US book tour. Should be interesting...

Condi's lying again--we've clearly approved all this, and Bush can't stop from saying how much he loves dictators--he certainly pretends he's one himself.

Meanwhile people are saying that Condi's in Turkey to get them onboard for Iran in exchange for letting them go wild on the Kurds. Just appalling.

I thought we were safer now. After all, aren't all those bad guys in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here (or in Pakistan). Looks like our "allies" aren't gettin' it done:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PAKISTAN_MILITANTS_GAIN?SITE=DCUSN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

"Can't wait for his next US book tour. Should be interesting...

Posted by: Kenny Bunkport | November 3, 2007 7:14 PM"

Oh yeah, he charmed the pants of everyone.

Rice is a tool. Pervez Musharraf has the U.S. backing until the very end.

Then with luck we'll back the next dictator, unless of course the people rise up an install a government that will not even be remotely sympathetic to the United States. Then we we invade Lichtenstein!

How ironic and hypocritical that Rice told Musharraf that his suspending the constitution in Pakistan was "highly regrettable"....that those measures would "take Pakistan away from the path of democracy and civilian rule". Exactly. Not totally dissimilar from changes made by the unitary Cheney/chimp on warrantless wiretapping, or provisions in the "Patriot" Act, or the new and improved FISA? Highly regrettable--to trade liberty for fear.
Where was Cheney/chimp's "One Percent Doctrine" action when the pre-9/11 intel came across their desks stating that American buildings could be attacked with the use of airplanes?

Viv...is that you? Kay said you were a "damn liberal". You go girl!

Kinda funny how Dr Rice has forgotten the fact that her boss has all but suspended the constitution here in the U.S.A. Yep, she's a real patriot. The Whitehouse is becoming a house of cards. Condi is the ladder climbing queen of turds!

Wonder when John D. will check in on this here disaster.
It's prolly not so much that Bush don't want to try diplomacy he is incapable of it, and Condee proves day to day that incompetence breeds

Where, oh where is Madeline now we need her?

Vivian:

It looks like you have been taking your DailyKos prescribed pseudo-liberal stupidity pills. Nothing you wrote above makes even good nonsense.

What has happened in Pakistan is not even remotely analogous to what our Numbskull-In- Chief and his henchmen have done. Yes, Duh’bya has folded, spindled and mutilated many of the cherished protections of the Constitution. Yes, it is ironic that we are waging a war against terrorists to preserve our freedom, but have been forced to indefinitely surrender the very freedom we have supposedly waged this war to preserve.

All the same, Duh’bya hasn’t suspended the Constitution in its entirety, or substituted a provisional Constitution in its place. He hasn’t throw all Democrat congressmen, and some Republican congressmen, in jail or put them under house arrest. He hasn’t fired the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and personally re-appointed justices to fill that spot after forcing them to take a loyalty oath. He hasn’t rounded up and detained civil rights activists on the ground that they are a “threat” to law and order. He hasn’t deployed the Army or Marines on the streets, or made a naked power grab by imposing martial law. And he has never cut off all communications in and out of the capital.

But Musharraf has done all of these things, or the Pakistani equivalent thereof.

We can remedy and heal anything Duh’bya has done through the efforts of Congress and the Courts, and through our own efforts in electing better leaders. That would not be the case if Duh’bya replicated Musharraf’s brilliant stunt. If he did, we would now be witnessing an armed revolt against our own government.

Regardless of how bad it seems, you simply have no place comparing Duh’bya’s poor job to the evil that Musharraf has inflicted on his own country. This is really serious stuff. It could be the zipper that really lets everything loose in the region. Pray to God that it isn’t.

In the second place, I must seriously ask you what Duh’bya and everyone else was supposed to do with pre-9/11 intelligence that someone might fly an airplane into a building? In case you haven’t noticed, there are a lot of buildings across the length and breadth of this country. But, there was no actionable intelligence to inform them who, where, how or when such an attack would take place. Short of grounding all air traffic for the duration and, perhaps, installing anti-aircraft batteries on every building of any size, there was nothing they could do to interdict the attack. Thus, even assuming they applied the "One Percent Doctrine,” they could do nothing to avert an attack.

Thus, your rationale for blaming Duh’bya and Co. for failing to avert the 9/11 attack goes begging for reasons.

"In the second place, I must seriously ask you what Duh’bya and everyone else was supposed to do with pre-9/11 intelligence that someone might fly an airplane into a building?"

I dunno, how about alerting the FAA and NORAD about the increased chatter? Maybe it doesn't avert the disaster, but it beats the heck out of what Bush did, which was quite literally absolutely nothing. That Bush failed to prevent 9/11 does not mean 9/11 was unpreventable.

DaVe:

Stop for a moment to think about what you just wrote. You are working with perfect 20/20 hindsight in looking at the 9/11 problem, yet you have failed to articulate any measure or series of measures that would have prevented the terrorists from attacking us with any degree of certainty. And you are not alone. Even Richard Clarke, who claims he warned the Bush administration about the possibility of an attack, admits that his advise to the administration, had it been fully carried out, would not have prevented the attack. Not even the 9/11 Commission suggests the attack would have been stopped by the steps it suggests should have been taken.

As such, I must totally disagree with you that 9/11 was unpreventable. It was not reasonably preventable because the information available did not provide a basis for taking any effective action to stop it. Furthermore, neither you, nor Clarke, nor the 9/11 commission, nor anyone else has ever suggested how the systemic security flaws and foreign policy failures – which actually caused the attack - could have been reversed in time to make any difference. You should have stopped with, “I dunno.”

Please stop and consider the possibility that the people whose opinions you favor haven’t properly or fully thought out what they feed you. Better yet, consider the possibility that it would be better for you to think this stuff through by yourself and then come up with your own conclusions. You can do it. After all, Democrats are smarter than everyone else, aren’t they?

Hello John W-
I do not read DailyKos. I do read three other blogs, read papers, discuss with others, and watch news for myself. I don't think that one person, or one blog can corner the market on the obvious.

Hello dt-
Don't know any Kay. Also, I'm actually a moderate Dem. who is calling BS on the Cheney/Bush lies, the waste--so much lost to waste--the deaths, and the erosion of much that was America. I believe it is BushCo that is radical, and BushCo wants, and has torn down this nation. Bush might as well be Khrushchev wanting to crush us under his heel at the UN--Krush. also, interestingly, said that "your own working class will bury you."

There is a connection btwn nations where liberty has been taken away. It is called loss of democracy--with more dictatorship. We have lost many liberties in America. Cheney/Bush have used 9/11 to the hilt. If the strange event of 9/11 did not happen--would Bush know how, or want to be president during peace? Not much oversight in "war" time.